College Football Week 5 discussion

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by Matthean

Michigan now has 102 total yards. Yup. They have gone backwards 12 yards since my last post.

I wonder if Brady Hoke survives the week at this point...

[NobodyHere]

I'm not well versed in college football.

But which head coach does Michigan try to grab in the offseason?

[tarcone]

Arkansas and Texas A&M looks like it will be an exciting finish. aTm just scored on an 87 yard TD pass to get with in one TD.

[Matthean]

Morris starts the series but Gardner finishes it. 3 for 3 passing and 23 yards rushing, and they get the TD. Remember, Morris had shown nothing to warrant the start and had put up even worse numbers than Gardner. Morris is done with 7 of 19 passing for 49 yards and a INT.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

I'm not well versed in college football.

But which head coach does Michigan try to grab in the offseason?

Jim Harbaugh is going to get massive amounts of ink written about him even though I don't think that's an easy pick in a number of ways. Outside of that? No clue, but it can't be a Michigan man at this point unless it is him.

[tarcone]

Mathean, I was thinking about this. How do you take anything your co-worker says seriously, after saying Purdue is a good team? I think that sort of statement would render anything else the person said invalid.

[tarcone]

You know who would be AWESOME at Michigan? Kirk Ferentz. Kirk Ferentz would bring that program back. And he would be just what the doctor ordered. None of this spread offense baloney. None of this running QB crud. Nope. 3 yards and a cloud of dust. Harken back to the days of Bo.

What a great hire by Michigan that would be. Please.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Mathean, I was thinking about this. How do you take anything your co-worker says seriously, after saying Purdue is a good team? I think that sort of statement would render anything else the person said invalid.

I don't take him seriously. There's numerous so called fans that say asinine stuff like that. I know he had said other ignorant stuff before. I knew talking about football in the breakroom is often a fruitless endeavor. It just happens when you live next to MSU. And yes, MSU fans have slowly become more and more unbearable to where I limit football talk with them or just say I'm a 'Bama since my Dad raised me on it. It tends to limit them to just hating on Saban.

[tarcone]

I hope Bret Bielema is Iowa's next football coach.

[Lathum]

Despise the fake punt call from Peterson.

[cartman]

Jerruh might announce the demolition of Jerry's World.

[Lathum]

Disappointing result for the Huskies. Chris Peterson better realize he isn't at Boise St anymore. He doesn't need to call trick play to win. Just let your athletes take care of business.

Disgusted at the playcalling there.

[Karlifornia]

Geez....Stanford lucky to get out of there. Nearly another USC'ish meltdown. Hats off to the Dawgs.

[cartman]

The offensive line is going to be what determines Texas' success this season. I'm not sure they are going to be able to score enough points the next couple of games to keep up with Baylor and Oklahoma.

[bronconick]

Originally Posted by BillJasper

I wonder if Brady Hoke survives the week at this point...

Hoke should be fired for that shit he pulled on Morris, putting him back on the field with a concussion.

[tarcone]

He put the QB back in with a concussion? In this day and age? Wow, Hoke is desperate.

[Matthean]

Let's just say you don't do a drinking game based on Hoke saying "we've got to get better" or "disappointed" during his post game interview. He has to know the writing is on the wall at this point.

[cuervo72]

WTF, did the ESPN crew (Davis, mostly) just say that the South Carolina D was good, they just haven't been yet statistically because of the "types of offenses" they've played? I thought the hallmark of a good defense was that they still played well against good offenses, not that they were able to shut down scrubs but allowed yards and points against better teams. Crikey.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by tarcone

He put the QB back in with a concussion? In this day and age? Wow, Hoke is desperate.

I really doubt Home knew he had a concussion... Or even who his QB is.

UMass QB ended up with 569 yards in the loss... Take away the game-ending fumble and I'm sure he would've upped it to 631. Zero defense by either team today (vs Bowling Green).

[BishopMVP]

Dola... These Syracuse gradient jerseys are ugly. Might work if White was the dominant color, but not with Grey.

[tarcone]

Dave Wannstedt looks like a giant. He is freakishly big. When those announcers are standing next to him he looks like Andre the Giant.

[JPhillips]

Ohio State ran 101 plays against Cincy.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Obviously a monstrous win for Mizzou at South Carolina. Any Indiana fans who happened to watch the game got to see how different the Mizzou defense is when their best player is in the lineup (Golden). The defense looks worlds better when at full strength.

Crazy as it sounds, Mizzou's next game against Georgia could decide the SEC East in a big hurry. If Mizzou can win, both Georgia and South Carolina would have two losses and both have lost to Mizzou, putting both of them essentially three games behind Mizzou in the standings. Georgia faces a must win in two weeks in Columbia to keep the SEC East interesting.

[Lathum]

Just woke up. Still pissed about that fake punt. Horrible call.

[Julio Riddols]

Did anyone see Chris Moore's stat line in the Cinci game? Was checking up on that mama's boy Gunner Kiel and noticed this: 3 catches, 221 yards, 3 TD's. Decent average there.

[Kodos]

Wow, I guess it's back down to earth for IU. Yay.

[tarcone]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Obviously a monstrous win for Mizzou at South Carolina. Any Indiana fans who happened to watch the game got to see how different the Mizzou defense is when their best player is in the lineup (Golden). The defense looks worlds better when at full strength.

Crazy as it sounds, Mizzou's next game against Georgia could decide the SEC East in a big hurry. If Mizzou can win, both Georgia and South Carolina would have two losses and both have lost to Mizzou, putting both of them essentially three games behind Mizzou in the standings. Georgia faces a must win in two weeks in Columbia to keep the SEC East interesting.

It was Indiana at home. If one player makes Mizzou, then Georgia needs to target that guy and get him out of the game.

[murrayyyyy]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Iowa beats Purdue 24-10. Our B1G championship hopes are still alive.

My over 8.5 wins ticket is still alive {somehow}

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by tarcone

It was Indiana at home. If one player makes Mizzou, then Georgia needs to target that guy and get him out of the game.

I would have to agree with this.

Great win vs Carolina though!!!

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by tarcone

It was Indiana at home. If one player makes Mizzou, then Georgia needs to target that guy and get him out of the game.

It's Mizzou's best player on either side of the ball.

Your second statement is correct. I wouldn't put it past Richt.

[bob]

What's the value in firing a coach midyear? Outside of scandal or wildly negligent actions (and maybe the qb situation was one), I don't see why a team really would do that. Maybe if the team has totally given up on the coach, but then I'd question the value of the players at that point too.

Supposedly they have to pay him $3 million more if fired before Jan 1 (no sure if true), but if so, don't get why Michigan would fire Hoke now given that the season is screwed either way.

Anyway, Charlie Weis was just fired at Kansas. Wonder how bad they would have been without his schematic advantage.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by bob

What's the value in firing a coach midyear? Outside of scandal or wildly negligent actions (and maybe the qb situation was one), I don't see why a team really would do that. Maybe if the team has totally given up on the coach, but then I'd question the value of the players at that point too.

Really only 2 good reasons, imho.
1- You have someone on staff you think might be the next HC and you give him a trial period to see how he handles it without any risk.
2- You know who you want and he shares an agent with the current HC. You can begin negotiating before everyone else.

[bob]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Really only 2 good reasons, imho.
1- You have someone on staff you think might be the next HC and you give him a trial period to see how he handles it without any risk.
2- You know who you want and he shares an agent with the current HC. You can begin negotiating before everyone else.

Ok, I guess that makes sense. #1 was the Dabo situation, right?

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

It's Mizzou's best player on either side of the ball.

Your second statement is correct. I wouldn't put it past Richt.

If Mizzou is one player away from being beaten by Indiana at home, then that's all I need to know for how good Mizzou is.

[Suicane75]

Then South Carolina must stink. Then Georgia must stink. Maryland for the Final Four!!

[Matthean]

I don't think the SEC East is all that good this year. I would be very surprised if the champ came from the East.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Suicane75

Then South Carolina must stink. Then Georgia must stink. Maryland for the Final Four!!

Seven Degrees of Turtle

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by Matthean

I don't think the SEC East is all that good this year. I would be very surprised if the champ came from the East.

Nah, entire SEC is SUPERGOOD. THEY BEAT EACH OTHER SO IT MUST BE.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by Suicane75

Then South Carolina must stink. Then Georgia must stink. Maryland for the Final Four!!

Stink or deeply flawed? That's how I view all three of those teams. On their best day, I think all three of those teams can beat close to anyone in the country. On their worst, they'll struggle against below average competition.

I've watched Missouri three times this year now.

1) Toledo - They looked good, but Toledo seemed hell bent on screwing up repeatedly. 2 turnovers, 9 penalties and I lost count of how many mental mistakes in the first quarter. Mizzou clubbed them good, but I didn't come away going "oooooo, dominance"

2) Indiana - Just do us all a favor and stop with the "see what happens when our best defensive player plays crap" The defensive player didn't cause Missouri to go 5-14 on third downs against a bad team. Beyond that, as others have said, if Mizzou is that reliant on one player, you are screwed. Golden is a stud, but that was Indiana you were playing, not Alabama.

3) South Carolina - All the credit in the world to Mizzou here. They stuck with it and did not give up despite playing like a pre school team. The QB was beyond terrible for 3.5 quarters Through all of it, South Carolina continued making fatal mistakes themselves. They didn't put Missouri away. The dropped pass by the TE for an easy TD was the killer blow.

So what do I see overall? A good football team who is very well coached. A team you have to put away when you have the chance. A team that lucked into a dream schedule in the SEC. The QB is below average. the running game is slightly above average. the defense is good. I see a team that if everything breaks right, loses only one more and could get to the SEC title game. More likely, I see a team who will lose 2 out of 3 in the Georgia, A&M and Arkansas games.

[Solecismic]

Returning from a 500-mile drive at 6:00 this morning (from a place that doesn't even have cell reception, let alone a television) to the stories and accounts of Michigan's rather humiliating adventures in hosting the Golden Gophers... all I have in mind is the little balloon filled with gibberish that appears over Charlie Brown's head as he lies on the ground after Lucy pulls the football away once again.

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by TroyF

Stink or deeply flawed? That's how I view all three of those teams. On their best day, I think all three of those teams can beat close to anyone in the country. On their worst, they'll struggle against below average competition.

I've watched Missouri three times this year now.

1) Toledo - They looked good, but Toledo seemed hell bent on screwing up repeatedly. 2 turnovers, 9 penalties and I lost count of how many mental mistakes in the first quarter. Mizzou clubbed them good, but I didn't come away going "oooooo, dominance"

2) Indiana - Just do us all a favor and stop with the "see what happens when our best defensive player plays crap" The defensive player didn't cause Missouri to go 5-14 on third downs against a bad team. Beyond that, as others have said, if Mizzou is that reliant on one player, you are screwed. Golden is a stud, but that was Indiana you were playing, not Alabama.

3) South Carolina - All the credit in the world to Mizzou here. They stuck with it and did not give up despite playing like a pre school team. The QB was beyond terrible for 3.5 quarters Through all of it, South Carolina continued making fatal mistakes themselves. They didn't put Missouri away. The dropped pass by the TE for an easy TD was the killer blow.

So what do I see overall? A good football team who is very well coached. A team you have to put away when you have the chance. A team that lucked into a dream schedule in the SEC. The QB is below average. the running game is slightly above average. the defense is good. I see a team that if everything breaks right, loses only one more and could get to the SEC title game. More likely, I see a team who will lose 2 out of 3 in the Georgia, A&M and Arkansas games.

Agree with most of this.. but Maty Mauk a below average QB? He was missing one of his best WR's vs SC and DGB being gone isn't helping either. Not to mention we don't really have any TE's.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Agree with most of this.. but Maty Mauk a below average QB? He was missing one of his best WR's vs SC and DGB being gone isn't helping either. Not to mention we don't really have any TE's.

Perhaps you missed his speech. Missing players don't mean anything.

I'd be shocked if Mizzou didn't go 2-1 against Georgia, A&M, and Arkansas. Georgia and Arkansas at home and A&M hasn't fared well against Mizzou of late in College Station.

[bronconick]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

Nah, entire SEC is SUPERGOOD. THEY BEAT EACH OTHER SO IT MUST BE.

Worked last year. Georgia and Florida kept losing and kept creeping back into the rankings. At least Florida finally died in November

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Perhaps you missed his speech. Missing players don't mean anything.

I'd be shocked if Mizzou didn't go 2-1 against Georgia, A&M, and Arkansas. Georgia and Arkansas at home and A&M hasn't fared well against Mizzou of late in College Station.

No, I didn't say that Mizzou. I stated, quite clearly, that Indiana isn't Alabama. You should beat them despite missing one player. Look, do you want me to list every NCAA programs injuries, every NFL teams injuries and go over their big injuries?

Look, this is football B-ball fan. Last season, when I had the audacity to say the Chiefs were way overrated, some of that was due to the fact that they were healthy to an unbelievable degree. Turned out they were the healthiest team in the NFL. The Broncos lost a Pro Bowl tackle, a pro bowl outside linebacker, a starting safety, a nickle back, and a starting defensive end by Week 13 last year. We won't even start on the Patriots.

You LOSE players in this game. It's an expectation, not a maybe thing. If you can't withstand the loss of one player to beat Indiana at home, it means you aren't that good.

FYI: I don't believe the Tigers lost that game because the DE was out. I think they lost it just like any other upset happens in football. A little bit of an overlook, a flat performance fro a bunch of 19-21 year olds (shock of all shocks) and a good game from the other team.

The QB made some good throws when he needed to at the end. Overall, it was a massive amount of misreads and inaccurate throws.

As for the predictions, we'll see. You do get bye weeks before Georgia and A&M, so that should help. I actually think all three of those teams are better than Mizzou. We'll see how it plays out. I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I can live with that.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Perhaps you missed his speech. Missing players don't mean anything.

I'd be shocked if Mizzou didn't go 2-1 against Georgia, A&M, and Arkansas. Georgia and Arkansas at home and A&M hasn't fared well against Mizzou of late in College Station.

I wouldn't be entirely shocked if they went anywhere from 3-0 to 0-3 in those games. It's pretty much that wide open in the East right now afaic.

The Georgia game is very winnable (or losable), a split is certain reasonable to see coming from the two games vs the West.

[TroyF]

Moving away from Mizzou, thank God next week we actually have some interesting games. This year has been horrible for big games IMHO.

Next week we get:

Bama @ Miss
OU @ TCU
LSU @ Auburn
A&M @ Miss St.
Stanford @ Notre Dame
Nebraska @ Michigan St


I'm even looking forward to some of the games like Arizona @ Oregon and Baylor @ Texas.

About freaking time there was an actual big weekend.

[cuervo72]

College football is basically three months long, and 1/3 of that is akin to preseason.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I wouldn't be entirely shocked if they went anywhere from 3-0 to 0-3 in those games. It's pretty much that wide open in the East right now afaic.

The Georgia game is very winnable (or losable), a split is certain reasonable to see coming from the two games vs the West.

I agree from 3-0 to 1-2. I think A&M is vastly overrated every year the past several years and eventually plays out to their final record with 8 or 9 wins. (Plus this is one of those teams whose number Mizzou has for some reason the past several years. They have won 3 of the last 4 in College Station and 4 of 5 overall) Solid team but not top 10. The fact that Arkansas played them close and hasn't won an SEC game in several years doesn't all of a sudden make them good. Not as shitty as they have been but will likely finish 1-7, 0-8 in the SEC. Georgia is at home but that is the one I think is the most likely loss.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by TroyF

Moving away from Mizzou, thank God next week we actually have some interesting games. This year has been horrible for big games IMHO.

Next week we get:

Bama @ Miss
OU @ TCU
LSU @ Auburn
A&M @ Miss St.
Stanford @ Notre Dame
Nebraska @ Michigan St


I'm even looking forward to some of the games like Arizona @ Oregon and Baylor @ Texas.

About freaking time there was an actual big weekend.

Maybe bigger names but I see blowout, blowout, good game, decent game, blowout, blowout, blowout, blowout.

[MrBug708]

Who you got winning the Notre Dame- stanford game?