Under Armour High School All-American Game - Page 2

Eaglesfan27 · 01-04-2009, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigercat

Greg Reid is looking awesome. Followed up by a nice TD run by Shep.

Reid has been constantly catching my eye. Looks like a great player.

MacroGuru · 01-04-2009, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by bhlloy

My thoughts exactly. I'm interested in knowing where Macro got the idea he turned down BYU because he wanted to start as a freshman? Everything i have heard has LSU and USC well out in front - both places where he wouldn't see the field for a couple of years. If true, it's a huge plus for UCLA.

Well, alumni of Timpview, coached at one of the high schools, friend of parents of several players on the Timpview team and oh.....I am tight with the Polynesian circle in the area.

When it comes to a lot of the Polynesians playing in the area and where they are going I keep my eyes and ears open, I grew up with a lot of the kids brothers, cousins and such...I imported Taro root from the islands and sold to most of their families as a business after high school....that kind of stuff helps me stay in the loop.

BYU 14 · 01-04-2009, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MacroGuru

Honestly, from what I am hearing in the circles is he wants to start, doesn't think he will be given a fair shot at BYU and then I have heard his father is influencing him to go elsewhere, which I find is funny...they brought him to Timpview to get him into the D1 level at BYU..

I hope that's not true. Looking at who will be back next year, from what I have seen of X he has the talent to start. In fact in my mind Matt Reynolds is the only one penciled in. Sorenson has been injury prone and may never reach his pre-mission level and Willing who started before his mission was not that impressive. All I know is we need to get some damn speed on defense or it won't matter who starts on the line next year

MacroGuru · 01-04-2009, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BYU 14

I hope that's not true. Looking at who will be back next year, from what I have seen of X he has the talent to start. In fact in my mind Matt Reynolds is the only one penciled in. Sorenson has been injury prone and may never reach his pre-mission level and Willing who started before his mission was not that impressive. All I know is we need to get some damn speed on defense or it won't matter who starts on the line next year

If we nail X and Manti, with Wilson committing at the TE spot and the others, it would be our best recruiting class ever.

Chief Rum · 01-04-2009, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Once again, you question my overall character over some harmless rivalry comments - that are quite tame. Again, if you will judge me by that, I don't care 1 bit about your opinion.

If you have character, it shows in everything you do.

bhlloy · 01-04-2009, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MacroGuru

Well, alumni of Timpview, coached at one of the high schools, friend of parents of several players on the Timpview team and oh.....I am tight with the Polynesian circle in the area.

When it comes to a lot of the Polynesians playing in the area and where they are going I keep my eyes and ears open, I grew up with a lot of the kids brothers, cousins and such...I imported Taro root from the islands and sold to most of their families as a business after high school....that kind of stuff helps me stay in the loop.

Cool - didn't mean to challenge you, was just interested in finding out whether it was second hand free board information, or real good stuff

Is it a beef his family has with the coaching staff at BYU? Or just that he doesn't think he can beat out the OT's already on the roster? At SC, he's not going to beat out Charles Brown, Nick Howell, Tyron Smith or Butch Lewis (and probably not Matt Kalil) as a freshman, so if starting in year 1 is his priority, he's not going to come to SC.

I heard he's very close to Martinez and they might be a package, but he wants to check out LSU first.

Eaglesfan27 · 01-04-2009, 09:33 PM

Another impressive throw by Barkley.

Eaglesfan27 · 01-04-2009, 09:40 PM

Oh well, so much for the dream. Great get for Florida.

MacroGuru · 01-04-2009, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bhlloy

Cool - didn't mean to challenge you, was just interested in finding out whether it was second hand free board information, or real good stuff

Is it a beef his family has with the coaching staff at BYU? Or just that he doesn't think he can beat out the OT's already on the roster? At SC, he's not going to beat out Charles Brown, Nick Howell, Tyron Smith or Butch Lewis (and probably not Matt Kalil) as a freshman, so if starting in year 1 is his priority, he's not going to come to SC.

I heard he's very close to Martinez and they might be a package, but he wants to check out LSU first.

My understanding is it's mainly a beef with the nepotism angle at BYU....look at this way...

Reynolds (4 brothers have cycled through)
Doman (4 family members)
Cahoon (2 brothers)
Anae (Coaches son plays with X at Timpview, committed)
Covey (Booster money)
Fowler (Blaine was a QB back in the 80's, his son was the senior FS)
White (Danny Whites son)
Ah You (2 borthers)
Collie (Austin is the 3rd of his family to play at BYU)
Kozlowski (son of Glen, McMahon's WR)
White (Danny whites son)
Unga (2 brothers)

He is looking at this big family thing, I hope it plays out well and he stays because I know a few of his cousins are on the team.

Tigercat · 01-04-2009, 09:51 PM

Reid almost had another INT. I feel bad for white's other QBs, the coaches on that team must be in love with Barkley's arm so much that they have forgotten that you are suppose to rotate QBs in these games.

Noop · 01-04-2009, 09:52 PM

I hope Florida State can land Greg Reid that kid is shut down.

Chief Rum · 01-04-2009, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MacroGuru

My understanding is it's mainly a beef with the nepotism angle at BYU....look at this way...

Reynolds (4 brothers have cycled through)
Doman (4 family members)
Cahoon (2 brothers)
Anae (Coaches son plays with X at Timpview, committed)
Covey (Booster money)
Fowler (Blaine was a QB back in the 80's, his son was the senior FS)
White (Danny Whites son)
Ah You (2 borthers)
Collie (Austin is the 3rd of his family to play at BYU)
Kozlowski (son of Glen, McMahon's WR)
White (Danny whites son)
Unga (2 brothers)

He is looking at this big family thing, I hope it plays out well and he stays because I know a few of his cousins are on the team.

Hmm, I must not be paying attention, but this seems to argue for him coming to BYU, not against him. After all, he already has family on the team. He doesn't like the nepotism angle...and yet he is poised to benefit from said same nepotism? Or is this some stand on principle, wherein he doesn't want to succeeed where there is even the suggestion of nepotism aiding his cause? If so, that seems kind of out of place, to hold to such a high moral standard as a kid his age, and especially when everyone already pretty much acknowledges he has the talent to play for any D1 team (so, not like he needs the nepotism help).

Chief Rum · 01-04-2009, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigercat

Reid almost had another INT. I feel bad for white's other QBs, the coaches on that team must be in love with Barkley's arm so much that they have forgotten that you are suppose to rotate QBs in these games.

Yeah, that frustrated me. I would have liked to see a little more Brehaut (even though he didn't play well while in there).

MacroGuru · 01-04-2009, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Hmm, I must not be paying attention, but this seems to argue for him coming to BYU, not against him. After all, he already has family on the team. He doesn't like the nepotism angle...and yet he is poised to benefit from said same nepotism? Or is this some stand on principle, wherein he doesn't want to succeeed where there is even the suggestion of nepotism aiding his cause? If so, that seems kind of out of place, to hold to such a high moral standard as a kid his age, and especially when everyone already pretty much acknowledges he has the talent to play for any D1 team (so, not like he needs the nepotism help).

Yeah I don't know....I feel like the Uona and Havili thing with him is happening again

Chief Rum · 01-04-2009, 10:00 PM

BTW, Campanaro looks like a good get for Wake Forest, but that said, that announcer is a dumbass. My understanding is that UCLA commit Robby Toma also caught all the balls in that skills test, and that Toma in fact won that whole skills test competition for WRs. It would have been nice for the announcer to at least have known that.

mckerney · 01-04-2009, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigercat

Reid almost had another INT. I feel bad for white's other QBs, the coaches on that team must be in love with Barkley's arm so much that they have forgotten that you are suppose to rotate QBs in these games.

Disappointing Alipate didn't see more time. From the throws he made it really looks like he's got really nice arm strength.

Tigercat · 01-04-2009, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Yeah, that frustrated me. I would have liked to see a little more Brehaut (even though he didn't play well while in there).

And black pulled Shep while he was in the middle of a drive for a potential tie. Ah well.

Chief Rum · 01-04-2009, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MacroGuru

Yeah I don't know....I feel like the Uona and Havili thing with him is happening again

Heh...Uona. Don't get me started there, considering Mr Travelling Commit also committed to UCLA for a time before ending up in South Central.

Chief Rum · 01-04-2009, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigercat

And black pulled Shep while he was in the middle of a drive for a potential tie. Ah well.

Saw that. Love his athleticism, which is always a bonus in college (although looking at Vick and Young and so forth, I am questioning more if that style of QB can work in the NFL--short of being an exceptional player on top of being athletic; of course, NFL is way, way in the future...)

Tigercat · 01-04-2009, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Saw that. Love his athleticism, which is always a bonus in college (although looking at Vick and Young and so forth, I am questioning more if that style of QB can work in the NFL--short of being an exceptional player on top of being athletic; of course, NFL is way, way in the future...)

Unfortunately for his NFL future, I am pretty sure he will stay at QB. He has a good enough attitude and work ethic that at QB his basement is a slightly more athletic Pat White. Even if LSU doesn't want that that kind of player as their primary/only QB, you don't pass up having that kind of weapon behind center for certain situations.

MrBug708 · 01-05-2009, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Heh. Who was saying that Brehaut was as good as Barkley on here again?

No one. The only one whose called a player overrated was you calling Pressley overrated the minute he switched his verbal to UCLA

Eaglesfan27 · 01-05-2009, 10:37 AM

No, I just responded to you using the most favorable rating and said that some scouting services hadn't rated him as high. By the way, Pressley didn't look good last night, dropping several catchable passes.

MrBug708 · 01-05-2009, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

No, I just responded to you using the most favorable rating and said that some scouting services hadn't rated him as high. By the way, Pressley didn't look good last night, dropping several catchable passes.

Which scouting services dont have him rated that high?

Eaglesfan27 · 01-05-2009, 11:07 AM

Rivals for one. You said he was a #1 TE 5 star player. Rivals has him as a 4 star TE who is ranked 3rd at the position. That was my point. It was still an impressive get for Slick Rick, but really not that surprising in retrospect with all of Pressley's UCLA connections.

MrBug708 · 01-05-2009, 11:22 AM

As I believe I have said before, I dont bother with Rivals.

But what makes him overrated compared to other TE's? You listed one scouting service, but what are the other services that have him lower then #1?

Eaglesfan27 · 01-05-2009, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

As I believe I have said before, I dont bother with Rivals.

But what makes him overrated compared to other TE's? You listed one scouting service, but what are the other services that have him lower then #1?

If you want to dismiss a major service, that is your choice. As far as why I think he is overrated compared to other TE's, he is too slender to be an effective blocker. That being said, there are rumors that Slick Rick has promised him he'll play WR, so that might not be an issue. Then again, I don't think his speed is nearly as special at WR.

MrBug708 · 01-05-2009, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

If you want to dismiss a major service, that is your choice.

Didn't you? UCLA's Rival site is soring lacking and Rivals is medicore when it comes to basketball.

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As far as why I think he is overrated compared to other TE's, he is too slender to be an effective blocker.

You don't think it's possible that an 17 year old won't add muscle mass to his body?

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That being said, there are rumors that Slick Rick has promised him he'll play WR, so that might not be an issue. Then again, I don't think his speed is nearly as special at WR.

He is 6'4/213/4.53. Compare those numbers to 6'5/210/4.5 of another TE who played pretty well as a WR in college.

Eaglesfan27 · 01-05-2009, 12:07 PM

Sure, he'll add muscle mass. But there are other TE's, such as Logan Thomas, who are more complete right now and that is why I think his #1 ranking is a bit overrated. I didn't dismiss Scouts. I just stated that I think he is overrated a bit and that he isn't a consensus #1 TE or a consensus 5 star player.

MrBug708 · 01-05-2009, 12:10 PM

This is the same rivals who demoted Matt Barkley right?

Eaglesfan27 · 01-05-2009, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

This is the same rivals who demoted Matt Barkley right?

Yeah, with most of his starters gone, he had a relatively bad year statistically that got his ranking demoted. Of course, in the games where his offensive line actually gave him protection, he did well. I'm confident that his line at USC will be much better

MrBug708 · 01-05-2009, 12:33 PM

I would assume so. I do hope that Sanchez leaves early though, Im curious to see how the QB spot would shake out next year then. If Barkley doesnt win the job, things could get interesting!

Noop · 01-05-2009, 01:08 PM

Eaglesfan I think your being a bit of a homer for calling Pressley overrated, all those rankings are subjective. From what I saw out of him he is most certainly one of the best tightends in the country. Also rivals is known to put alot of stock in their camps for players to be rated high.

Guys like Willie Downs, Ray Ray Armstrong and countless others should be five star prospects but they did not go to all of the camps and thus are four stars. I think Ray Ray is one of the best players in the country and a definate top 10.

01-04-2009, 09:33 PM	#57
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	Another impressive throw by Barkley. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

01-04-2009, 09:40 PM	#58
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	Oh well, so much for the dream. Great get for Florida. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

01-04-2009, 09:52 PM	#61
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Miami	I hope Florida State can land Greg Reid that kid is shut down. __________________ Subby's favorite woman hater.

01-04-2009, 10:00 PM	#65
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	BTW, Campanaro looks like a good get for Wake Forest, but that said, that announcer is a dumbass. My understanding is that UCLA commit Robby Toma also caught all the balls in that skills test, and that Toma in fact won that whole skills test competition for WRs. It would have been nice for the announcer to at least have known that. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

01-05-2009, 10:37 AM	#72
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	No, I just responded to you using the most favorable rating and said that some scouting services hadn't rated him as high. By the way, Pressley didn't look good last night, dropping several catchable passes. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

01-04-2009, 09:51 PM	#60
Tigercat College Starter Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Federal Way, WA	Reid almost had another INT. I feel bad for white's other QBs, the coaches on that team must be in love with Barkley's arm so much that they have forgotten that you are suppose to rotate QBs in these games.

01-05-2009, 11:07 AM	#74
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	Rivals for one. You said he was a #1 TE 5 star player. Rivals has him as a 4 star TE who is ranked 3rd at the position. That was my point. It was still an impressive get for Slick Rick, but really not that surprising in retrospect with all of Pressley's UCLA connections. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

01-05-2009, 11:22 AM	#75
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	As I believe I have said before, I dont bother with Rivals. But what makes him overrated compared to other TE's? You listed one scouting service, but what are the other services that have him lower then #1?

01-05-2009, 12:07 PM	#78
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	Sure, he'll add muscle mass. But there are other TE's, such as Logan Thomas, who are more complete right now and that is why I think his #1 ranking is a bit overrated. I didn't dismiss Scouts. I just stated that I think he is overrated a bit and that he isn't a consensus #1 TE or a consensus 5 star player. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

01-05-2009, 12:10 PM	#79
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	This is the same rivals who demoted Matt Barkley right?

01-05-2009, 12:33 PM	#81
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	I would assume so. I do hope that Sanchez leaves early though, Im curious to see how the QB spot would shake out next year then. If Barkley doesnt win the job, things could get interesting!

01-05-2009, 01:08 PM	#82
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Miami	Eaglesfan I think your being a bit of a homer for calling Pressley overrated, all those rankings are subjective. From what I saw out of him he is most certainly one of the best tightends in the country. Also rivals is known to put alot of stock in their camps for players to be rated high. Guys like Willie Downs, Ray Ray Armstrong and countless others should be five star prospects but they did not go to all of the camps and thus are four stars. I think Ray Ray is one of the best players in the country and a definate top 10. __________________ Subby's favorite woman hater.

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