NFL Week 13 Thread

[Julio Riddols]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

I say blow the d*** team up and keep only McCoy; I hate this team right now. I actually wasn't happy coming into the season even though they were predicted to do well because I didn't like the players on the team. I would rather like the team that I cheer for, like the Phillies and Flyers as they are a fun group of players.

This is where I was as a Bengals fan last year. The good news is that a complete 180 can happen in the space of a year.

[Vince, Pt. II]

Drafting a decent QB and amazing WR in the same draft is a pretty tall order, though. Good luck with that.

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

I think the Broncos should sign Donovan McNabb and convert him to fullback.

Nearly caught me with a spit-take there Pumpy. Nice job.

[Rizon]

There aren't many xmas gifts better than the 2012 Eagles being 4-8

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Rizon

There aren't many xmas gifts better than the 2012 Eagles being 4-8

Then you have one sad existence...

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Rizon

There aren't many xmas gifts better than the 2012 Eagles being 4-8

I can think of several .. 3-9, 2-10, 1-11, and 0-12

And that's just off the top of my head.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by Grover

I've only been on these boards for a month, I have to say I love all the Bengals support that is here. I've been a fan since 1990 or 1991 when I bet my stepfather a quarter that they would beat the Hugh Millen led Patriots and did so 31-7.

Little did I know what I was getting myself into.

That support is not transferring to attendance this year. I was surprised how many leftover seats there were for the Browns game.

[RendeR]

Yeah I've been really saddened by the lack of fan support at games this year. I could understand it early on, we weren't expected to do much and then started 1-2, but after the 5 game streak?? come on, these guys are FUN to watch, go get them tickets people!!

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Yeah I've been really saddened by the lack of fan support at games this year. I could understand it early on, we weren't expected to do much and then started 1-2, but after the 5 game streak?? come on, these guys are FUN to watch, go get them tickets people!!

Now that somebody brought it up, it does seems kind of strange
2011 avg home att - 49,619 7-4
2010 avg home att - 60,634 4-12
2009 avg home att - 64,004 10-6

Are people that pissed at Paul Brown?

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Now that somebody brought it up, it does seems kind of strange
2011 avg home att - 49,619 7-4
2010 avg home att - 60,634 4-12
2009 avg home att - 64,004 10-6

Are people that pissed at Paul Brown?

Gee, what else has happened that might lead to declining attendance at ultra-expensive sporting events, or even spending in general?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

Gee, what else has happened that might lead to declining attendance at ultra-expensive sporting events, or even spending in general?

Overall NFL attendance is down 1.1% vs last year, margins in Cincy are just a tad higher to say the least. No place has been hit by recession any harder than Michigan & they're up over 7k per game.

Sorry, not buying that as a factor in 2011 vs 2010 at all.

[Apathetic Lurker]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

Gee, what else has happened that might lead to declining attendance at ultra-expensive sporting events, or even spending in general?

Nah, its Brown..........

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by Grover

I've only been on these boards for a month, I have to say I love all the Bengals support that is here. I've been a fan since 1990 or 1991 when I bet my stepfather a quarter that they would beat the Hugh Millen led Patriots and did so 31-7.

Little did I know what I was getting myself into.

You poor bastard. What a terrible time to become a Bengals fan.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Now that somebody brought it up, it does seems kind of strange
2011 avg home att - 49,619 7-4
2010 avg home att - 60,634 4-12
2009 avg home att - 64,004 10-6

Are people that pissed at Paul Brown?

Seeing as he spawned Mike Brown, I am going to say yes.

[bulletsponge]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I can think of several .. 3-9, 2-10, 1-11, and 0-12

And that's just off the top of my head.

no no, i dont want them landing Luck. 4-8 is perfectly sucky enough

[RomaGoth]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

You poor bastard. What a terrible time to become a Bengals fan.

At least he had the Icky Shuffle.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Now that somebody brought it up, it does seems kind of strange
2011 avg home att - 49,619 7-4
2010 avg home att - 60,634 4-12
2009 avg home att - 64,004 10-6

Are people that pissed at Paul Brown?

I wonder if next season the numbers don't go up. The high numbers from 2010 might be based on the 2009 season so 2011 might be getting punished for the 2010 season.

[Ksyrup]

I think it could be as simple as a combination of factors:

1. Lack of stars; Ochocinco gone and specifically, fans disgruntled with the Carson Palmer thing

2. Low expectations for season, tield to #1

3. Crappy schedule - SF and BUF (weeks 3 and 4) were the first 2 home games, and going into the season, nobody thought much of either team. Then came Indy in week 6, and by then, people knew Indy sucked

Those 3 games averaged low 40s.

Pittsburgh - 63K

Cleveland - a dreck of a team, in crappy weather, on Thanksgiving weekend - 48K

And that's been it so far. I blame a bad schedule and no motivation to go to the early games based on a fairly no-name roster with little expectation of competing. The one game that was decent, people went to.

Just my take.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by RomaGoth

At least he had the Icky Shuffle.

Not really. He pretty much had one good year, which was '88. After that, he was mostly hurt and ineffective.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Then came Indy in week 6, and by then, people knew Indy sucked

But it was their second best attendance of the year

SF - 43,363
Buf - 41,142
Indy - 52,068
Pitt - 63,462
Cle - 48,260

There's also the Pittsburgh-fans-in-large-numbers issue to account for with that particular game.

FWIW, I think you're right, that it's a function of low expectations combined with the roster makeup that's doing it. Remember, Atlanta drew more fans losing with Vick than they did winning without him. People like to see stars, just the nature of the beast.

[Ksyrup]

Well, there are a lot of Indy fans here, it being so close to Cincy/Lexington. So that might have something to do with drawing more fans for that game. They weren't yet 0-11.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

But it was their second best attendance of the year

SF - 43,363
Buf - 41,142
Indy - 52,068
Pitt - 63,462
Cle - 48,260

There's also the Pittsburgh-fans-in-large-numbers issue to account for with that particular game.

FWIW, I think you're right, that it's a function of low expectations combined with the roster makeup that's doing it. Remember, Atlanta drew more fans losing with Vick than they did winning without him. People like to see stars, just the nature of the beast.

The Southern Ohio economy also really sucks. Unemployment is slightly to much higher in most of the counties the Bengals draw from.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

The Southern Ohio economy also really sucks. Unemployment is slightly to much higher in most of the counties the Bengals draw from.

Yeah, I don't think this point can really be overlooked. It's hard to use Detroit and south east Michigan in general as a comparison, because this is a football crazy area.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

The Southern Ohio economy also really sucks. Unemployment is slightly to much higher in most of the counties the Bengals draw from.

The Cincy metro (MSA) is currently 0.1 % lower than the national average.

Granted, say, Dayton is higher (+0.4%) but is that area so much of the Bengals fan base? (I'm asking, I have no idea where they come from until you tell me)

[Bearcat729]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

But it was their second best attendance of the year

SF - 43,363
Buf - 41,142
Indy - 52,068
Pitt - 63,462
Cle - 48,260

There's also the Pittsburgh-fans-in-large-numbers issue to account for with that particular game.

FWIW, I think you're right, that it's a function of low expectations combined with the roster makeup that's doing it. Remember, Atlanta drew more fans losing with Vick than they did winning without him. People like to see stars, just the nature of the beast.

The Cleveland game surprised me because much like Pittsburgh and Indy the Browns fans usually travel down to see the game. I'd guess the fact that the team sucks, along with Thanksgiving were the whole reason that the attendance was so low.

I'd say that the fans are tired of supporting the Brown family mainly, coupled with the economy, and maybe a little resentment towards the stadium funding being a big thing with the local budget hassles this year as the reason that they are not going to games as much.

Give the Bengals a playoff game and you'll see more people in the stadium, and then another good season next year and it'll go back to being sell outs.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Suh's 2 game suspenion is upheld on appeal. So, he'll miss this week against New Orleans and next week against Minnesota.

The Lions heading into New Orleans this week reminds me of that scene in Jurassic Park when that cow or yak or whatever was lowered into the velociraptor pit.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

The Lions heading into New Orleans this week reminds me of that scene in Jurassic Park when that cow or yak or whatever was lowered into the velociraptor pit.

Matthew Stafford does kinda look like a cow.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

Matthew Stafford does kinda look like a cow.

words hurt, you know

[rowech]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Now that somebody brought it up, it does seems kind of strange
2011 avg home att - 49,619 7-4
2010 avg home att - 60,634 4-12
2009 avg home att - 64,004 10-6

Are people that pissed at Paul Brown?

I have no doubt the Bengals attendance is because of:

1. the economy -- it's horrible in Ohio
2. people trying to prove a point to Mike Brown and staying strong in their will to do so despite the team doing well.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

The Cincy metro (MSA) is currently 0.1 % lower than the national average.

Granted, say, Dayton is higher (+0.4%) but is that area so much of the Bengals fan base? (I'm asking, I have no idea where they come from until you tell me)

Yeah, in looking at more recent data the immediate metro area has gotten better. The Dayton area is bad and the rural counties west of Cincy are awful. They could probably get sellouts if the team didn't have such a terrible history. I think the Bengals lost a lot of season tickets after last year and the Palmer situation.

[Grover]

Donovan McNabb has gone unclaimed through waivers. I'm not surprised.

Secondly, the Vikings have picked up Sage Rosenfels.

[lungs]

Didn't the Reds have pretty mediocre attendance when they made the playoffs in 2010?

[Suicane75]

I'm having Ray Rhodes flashbacks. Someone help me.

[Rizon]

Originally Posted by Suicane75

I'm having Ray Rhodes flashbacks. Someone help me.

[Suicane75]

If I could take Desean Jackson with me..............

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by lungs

Didn't the Reds have pretty mediocre attendance when they made the playoffs in 2010?

25,438 in 2010. In 2011 they were at 27,327.

[Buccaneer]

The only other thing to go along with the Eagles failing would be for the Jets to miss the playoffs. What a joy to have such an overrated, whining, crybaby team like the Eagles to go thud.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

The only other thing to go along with the Eagles failing would be for the Jets to miss the playoffs. What a joy to have such an overrated, whining, crybaby team like the Eagles to go thud.

Oh god I would love to see the Jets crash and burn. I hate that belligerent fat fuck.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by rowech

I have no doubt the Bengals attendance is because of:

1. the economy -- it's horrible in Ohio
2. people trying to prove a point to Mike Brown and staying strong in their will to do so despite the team doing well.

I have a friend who works for a major ticket broker outlet and we talked about them when I noticed how few fans were at a game and how well they've done this year. He told me they don't really offer a lot of cheap tickets. That their expensive tickets aren't as high priced as others, but they don't have a lot of super cheap tickets that some teams have up in the nosebleeds.

Basically they have one of the dumbest ticket pricing systems in the league.

[rowech]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I have a friend who works for a major ticket broker outlet and we talked about them when I noticed how few fans were at a game and how well they've done this year. He told me they don't really offer a lot of cheap tickets. That their expensive tickets aren't as high priced as others, but they don't have a lot of super cheap tickets that some teams have up in the nosebleeds.

Basically they have one of the dumbest ticket pricing systems in the league.

The cheapest tickets they've had are $75. That's been lowered in the last couple of weeks to $65. Still too much for me. Here are the Bengals seat prices compared to the Packers.

Stadium Map and Ticket Pricing - Cincinnati Bengals

Packers.com | Seating Diagram

They're now cheaper but I'm fairly certain the Bengals lowered their price by 10 bucks for all areas which means they were actually more expensive than the Packers.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Suh's 2 game suspenion is upheld on appeal. So, he'll miss this week against New Orleans and next week against Minnesota.

The Lions heading into New Orleans this week reminds me of that scene in Jurassic Park when that cow or yak or whatever was lowered into the velociraptor pit.

Not really making his case by running into a tree either. His brain might be inside his body, but it's not attached to his head.

[Grover]

Originally Posted by Matthean

Not really making his case by running into a tree either. His brain might be inside his body, but it's not attached to his head.

I hear he stomped on a few limbs because he was mad at the tree.

[JPhillips]

The Hamilton county deficit and the Bengals' lease probably also plays a role. The county is going to sell a hospital to cover the deficit and the Bengals refuse to alter their lease in any way that will benefit the county. They actually have a provision in the lease that the county will have to pay for a holographic replay system if one is ever developed.

People in southern Ohio really hate Mike Brown and it's going to take a run of success to overcome that.

[rowech]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

The Hamilton county deficit and the Bengals' lease probably also plays a role. The county is going to sell a hospital to cover the deficit and the Bengals refuse to alter their lease in any way that will benefit the county. They actually have a provision in the lease that the county will have to pay for a holographic replay system if one is ever developed.

People in southern Ohio really hate Mike Brown and it's going to take a run of success to overcome that.

or a death

[stevew]

It's possible that not wearing pajama uniforms could work. Zubazz 4 Lyfe!

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by stevew

It's possible that not wearing pajama uniforms could work. Zubazz 4 Lyfe!

Says the fan of a team who can't even afford stickers on both sides of their fuckin helmet.

Get a real mascot.

[JPhillips]

Ugh. Dunlap and Clements out for the Bengals.

[Grover]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Ugh. Dunlap and Clements out for the Bengals.

Egad. Pacman and Jennings at corner? This could be a long day...

[Vince, Pt. II]

Is it weird that I'm worried about the 49er - Ram game? I totally shouldn't be, but I have a bad feeling. Nearly ten years of sucky 49er teams has taken its toll, I guess.

[whomario]

no Von Miller for the Broncos, just imagine if the Broncos/Tebow still win without maybe their best player