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10-30-2012, 11:16 PM
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Yep, loved that Peavy deal. Fair market value salarywise, and short-term enough the contract won't be an albatross. Floyd is a bit inconsistent for my tastes, but worth picking up the option on.
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10-31-2012, 02:36 AM
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So I looked it up. UZR had him as the 8th best CF in the NL, but he has the coolest hair and hit the most homers. Not quite as bad as the hustling white guy GG for Nate McLouth back in the day, but in the same awfulness ballpark. Cargo in left field was lolbad, as he was the worst ranked LF with a qualified amount of innings. Rollins at short was pretty bad as well, as Barmes and/or Crawford were much better options. I'm not sure what the normal hit rate on these awards is, but I must say that outside of the listed examples it seems as if they got the awards correct or the choices were defensible. |
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10-31-2012, 11:25 AM
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Wow, Rany. It's like you pretty much drill into my head, steal the thoughts, and then make them smarter:
Rany on the Royals: For Want Of A Pitcher: Really?! We went from Dayton Moore saying "We're looking at Anibal Sanchez (woo!) and Kyle Lohse (dear god no)" and some euphoria that he would be opening up the wallet a little to get some actual quality pitching to Chris Volstad and not so fast on getting rid of Luke. And now we're all back to "god, how are you going to screw this up". Look, again, the Royals offseason can be as simple as: 4/$50 up to 5/$75 for Sanchez, 4/$36-40 for Jackson, and a reasonable offer to Marcum (3/25?). First two who accept get contracts. The only other "need" is 2B but they can platoon with what they have. You hope Hosmer bounces back, the young players continue to progress as a whole, and a rotation of Sanchez/Marcum/Chen/Mendoza/Fluff becomes Sanchez/Marcum/Duffy/Paulino/Chen-Mendoza-Fluff once Duffy and Paulino get back from surgery and even better is how it looks next year 18 months removed from a pair of TJ surgeries with Odorizzi and Zimmer also possibly knocking at the door for opportunity. I also like the "see what the Angels want for Haren or Santana pick-up-option-and-trade" deal as having one of those on a 1/~$12M flier would be an acceptable 2nd major SP instead of a second long term deal if you think you can actually develop the pitching the Royals have failed to do for so long. Also, because I keep losing the link, I wanted to post a decent prices/destinations article. I think trying to guess destinations right now is folly but the amounts are not too off what I'm thinking and takes into account some of the coming inflation. Offseason Predictions: Counting Down the Top 50 Free Agents (25-1) – SI
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10-31-2012, 11:27 AM
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The Dodgers gave Brandon League 3/$22.5M to be a setup man. Never change, Agent Ned.
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10-31-2012, 03:56 PM
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Ervin Santana to the Royals.....
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10-31-2012, 04:02 PM
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Holding my breath to see what we gave up...
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10-31-2012, 04:04 PM
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10-31-2012, 04:13 PM
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You suck.  You should be happy with a low minors live arm since you were going to lose him anyways. But I'm worried Dayton said "hey, if you eat some salary, we'll give you an actual prospect/useful piece". Say, have any interest in a slightly used Jeff Francouer? SI
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10-31-2012, 04:18 PM
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WOOHOO! It's Brandon Sisk!
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10-31-2012, 04:22 PM
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Hmm, so a career minor leaguer who will more or less get a shot to make the pen next year?
Even given everyone knew the Angels weren't going to exercise that option, you would think someone else would have offered better if that was the Royals' best offer. I mean, Santana did not have a great 2012, no, but $13 M is a decent price if he returns to the guy he was before that. And we better not be paying a penny of his salary.
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10-31-2012, 04:32 PM
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It said the Angels sent cash but I'd bet it's just the buyout cost since they were on the hook for it anyways
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10-31-2012, 05:40 PM
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Interesting - I would have much rather taken the same chance on Haren than Santana, but I bet the Angels are more likely to retain Haren or the price is higher. Either way, interesting gamble for Royals - a 1-year contract (especially for a P, not really blocking anyone) is very rarely a bad deal.
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10-31-2012, 05:54 PM
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It's a 1 year contract at $12M. But it's still only one year.
Now with the new tv deals coming into effect next year, I think we're going to see some inflation hit this offseason and then really hard next offseason as the deals are an average of $25M per team per season. If he's a 2 WAR pitcher and the cost per win goes up to 5.5/6, then it's not a bad deal or a good deal- it's just a deal. But for a team with some pitching needs, that's fine. If inflation doesn't hit or Santana pitches more like this season, then it bites Moore in the backside. Fortunately that will only be for one year. SI
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10-31-2012, 07:52 PM
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10-31-2012, 08:53 PM
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10-31-2012, 10:23 PM
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5? Are you being generous?
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11-01-2012, 11:57 AM
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Rest in peace "I-285"
Pascual Perez, former MLB pitcher, killed at age 55 in Dominican Republic - ESPN
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11-01-2012, 02:53 PM
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11-01-2012, 03:42 PM
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Because any time you can sign the #8 hitter from the worst team in baseball, you have to do it, right?
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11-01-2012, 05:01 PM
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Why are the Angels so quick to deal Haren? There's a market there so why not pick up the option and just trade him if they sign Greinke?
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11-02-2012, 08:34 AM
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I think it's an artificial deadline that they have put out there to help facilitate a move. I have a feeling they will "surprise" and pick up his option if they don't find a deal they like, and then hold onto him until they see what happens with Greinke.
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11-02-2012, 08:40 AM
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Ok- that makes a lot more sense
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11-02-2012, 08:57 AM
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I'm hoping the Cubs make some kind of move this offseason. I am not looking forward to another 100 loss season...
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11-02-2012, 02:27 PM
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Josh Hamilton, Zack Greinke lead look at top 50 free agents - Ben Reiter - SI.com
Interesting little read.
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11-02-2012, 07:38 PM
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Haren to the Cubs for... Marmol? Huh? Marmol and his $9M salary?
Is this the case of the Angels wanting a Proven Closer(TM)? SI
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11-02-2012, 07:43 PM
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Damn... Theo fleeced the Angels.
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11-02-2012, 07:44 PM
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I think more of a case that Dan Haren doesnt have as much value as he once did
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11-02-2012, 08:00 PM
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The 3.5M is gone. Would you rather have Carlos Marmol at $9M or nothing for next year?
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11-02-2012, 08:23 PM
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Nothing for next year over an okay closer who hasn't had a BB/9 under 5.84 over the last 4 seasons. I don't see this as a good move for the Angels at all. |
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11-02-2012, 09:57 PM
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Marmol/Haren deal off. Reportedly the Cubs pulled out of it.
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11-02-2012, 10:02 PM
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Either they didnt get enough money or Haren has some injury concerns
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11-02-2012, 10:06 PM
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11-02-2012, 10:07 PM
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I think Haren has some serious arm/shoulder issues, which is why the Angels will take anything with a pulse back for him
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11-02-2012, 10:10 PM
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11-02-2012, 11:13 PM
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Angels decline Haren's option, he's now a free agent.
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His medical records must be bad. Otherwise, I don't get why someone wouldn't pick him up for 1/$13. If I were the Royals, I'd rather have Haren than Santana SI
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11-03-2012, 02:32 PM
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The bright orange works, I guess. I wish they had gone back to the shooting star.
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11-03-2012, 02:35 PM
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I wish they would break out the Mike Scott era striped ones.
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11-03-2012, 07:19 PM
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I'm glad the Cubs passed, they can't afford to give a medical problem a big contract while they're trying to rebuild...
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11-04-2012, 05:15 PM
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Here's a video of superfast Reds prospect Billy Hamilton. First he stole 2b after walking. Then he stole 3b on the catcher's throw back to the pitcher after a pitch. Guy is amazing.
Arizona Fall League | 2012 AFL Stars: Hamilton steals twice in the first - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia
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11-04-2012, 05:57 PM
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11-05-2012, 05:14 PM
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It's going to be brutal when Hamilton plays vs the Pirates. I'm guessing somewhere around 20-25 steals in the 18 games. We don't throw anyone out at all.
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11-05-2012, 05:53 PM
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Why a catcher should not throw from a knee.
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11-05-2012, 07:12 PM
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I just hope he continues to develop. His OBP was good for AA. But we all know, you can't steal first base.
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11-07-2012, 01:01 PM
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Mets and Jason Bay have "agreed to part ways". Basically he'll get every dollar of the $16 million owed to him next year, plus the $3MM to buy out his 2014 year in all likelihood, just to stay away.
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Reds confirm they are looking to bring baCK Madson or Broxton so Chappie can be in the rotation
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