2016 Olympics... - Page 2

flere-imsaho · 10-02-2009, 10:36 AM

Tokyo apparently eliminated in the 2nd round, so it's either Rio or Madrid.

Mustang · 10-02-2009, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

Tokyo apparently eliminated in the 2nd round, so it's either Rio or Madrid.

We should know shortly who paid the most.

airulf · 10-02-2009, 10:42 AM

My bet is on Rio. I think it is unlikely that Europe will play host two times in a row.

ISiddiqui · 10-02-2009, 10:42 AM

First South American games will also likely appeal to the voters.

Pumpy Tudors · 10-02-2009, 10:44 AM

No matter who wins, none of this can top the frequent FOFC get-togethers in Buffalo.

GoldenEagle · 10-02-2009, 10:50 AM

If it is Rio, ESPN the Mag called it. They did a feature saying that it usually went to the city that was least prepared, most corrupted, and highest crime.

bronconick · 10-02-2009, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

If it is Rio, ESPN the Mag called it. They did a feature saying that it usually went to the city that was least prepared, most corrupted, and highest crime.

Why on earth have we not been offering up Detroit and/or New Orleans, then?

flere-imsaho · 10-02-2009, 10:56 AM

If you have a link, I'd love to read that article.

Young Drachma · 10-02-2009, 11:18 AM

Chicago out in the first round is just downright...wow. Maybe Michael Jordan not showing up was precisely what the doctor ordered.

Cue the backlash.

Arles · 10-02-2009, 11:25 AM

I'd like to see Madrid get it, but we'll see. It's a blessing Chicago got passed on. Given all the corruption in the Salt Lake City bid/setup by rank amateurs in Utah, I can't imagine what would happen when professionals at corruption in Chicago got their hands on all that cash.

molson · 10-02-2009, 11:25 AM

This is what happens when Chicago tries to do things clean.

JonInMiddleGA · 10-02-2009, 11:28 AM

Well that went well, don't ya think?

JediKooter · 10-02-2009, 11:30 AM

Good, now we won't have to see endless stories of Chicago deep dish pizzas and stories of Al Capone.

RainMaker · 10-02-2009, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by molson

This is what happens when Chicago tries to do things clean.

I was thinking the same thing. They actually were pretty clean about the whole thing. They had some top notch guys in the community running the show who had no real ties to the city or any corruption. I guess they should have stuck to old school Chicago politics to bring it in.

I still think it's a real odd decision. I mean the IOC has now rejected New York and Chicago in back-to-back decisions. There's a good chance that the U.S. will now go 30+ years without hosting a Summer Games. Interesting approach by the IOC considering that enthusiasm for the games has been tepid in this country for a little while now.

I know there is some major tension between the IOC and USOC. Wondering if that played a role. Also wondering if people just have an anti-American bias these days. I could understand us losing in the 2nd or final round, but can't fathom that they actually believed we were the worst bid city.

Hoping Madrid gets it as I've been to Rio and it's a shithole.

RainMaker · 10-02-2009, 11:35 AM

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Good, now we won't have to see endless stories of Chicago deep dish pizzas and stories of Al Capone.

That is a plus. The good thing I guess is that it won't dominate every newscast, board meeting, etc.

M GO BLUE!!! · 10-02-2009, 11:38 AM

Oh,when my baby.... When my baby smiles at me I go to ___.

Truthfully, I only watch the women's Olympic gymnastics & track because I'm a perv. I also root against the NBA players & want the Luxemberg to win the basketball, just because their center is 5'4" and 137 lbs. I think the Knicks drafted him though...

cartman · 10-02-2009, 11:53 AM

It is official. Rio won.

Arles · 10-02-2009, 12:05 PM

Should be interesting to see them transform Rio into a legitimate world city (from an appearance standpoint).

Galaxy · 10-02-2009, 12:10 PM

Will the US bid in 2020? It appears that 2018 is out and Africa is a front-runner for 2020.

DeToxRox · 10-02-2009, 12:12 PM

Chicago officials needed to give Ron Zook a big bag of money and let him recruit for the town.

JediKooter · 10-02-2009, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

That is a plus. The good thing I guess is that it won't dominate every newscast, board meeting, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I like Chicago, but, the almost complete lack of any originality out of American tv/movie production these days, we would have been drowned in it I think. "And here is the brand new swimming facility, only 15 miles from the site of the St Valentine's Day Massacre.", "Yes, this length of the marathon is actually the stretch of road that Al Capone's men used to bootleg whisky from Canada, which brings you right by Big Tony's World Famous Chicago Style Deep Dish Pizza Parlor" etc...

Go Rio!! Please please show the scantily clad ladies of Carnival as much as you want.

DataKing · 10-02-2009, 12:28 PM

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Go Rio!! Please please show the scantily clad ladies of Carnival as much as you want.

I smell a new Olympic event.

ISiddiqui · 10-02-2009, 12:30 PM

YAY, RIO!!!!!

ISiddiqui · 10-02-2009, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

I still think it's a real odd decision. I mean the IOC has now rejected New York and Chicago in back-to-back decisions. There's a good chance that the U.S. will now go 30+ years without hosting a Summer Games. Interesting approach by the IOC considering that enthusiasm for the games has been tepid in this country for a little while now.

On other hand, this will be the first Olympics for South America, and the US had a Summer and Winter Games in very close proximity (Atlanta and Salt Lake City... and lets not forget that Los Angeles was not to far in time from Atlanta).

Young Drachma · 10-02-2009, 12:32 PM

Madrid 28, Rio 26, Tokyo 22, Chicago 18 (Round 1)
Rio 46, Madrid 29, Tokyo 20 (Round 2)
Rio 66, Madrid 32 (Round 3)

Seems like Madrid got some of those fencesitting Chicago votes early on, to get their main competition out of the running.

Lula must've been offering up something tasty.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 10-02-2009, 12:33 PM

So, what time of the year will the 2016 Summer Olympics be held since they obviously have a different summertime than those of us up north.

stevew · 10-02-2009, 12:33 PM

They'll just send Horatio Caine down to Argentina and he'll have that shit cleaned up in no time.

RainMaker · 10-02-2009, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaxy

Will the US bid in 2020? It appears that 2018 is out and Africa is a front-runner for 2020.

From what I've heard they won't, and if they do it'll be a light effort. They put all their chips into the Chicago bid. The IOC has rejected New York and Chicago, so I'm not exactly sure what city is going to be able to out-do them.

2024 is probably the next chance, but who knows how popular the olympics will be in 8 years.

JediKooter · 10-02-2009, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DataKing

I smell a new Olympic event.

I'd tune in at 3am for that!

Young Drachma · 10-02-2009, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

So, what time of the year will the 2016 Summer Olympics be held since they obviously have a different summertime than those of us up north.

August 5-21st, 2016

The reason Doha's bid wasn't seriously considered, despite all of the money those guys surely sent in truckloads and in the form of harems is because they wanted to host the Summer Games in October. And IOC wasn't cool with doing it that late.

molson · 10-02-2009, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

So, what time of the year will the 2016 Summer Olympics be held since they obviously have a different summertime than those of us up north.

I think that's their winter, but its still pretty warm then. Average high of 75F in August.

cartman · 10-02-2009, 12:51 PM

Yeah, Rio is around 22 degrees south of the Equator, which puts them in the tropic zone. Melbourne, the only other southern hemisphere city to host the Summer games is much farther south at around 37 degrees.

molson · 10-02-2009, 12:54 PM

Though I'm sure somebody will soon complain about the name "Summer Olympics" being northern hemisphere-centric and request that it be changed. Perhaps to "Warm Olympics"

RainMaker · 10-02-2009, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

On other hand, this will be the first Olympics for South America, and the US had a Summer and Winter Games in very close proximity (Atlanta and Salt Lake City... and lets not forget that Los Angeles was not to far in time from Atlanta).

U.S. is still where the money is at. South America is a market they'd like to tap I guess, but it's one of those things that always looks better on paper. Rio has a couple nice parts but is mostly a shithole.

What was the last city to host that had the kind of crime Rio does?

Young Drachma · 10-02-2009, 01:01 PM

Do Olympic Host Cities Ever Win? - Room for Debate Blog - NYTimes.com

ISiddiqui · 10-02-2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

U.S. is still where the money is at. South America is a market they'd like to tap I guess, but it's one of those things that always looks better on paper.

Why exactly are you looking at it from a strictly money perspective. I bet a lot of these countries (especially European countries) were not.

Young Drachma · 10-02-2009, 01:05 PM

Yeah, I doubt the Euros care at this point. Taking the Americans out of this, it seems that it'd be long overdue that South America get to host a Games, even if it meant a US city didn't get it. I suspect that's why they docked Chicago out early, so it wouldn't even be close.

If anything, they probably should've worked out a deal with Rio from the start that would've given them US support for '16 if they'd back a US bid in '20. But...that's probably expecting too much planning out of the USOC.

South Africa will almost certainly get the popular sentiment for 2020 (though their handling of the World Cup next year should be an issue..) and so, 2024 is the earliest a US city could hope to get it.

QuikSand · 10-02-2009, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

U.S. is still where the money is at. South America is a market they'd like to tap I guess

Agreed. As an American, I know that with my own online research of the South American "market" and Brazilian in particular, I often conclude "I'd like to tap that."

whomario · 10-02-2009, 01:13 PM

the real reason they won and why it´s a good thing :

Spoiler

RainMaker · 10-02-2009, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Why exactly are you looking at it from a strictly money perspective. I bet a lot of these countries (especially European countries) were not.

Because that is what this is about. If it's not about money, the IOC should just take in donations and run the games free of commercials and sponsorships.

Arles · 10-02-2009, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

Do Olympic Host Cities Ever Win? - Room for Debate Blog - NYTimes.com

This is exactly what many of us have been saying for months. It would have been nice to see an article like this before Chicago ended up losing the bid.

RainMaker · 10-02-2009, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

Agreed. As an American, I know that with my own online research of the South American "market" and Brazilian in particular, I often conclude "I'd like to tap that."

I will give you a rundown of my trip to Brazil years ago for business.

1) Checked into the hotel and was told in no uncertain terms by the concierge that certain areas were off limits (essentially everything outside of a 8 block radius of the hotel). Said that venturing out of there will guarantee a beating, mugging, or even being killed.

2) First night my credit card number was swiped at a restaurant we ate at. Found out the next day that someone was charging a ton of crap all over the world.

3) Had my digital camera stolen by housekeeping. Was my fault for not locking it up although I did keep it well hidden inside the sleeve of a sport coat and under the rest of my clothes.

4) Did go to the beach and it was unbelievable. The stories you hear about them and the women are real. The one thing I learned is that they don't have a lot of fat chicks there. Most of the girls also just dress slutty as hell as hot pants and tube tops are par for the course for any young lady.

5) On the way to the beach we were held up on the highway because there was a big shootout. They had to shut the whole highway down. This apparently wasn't a big deal to the locals and happens all the time.

6) We were locked into the office for about 4 hours while the police had a huge shootout 3 blocks away. Apparently they had to clean up the mess before we could leave.

7) Prostitutes are everywhere and sneaky as fuck. You can buy a harem of girls for the night for around $250. A fellow co-worker brought two home and while he had an amazing time, his wallet and passport were stolen which turned into a huge headache for him. Tough to explain to your boss that two hookers stole it.

8) There is a thing called Girlfriend Experience. For an addition $20 or so, the girl will act like your gf for the night. Will get jealous if other girls talk to you, will hang on you and flirt.

9) I did not purchase a prostitute although did get frisky with a woman at the bar who ended up being one I later found out. We had talked for about a half hour and stuff with some light groping. She went to the bathroom, a guy sat down and was real nice. Said "you like her?", I said "yeah". He says "very hot, yours for something that was the equivelent of $100". I passed, he continued to sell me on how much she loves to please American men. This was at a high end bar/club too which was surprising.

Overall it was a unique experience. Would have been more fun without the shootouts and uncertainty I had being there. Probably would do better a second time. But it's still a shithole and I can't fathom it hosting a massive international event like the Olympics.

ISiddiqui · 10-02-2009, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Because that is what this is about. If it's not about money, the IOC should just take in donations and run the games free of commercials and sponsorships.

That's nice and cynical, but I bet a lot of these heads of Olympic Committees in countries believe in high faluting ideals like Olympic spirit and whatnot. Why else would the Atlanta games be so criticized for being "too commerical"?

JediKooter · 10-02-2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by whomario

the real reason they won and why it´s a good thing :

Spoiler

No butts about it for the real reason they won.

DanGarion · 10-02-2009, 02:21 PM

Madrid would have just been weird because it would have only been 20 years since Barcelona. There are lots of other worthy countries...

RainMaker · 10-02-2009, 06:16 PM

Have the Olympics always been so partisian? I can't remember the previous decisions with the U.S. too well, but I don't remember one party wishing for it and the other against it. Haven't the Olympics always kind of been just a cool thing that people were patriotic about?

ISiddiqui · 10-02-2009, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DanGarion

Madrid would have just been weird because it would have only been 20 years since Barcelona. There are lots of other worthy countries...

One can say the same for the US

. 15 years since Atlanta.

Young Drachma · 10-02-2009, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Have the Olympics always been so partisian? I can't remember the previous decisions with the U.S. too well, but I don't remember one party wishing for it and the other against it. Haven't the Olympics always kind of been just a cool thing that people were patriotic about?

It's gotten a lot worse in recent years (in terms of the anti-American sentiment), but it's always been political.

Buccaneer · 10-02-2009, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

9) I did not purchase a prostitute although did get frisky with a woman at the bar who ended up being one I later found out. We had talked for about a half hour and stuff with some light groping. She went to the bathroom, a guy sat down and was real nice. Said "you like her?", I said "yeah". He says "very hot, yours for something that was the equivelent of $100". I passed, he continued to sell me on how much she loves to please American men. This was at a high end bar/club too which was surprising.

I see that you've been to Las Vegas as well.

cartman · 10-02-2009, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

It's gotten a lot worse in recent years (in terms of the anti-American sentiment), but it's always been political.

I think he was referring to internal US politics, not IOC politics.

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10-02-2009, 10:44 AM	#55
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10-02-2009, 10:50 AM	#56
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10-02-2009, 10:56 AM	#58
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10-02-2009, 11:25 AM	#60
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	I'd like to see Madrid get it, but we'll see. It's a blessing Chicago got passed on. Given all the corruption in the Salt Lake City bid/setup by rank amateurs in Utah, I can't imagine what would happen when professionals at corruption in Chicago got their hands on all that cash. __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

10-02-2009, 11:25 AM	#61
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	This is what happens when Chicago tries to do things clean.

10-02-2009, 11:28 AM	#62
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10-02-2009, 11:38 AM	#66
M GO BLUE!!! Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005	Oh,when my baby.... When my baby smiles at me I go to ___. Truthfully, I only watch the women's Olympic gymnastics & track because I'm a perv. I also root against the NBA players & want the Luxemberg to win the basketball, just because their center is 5'4" and 137 lbs. I think the Knicks drafted him though...

10-02-2009, 11:53 AM	#67
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	It is official. Rio won. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

10-02-2009, 12:05 PM	#68
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	Should be interesting to see them transform Rio into a legitimate world city (from an appearance standpoint). __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

10-02-2009, 12:10 PM	#69
Galaxy Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2005	Will the US bid in 2020? It appears that 2018 is out and Africa is a front-runner for 2020.

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10-02-2009, 12:32 PM	#75
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Madrid 28, Rio 26, Tokyo 22, Chicago 18 (Round 1) Rio 46, Madrid 29, Tokyo 20 (Round 2) Rio 66, Madrid 32 (Round 3) Seems like Madrid got some of those fencesitting Chicago votes early on, to get their main competition out of the running. Lula must've been offering up something tasty. __________________ Current Dynasty:The Zenith of Professional Basketball Careers (FBPB/FBCB) FBCB / FPB3 Mods

10-02-2009, 12:33 PM	#76
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	So, what time of the year will the 2016 Summer Olympics be held since they obviously have a different summertime than those of us up north.

10-02-2009, 12:33 PM	#77
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	They'll just send Horatio Caine down to Argentina and he'll have that shit cleaned up in no time.

10-02-2009, 12:51 PM	#82
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Yeah, Rio is around 22 degrees south of the Equator, which puts them in the tropic zone. Melbourne, the only other southern hemisphere city to host the Summer games is much farther south at around 37 degrees. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

10-02-2009, 12:54 PM	#83
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	Though I'm sure somebody will soon complain about the name "Summer Olympics" being northern hemisphere-centric and request that it be changed. Perhaps to "Warm Olympics"

10-02-2009, 01:01 PM	#85
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10-02-2009, 01:05 PM	#87
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Yeah, I doubt the Euros care at this point. Taking the Americans out of this, it seems that it'd be long overdue that South America get to host a Games, even if it meant a US city didn't get it. I suspect that's why they docked Chicago out early, so it wouldn't even be close. If anything, they probably should've worked out a deal with Rio from the start that would've given them US support for '16 if they'd back a US bid in '20. But...that's probably expecting too much planning out of the USOC. South Africa will almost certainly get the popular sentiment for 2020 (though their handling of the World Cup next year should be an issue..) and so, 2024 is the earliest a US city could hope to get it. __________________ Current Dynasty:The Zenith of Professional Basketball Careers (FBPB/FBCB) FBCB / FPB3 Mods Last edited by Young Drachma : 10-02-2009 at 01:06 PM.

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whomario Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2007	the real reason they won and why it´s a good thing : Spoiler Last edited by whomario : 10-02-2009 at 01:23 PM.

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RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Have the Olympics always been so partisian? I can't remember the previous decisions with the U.S. too well, but I don't remember one party wishing for it and the other against it. Haven't the Olympics always kind of been just a cool thing that people were patriotic about?

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