Personal responsibility & health - Page 2

Young Drachma · 12-17-2016, 01:49 PM

It's criminal to live in a country that's so rich yet full of survival of the fittest types who probably wouldn't be here if their ancestors hadn't benefitted from all of the largess of the World War II socialism this country implemented or open borders for Europeans or whatever.

But yeah, let's moralize people who are too poor to compete. Easy to have the high road when you can afford it. If we had better health care programs for people who actually work, you'd probably have more folks contributing, more kids able to be healthy enough to not get people sick in school and perhaps beyond.

But yeah, let's horde those pennies. Our government does a lot wrong in our name, but blaming people just as subject to those whims as we are seems wrongheaded and yet...we know how we got the bed we're laying in now just reading some of the ppl in this thread.

Kodos · 12-17-2016, 06:49 PM

I hope I wasn't one of the ones seen as moralizing to the poor. At least in my mind, I was talking more about people who should know better and who have the means and opportunity to take better care of themselves, but who choose not to for whatever reason (think Jon). Whether I managed to convey that, I don't know. Probably not I'm guessing. I realize that poor people in general don't have much if any exposure to information about healthier lifestyle choices.

I do think we should go to a single-payer system where everyone is insured and the profit motive is removed as much as possible from the insurance/healthcare system. Today we have drug companies ratcheting up the costs on medicines that people rely on. Profits are put ahead of actually taking care of people. Congress or whoever should work to curtail that kind of behavior by pharmaceutical companies.

I do think that people should be rewarded for good behaviors such as exercising more or eating less junk food. Maybe in the form of lowered health insurance rates or tax incentives if your blood tests hits certain marks. I don't know. Maybe we should tax junk food/soda more and put that tax in a fund used for healthcare expenses for the uninsured. At the same time, we need to make healthier foods cheaper and work harder to get healthy lifestyle info to poorer communities. Instead of subsidizing corn, maybe we should subsidize fruits, vegetables, grains, beans, leaner meats, etc. I know I'm suspected of trying to make everyone vegan. I realize that won't happen, but I do think people cutting back on meat some and replacing it with foods like vegetables, grains, beans, or potatoes would help. Meatless Mondays or something like that could be a step in the right direction. Like I said, I'm not actually a vegan, but I've shifted my diet significantly in that direction. It doesn't have to be all or nothing. My transformation from a meat and potatoes and soda guy to a potatoes and veggies guy happened over a period of years. I'm still not where I eventually hope to be.

Anyhow, hopefully I've clarified some of my thoughts better. In general, the theme was supposed to be people who know better should take a more active role in taking care of themselves so our society in general would be healthier and healthcare would be cheaper. But things kinda got off the rails.

Butter · 12-17-2016, 07:05 PM

Speaking only for myself, the only diet that I have been able to stick with long term is the Atkins diet... All meat and protein, no carbs. Basically the opposite of Vegan.

Kodos · 12-17-2016, 07:17 PM

I tried Atkins back in the 90s at some point. Got sick of it real quick. These days, I don't think of how I eat as a diet. It's more of a lifestyle change.

CU Tiger · 12-17-2016, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

I tried Atkins back in the 90s at some point. Got sick of it real quick. These days, I don't think of how I eat as a diet. It's more of a lifestyle change.

Ditto, but the opposite.

I just finished eating anow 18 Oz steak , and 2 cuts of cheddar cheese.

I did splurge and drink a beer with it. All told about 1000 calories.
I'm down over 60 lbs this year. Ive done 3 triathlons.
Diabetes runs in my family on both sides though, my a1c and blood glucose levels are perfect as of 12/1. My cholesterol is great, all in spec. My rating heart rate is 52.

I'm still overweight and obese by bmi.

Yet I can do 100 pull ups non stop, run a 10 k, hexl bar dead lift 3 times my hefty (240 lb) weight.

Id say I'm not your enemy for Healthcare costs.

Yet I can't tell you the last time I atell ANYTHING in your diet.

Radii · 12-17-2016, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter

Speaking only for myself, the only diet that I have been able to stick with long term is the Atkins diet... All meat and protein, no carbs. Basically the opposite of Vegan.

Describing it as "all meat and protein" worries me slightly and is the biggest misconception about keto and other types of low carb lifestyles. Its not low carb high protein. Its low carb high fat (LCHF is the main acronym for all of these types of diets). If I want to eat 1800 calories a day in a healthy way, I would eat the same amount of protein no matter what way of eating I choose. If I eat low carb, I am replacing carbs with fats. I want my protein intake to stay the same. When people freak out about organ damage from Atkins, its because they think you're just eating 400g of protein a day all of a sudden. That's incorrect.

Of course, "high fat" freaks people out too. To that I say /shurg and point at my bloodwork when I've been on keto for a decent period of time.

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Originally Posted by Kodos

I tried Atkins back in the 90s at some point. Got sick of it real quick. These days, I don't think of how I eat as a diet. It's more of a lifestyle change.

Low carb is a lifestyle change too. Or it should. If you want to try to lose weight eating 20g of carbs but then go back to an old way of eating, you will gain all the weight back. Now, if you were eating 300g of carbs (even "healthy" ones), and you drop to 20g of carbs (keto/atkins induction) to lose weight and then eventually settle into a lifetime way of eating at around 80-100g carbs, then you've made a lifestyle change and that will work for many! But a bunch of people just choose to stay at that 20g carb limit forever.

If you're thinking of keto/atkins and don't view it as a lifestyle change, don't try it. It'll fail.

dawgfan · 12-19-2016, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

I realize that poor people in general don't have much if any exposure to information about healthier lifestyle choices.

I suspect plenty of poorer folks know all about healthier lifestyle choices, but simply can't afford them.

12-17-2016, 06:49 PM	#52
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	I hope I wasn't one of the ones seen as moralizing to the poor. At least in my mind, I was talking more about people who should know better and who have the means and opportunity to take better care of themselves, but who choose not to for whatever reason (think Jon). Whether I managed to convey that, I don't know. Probably not I'm guessing. I realize that poor people in general don't have much if any exposure to information about healthier lifestyle choices. I do think we should go to a single-payer system where everyone is insured and the profit motive is removed as much as possible from the insurance/healthcare system. Today we have drug companies ratcheting up the costs on medicines that people rely on. Profits are put ahead of actually taking care of people. Congress or whoever should work to curtail that kind of behavior by pharmaceutical companies. I do think that people should be rewarded for good behaviors such as exercising more or eating less junk food. Maybe in the form of lowered health insurance rates or tax incentives if your blood tests hits certain marks. I don't know. Maybe we should tax junk food/soda more and put that tax in a fund used for healthcare expenses for the uninsured. At the same time, we need to make healthier foods cheaper and work harder to get healthy lifestyle info to poorer communities. Instead of subsidizing corn, maybe we should subsidize fruits, vegetables, grains, beans, leaner meats, etc. I know I'm suspected of trying to make everyone vegan. I realize that won't happen, but I do think people cutting back on meat some and replacing it with foods like vegetables, grains, beans, or potatoes would help. Meatless Mondays or something like that could be a step in the right direction. Like I said, I'm not actually a vegan, but I've shifted my diet significantly in that direction. It doesn't have to be all or nothing. My transformation from a meat and potatoes and soda guy to a potatoes and veggies guy happened over a period of years. I'm still not where I eventually hope to be. Anyhow, hopefully I've clarified some of my thoughts better. In general, the theme was supposed to be people who know better should take a more active role in taking care of themselves so our society in general would be healthier and healthcare would be cheaper. But things kinda got off the rails. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties. Last edited by Kodos : 12-17-2016 at 06:52 PM.

12-17-2016, 07:05 PM	#53
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	Speaking only for myself, the only diet that I have been able to stick with long term is the Atkins diet... All meat and protein, no carbs. Basically the opposite of Vegan. __________________ My listening habits

12-17-2016, 07:17 PM	#54
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	I tried Atkins back in the 90s at some point. Got sick of it real quick. These days, I don't think of how I eat as a diet. It's more of a lifestyle change. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

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