24 Season 7 Thread - Page 2

path12 · 03-25-2009, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Arles

And don't forget the inevitable "ARE YOU WILLING TO RISK YOUR CAREER TO PROTECT JACK BAUER"

That comes up atleast 4-5 times for different people.

I swear that came up 4-5 times last episode alone.

NoSkillz · 04-16-2009, 08:38 AM

I guess I'm not surprised at how little attention this show is getting now after being stale for so long but MAN, this season has been solid.

Great episode this week, with Tony continuing to show shades of grey. Guess I could have done without the 'mature' Kim Bauer returning yet still calling Jack "daddy". I imagine she's going to stick around to help save Jack from the infection.

Still, it's been a very good year and getting out of CTU was the best thing the producers and writers could have done to freshen things up.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 04-16-2009, 08:40 AM

Tony's just going EXTRA DEEP undercover.

Logan · 04-16-2009, 08:42 AM

This season has been fantastic but they should've just called it "18" and ended it this week. The Tony twist makes no fucking sense at all.

Kodos · 04-16-2009, 08:59 AM

I think it'd be cool, if the ratings were bad and they knew it was the final season, to let Jack finally die.

M GO BLUE!!! · 04-16-2009, 09:39 AM

Part of me went "Tony... NO!" the other part laughed hysterically.

I do hope that they kill Kim though.

hoopsguy · 04-16-2009, 09:56 AM

I agree that this season has been very strong up to this point. Sure there have been some silly plots, but nothing that feels like 3 lost hours (Kim's amnesia in season 1, presidents wife is loopy/on pills a couple of years back).

Going into the year, I was ready to write this one off a couple of episodes in if it stunk but I've enjoyed the ride.

DanGarion · 04-16-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Logan

This season has been fantastic but they should've just called it "18" and ended it this week. The Tony twist makes no fucking sense at all.

But I'm sure it will in 2 episodes.

lungs · 04-16-2009, 10:18 AM

How many hours are left? How many more times will Jack go rogue?

Kodos · 04-16-2009, 10:29 AM

As many times as it takes to stop the terrorists, son.

Logan · 04-16-2009, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DanGarion

But I'm sure it will in 2 episodes.

If it's fixed, it will only be because they've created some other implausible scenario with different plot holes.

DanGarion · 04-16-2009, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

If it's fixed, it will only be because they've created some other implausible scenario with different plot holes.

But that is what's so awesome about this show.

flounder · 04-16-2009, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

This season has been fantastic but they should've just called it "18" and ended it this week. The Tony twist makes no fucking sense at all.

+1

I was really enjoying this season until that.

DanGarion · 04-16-2009, 04:08 PM

Season 8 info. Warning spoilers!

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Honolulu_Blue · 04-16-2009, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

This season has been fantastic but they should've just called it "18" and ended it this week. The Tony twist makes no fucking sense at all.

While I stopped watching the show midway through last season, that's always been the problem with it. There comes a time in the season, typically it's right around hour 18 when they seem to have run out of ideas and throw some random, crazy stupid ass shit in just to stretch it out a few more hours.

There was his wife's 1 hour amensia in the first season, there was the mugging of the Middle Eastern Jack Bauer guy by the random rednecks wandering around downtown L.A. in another season, and other similar events...

Logan · 04-16-2009, 04:24 PM

In fairness though, in past seasons it happened much more frequently and earlier as well. There were a couple points this year where the normal eye-roll wasn't even enough to capture the ridiculousness (like the ease at tunneling into the White House), but a lack of realism is different than this latest "fuck you" insult to the audience.

sabotai · 04-16-2009, 05:02 PM

I thought Tony's twist make perfect sense...

Logan · 04-16-2009, 05:10 PM

Explain please.

path12 · 04-16-2009, 05:27 PM

As the new guy to 24, I can't say I was surprised by the Tony angle -- hell, there's seven(?) hours to go! Ms.path the 24 veteran just rolled her eyes and sighed. She loves that Tony Almeida.

Travis · 04-16-2009, 05:31 PM

Just wait until the 20 hour mark when "Tony" pulls off his face to reveal that it's actually Michelle, who is not dead, but has just been wearing a Tony suit to enact her revenge plot.

sabotai · 04-16-2009, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

Explain please.

I'd have to go back and read exactly what has happened to give a full rundown (Season 7 - Wiki 24 - has basically the book version of the season so far. They have a word-for-word run down of every episode). I don't want to talk details from memory because my memory sucks.

Cliff Notes version is that Tony assured Jack that he would turn himself in, but he'd then disappear and show up later with some "new intel" he got from supposedly following a lead. He always had some new intel, but we never knew where he got it from. I don't think Tony planned on ending up at Starkwood, killing Larry, or many other things, but he just never acted much like a "good guy".

I have no idea what Tony's original plan was or what exactly is his goal now (other than seemingly to obtain that bio weapon), but what doesn't make sense to me is that he would just turn himself over. If he wanted to just flee and disappear, he could have. If he really was going to turn himself in, he would have done so already. He was sticking around for a reason and making sure he was always in a position to stay out of custody for just a little longer.

Now, if they come back next week and have Tony say something along the lines of "Haha, I planned it all, ain't I a genius?" THEN I'll be like "What!? Fucking bullshit!" *change channel*. He's clearly been improsing for quite awhile and there's no possible way he planned much of what happened the last several hours, if anything at all. But throughout the season, Tony's been secretative, disappearing and reappearing at the right times, and always seemed to be working on the darker shade of gray. I'm not at all surprised he "turned" and think it makes perfect sense with the direction his character arc (and the plot in general) has been going. Killing Larry was just an unfortunate, but needed, improvision.

But like I said, one misstep and it will go from "I can totally see how this makes sense" to "Oh fuck you 24".

Given past seasons, I'm not optimistic it will stay the former. (I stopped watching last season after the first 4 or 5 episodes because it went the "Fuckin' give me a break" route so early)

NoSkillz · 04-16-2009, 07:24 PM

Anyone here think there's any chance of Larry being alive due to the fact they didn't have the 'silent sendoff' (ie: no beeping noise at the end of the show) for him?

Perhaps that's just reserved for long-time characters though but I was a bit surprised when the show ended, as normal.

thealmighty · 04-16-2009, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sabotai

I'd have to...

What's the matter with you, sab? This is a thread about 24 and that makes sense. Incongruity.

Now go watch a movie and write it up, for god's sakes.

sabotai · 04-16-2009, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by thealmighty

Now go watch a movie and write it up, for god's sakes.

Ok.

Radii · 04-17-2009, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis

Just wait until the 20 hour mark when "Tony" pulls off his face to reveal that it's actually Michelle, who is not dead, but has just been wearing a Tony suit to enact her revenge plot.

That would be awesome. If there was anyone on the show I had the hots for more than Chloe, it was Michelle.

the tony thing wasn't really a surprise given 24's history and the amount of time left. He's looked shady all season, there have been 4 or 5 times when I expected him to turn and was always surprised that he hadn't.

Logan · 04-17-2009, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by NoSkillz

Anyone here think there's any chance of Larry being alive due to the fact they didn't have the 'silent sendoff' (ie: no beeping noise at the end of the show) for him?

Perhaps that's just reserved for long-time characters though but I was a bit surprised when the show ended, as normal.

Renee got the silent clock in that episode where they buried her, and she obviously had a shorter run than Larry at that point.

And to sab...I totally see where you're coming from, and yeah it makes sense for Tony to take another turn. But like you said, my problem with it is there is no way it makes logical sense for this to have been some master plan (and how could it not be, given that he was "in" with that black dude).

kingfc22 · 04-18-2009, 11:17 PM

Didn't see that one coming, but not surprising having watched all seasons of 24.

Somebody is always going from bad to good to bad again.

Logan · 04-21-2009, 10:15 AM

Yep, no indication yet as to how Tony planned all this out. Still an excellent episode, I'm glad they didn't draw out Jack realizing what Tony had done.

Biggest surprise of the episode for me was when they showed Kim's husband and I realized I went to high school with the guy. Amazingly enough, his HS girlfriend was hotter than Elisha Cuthbert.

DeToxRox · 04-21-2009, 10:16 AM

I think it's fairly obvious Tony put the pussy on a pedestal.

I am partly joking. I sure hope that isn't why.

TheNorm · 04-21-2009, 10:25 AM

Well good luck, Tony. When Jack's feeling just a bit better he's going to destroy you.

Great season so far.

sabotai · 04-21-2009, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

Yep, no indication yet as to how Tony planned all this out.

We found out Tony works for other people and that the owner of Starkwood worked for those same people. We also found out that those people got uberpissed when the owner of Starkwood (can't think of his name) used the bio weapon for his own purposes. I'm guessing that's when they informed Tony of his new objective, to get the bio weapon out of Starkwood and destroy the evidence (blow up the fuel tanks, etc).

Logan · 04-21-2009, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by sabotai

We found out Tony works for other people and that the owner of Starkwood worked for those same people. We also found out that those people got uberpissed when the owner of Starkwood (can't think of his name) used the bio weapon for his own purposes. I'm guessing that's when they informed Tony of his new objective, to get the bio weapon out of Starkwood and destroy the evidence (blow up the fuel tanks, etc).

Ok, that's fine and all, but Tony was able get be on the Starkwood property alone to blow up the fuel tanks and convince the Starkwood guy to help him grab the cannister because (and let's follow this

)...

Tony was being held in Starkwood by that one bad dude. Seiden then "shot" said dude and told Tony he wanted to rat on Hodges and would do so for a Presidential pardon. That's when Larry and the FBI ended up at the one building where Seiden told them the weapons were being housed. Turns out that wasn't the case and the FBI encounters the Starkwood army, led by the formerly shot dude. Seiden sacrificed himself to protect Hodges. At this point, they know they're screwed, so Jack convinces Larry to back everyone off, but to create a diversion so Tony can stick around and be the eyes on the ground. Then we see Larry punch that one dude and Tony grabs a soldier's pack and hides. Sooo...how was all of that planned by Tony?

They could say that Seiden is working with the other organization, but then it wouldn't make sense that he wouldn't have just led the FBI to the right building if he wanted to destroy the missiles like the org wanted. And even then, you still have Jack and Larry being the principle people who allowed Tony to stick around the base.

sabotai · 04-21-2009, 03:35 PM

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Ok, that's fine and all, but Tony was able get be on the Starkwood property alone to blow up the fuel tanks and convince the Starkwood guy to help him grab the cannister

It's pretty clear he convinced the one guy to help him a good amount of time before he blew up the tanks. While Tony was blowing up the tanks, the other guy was taking a canister of the bio weapon out of the area. We have no idea when Tony turned him.

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Sooo...how was all of that planned by Tony?

I already said last week that he's been improvising to stay out of custody, and plans change based on changing situations. If Tony wasn't able to stay on the base, he or the organization would have come up with a different plan to get the bioweapon out and punish Hodges. Tony would have come up with some other way to stay out of custody. In fact, he was probably well on his way to getting an immediate pardon since Jack had already convinced the President to essentially do that.

Just because something happened one way doesn't mean it was the only way it could have happened and that it must have been part of a master plan.

Logan · 04-21-2009, 03:40 PM

I call all of that a plot hole. Multiple actually.

path12 · 04-22-2009, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

I call all of that a plot hole. Multiple actually.

It's my impression that it'd be easier to tighten up Octomom than the holes in 24. I'm enjoying it though (which I doubt would be the case with Octomom).

M GO BLUE!!! · 04-22-2009, 02:21 PM

Tony should know something about assuming someone will die.

I don't thing Jack will like this very much.

I also think the Vice-Pres has a hand in all this.

M GO BLUE!!! · 04-27-2009, 11:22 PM

Oops!

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sabotai · 04-28-2009, 12:37 AM

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Oops!

Spoiler

Yes.

flounder · 04-28-2009, 06:57 AM

I'm still not buying it.

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Arles · 04-28-2009, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!

Oops!

Spoiler

This is one loophole I understand. Once Jack knew Tony was involved and helped the guy escape, it was safe to assume the other guy was a stooge for Tony. And, if you found Tony, you would find the canister.

Looking for the other guy at that point wouldn't gain you much.

Logan · 04-28-2009, 03:27 PM

To that point though, the last Jack and co knew, the two were separated. If you found the random dude, there's a chance he would not have met Tony yet to give him the cannister.

Radii · 04-28-2009, 03:32 PM

All this logic will ruin your enjoyment of 24! Instead lets revel in the scene where Chloe gets to be a total bitch to Jeneane Garofalo. That was awesome.

Logan · 04-28-2009, 03:39 PM

Nah, the only thing that hurt this season for me (and brought it down from the classic level of S1) is the Tony turn, again because it still doesn't make sense from a logical, event by event standpoint (sorry sab). All the rest of it is just message board stuff to argue about

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M GO BLUE!!! · 04-28-2009, 03:59 PM

I did notice something in this episode I had not really noticed before.

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sabotai · 04-28-2009, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Radii

All this logic will ruin your enjoyment of 24! Instead lets revel in the scene where Chloe gets to be a total bitch to Jeneane Garofalo. That was awesome.

It was even better when Jack got in her face and yelled at her because of her whining. That's something I think we've all wanted to do at some point.

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Nah, the only thing that hurt this season for me (and brought it down from the classic level of S1) is the Tony turn, again because it still doesn't make sense from a logical, event by event standpoint (sorry sab). All the rest of it is just message board stuff to argue about

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Would it hurt your feelings if I told you I honestly couldn't give a shit if you thought it was logical or not?

I think the turn is completely logical with how the season has played out and Tony's behavior from the first episode, but the execution of it has been under par.

Logan · 04-28-2009, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sabotai

Would it hurt your feelings if I told you I honestly couldn't give a shit if you thought it was logical or not?

I think the turn is completely logical with how the season has played out and Tony's behavior from the first episode, but the execution of it has been under par.

Haha...I fully agree with this, don't worry.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 05-06-2009, 09:57 AM

Just watched the last 3 episodes last night. Still enjoying this season, but both the concept and particularly the execution of THE GROUP with fleeting glimpses of eyeballs and mouths and voice distortion machines was fucking stupid.

Logan · 05-06-2009, 12:02 PM

Sports Guy said it well:

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3. Continuing the Jack Bauer and Dwyane Wade parallels, "24" is falling apart as fast as Wade's MVP campaign and postseason did. I actually fell asleep during Monday night's episode. I do not normally fall asleep during TV shows that I enjoy. This season's writing staff threw a phenomenal 6 2/3 innings and completely ran out of gas. To paraphrase Jack, "Tell me what happened to the good ideas!!! TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED TO THE GOOD IDEAS!!!!"

sabotai · 05-11-2009, 10:13 PM

Kim being central to the season finale? This is going to be the worst season finale ever, isn't it?

Logan · 05-12-2009, 07:44 AM

They really shit the bed on that one. Way to piss off even the fans who will defend anything.

04-16-2009, 08:38 AM	#52
NoSkillz College Benchwarmer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: St. Catharines, Canada	I guess I'm not surprised at how little attention this show is getting now after being stale for so long but MAN, this season has been solid. Great episode this week, with Tony continuing to show shades of grey. Guess I could have done without the 'mature' Kim Bauer returning yet still calling Jack "daddy". I imagine she's going to stick around to help save Jack from the infection. Still, it's been a very good year and getting out of CTU was the best thing the producers and writers could have done to freshen things up. __________________ MY CURRENT FM19 DYNASTY - FM19: "Ludere causa Ludendi - To Play for the Sake of Playing" - Queen's Park FC (Scottish League Two) MY OLD FM11 DYNASTY - FM11: From Semi-Pro Minnows to the EPL - Dover Athletic FC My Personal Blog - Now on the Tee - Golf, Sports, Poker, Life 2006 GOLDEN SCRIBE AWARD WINNER FOR BEST 'OTHER SPORT' DYNASTY - EHM2005: Sharpening Swords in Buffalo

04-16-2009, 08:40 AM	#53
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	Tony's just going EXTRA DEEP undercover. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

04-16-2009, 08:59 AM	#55
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	I think it'd be cool, if the ratings were bad and they knew it was the final season, to let Jack finally die. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

04-16-2009, 10:29 AM	#60
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	As many times as it takes to stop the terrorists, son. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

04-16-2009, 04:08 PM	#64
DanGarion Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Great Northwest	Season 8 info. Warning spoilers! Spoiler Jack Bauer is taking on the Big Apple - TV Squad __________________ Los Angeles Dodgers Check out the FOFC Groups on Facebook! and Reddit! DON'T REPORT ME BRO!

04-16-2009, 08:42 AM	#54
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	This season has been fantastic but they should've just called it "18" and ended it this week. The Tony twist makes no fucking sense at all.

04-16-2009, 09:39 AM	#56
M GO BLUE!!! Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005	Part of me went "Tony... NO!" the other part laughed hysterically. I do hope that they kill Kim though.

04-16-2009, 09:56 AM	#57
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I agree that this season has been very strong up to this point. Sure there have been some silly plots, but nothing that feels like 3 lost hours (Kim's amnesia in season 1, presidents wife is loopy/on pills a couple of years back). Going into the year, I was ready to write this one off a couple of episodes in if it stunk but I've enjoyed the ride.

04-16-2009, 10:18 AM	#59
lungs Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Prairie du Sac, WI	How many hours are left? How many more times will Jack go rogue?

04-16-2009, 04:24 PM	#66
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	In fairness though, in past seasons it happened much more frequently and earlier as well. There were a couple points this year where the normal eye-roll wasn't even enough to capture the ridiculousness (like the ease at tunneling into the White House), but a lack of realism is different than this latest "fuck you" insult to the audience.

04-16-2009, 05:02 PM	#67
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	I thought Tony's twist make perfect sense...

04-16-2009, 05:10 PM	#68
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Explain please.

04-16-2009, 05:27 PM	#69
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	As the new guy to 24, I can't say I was surprised by the Tony angle -- hell, there's seven(?) hours to go! Ms.path the 24 veteran just rolled her eyes and sighed. She loves that Tony Almeida. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

04-16-2009, 05:31 PM	#70
Travis Pro Rookie Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada eh	Just wait until the 20 hour mark when "Tony" pulls off his face to reveal that it's actually Michelle, who is not dead, but has just been wearing a Tony suit to enact her revenge plot. __________________ "I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it." - Rogers Hornsby

04-16-2009, 07:24 PM	#72
NoSkillz College Benchwarmer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: St. Catharines, Canada	Anyone here think there's any chance of Larry being alive due to the fact they didn't have the 'silent sendoff' (ie: no beeping noise at the end of the show) for him? Perhaps that's just reserved for long-time characters though but I was a bit surprised when the show ended, as normal. __________________ MY CURRENT FM19 DYNASTY - FM19: "Ludere causa Ludendi - To Play for the Sake of Playing" - Queen's Park FC (Scottish League Two) MY OLD FM11 DYNASTY - FM11: From Semi-Pro Minnows to the EPL - Dover Athletic FC My Personal Blog - Now on the Tee - Golf, Sports, Poker, Life 2006 GOLDEN SCRIBE AWARD WINNER FOR BEST 'OTHER SPORT' DYNASTY - EHM2005: Sharpening Swords in Buffalo

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04-21-2009, 10:15 AM	#78
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Yep, no indication yet as to how Tony planned all this out. Still an excellent episode, I'm glad they didn't draw out Jack realizing what Tony had done. Biggest surprise of the episode for me was when they showed Kim's husband and I realized I went to high school with the guy. Amazingly enough, his HS girlfriend was hotter than Elisha Cuthbert. Last edited by Logan : 04-21-2009 at 10:16 AM.

04-21-2009, 10:16 AM	#79
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	I think it's fairly obvious Tony put the pussy on a pedestal. I am partly joking. I sure hope that isn't why.

04-21-2009, 10:25 AM	#80
TheNorm Mascot Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Chicago, IL	Well good luck, Tony. When Jack's feeling just a bit better he's going to destroy you. Great season so far.

04-21-2009, 03:40 PM	#84
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	I call all of that a plot hole. Multiple actually.

04-22-2009, 02:21 PM	#86
M GO BLUE!!! Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005	Tony should know something about assuming someone will die. I don't thing Jack will like this very much. I also think the Vice-Pres has a hand in all this.

04-27-2009, 11:22 PM	#87
M GO BLUE!!! Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005	Oops! Spoiler Did anybody else notice how the FBI forgot about the Starkwood guy at the same time Tony killed him?

04-28-2009, 06:57 AM	#89
flounder High School Varsity Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lynchburg, VA	I'm still not buying it. Spoiler So right after Tony risks his life to stop the launching of the missles, he says "Hey lets launch an attack right now"? Why not just let the missles launch?

04-28-2009, 03:27 PM	#91
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	To that point though, the last Jack and co knew, the two were separated. If you found the random dude, there's a chance he would not have met Tony yet to give him the cannister.

04-28-2009, 03:32 PM	#92
Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	All this logic will ruin your enjoyment of 24! Instead lets revel in the scene where Chloe gets to be a total bitch to Jeneane Garofalo. That was awesome.

04-28-2009, 03:39 PM	#93
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Nah, the only thing that hurt this season for me (and brought it down from the classic level of S1) is the Tony turn, again because it still doesn't make sense from a logical, event by event standpoint (sorry sab). All the rest of it is just message board stuff to argue about .

04-28-2009, 03:59 PM	#94
M GO BLUE!!! Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005	I did notice something in this episode I had not really noticed before. Spoiler Chloe has a nice rack.

05-06-2009, 09:57 AM	#97
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	Just watched the last 3 episodes last night. Still enjoying this season, but both the concept and particularly the execution of THE GROUP with fleeting glimpses of eyeballs and mouths and voice distortion machines was fucking stupid. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

05-11-2009, 10:13 PM	#99
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	Kim being central to the season finale? This is going to be the worst season finale ever, isn't it?

05-12-2009, 07:44 AM	#100
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	They really shit the bed on that one. Way to piss off even the fans who will defend anything.

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