My Personal Theology

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan

I sincerely believe that everyone alive today won the equivalent of 1,000 lotteries just to be born ...

Ignoring the chance of life evolving on the earth etc. - Think of the fact that out of the huge amount of sperm your dad had it was YOU that won the race ....

Taking that into consideration I think everyone should try and do their best to help another and be bappy, whether that best is something which is publicly or financially rewarded isn't important ... its the impact on a personal level which really counts imho.

(and yeah that might sound sappy - but its pretty much an accurate summing of my stance)

Your post reminded me of this book, Life's Lottery by Kim Newman.

[SCgoatman]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

I know that I didn't know this until reading later in this thread so I suspect that goatman probably didn't know that. Hell, I almost posted something in reference to the beliefs until I saw the mention about what had happened to him.

If you take what happened to cronin out of the equation I would say that goatman's post is not that bad as this thread takes on a whole new context in that issue, a very "preachy" context.

With that said, I hope all is well with cronin and remains that way.

hmm. I appear to have created even more drama than I expected to. EagleFan is correct, I did not have any knowledge of Cronin's condition, perhaps due to poor due diligence on my own part. And I would absolutely NEVER wish anything ill upon him or anyone else, and I'm glad he made it through whatever ordeal he was presented with. Obviously, given the fact I've casually lurked for about 6-7 years w/ about 1 post per year, I don't keep too up to date with the personalities and situations individuals have encountered.

That said, my point, based on the context in which i read the message, and which I did expect to be somewhat controversal stands. The post, as I read it, wtihout benefit of cronin's life experience context, appeared as a holier than grandious proclamation; borderline "everyone should believe what I do". Which frankly, as an atheist, i found very offensive. Much, as i'm sure many of you would react to a islamic, hindu, jewish, or atheist idealogue post. Frankly, as a person with an IQ in the top 1% of the human population, and a highly educated scientific mind, I struggle to see how any intelligent, rational mind could buy in to jesus; and frankly react very strongly to what i see as someone pushing such beliefs in what i feel is an inappropriate venue (in this case a secular sports oriented website). Personally I feel most people tend to cling irrationally to religious beliefs that they were taught at a young age, without any severe critical, scientific, rational, and introspective debate. And when someone who has not intensely analyzed their beliefs pushes their beliefs on others, it offends me.

But obviously I also didn't clearly state my secondary, and more important point; which was meant to indicate regardless of one's beliefs, as long as they appreciate all person's freedom of individual beliefs (as so far as they do not impinge on another's freedoms), said person (in this case cronin) should be well allowed to hold their beliefs, and in fact their life may be positively influenced by them, regardless of whether I or others agree with them.

So no, regardless of how it may have appeared, my post wasn't meant as an attack on cronin, but more a reaction to many years of persecution for holding my own beliefs, which i feel are more rationally developed than most. But I am honestly happy that cronin is well, and would not wish harm upon him, regardless of my personal feelings about his beliefs or how i feel it reflects his intelligence.

[Ajaxab]

How is expressing one's beliefs imposing them or pushing them on others? If what Cronin did in post #1 of the thread is guilty of that 'crime' then so too is every other single thread on this board. I am guilty of pushing my beliefs about your post on everyone else on the board as are you for saying that Cronin's post offended you as are those who want to defend their favorite college football team's performance yesterday.

To express an idea is not the same as imposing or pushing an idea on others. Discussing the merits of a given position is valuable. Making the imposition of ideas charge brings nothing to the table.

[CraigSca]

Originally Posted by SCgoatman

So no, regardless of how it may have appeared, my post wasn't meant as an attack on cronin, but more a reaction to many years of persecution for holding my own beliefs, which i feel are more rationally developed than most. But I am honestly happy that cronin is well, and would not wish harm upon him, regardless of my personal feelings about his beliefs or how i feel it reflects his intelligence.

Well, so much for that, right?

[Alan T]

Based on goatman's follow up I take back what I said regarding him not likely making those comments if he had been aware of Cronin's situation. Since he knew before his second post and continued to try to force his beliefs down everyone else's throats.

I wasn't as much defending him with my post as I was giving him the benefit of the doubt. Unfortunately he removed that for himself by continuing.

[Marc Vaughan]

Frankly, as a person with an IQ in the top 1% of the human population, and a highly educated scientific mind, I struggle to see how any intelligent, rational mind could buy in to jesus;

Ok I'll bite.

First off I'm more of a Christian cynic than a practicing christian, I don't attend church or read the bible.

That being said however I do respect people who do and have done considerable research into Christianity over the years (my wife's an active christian and I try and be supportive of her beliefs and understand where she's coming from).

From the research I've done Jesus definitely existed (if you're really interested there are loads of books/papers available both written by cynics and christians, quite interesting reading in the main imho) and much of the bible is historically correct (that is locations, dates etc. - rather than miracles and suchlike).

While its impossible to prove that he was the son of God etc. (thats why they call it 'faith'? ) ... in my opinion its amazing the impact that he had on the world, he is the one person has influenced world events by his birth more than any other.

Nearly all the major religions active at this time involve him being present (generally as a Prophet) and that alone is incredible imho and proof of his influence, was he the son of God ....

No idea personally (although I doubt it), but then I'm not one of the lucky few who have God talk to them on a regular basis

[Fidatelo]

Originally Posted by SCgoatman

Frankly, as a person with an IQ in the top 1% of the human population, and a highly educated scientific mind...

I'm officially calling you a liar because anyone in the real top 1% of IQ's would know better than to go spouting about their great IQ on a message board. Get over yourself. No one cares what your IQ is. At all.

[Draft Dodger]

Originally Posted by Fidatelo

I'm officially calling you a liar because anyone in the real top 1% of IQ's would know better than to go spouting about their great IQ on a message board. Get over yourself. No one cares what your IQ is. At all.

IQ isn't a measure of humility

[SFL Cat]

Nothing like the loss of a loved one or a close brush yourself with the hereafter to make one reflective about life on this little planet.

Posting those reflections here brings to mind the old analogy about casting pearls before swine, but kudos to you anyway.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Bad-example

You would have made an ugly woman though, I think we can all agree.

Thats not what you said as you took off my fishnets last night you lying bitch.

Originally Posted by Lorena

Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit, fuck that. If someone is gonna call a buddy of mine an idiot for having a moment of reflection, I can say whatever the hell I damn please.

So stick it.

You're missing the point Lorena, as most due in this situation. He has every right to voice his opinion of SC's beliefs, yes he could have been more polite about it, and should have been, but MY point to you was that you are no better for going shit brick assinine on him for it. its overreactions like yours and Lathum's that generaly set off these ongoing fofc-melo-ramas.

Would it have been so tough for you to set an example by correcting goatman without BECOMING goatman?

as for the more recent post, yeah, humility is in short supply in his home it would seem. Yeesh.

I don't condone how he said what he said, but I dislike your responses even more. He wasn't attacking Cronin, he was attacking a publicly stated belief system held by cronin, he did it badly, indeed, but there was still no excuse for you two acting like 4 yr olds who had their binkies taken away. you're better people than that.

Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

IQ isn't a measure of humility

QFT, though a lack of humility regarding one's intelligence IS generally a measure of a lack of self confidence.

[Noop]

How can I test my IQ?

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by SFL Cat

Nothing like the loss of a loved one or a close brush yourself with the hereafter to make one reflective about life on this little planet.

Posting those reflections here brings to mind the old analogy about casting pearls before swine, but kudos to you anyway.

Its all relative.

One man's pearl is another man's oyster shit.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Noop

How can I test my IQ?

by learning not to ask stupid questions....

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Fidatelo

I'm officially calling you a liar because anyone in the real top 1% of IQ's would know better than to go spouting about their great IQ on a message board. Get over yourself. No one cares what your IQ is. At all.

Ok so if this is truly official, do we have documentation? I mean nothing in life is really official until you've submitted the forms in quintuplicate.

Blue goes to the registrar, green goes to finance, teal goes to affairs, red sits in this little round box and you get to keep the goldenrod.

[Bad-example]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Thats not what you said as you took off my fishnets last night you lying bitch.

That's just what we call pillow talk, baby.

[MJ4H]

Originally Posted by Noop

How can I test my IQ?

Just ask SCgoatman, he knows everything. He can tell you.

[Noop]

Originally Posted by RendeR

by learning not to ask stupid questions....

I have took one before but that was a few years back and I was hurt to find out that I wasn't a genius.

Later Mr. Kitten

[RendeR]

*chuckles* I love FOFC.

[duckman]

Well, my IQ is in the top 1%, and I think goatboy is one dumb fucker.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by duckman

Well, my IQ is in the top 1%, and I think goatboy is one dumb fucker.

My IQ is in the top 0.01%, and I agree.

[MJ4H]

im smarter than all yall emmer effers

PLUS i stayed a holiday inn express last night

[Marc Vaughan]

Originally Posted by Noop

How can I test my IQ?

Often an IQ test involves paying a company lots of money to take a multiple choice quiz.

Proviso being of course that by paying money to take such a test you instantly prove that you can't be in the upper quartile of intelligent people anyway

(strangely I've never met anyone who's taken an IQ test which showed them to be unintelligent? .. anyone going to fess up? )

PS - My IQ is probably downright awful possibly smaller than my shoesize ...

[molson]

Originally Posted by SCgoatman

So no, regardless of how it may have appeared, my post wasn't meant as an attack on cronin,

Dude, you called a guy (who you don't know) a "complete and utter idiot" for posting his personal theology.

I have no idea what your IQ is. Like others have said, the fact that you know what your IQ is,that spend time on FOFC to trash other people's religion, and you feel the need to tell us all how smart you are GUARANTEES that you're IQ is far lower than you think. Seriously, only morons brag about their IQs, it's the most reliable IQ test.

But It's obvious that you're in the top 1% of all douchebags.

Atheism is arrogant - you can't even figure out how to behave properly in a message board and we're supposed to figure out that your brain has discovered all of the secrets of the universe?

[Deattribution]

Didn't that Maximum Football guy who was going to drive around a van full of people's cats and 20 computers playing Maximum Football claim to also have an IQ in the top 1% area?

[Schmidty]

Is this still going on? Just be nice to each other.

Live and let live. I'm a Christian. Others are not. If you think it's fake or unintelligent, that's fine.

Just fucking be nice to each other, you fucking shitface fuckers.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Lorena

Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit, fuck that. If someone is gonna call a buddy of mine an idiot for having a moment of reflection, I can say whatever the hell I damn please.

So stick it.

just so you know, cronin is not your buddy. unless you think every person who says something nice about you or is friendly to you on a message board is your friend, if that's the case then i weep for our civilization.

[DaddyTorgo]

Yay cronin being okay! Thought we just hadn't crossed paths lately and he was taking a WW-break! Glad to hear he's a fighter!!

[Pumpy Tudors]

Originally Posted by Anthony

just so you know, cronin is not your buddy. unless you think every person who says something nice about you or is friendly to you on a message board is your friend, if that's the case then i weep for our civilization.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Deattribution

Didn't that Maximum Football guy who was going to drive around a van full of people's cats and 20 computers playing Maximum Football claim to also have an IQ in the top 1% area?

oh wait, who was that dude? that was hilarious UIC!

[watravaler]

wrong thread, sorry cronin...

[Lorena]

Originally Posted by Anthony

just so you know, cronin is not your buddy. unless you think every person who says something nice about you or is friendly to you on a message board is your friend, if that's the case then i weep for our civilization.

Yyyyeeaaah, how about you like, not post about stuff you don't know about, kthx.

[Anthony]

oh, i'm sorry. silly me, cronin probably sent you a PM once so obviously now you're best friends. sorry!

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Anthony

oh, i'm sorry. silly me, cronin probably sent you a PM once so obviously now you're best friends. sorry!

Sorry lil-tony, but she's got the right of things, you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground about her or him, yet you open your flapping maw and insert your ass just the same.

Bravo.

[korme]

Originally Posted by molson

Atheism is arrogant

laying the irony on pretty thick here

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by korme

laying the irony on pretty thick here

Wanna go lay some pipe?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by duckman

Well, my IQ is in the top 1%, and I think goatboy is one dumb fucker.

be carefull, you may upset Render.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by RendeR

He wasn't attacking Cronin, .

he called him a complete and utter idiot, thats not an attack?

So he can say that but I can't tell him to go fuck himself without sounding like a 4 year old? Gimme a break.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by SCgoatman

Frankly, as a person with an IQ in the top 1% of the human population, and a highly educated scientific mind,

code for I have bever been with a woman unless I paid for it.

God I would like to punch you in the face.

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by Lathum

code for I have bever been with a woman unless I paid for it.

God I would like to punch you in the face.

Yeah, seriously, that kind of "Hi, I'm really a dumb ass" bragging makes the genuine elitists look bad.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

Originally Posted by SCgoatman

Frankly, as a person with an IQ in the top 1% of the human population, and a highly educated scientific mind,

This made me giggle.

Cronin, kudos for sharing your faith and what it means to you. On boards like this there is a huge sense of anomitity and many people can come here to "hide" who they are, yet you chose to share something intimate. You took a chance knowing you could be, and most likely would be, criticized or even figuratively crucified.

I'm a Christian and so often can be intimidated by the thought of the consequences of sharing my faith. Your post perhaps made you feel better, but it also encouraged me. Thanks and I'm glad you're doing better.

[Subby]

This thread should be closed, hermetically sealed, and sent to the Smithsonian.

Then they should blow up the Internet.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Subby

This thread should be closed, hermaphroditically sealed, and sent to the Smithsonian.

Then they should blow up the Internet.

Are you volunteering?

[Subby]

Ten points for effort, ace.

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by Lathum

code for I have bever been with a woman unless I paid for it.

God I would like to punch you in the face.

I would certainly pay to see that.

But Lathum has to have a couple of beers first.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Sorry lil-tony, but she's got the right of things, you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground about her or him, yet you open your flapping maw and insert your ass just the same.

Bravo.

wow, you're so cool. why don't you put that in your signature.


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