NFL Week 5 Thread

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Pittsburgh Power?

I've always called him a Roethlisburger clone. At least from a size and usability standpoint.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Mike D

Is anybody getting any rumors on who Josh Freeman is talking to? I'm not seeing anything.

I know Buffalo wanted to talk to him.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by Mike D

Is anybody getting any rumors on who Josh Freeman is talking to? I'm not seeing anything.

Freeman tells Glazer a decision is coming tonight | ProFootballTalk

[Dutch]

Thanks Radii. I hope he goes to the Vikings. At least he has a chance for success there. The Raiders seems like a disastrous choice despite it's availability.

[SirFozzie]

Mna, this is a shitty bunch of 1:00 games so far.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by Mike D

Here's the latest on Josh from one of our top Bucs beat writers. Not on where he's going but why the Bucs parted ways with him.

Bucs Beat: Freeman to blame for ugly saga

Nice to be reminded the Red Sox aren't the only team that leaks all the dirt they have on players/managers on their way out the door, and the Boston Globe isn't the only media outlet that will gladly let itself be used as a management mouthpiece. Contrast that to a team like the Patriots who spun off Seymour and Moss for picks partially because they didn't run those players through the mud before getting rid of them.

[EagleFan]

Wow, what was the ref looking at on that replay? As an Eagles fan I even know that was a bad call. They must have been focusing on the feet and not the ball.

[bulletsponge]

i want to watch the cin/ne game, but i cant stand dan dierdorf

[TroyF]

Two weeks in a row, I've watched Seattle hit a QB in the head on a critical play and not have it called. Luck back to pass, his head his hit before he loses the ball and no call. Last week, they drilled Schaub helmet to helmet on a third down play that wasn't called.

I'm really starting to feel like these are the Denver Broncos the year Jake Plummer led them. Good defense, good offense, but a ton of breaks that you cannot count on come playoff time. (the Broncos got the breaks against the Pats and then were destroyed by Pittsburgh)

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Nice to be reminded the Red Sox aren't the only team that leaks all the dirt they have on players/managers on their way out the door, and the Boston Globe isn't the only media outlet that will gladly let itself be used as a management mouthpiece. Contrast that to a team like the Patriots who spun off Seymour and Moss for picks partially because they didn't run those players through the mud before getting rid of them.

We didn't run Aqib Talib or Lagarrette Blount through the mud before trading them.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Apparently if either Calvin Johnson or Reggie Bush are out, the Lions offense is incapable of doing anything.

[Coffee Warlord]

Lance Briggs with the boneheaded play of the week, actually jumping offsides on a 4th and 1 on a play everyone in the stadium knew was never gonna be run.

[Danny]

So apparently without megatron Detroit is 3 point team

[SackAttack]

Yeah. Green Bay's defense is not this good. The absence of Calvin Johnson is a killer.

...now I wish I'd gotten up early enough to see if I could get a cheap ticket to the game from one of the scalpers.

[Jas_lov]

Once James Jones breaks the plane of the goal line it's a TD. What a terrible call. Now you can't even break the plane and get a TD, you have to complete the process. That whole rule is a joke.

[ISiddiqui]

Seems like the weather gods really wanted the Patriots to lose today. WOW.

[EagleFan]

Brady with a duck to end the game.

[Desnudo]

I wonder if Brady's arm or shoulder is injured. Lots of ducks.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by Jas_lov

Once James Jones breaks the plane of the goal line it's a TD. What a terrible call. Now you can't even break the plane and get a TD, you have to complete the process. That whole rule is a joke.

I hate that the rule is different for receivers vs runners when it comes to what's a touchdown.

[LoneStarGirl]

Bad call on the late hit in the Titans game.

[Julio Riddols]

Big giant rebound win for the Bengals this week. One of my happier days as a Bengals fan.

[EagleFan]

Awesome pick by Boykin.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Apparently if either Calvin Johnson or Reggie Bush are out, the Lions offense is incapable of doing anything.

Need to add in Burleson is there as well. Lions aren't good enough to counter not having their top two WRs when playing in Green Bay.

[Matthean]

Maybe the Giants can suck enough to get Clowney because that defense needs some serious help.

[Danny]

Things real ugly in ny

[Matthean]

Up by only three, Colts decide to finish off a drive with all runs even with a 3rd and 9 while being in FG range. They get the FG, but Seattle has 1:55 to score a TD. I would have gone for a TD if I were the Colts.

[Matthean]

Colts have now beaten the 49ers and Seahawks.

[cuervo72]

More weirdness from DTV - put on the end of the Chiefs/Titans game, and they switched to DEN/DAL.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

I hate that the rule is different for receivers vs runners when it comes to what's a touchdown.

It's not a different rule, it's about establishing possession. A receiver hasn't established it yet while a RB has as he approaches the goal line.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Logan

It's not a different rule, it's about establishing possession. A receiver hasn't established it yet while a RB has as he approaches the goal line.

Yep I agree

[Lathum]

sigh

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by Mike D

We didn't run Aqib Talib or Lagarrette Blount through the mud before trading them.

Sure seems like we bought low on Talib, but all that stuff (arrests/suspension) was public, so not much the Bucs could do there.

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Seems like the weather gods really wanted the Patriots to lose today. WOW.

Originally Posted by Desnudo

I wonder if Brady's arm or shoulder is injured. Lots of ducks.

I didn't see the first half, so I'd put most of it down to the monsoon and not having a great grip.

Bengals really figured out our offense's weakness. A D-Line/front 7 that gets pressure, and driving rain. I do question Belichick a little for not going for it on 4th and goal from the 2, but our short-yardage attempts have been brutal this year, and a 40+ yard FG at the end wouldn't have been easy either with that rain. (I also question whether we should have gone for it on 4th and 15 just before our last punt - when you're at the point when even 1 first down for the other team wins the game, the field position doesn't really matter.) At least the Dolphins lost late, so still in 1st place.

[larrymcg421]

The Dolphins really need to work on their pass protection. Tannehill is getting abused this season.

[Jas_lov]

Originally Posted by Logan

It's not a different rule, it's about establishing possession. A receiver hasn't established it yet while a RB has as he approaches the goal line.

Jones had possession and came down with one foot in bounds then crossed the plane of the goal line and his second foot came down OOB but he had already crossed the plane. Jones has established possession and crossed the plane of the goal line. That should be a TD, period.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Jas_lov

Jones had possession and came down with one foot in bounds then crossed the plane of the goal line and his second foot came down OOB but he had already crossed the plane. Jones has established possession and crossed the plane of the goal line. That should be a TD, period.

It's not college, you need two feet in.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by Jas_lov

Jones had possession and came down with one foot in bounds then crossed the plane of the goal line and his second foot came down OOB but he had already crossed the plane. Jones has established possession and crossed the plane of the goal line. That should be a TD, period.

Ummm, no. A receiver is not ruled in possession until both feet come down in bounds and possession is made through the catch.

Now, I'm as pissed as anyone at how they rule the second part of that. It's different depending on the game you watch. As for feet? It's a really simply rule. 2 feet down or it isn't a catch. It's that simple and it really has to be that way. You can't have a rule that it's one foot down on the one yard line and 2 feet down everywhere else.

[Matthean]

If Clowney wants to make a case for sitting against a lesser opponent, all he needs to do is point to the Georgia/Tenn. game.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by Jas_lov

Jones had possession and came down with one foot in bounds then crossed the plane of the goal line and his second foot came down OOB but he had already crossed the plane.

Wait what? That's not controversial, or up for debate. What you just described is never, ever a touchdown in the NFL.

[TroyF]

Denver simply cannot let their outside rushers lose contain. Everytime they do, these things happen:

1) Witten gets open
2) The interior Dallas lineman start holding and there are no flags. (before you think I'm bitching about the reffing, I'll wait and see how it is called on Denver. If they allow holding, I'm fairly confident it will benefit the Broncos more than the Cowboys)
3) Romo has time and hits the open Witten.

They are creating a ton of pressure, even without Miller. The way the game is being called, they can't allow him to break contain. As usual, I believe they'll solve this at halftime. The question is if the Broncos offense can keep up with this.

[TroyF]

The play right there is what they have to do. Keep him contained, deal with the holding (watch #68 on that replay, it's comical) and don't let Romo beat you outside the pocket. Much better defense on those last three plays.

[Solecismic]

The Freeman situation is fascinating. I added an entry to my blog last night, but the apparent interest from Minnesota is a surprise.

The bottom line is that absent blame for personal conduct from the Schiano situation, he's someone who would get attention as a potential starter. He has the tools, and he has the experience.

Having lived in the Boston area when the team/media absolutely destroyed Nomar Garciaparra's reputation during his 2004 trading-deadline exit (the subsequent wild-card-to-first-title-in-almost-100-years story line affirmed it forever in Red Sox Nation), I am sensitive to this type of hit job.

If Freeman is a hard worker and he succeeds with a new opportunity, I hope Schiano never gets another chance in the NFL.

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

I wonder if Brady's arm or shoulder is injured. Lots of ducks.

He just hasn't been as accurate the last couple of seasons, and when you combine it with receivers still learning to catch (what was the stat they showed, second most drops in the NFL this season?) you have an offense that has trouble at times.

But especially in a monsoon. That really felt like the Football Gods getting even with them for something...

[Radii]

I hope there are no NFL fans out there who are stuck watching Arizona/Carolina with no access to the Denver/Dallas game. Without the Giants to play against, Carolina is back to their standard 6-3 halftime score.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

The Freeman situation is fascinating. I added an entry to my blog last night, but the apparent interest from Minnesota is a surprise.

The bottom line is that absent blame for personal conduct from the Schiano situation, he's somweone who would get attention as a potential starter. He has the tools, and he has the experience.

Having lived in the Boston area when the team/media absolutely destroyed Nomar Garciaparra's reputation during his 2004 trading-deadline exit (the subsequent wild-card-to-first-title-in-almost-100-years story line affirmed it forever in Red Sox Nation), I am sensitive to this type of hit job.

If Freeman is a hard worker and he succeeds with a new opportunity, I hope Schiano never gets another chance in the NFL.

I agree. I never liked Freeman. Didn't think he would be a good starter in this league. He has a good year and a half and I was still not sold, but I was anxious to see how he would do. When he

Then he struggled last year and early this year, I really didn't have to be sold that he was a bad NFL QB.

After they bench him, the dirt starts flying. Leaked drug problems? Leaked chemistry issues? Leaked disciplinary problems? Demotion to #3 QB? This wasn't a benching, it was a PR campaign. And for that i have to ask why? I mean, why do you try the kid? The only two explanations that make a lot of sense are:

1) The coach hates his guts and it's personal.
2) The coach is trying to use the kid to save his job.

Neither puts SchiaIo in a good light. I still don't think Freeman is that good. . . but if he's better than he looked the last couple of years, I'll cheer for him. Like you, I'll hope the coach never coaches another NFL game.

[Thomkal]

Cardinals-Panthers definitely not a thing of beauty-Palmer keeps throwing INT's after good drives and/or 3 and out with a sack. Panthers have done better offensively-but Cards defense comes up big with a sack or a Patrick Peterson INT, leading to a battle of FG's and frustration for both teams-Panthers lead 6-3 at the half.

Please beloved Cardinals, do not resign Carson Palmer after the season, please.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Radii

I hope there are no NFL fans out there who are stuck watching Arizona/Carolina with no access to the Denver/Dallas game. Without the Giants to play against, Carolina is back to their standard 6-3 halftime score.

Pretty damn awful isn't it?

[rowech]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

He just hasn't been as accurate the last couple of seasons, and when you combine it with receivers still learning to catch (what was the stat they showed, second most drops in the NFL this season?) you have an offense that has trouble at times.

But especially in a monsoon. That really felt like the Football Gods getting even with them for something...

It was really only a monsoon at the end.

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

The Freeman situation is fascinating. I added an entry to my blog last night, but the apparent interest from Minnesota is a surprise.

The bottom line is that absent blame for personal conduct from the Schiano situation, he's someone who would get attention as a potential starter. He has the tools, and he has the experience.

Having lived in the Boston area when the team/media absolutely destroyed Nomar Garciaparra's reputation during his 2004 trading-deadline exit (the subsequent wild-card-to-first-title-in-almost-100-years story line affirmed it forever in Red Sox Nation), I am sensitive to this type of hit job.

If Freeman is a hard worker and he succeeds with a new opportunity, I hope Schiano never gets another chance in the NFL.

Obviously in the end we really only care about the players, but...

I know the Bucs had an offer on the table for Carson Palmer this off-season but were beat out in the 11th hour by AZ. So despite Freeman throwing for 4,000 yards and 27 TDs last season...something was up.

It's possible that Schiano is just a dick. He isn't very well liked even in Tampa. But it's also possible that Freeman really is having some issues.

Ultimately you are right though, if Freeman does well THIS year and Schiano doesn't turn things around, the owners are going to get rid of Dominik (GM) and Schiano within hours of the final game.

The PR hit the Bucs are taking right now is devastating. The owners had just bought up the rest of the tickets to ensure the games weren't blacked out and you know they are pissed at how this year has started.

It was Schiano's only play...he may not have lost the team (yet), but he obviously lost the QB. Whether or not that was Schiano's doing or Josh Freeman's doing doesn't really matter to me...the season ticket holder who wonders what the fuck I really bought into this year besides a clown-show.

As for Josh Freeman, I really wanted him to succeed here in Tampa and I wish him the best. I'm sure he'll win a Super Bowl somewhere, they always do when they escape Tampa Bay.

[Lathum]

wow did the Cowboys bite on that bootleg

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by rowech

It was really only a monsoon at the end.

Oh I know, right at prime Brady-comeback time.

But yeah, they blew lots of opportunities earlier. Of course, I think Cincy's defense gets credit here as well, they played pretty well.