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Old 03-30-2009, 03:09 PM   #51
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So we're looking at MBBF vs GE round 2?

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Old 03-30-2009, 03:12 PM   #52
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That's one of the two reasons I posted "lol" earlier. #2 was GE's apparent assumption that talk to = hire.
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Old 03-30-2009, 03:13 PM   #53
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Potentially interesting situation with the UK job mentioned in their local newspaper's latest article. Gillespie had apparently agreed to scholarships with five underclassmen, including an eighth-grader. When those deals were criticized, the university president assured everyone that they would be honored regardless of what might happen down the road but today he's backing off that a bit.
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Old 03-30-2009, 03:15 PM   #54
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Anderson's wife is from Memphis.

Look, I really don't want Anderson. I want Cal.
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Old 03-30-2009, 03:15 PM   #55
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Aye, you're right. I don't think it used to be that way (and I am thinking back 15 years).

I don't think its VERY rare that schools do so anymore - I think in particular they do not like players following coaches (who they usually consider to be breaking their contract) to their new school. I think the Tiller situation is the exception rather than the rule.

I will be interesting to see what happens with DeMarcus Cousins, the #2 or #3 player in this year's class. He is unsigned, but committed to Memphis.

Interestingly, UAB is in the middle of the Cousins situation, seemingly taking a contrary stance to what they did with Tiller. He was going to sign with UAB in November, but wanted written assurance that they would issue his release if Mike Davis was not their coach. They would not provide such assurance, and he opted to commit to Memphis without signing an LOI. I sincerely doubt he goes to Memphis now. Could he end up back at UAB? Does Kentucky have room for him?

Cousins never signed a LOI with UAB, which is a much different situation than the signed LOI by Tiller.

I can't even remember the last player in the B12 conference who was denied a release from his LOI if the coach left. Common practice is to wait for the new coach to be signed so they have a chance to talk with the committed recruit. If the recruit doesn't feel like he wants to stay after talking with the recruits, then the school almost always releases the player. The only condition that most schools put on the release is that they don't sign a LOI in the same conference. That shouldn't be a problem in the Memphis situation, since any recruits would likely not be transferring to another Conference USA school.

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Old 03-30-2009, 03:18 PM   #56
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Anderson's wife is from Memphis.

Look, I really don't want Anderson. I want Cal.

There you go. They've been granted permission to talk to him and his wife's from there, so it must be a done deal.

The fact that the Memphis Rivals site is saying that the Memphis program is a step down from Mizzou must be a blow to that 'elite' status that Memphis is trying to claim.
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Old 03-30-2009, 03:24 PM   #57
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There you go. They've been granted permission to talk to him and his wife's from there, so it must be a done deal.

The fact that the Memphis Rivals site is saying that the Memphis program is a step down from Mizzou must be a blow to that 'elite' status that Memphis is trying to claim.

I am glad I am a Rivals subscriber because until now I didn't realize how definitive a source it truly was.
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Old 03-30-2009, 03:25 PM   #58
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Of course Memphis is a step down from Missouri, I mean look at Missouri's storied history of basketball success.
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Old 03-30-2009, 03:28 PM   #59
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Of course Memphis is a step down from Missouri, I mean look at Missouri's storied history of basketball success.

Missouri's success is like a tsunami.
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Old 03-30-2009, 03:29 PM   #60
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Of course Memphis is a step down from Missouri, I mean look at Missouri's storied history of basketball success.

Can't disagree with you. With Calipari leaving the program, my comparison to UNLV's short run of success appears to ring even more true. Memphis can only hope that Calipari's dirty laundry doesn't get dug up, much like what happened to Tark after his big run at UNLV.
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Old 03-30-2009, 03:32 PM   #61
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Can't disagree with you. With Calipari leaving the program, my comparison to UNLV's short run of success appears to ring even more true. Memphis can only hope that Calipari's dirty laundry doesn't get dug up, much like what happened to Tark after his big run at UNLV.

Are you seriously stating that Memphis had no substantial success at basketball before Calipari came on board?
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Old 03-30-2009, 03:34 PM   #62
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Cal is pitching Tony Barbee to be his replacement at Memphis. Rumor is that if they hire Barbee, Cal will not take any players with him and will not ask for Henry to be let out of his LOI or pursue Cousins and Wall to come to UK.

I still don't see that happening.
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Old 03-30-2009, 03:36 PM   #63
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WMC-TV in Memphis is reporting that Witherspoon and Sallie will transfer to UK. But who knows.
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Old 03-30-2009, 03:38 PM   #64
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Are you seriously stating that Memphis had no substantial success at basketball before Calipari came on board?

Certainly not. They won several mid-major conference championships before he showed up. They don't carry the status that a program like Mizzou carries, whether you choose to believe it or not. With Calipari gone and the recruits leaving in droves, it's likely to go back down in a hurry. They still may win that conference moving forward, but they won't be the national contender that they have been over the last 3-4 years.
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Old 03-30-2009, 03:40 PM   #65
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Certainly not. They won several mid-major conference championships before he showed up. They don't carry the status that a program like Mizzou carries, whether you choose to believe it or not. With Calipari gone and the recruits leaving in droves, it's likely to go back down in a hurry. They still may win that conference moving forward, but they won't be the national contender that they have been over the last 3-4 years.

You are really showing your ignorance of college basketball history.
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These look fairly similar to me. Maybe I should count or something, though. Actually based on this I'd give the nod to Memphis.

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Old 03-30-2009, 03:43 PM   #67
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You are really showing your ignorance of college basketball history.

Like I said in previous threads, I find it hilarious how some Memphis fans complain about their mid-major standing. There's nothing wrong with playing in a weaker conference and winning against inferior competition over the last few years. It's what has allowed Memphis to be relevant on the national scene.
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Old 03-30-2009, 03:44 PM   #68
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Old 03-30-2009, 03:46 PM   #69
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Old 03-30-2009, 03:47 PM   #70
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These look fairly similar to me. Maybe I should count or something, though. Actually based on this I'd give the nod to Memphis.

Memphis is in a mid-major conference. That's the only way they've been able to even match Mizzou's numbers. Before Calipari came to the school, Mizzou was a clear leader. Only Calipari and his recruits along with Mizzou being 'Quin'd' allowed it to get close.

Regardless, it's a silly argument. Anderson isn't going to Memphis. He'll use it as a way to increase his salary expectations at Mizzou. More power to him.
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Old 03-30-2009, 03:47 PM   #71
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These look fairly similar to me. Maybe I should count or something, though. Actually based on this I'd give the nod to Memphis.

Memphis has definitely had more success in basketball than Missouri, that's really not debatable. But Missouri's in a more prestigious conference. So maybe it's a wash

Neither program is remotely elite though. They're both been to the tournament 22 times, same as schools like DePaul, West Virigina, Iowa, NC State. That's sounds about right in terms of what tier we're talking about.

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That's why I used tournament success as a measuring stick and not conference acheivements.
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Old 03-30-2009, 03:48 PM   #73
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Like I said in previous threads, I find it hilarious how some Memphis fans complain about their mid-major standing. There's nothing wrong with playing in a weaker conference and winning against inferior competition over the last few years. It's what has allowed Memphis to be relevant on the national scene.

That's not what you said a few posts above. You said that Memphis' only success pre-Calipari was "a few mid-major conference championships".
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Old 03-30-2009, 03:49 PM   #74
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Old 03-30-2009, 03:50 PM   #75
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Neither program is remotely elite though. They're both been to the tournament 22 times, same as schools like DePaul, West Virigina, Iowa, NC State. That's sounds about right in terms of what tier we're talking about.

And it should be noted that no Mizzou fans have claimed that their program is elite. The same cannot be said of the Memphis fans on this board. I absolutely agree with your assessment that any Memphis fan that says their program is elite is out of their mind.
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Old 03-30-2009, 03:54 PM   #76
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That's not what you said a few posts above. You said that Memphis' only success pre-Calipari was "a few mid-major conference championships".

1973 and 2008 have been their only significant runs (1985 was thrown out of the books). If you consider one big run previous to Calipari as significant, so be it. Mizzou has been to the Elite Eight four times. I don't think their achievements would have been any more significant if one of those teams made a Final Four. Either you win the thing or you go home.
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Old 03-30-2009, 04:00 PM   #78
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Right, there is only one good team every year. None of the others matter.

Absolutely. That's the goal that Mike Anderson set for Mizzou. I agree with that thinking. It worked pretty well at Arkansas.

BTW, evidently the Memphis Rivals site has some lousy sources. Missouri has said that Memphis has not requested to talk with Coach Anderson at this point, though they said it is an option if they do ask for permission.

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Old 03-30-2009, 04:01 PM   #79
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Absolutely. That's the goal that Mike Anderson set for Mizzou. I agree with that thinking. It worked pretty well at Arkansas.


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Old 03-30-2009, 04:02 PM   #81
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Just looking at the NCAA Tournament history, Memphis is a superior program to Missouri.

Looking at records this year, Memphis had more wins than Missouri.
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1973 and 2008 have been their only significant runs (1985 was thrown out of the books). If you consider one big run previous to Calipari as significant, so be it. Mizzou has been to the Elite Eight four times. I don't think their achievements would have been any more significant if one of those teams made a Final Four. Either you win the thing or you go home.

And since Mizzou has never won the thing?
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dola, is this "replying to posts dripping with sarcasm and pretending they were genuine" shtick a new thing for MBBF or has this been going on for awhile? I like it, adds to the disdain.
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dola, is this "replying to posts dripping with sarcasm and pretending they were genuine" shtick a new thing for MBBF or has this been going on for awhile? I like it, adds to the disdain.

It's been going on for awhile.
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Old 03-30-2009, 04:05 PM   #85
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1973 and 2008 have been their only significant runs (1985 was thrown out of the books). If you consider one big run previous to Calipari as significant, so be it. Mizzou has been to the Elite Eight four times. I don't think their achievements would have been any more significant if one of those teams made a Final Four. Either you win the thing or you go home.

One of the few times I've found myself (ugh) kind of siding with the Memphis folks in this ongoing debate (no love lost between Vol fans and that little school to the west).

Maybe it's because I'm just barely old enough to remember the run in '73 that Memphis gets a better cachet.

And on the point about the Final Four versus the Elite Eight, I completely disagree in terms of perception. People can kind of remember teams that get to the Final Four (at least with aided recall) but Elite Eight runs are largely anonymous except for the schools who have those as a highwater mark.

On the whole, I'm with Molson I think. He summed up my feelings about both programs pretty well as far as status goes.
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And since Mizzou has never won the thing?

We still have not reached the goal. It's the reason Mizzou and Memphis have no business being called an elite program.
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And on the point about the Final Four versus the Elite Eight, I completely disagree in terms of perception. People can kind of remember teams that get to the Final Four (at least with aided recall) but Elite Eight runs are largely anonymous except for the schools who have those as a highwater mark.


Totally agree. Final Fours are one of the major barometers of success and prestige for a program. National titles obviously mean more, but Final Fours are a critical measuring stick. Pretending that anything but a title is meaningless is ridiculous.
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But it's your contention that one is less elite than the other right? I mean, you're claiming moving from Mizzou to Memphis is a step down, that must mean that Mizzou is a step up. Memphis has won the thing twice and Mizzou are tournament virgins. I'm not sure how you can take the attitude that Memphis is a step down and that winning the whole thing is the only thing that matters.
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But it's your contention that one is less elite than the other right? I mean, you're claiming moving from Mizzou to Memphis is a step down, that must mean that Mizzou is a step up. Memphis has won the thing twice and Mizzou are tournament virgins. I'm not sure how you can take the attitude that Memphis is a step down and that winning the whole thing is the only thing that matters.

Memphis has won the thing twice? You might want to let Memphis know.

Anderson isn't going anywhere because there's no question that Mizzou is the better option if you're a head coach and you want to choose the program that gives you the best opportunity to win a NCAA championship. The rest of this discussion revolves around Memphis fans and their belief that their program is somehow elite. It's not.
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What's not true in that statement? Coach Anderson did a great job coaching this team to a high level of play this year and putting them in a position to play for a Final Four spot. He has the pieces in place to continue to improve this program. There's little reason to believe that Coach Anderson can't continue to get this program to improve. Kansas fans would be the first ones to begrudgingly admit that.
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I'm in no way a Memphis fan, but to say that a school that has played in two national title games offers less of a chance to win a NC than a school that hasn't made it past the Elite Eight is simply ludicrous.
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I'm in no way a Memphis fan, but to say that a school that has played in two national title games offers less of a chance to win a NC than a school that hasn't made it past the Elite Eight is simply ludicrous.

The fact that your logic allows you to think that a mid-major team with what amounts to an empty cupboard after a coaching change is better equipped than an Elite Eight team who beat previously mentioned team and returns 9 players speaks volumes.
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The fact that your logic allows you to think that a mid-major team with what amounts to an empty cupboard after a coaching change is better equipped than an Elite Eight team who beat previously mentioned team and returns 9 players speaks volumes.

So they are canceling College Basketball after next season?
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Old 03-30-2009, 04:41 PM   #100
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I am excited to hear West Virginia mentioned in the same breath as college basketball super-power Memphis. We have arrived on the main stage now!

FYP, at least until Cal officially leaves.
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