Dog kills cat, cat owner shoots dog, dog owner shoots 5 people. - Page 2

Noop · 05-28-2009, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

I don't care if he is married to the dog--he cannot be justified when he starts shooting people over it.

This proved what I already thought about you. Hypocrite.

I. J. Reilly · 05-28-2009, 01:58 PM

Thank God everyone had their gun with them, things might have gotten out of hand otherwise.

TCY Junkie · 05-28-2009, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

I don't care if he is married to the dog--he cannot be justified when he starts shooting people over it.

Just because it can't be justified doesn't mean you have a better chance of hitting the lottery than getting shot if you shoot someones dog. After that, I don't want to take the odds of him being civil.

Noop · 05-28-2009, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by I. J. Reilly

Thank God everyone had their gun with them, things might have gotten out of hand otherwise.

You want to ban the owner ship of guns?

Lathum · 05-28-2009, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bad-example

If you shoot someone's pet, you are a fool of the highest order if you don't think there is a fair chance you will be shot by the pet's owner. I'm not saying you deserve to be shot, but if you are surprised by returning fire you are a moron.

I have no kids and other then those close in my life I love my dog more than anything. I can say 100% I wouldn't return fire in that situation.

Kodos · 05-28-2009, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

This proved what I already thought about you. Hypocrite.

So you're arguing that he IS justified for shooting people, including a little girl, over a dog?

Lathum · 05-28-2009, 02:01 PM

I predict this thread gets ugly soon

Noop · 05-28-2009, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

So you're arguing that he IS justified for shooting people, including a little girl, over a dog?

I didn't say that hypocrite.

CU Tiger · 05-28-2009, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

How can you say that?

The dog killed another animal, which means it is either trained to do that or it is an aggressive creature. I don't know if you grew up around animals but despite popular belief, cats and dogs don't automatically fight.

again, operating with very limited info, but if the dog killed the cat I would think it capable of attacking a child.

You are making assinine assumptions without fact.
For all we know the dog is a 200lb mastiff and perfectly loveable was laying on his own proch taking a nap and the cat attacked him, he plafully snapped back and bit the cat in half...

My wife used to have a basset hound (think flash from dukees of hazzard) her grandmothe had a toy chihuahua...they were playing together and the basset hound bit the toys head clean off....it was totally innocent just a huge size difference....

But to suggest the dodg is obviously an evil creature is a bit of a reach

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Originally Posted by DanGarion

Let's take it one step before that, if the dog didn't kill the cat none of this would have happened. So that makes your point moot.

And if thee cat doesn't enter the dogs yard it does not die....and if the cat owner did not have a cat it would not have entered the dogs yard....its all the cat owners fault.

I. J. Reilly · 05-28-2009, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

You want to ban the owner ship of guns?

I would be interested in hearing the “guns prevent crime” meme one more time.

Passacaglia · 05-28-2009, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

This proved what I already thought about you. Hypocrite.

Wait, so you think he CAN be justified for shooting people? WTF?

Noop · 05-28-2009, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by I. J. Reilly

I would be interested in hearing the “guns prevent crime” meme one more time.

I think we should keep the guns and get rid of the bullets that way we have more clubbing.

Bad-example · 05-28-2009, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I have no kids and other then those close in my life I love my dog more than anything. I can say 100% I wouldn't return fire in that situation.

Same here. Still, if you shoot someone's pet and are surprised when they shoot you, you really are too dumb to live.

Noop · 05-28-2009, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Wait, so you think he CAN be justified for shooting people? WTF?

I didn't say that at all nor was I implying that.

Passacaglia · 05-28-2009, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

I didn't say that at all nor was I implying that.

Okay. So what's hypocritical about Kodos's statement?

sterlingice · 05-28-2009, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I predict this thread gets ugly soon

Which is quite disappointing because it could have been a fun thread. No one died (except a dog) and both major pets were involved...

SI

Noop · 05-28-2009, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Okay. So what's hypocritical about Kodos's statement?

Oh ok now I get it you're defending your friend. That's cool but my comment to that bitch has nothing to do with this thread but merely a series of thread in which he likes to say things that over time do not add up.

Pumpy Tudors · 05-28-2009, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

Again operating under the what if scenario what if this guy had an attachment to his dog? What if it reminded him of his youth or something? Based some of the comments from the Michael Vick thread people love their dogs. Why is it not possible for this man to love his dog like it was child?

Again its a what if...

But is it reasonable to expect the dog owner to shoot anyone besides the man who shot his dog? If I were to hurt your dog or your brother or your grandmother, surely you would come after me, and that would make sense. Now, if you went after me, my neighbor, the assistant manager at Chick-Fil-A, and Mehmet Okur because I hurt your dog or relative, well, I think you've got to take the blame for some of that.

Lathum · 05-28-2009, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CU Tiger

You are making assinine assumptions without fact.
For all we know the dog is a 200lb mastiff and perfectly loveable was laying on his own proch taking a nap and the cat attacked him, he plafully snapped back and bit the cat in half...

I think I was VERY clear in saying we need more information and everything was an asumption.

I was operating under the assumption the dog was in the other owners yard, I apologize if I wasn't clear on that point. The overtone of the article IMO is the dog attacked the cat, but again, my interpretation.

Kodos · 05-28-2009, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

I didn't say that hypocrite.

By all means: spell out how I'm being a hyprocrite. I'm quite interested.

Passacaglia · 05-28-2009, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

Oh ok now I get it you're defending your friend. That's cool but my comment to that bitch as nothing to do with this thread but merely a series of thread in which he likes to say things that over time do not add up.

I don't know Kodos. I just don't get how saying that shooting people is unjustified is something that deserves an insult. But hey, if you guys have some history, whatevs.

Noop · 05-28-2009, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

But is it reasonable to expect the dog owner to shoot anyone besides the man who shot his dog? If I were to hurt your dog or your brother or your grandmother, surely you would come after me, and that would make sense. Now, if you went after me, my neighbor, the assistant manager at Chick-Fil-A, and Mehmet Okur because I hurt your dog or relative, well, I think you've got to take the blame for some of that.

I don't agree with him hurting people at all. I don't think he should have shoot at the guy who shot his dog either but what I think and what he was thinking are two totally different things. There were a lot of bad decisions made that made the situation much worse then it should have been.

Noop · 05-28-2009, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

By all means: spell out how I'm being a hyprocrite. I'm quite interested.

Because you are a hypocrite.

Kodos · 05-28-2009, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

Because you are a hypocrite.

Judges will love your skills at presenting a logical argument.

Kodos · 05-28-2009, 02:14 PM

I think I've figured it out. I have advocated killing GIFs in the Cool Images thread. Now, I am coming out against killing. Voila, I AM A HYPOCRITE!

Kodos · 05-28-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I don't know Kodos. I just don't get how saying that shooting people is unjustified is something that deserves an insult. But hey, if you guys have some history, whatevs.

Thanks for having my back, BFF!

DanGarion · 05-28-2009, 02:15 PM

I don't think the death of anything should result in the death of anything more. Just because you kill my ***** doesn't give me any right to kill your *****.

BYU 14 · 05-28-2009, 02:16 PM

I think the overall moral is
Idiots + Guns = Bad

Passacaglia · 05-28-2009, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

Thanks for having my back, BFF!

Ssh! I just told him I don't know you!! He might be on to us now!

CU Tiger · 05-28-2009, 02:17 PM

btw I WOULD shoot back if someone shot my dog.....I would not shoot an 8year old girl..but an adult shoots my dog intentionall I would put a bullet in thier head....of course if my dog flipped and they were protecting themselves that would be different...but if he was minding his business...eating their cat and they shot him...BANG

Cringer · 05-28-2009, 02:19 PM

Holy crap. After reading through this thread I am not sure if I want to shot most of you or just shoot myself to end the pain.

Pumpy Tudors · 05-28-2009, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

I don't agree with him hurting people at all. I don't think he should have shoot at the guy who shot his dog either but what I think and what he was thinking are two totally different things. There were a lot of bad decisions made that made the situation much worse then it should have been.

Regardless of what anyone else thinks about his actions, it is not reasonable to expect that he will shoot innocent people because his dog got shot. In my mind, here is the limit of what's reasonable:

Cat owner shoots dog. Cat owner has created an environment in which he may be shot and his property may get damaged.

That's it. The cat owner has not created a reasonable environment in which innocent people get shot. Again, this is just my opinion, and I can't say how the law would view it. To me, it just seems that you can only be responsible for the reasonable (and I keep using that word intentionally) results of your actions. The cat owner did not bring the innocent people into the situation unless they were directly in the line of fire. If that is the case, then I agree he put them in danger and is responsible. If they were not in the line of fire and only got shot because the dog owner went nuts, their injuries are totally on the dog owner. Yes, the dog owner was unwillingly put into a rage, but that doesn't give him the right to take that rage out on whatever or whomever he wishes.

Lathum · 05-28-2009, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CU Tiger

btw I WOULD shoot back if someone shot my dog.....I would not shoot an 8year old girl..but an adult shoots my dog intentionall I would put a bullet in thier head....

So avenging your dog would be worth a lengthy jail sentence?

Noop · 05-28-2009, 02:25 PM

Pumpy I am not sure what you're getting at? I agree with you for the most part.

gstelmack · 05-28-2009, 02:29 PM

The moral of the story is that cat owners need to stop letting their cats wander the neighborhood...

sabotai · 05-28-2009, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DanGarion

I don't think the death of anything should result in the death of anything more. Just because you kill my ***** doesn't give me any right to kill your *****.

I love Mad Libs!!!

Ok, looking for 2 nouns, obviously, so I will answer with "banana" and "paper shredder".

"I don't think the death of anything should result in the death of anything more. Just because you kill my banana doesn't give me any right to kill your paper shredder."

LOL!!!

Pumpy Tudors · 05-28-2009, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

Pumpy I am not sure what you're getting at? I agree with you for the most part.

Call me a puddle of goo, but I was under the impression that you were willing to pin responsibility for the entire situation on the guy who shot the dog. I believe you even said that you would want him to get a lengthy prison sentence, and I didn't think it was only because he shot the dog. I inferred that you advocated a prison sentence because he shot the dog and caused a domino effect that led to several other people being shot as well.

Or am I wrong?

Pumpy Tudors · 05-28-2009, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sabotai

I love Mad Libs!!!

Ok, looking for 2 nouns, obviously, so I will answer with "banana" and "paper shredder".

"I don't think the death of anything should result in the death of anything more. Just because you kill my banana doesn't give me any right to kill your paper shredder."

LOL!!!

this is pretty much epic

Noop · 05-28-2009, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

Call me a puddle of goo, but I was under the impression that you were willing to pin responsibility for the entire situation on the guy who shot the dog. I believe you even said that you would want him to get a lengthy prison sentence, and I didn't think it was only because he shot the dog. I inferred that you advocated a prison sentence because he shot the dog and caused a domino effect that led to several other people being shot as well.

Or am I wrong?

No I wondered if a judge would make the cat owner share some blame in what happened. Kind of like if I start a fight in a club and during the melee someone broke their arm I could be held responsible.

Pumpy Tudors · 05-28-2009, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

Well I am not sure if the legal system sees it the same as me but he is responsible for everything that happened isn't he? If he does not shoot the dog that man does not go ape shit. I would hope he gets a lengthy prison sentence but that's if they see it the way I do.

Then I somehow grossly misread this.

BrianD · 05-28-2009, 02:34 PM

Is it weird that someone shooting one of my beloved pets wouldn't even make me think of looking for a gun?

Lathum · 05-28-2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

Is it weird that someone shooting one of my beloved pets wouldn't even make me think of looking for a gun?

no

Noop · 05-28-2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

Then I somehow grossly misread this.

No I tend not to make well thought out statements

TCY Junkie · 05-28-2009, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

No I tend not to make well thought out statements

I completely understood you.

KWhit · 05-28-2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

Is it weird that someone shooting one of my beloved pets wouldn't even make me think of looking for a gun?

Not weird at all. I think that is the perfectly reasonable, rational response.

KWhit · 05-28-2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by CU Tiger

btw I WOULD shoot back if someone shot my dog.....I would not shoot an 8year old girl..but an adult shoots my dog intentionall I would put a bullet in thier head....of course if my dog flipped and they were protecting themselves that would be different...but if he was minding his business...eating their cat and they shot him...BANG

niiiiiiiiice.

Pumpy Tudors · 05-28-2009, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

No I tend not to make well thought out statements

Well, if you say so. I can neither agree nor disagree with that point.

Speaking for myself, I think I'm better suited to posting stupid jokes, pictures of myself, and bad picks in hockey drafts. Debating seriously on the internet just ain't my thing. No harm done!

Kodos · 05-28-2009, 03:16 PM

Maybe you can photoshop your face onto a picture of Michael Vick executing an underperforming dog.

JonInMiddleGA · 05-28-2009, 03:48 PM

I was just wondering where the part about the location of the dog's attack on the cat came from.

Here's the Charlotte Observer version of the story but it also doesn't say where that happened either.

Around 11 p.m. Wednesday night, the sheriff's office says, a man's pit bull dog attacked and killed a neighbor's cat, and the cat's owner responded by shooting and killing the dog. Then, authorities say, the dog's owner got into an altercation with the neighbor, shooting him and his daughter.

A different version of the story by the same writer appears in the RaleighNews-Observer and adds this detail
Neighbors told reporters at the scene that the dispute actually goes back several months, when the dog bit a girl in the neighborhood.

flounder · 05-28-2009, 03:57 PM

How much time passed between the cat getting killed and the guy shooting the dog? If the dog was in the process of killing the cat, I don't have a problem with the guy shooting it. If it was later, shooting the dog was pretty reckless.

Either way it doesn't excuse the dog owner from flipping out.

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CU Tiger Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Backwoods, SC	btw I WOULD shoot back if someone shot my dog.....I would not shoot an 8year old girl..but an adult shoots my dog intentionall I would put a bullet in thier head....of course if my dog flipped and they were protecting themselves that would be different...but if he was minding his business...eating their cat and they shot him...BANG

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JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	I was just wondering where the part about the location of the dog's attack on the cat came from. Here's the Charlotte Observer version of the story but it also doesn't say where that happened either. Around 11 p.m. Wednesday night, the sheriff's office says, a man's pit bull dog attacked and killed a neighbor's cat, and the cat's owner responded by shooting and killing the dog. Then, authorities say, the dog's owner got into an altercation with the neighbor, shooting him and his daughter. A different version of the story by the same writer appears in the RaleighNews-Observer and adds this detail Neighbors told reporters at the scene that the dispute actually goes back several months, when the dog bit a girl in the neighborhood. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis Last edited by JonInMiddleGA : 05-28-2009 at 03:52 PM.

05-28-2009, 03:57 PM	#100
flounder High School Varsity Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lynchburg, VA	How much time passed between the cat getting killed and the guy shooting the dog? If the dog was in the process of killing the cat, I don't have a problem with the guy shooting it. If it was later, shooting the dog was pretty reckless. Either way it doesn't excuse the dog owner from flipping out.

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