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Old 06-20-2009, 04:09 PM   #51
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Miss Knox has nothing on Miss Scarlett...
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Old 06-20-2009, 04:10 PM   #52
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Way more partial to pre-work Scarlett.
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Old 06-20-2009, 04:14 PM   #53
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In an unrelated note: Prisons abroad have beauty pageants.

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Probably not in Italy, tho.
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Old 06-20-2009, 04:23 PM   #54
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Probably not in Italy, tho.

Wow, what a bunch of fuglies...I am assuming that whomever wins gets added time in the hole?
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Old 06-20-2009, 04:41 PM   #55
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Way more partial to pre-work Scarlett.

Her boobs actually look smaller here, or is it just me?
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Old 06-20-2009, 05:05 PM   #56
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Some dude in the New York Times wrote a blog piece essentially saying "she's much too pretty and white like my daughter to have done this."

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I love how he just completely whitewashes her conflicting stories by saying "of course she forgot where she was the night before -- she'd smoked hash." I don't know about you guys, but I would have to be pretty stoned to forget having witnessed a murder.
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Old 06-20-2009, 05:05 PM   #57
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Old 06-20-2009, 05:13 PM   #58
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So then what the hell happened? How about his: all four get high. Knox and Sollecitogo leave to get it on in her bedroom while Guede puts the moves on Kercher. She's not having it so he date-rapes her. She's trying to scream but he's choking her to keep her quiet. He crushes her windpipe. He runs to get Knox and Soll and they all freak out. They decide to stage the break-in and Soll gets his knife out to make it seem like a burgler slit her throat. They try to get a story together, but they're high and nervous and freaking out, so of course they can't keep the story straight.
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Old 06-20-2009, 05:43 PM   #59
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Old 06-20-2009, 05:51 PM   #60
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That was great. I think part of the "easiness" comes from the fact that the girls are essentially on vacation. I'm sure people who live in the Caribbean have similar stories about spring break girls.
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Old 06-20-2009, 05:51 PM   #61
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Old 06-20-2009, 05:59 PM   #62
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So then what the hell happened? How about his: all four get high. Knox and Sollecitogo leave to get it on in her bedroom while Guede puts the moves on Kercher. She's not having it so he date-rapes her. She's trying to scream but he's choking her to keep her quiet. He crushes her windpipe. He runs to get Knox and Soll and they all freak out. They decide to stage the break-in and Soll gets his knife out to make it seem like a burgler slit her throat. They try to get a story together, but they're high and nervous and freaking out, so of course they can't keep the story straight.

It doesn't explain her bizarre behavior. They said she was doing cartwheels at the police station and during the entire trial she's been making romantic gestures to the boyfriend.

Clearly, at best, she's unstable.
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Old 06-20-2009, 07:28 PM   #63
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Miss Knox has nothing on Miss Scarlett...

Just to start constructing the graph, even if Scarlett was a crazy murderer I would do it. So plot that point.
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Old 06-22-2009, 09:24 AM   #64
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When you've slept with a crazy woman once, I think you learn enough to avoid sleeping with crazy women again.
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Old 06-22-2009, 10:33 AM   #65
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Old 06-22-2009, 10:50 AM   #66
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Damn, this is what happens when I get stuck at work and can't check FOFC for a couple of days. I saw that post as a perfect lead-in to a Clue joke as well but JIMGA beat me to it

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Old 12-04-2009, 05:21 PM   #67
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Italian jury finds Amanda Knox guilty of murdering British roommate - CNN.com

I'm only read the mainstream articles on this, but it seemed like a pretty weak case.
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Old 12-04-2009, 05:40 PM   #68
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You guys are great. That girls shows up at your door with a vampire manga comic and suggests you try out some of the poses and you'd say, "sorry, but I don't like that look in your eyes."

I'd look at her and be like "Um, no. You're probably a Stephanie Meyer fanatic and you're not hot enough to overcome that stain. Come back when you actually develop some taste."
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Old 12-04-2009, 05:46 PM   #69
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Italian jury finds Amanda Knox guilty of murdering British roommate - CNN.com

I'm only read the mainstream articles on this, but it seemed like a pretty weak case.

Obviously huge news here. The evidence was weak as hell, the jury didn't even ask to be sequestered and deliberated for all of about 20 hours.

No way she is convicted if this is the states. Now granted, she may not be innocent in all this, but no way in hell was her guilt proven beyond a reasonible doubt.
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Old 12-04-2009, 05:56 PM   #70
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Obviously huge news here. The evidence was weak as hell, the jury didn't even ask to be sequestered and deliberated for all of about 20 hours.

No way she is convicted if this is the states. Now granted, she may not be innocent in all this, but no way in hell was her guilt proven beyond a reasonible doubt.

Ain't that the truth. Annoying as hell, I couldn't care less about this story.

But it's not all about me, I guess. Pity.
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Old 12-04-2009, 06:44 PM   #72
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One thing in Italy is the media. Here, you can either get you're case moved, re-tried, or dismissed if they feel that the media and leaks has tainted. Not so in Italy.
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Old 12-04-2009, 06:45 PM   #73
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Maybe she should hook up with Tiger.
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A real country would have tortured her and then put her before a military tribunal.
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A real country would have tortured her and then put her before a military tribunal.

The parallels are uncanny!
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Old 12-04-2009, 11:11 PM   #76
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When you've slept with a crazy woman once, I think you learn enough to avoid sleeping with crazy women again.


Quite the opposite, once you sleep with a true psycho...you know better than to go back, but it is so....uhhhh everythignt hat you cant help it. That si where they named crack...its the only thing close to as addictive as, well crack.
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Old 12-04-2009, 11:35 PM   #77
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Maybe this convication and 26 year sentence is Amanda Knox's way of taking one for the team to distract us all from the escalation in Afghanistan. (See Tiger and Afghanistan thread).
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Quite the opposite, once you sleep with a true psycho...you know better than to go back, but it is so....uhhhh everythignt hat you cant help it.

Both these statements can be true -- you know better than to go back but you can't help it UNTIL you learn enough to avoid sleeping with crazy women.
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Old 12-05-2009, 01:26 AM   #79
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So is the consensus out there that she is guilty or not?

From what I've read in a short time, there isn't enough evidence for me to convict someone of murder. But I'd also put my money on the fact she was involved in some way.

Didn't she confess and then had it thrown out?
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Old 12-05-2009, 03:51 AM   #80
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I have no doubt she was involved somehow. Now whether or not she helped to murder her or helped to cleanup, I have no idea. That said, her changing her story is not a big deal if the evidence has nothing on her. However, with just a tad of evidence a changing story takes on a whole new meaning.
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Old 12-05-2009, 07:34 AM   #81
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So is the consensus out there that she is guilty or not?

From what I've read in a short time, there isn't enough evidence for me to convict someone of murder. But I'd also put my money on the fact she was involved in some way.

Didn't she confess and then had it thrown out?

According to 20/20 she was asked to describe what she would've done if she were there...or something to that fact. She was questioned possibly under the influence, with no lawyer, no translator, for 40+ hours. I guess it sucks to be in jail in Italy.
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I have no doubt she was involved somehow. Now whether or not she helped to murder her or helped to cleanup, I have no idea. That said, her changing her story is not a big deal if the evidence has nothing on her. However, with just a tad of evidence a changing story takes on a whole new meaning.

She did change her story several times, even when not under the influence. And they had some DNA on the alleged murder weapon.

She may not have done the actual killing, but if she was involved in any cleaning or coverup, she was a coconspirator. I don't know how it is in Italy, but here, that makes you culpable for the underlying offense.

I'm amazed at the moral outrage by some in the media to portray this as an American being railroaded. It's this year's "damsel in distress" story.
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According to 20/20 she was asked to describe what she would've done if she were there...or something to that fact. She was questioned possibly under the influence, with no lawyer, no translator, for 40+ hours. I guess it sucks to be in jail in Italy.

The no translator is new. I saw an interview with her dad where he said that she told him that the translator was not interpreting correctly and was biased.
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According to 20/20 she was asked to describe what she would've done if she were there...or something to that fact. She was questioned possibly under the influence, with no lawyer, no translator, for 40+ hours. I guess it sucks to be in jail in Italy.

So she was asked what she would have done if she had killed him? So what you're saying is...



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Is the court system in Italy corrupt and a "free-for-all", or is it just run in another way?
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Both, but leaning to being run in another way
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Old 12-05-2009, 03:52 PM   #87
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I'm always suspicious of someone changing their story. I mean if you were not home, why change your story?

But it does seem like the Italian system is pretty fucked up and that the DA is a sociopath. Also seems to be a lot of anti-American sentiment involved.
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I wonder if Obama is going to get involved in this at all?
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Nah, their system is based on the Napoleonic Code, as far as I recall. Not fucked up, just different
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I wonder if Obama is going to get involved in this at all?

They already convicted a black guy. I think he's safe.
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I think the OJ parallels are appropriate in that there was a lot of circumstantial evidence that she was heavily involved and no other plausible explanation. It then became a test of the judicial system for what you do in a case like this. OJ's lawyers won a legal battle that Knox's lawyer couldn't. It also didn't help that the boyfriend's family was caught trying to tamper with the evidence.

Personally, I think the simplest story is probably true: they decided to do something "fun", took some drugs, and things got out of hand. Maybe the victim started threatening them and they panicked.
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Old 12-07-2009, 10:23 AM   #93
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I think the OJ parallels are appropriate in that there was a lot of circumstantial evidence that she was heavily involved and no other plausible explanation. It then became a test of the judicial system for what you do in a case like this. OJ's lawyers won a legal battle that Knox's lawyer couldn't. It also didn't help that the boyfriend's family was caught trying to tamper with the evidence.


Without knowing much about the case, the other plausible explanation seems to be the African guy who was there, and had sex with the victim shortly before she died, acted alone.

Though, I didn't know about the boyfriend's family tampering with the evidence. All I've really heard about the evidence implicating Knox & Boyfriend were some violent comic books and fingerprints on a knife that didn't seem to match the wounds on the victim. And Knox's shadiness in changing the story - though I thought that was determined to be inadmissable.
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So is the consensus out there that she is guilty or not?

I'm not sure there's any consensus, per se. On one hand, it's pretty clear to even the most casual observer that neither the investigation nor the trial were handled in a particularly objective manner. On the other hand, it's also pretty clear to a relatively casual observer that even in the best possible light it's hard to conclude that Knox wasn't involved in some way.

I'm not sure the rather obvious fuckups in the investigation and trial of this case are specific to Italian justice, however. After all, it's not as if we don't execute innocent people in this country.
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Thanks for posting this.
I just read the entire article and would never have stumbled across it, if not for here.

That is an excellent piece of writing and a very powerful portrait it paints.
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I'm always suspicious of someone changing their story. I mean if you were not home, why change your story?

Because you don't want Mom and Dad to know that your year studying abroad to expand your horizons was so focused on expanding your sexual horizons?
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Looks like the prosecutor is going to end up in jail with Knox. Interesting to see if that helps her on appeal.

Amanda Knox May be Joined in Jail by Giuliano Mignini, the Prosecutor That Put Her There - Crimesider - CBS News

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Maybe the prosecutor belongs in jail for the way he handled the case?

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