2008 NFL Draft Thread-Jake Long Goes #1

[TazFTW]

Cowboys trade Anthony Fasano and Akin Ayodele to the Dolphins for their 4th round pick.


Well I guess this will give Bobby Carpenter a chance to prove he's not a bust.

[Dunleavy]

tv types are saying Dorsey could fall outside of the top 3 with a chris long matt ryan combo going ahead of him. i'm not so sure about that

[JeeberD]

Originally Posted by TazFTW

Cowboys trade Anthony Fasano and Akin Ayodele to the Dolphins for their 4th round pick.


Well I guess this will give Bobby Carpenter a chance to prove he's not a bust.

Seems like an odd trade. I would have thought that Fasano alone would be worth more than a fourth rounder...

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Dunleavy

tv types are saying Dorsey could fall outside of the top 3 with a chris long matt ryan combo going ahead of him. i'm not so sure about that

Hm, I think if St. Louis takes Chris Long, Atlanta takes Dorsey. Matt Ryan is the one who could fall - I am not sure Baltimore will want him, so he could fall to Carolina or Chicago.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Hm, I think if St. Louis takes Chris Long, Atlanta takes Dorsey.

Definitely.

[Sublime 2]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Hm, I think if St. Louis takes Chris Long, Atlanta takes Dorsey. Matt Ryan is the one who could fall - I am not sure Baltimore will want him, so he could fall to Carolina or Chicago.

You think anyone would try to trade up for him once he got to the 7-8 range? I'm sure NE would love to drop back, and if he fell to them they'd be thrilled fielding offers.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Sublime 2

You think anyone would try to trade up for him once he got to the 7-8 range? I'm sure NE would love to drop back, and if he fell to them they'd be thrilled fielding offers.

I think teams will be trading up for defensive linemen (Sedrick Ellis, Derrick Harvey), not quarterbacks. The teams that need a quarterback tend to be teams that have lots of needs, so I don't know if it would make a lot of sense to give up picks.

[Logan]

I'm pretty sure Ryan won't get past Baltimore, if he does end up sliding. I think they may even move up for him (via KC).

[miami_fan]

The more I hear the reasons why Atlanta should take Matt Ryan, the more it reminds me of the reasons the Texans had to take David Carr.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Logan

I'm pretty sure Ryan won't get past Baltimore, if he does end up sliding. I think they may even move up for him (via KC).

There's a lot of talk in KC that the Chiefs will trade away the 5th pick. Both Baltimore and the Saints in addition to a couple of other teams want to move up.

[Swaggs]

KC is in a good position to trade down. Either McFadden or Ryan are probably going to be available (maybe both). Throw one of those two in with Ellis, and they are in great shape to trade down and pick up an additional early pick.

[Logan]

Agreed. Especially if they like Albert as much as they have let on...they can probably trade down into that 8-10 range and get him there.

Although it probably would've made more sense for the Chiefs not to have let on this whole time that they preferred Albert, who while many feel could end up being the best LT in the draft, he wasn't expected to go until 11-15.

[SteveMax58]

Originally Posted by sabotai

Just about a done deal that Jeremy Shockey will be traded to the Saints. They've offered a 2nd round pick, but the Giants want more. The Giants asked for S Roman Harper as well as the 2nd pick, but the Saints rejected it. The Saints might offer the G-Men their 2nd and 5th round picks for Shockey.

Got a link to somewhere on this? I havent heard anything this morning about it.

[General Mike]

PFW's final mockdraft:

hxxp://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Draft+Extras/2008/mock042608.htm

[st.cronin]

I am still very perplexed about what, exactly, Matt Ryan did as a senior to pass Brian Brohm. Brohm actually had a better senior year than Ryan.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by SteveMax58

Got a link to somewhere on this? I havent heard anything this morning about it.

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/

Latest entry says the Giants are playing hardball and insisting on safey Roman Harper while the Saints have added with a 6th this year or a 5th next year.

[Ryche]

My final mock draft:

1. Miami - Jake Long
2. St. Louis - Chris Long
3. Atlanta - Matt Ryan
4. Oakland - Vernon Gholston
5. Kansas City - Glenn Dorsey (New Orleans trade up to here)
6. New York Jets - Darren McFadden
7. New England - Branden Albert
8. Baltimore - D. Rodgers-Cromartie
9. Cincinnati - Sedric Ellis
10. New Orleans - Derrick Harvey (Kansas City trade down to here)
11. Buffalo - Ryan Clady (Kansas City trade up to here)
12. Denver - Chris Williams
13. Carolina - Rashard Mendenhall
14. Chicago - Jeff Otah
15. Detroit - Jerod Mayo
16. Arizona - Leodis McKelvin
17. Kansas City - Devin Thomas (Buffalo trade down to here)
18. Houston - Mike Jenkins
19. Philadelphia - Gosder Cherilus
20. Tampa - Keith Rivers
21. Washington - Philip Merling
22. Dallas - DeSean Jackson
23. Pittsburgh - James Hardy
24. Tennessee - Limas Sweed
25. Seattle - Jonathan Stewart
26. Jacksonville - Joe Flacco (Miami trade up)
27. San Diego - Kentwan Balmer
28. Dallas - Felix Jones
29. San Francisco - Brian Brohm (Baltimore trade up)
30. Green Bay - Dustin Keller
31. New York Giants - Kenny Phillip

Already botched the Solecismic mock draft as I had Dorsey going 2nd, but it sounds like they are set on Long. Mistake in my opinion since they have Dorsey rated higher, but oh well.

Draft as a whole isn't as much fun when my two favorite teams (Minnesota and Denver) only have 3 picks in the top 3 rounds.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I am still very perplexed about what, exactly, Matt Ryan did as a senior to pass Brian Brohm. Brohm actually had a better senior year than Ryan.

Just went back and looked at the thread from the week BC played Virginia Tech in Blacksburg. Here is just one post from right after that game.

Originally Posted by Galaxy

I think Matt Ryan could be the top quarterback in the draft.

Not to say that Ryan won't be a good QB in the NFL, but I am not sure he is the top QB in that draft if not for that game.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

Just went back and looked at the thread from the week BC played Virginia Tech in Blacksburg. Here is just one post from right after that game.



Not to say that Ryan won't be a good QB in the NFL, but I am not sure he is the top QB in that draft if not for that game.

On the other hand, the score of that game was 14-10.

[Noop]

Well the draft party is underway and we have our draft boards out. I just googled it and I am not sure if today is two rounds or three... anyone know for sure?

[JetsIn06]

Originally Posted by Noop

Well the draft party is underway and we have our draft boards out. I just googled it and I am not sure if today is two rounds or three... anyone know for sure?

Two.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by Fighter of Foo

No, he won't. After the 3rd season or so it will be restructured into an extension or he'll get cut.

I missed this thread until today. No way that any team cuts the #1 overall pick unless they are a bust. Assuming he isn't a bust, he'll see every cent of this deal, if he wants to. He has all of the power on whether or not to renegotiate if he performs well.

[st.cronin]

My final mock:

1. Miami - Jake Long, OT, Michigan
2. St. Louis - Chris Long, DE, Virginia
3. Atlanta - Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU
4. Oakland - Vernon Gholston, DE, Ohio State
5. Kansas City - Sedrick Ellis, DT, USC
6. NY Jets - Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas
7. New England - Branden Albert, G, Virginia
8. Baltimore - Leodis McKelvin, CB, Troy State
9. Cincinnati - Keith Rivers, LB, USC
10. New Orleans - Ryan Clady, T, Boise State
11. Buffalo - Derrick Harvey, DE, Florida
12. Denver - Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt
13. Carolina - Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College
14. Chicago - Devin Thomas, WR, Michigan State
15. Detroit - Jerod Mayo, LB, Tennessee
16. Arizona - Rashard Mendenhall, RB, Illinois
17. Kansas City - Jeff Otah, OT, Pittsburgh
18. Houston - Jonathan Stewart, RB, Oregon
19. Philadelphia - Gosder Cherilus, OT, Boston College
20. Tampa Bay - Mike Jenkins, CB, South Florida
21. Washington - Phillip Merling, DE, Clemson
22. Dallas - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB, Tennessee State
23. Pittsburgh - Limas Sweed, WR, Texas
24. Tennessee - James Hardy, WR, Indiana
25. Seattle - Felix Jones, RB, Arkansas
26. Jacksonville - Kentwan Balmer, DT, North Carolina
27. San Diego - Kenny Phillips, FS, Miami
28. Dallas - DeSean Jackson, WR, California
29. San Francisco - Sam Baker, OT, USC
30. Green Bay - Aqib Talib, CB, Kansas
31. NY Giants - Dan Connor, LB, Penn State

[SteveMax58]

Originally Posted by sabotai

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/

Latest entry says the Giants are playing hardball and insisting on safey Roman Harper while the Saints have added with a 6th this year or a 5th next year.

Thanks.

Wow...sounds great to me, though I think the Saints would be stupid to include Harper. Solid looking young player.

[Coffee Warlord]

I continue to hold out the false hope that somehow the Bears nab Matt Ryan.

[Dunleavy]

we already know who the first 4 picks will be?

Spoiler

Long, Long, Ryan, McFadden

[Dunleavy]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

I continue to hold out the false hope that somehow the Bears nab Matt Ryan.

I continue to hold out the false hope that somehow the Bears nab Mendenhall

[Noop]

I am seriously hoping that the Dolphins get Brohm.

[st.cronin]

I'm rooting for the Dolphins to draft Chad Henne.

[DeToxRox]

This 3 PM start is retarded. There are 4 picks pretty much confirmed now. Good job Goodell.

[DeToxRox]

Here's a rumor ..

Detroit will trade Roy Williams to Dallas for #28 to draft Chad Henne if he's there, which I doubt he is, but this is typical Lions.

[Cringer]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

This 3 PM start is retarded. There are 4 picks pretty much confirmed now. Good job Goodell.

Yeah, the shorter pick times are cool, but the later start blows. I went to bed at 5 a.m., woke up at 6 to get a hand job, went back to sleep and woke up at 11:30 thinking the draft was starting soon. I could have slept more.

[Cuckoo]

Originally Posted by JeeberD

Seems like an odd trade. I would have thought that Fasano alone would be worth more than a fourth rounder...

My thoughts as well. I saw this last night and thought I must have misread it. Fasano's going to be a very good tight end; he just hasn't yet had a chance to show it because of Witten's presence. Ayodele, while nothing close to a star, is a decent starting-quality LB.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Here's a rumor ..

Detroit will trade Roy Williams to Dallas for #28 to draft Chad Henne if he's there, which I doubt he is, but this is typical Lions.

Didn't they just draft an overrated Big 10 QB last year?

[Buccaneer]

My wife, son and I just did our mock drafts (picking where the top 8 players will go). We can't decide on Atlanta: Ryan or Dorsey. If they pick Ryan, I predicted NO will trade up to get Dorsey. They've been watching NFL Network all morning and I'm sure they will keep me informed.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by Dunleavy

I continue to hold out the false hope that somehow the Bears nab Mendenhall

It's much more likely he'll be there for them to take.

Except Angelo is too damn stubborn to admit his boy Benson blows goats.

[miami_fan]

So how much does Matt Ryan increase season tickets sales this season?

[Dunleavy]

i have to agree, the 3pm start is looking even more idiotic

i was in favor of doing to the top 5 or 10 picks friday night, then starting sat morning and going threw round 3, with day 2 picking up at round 4

they way they have it now it starts too late, and having to do 5 rounds on day 2 could be a bear

[Eaglesfan27]

The rumor is that Jerry Jones made that trade because he wanted another draft pick as trade fodder to move up for McFadden. I'm going to laugh when he doesn't get McFadden. I think the Cowboys are going down without Bill there to restrain Jerry's impulses.

[Dunleavy]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

It's much more likely he'll be there for them to take.

Except Angelo is too damn stubborn to admit his boy Benson blows goats.

very true, i'm hoping against hope all hope that all the OL get drafted before the bears (especially chris williams) and then "some how i kept my job" turner goes to war for mendenhall (he did recruit him to UI)

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

So how much does Matt Ryan increase season tickets sales this season?

If that's the pick, not a bit. Who wants to pay that kind of cash to watch the next big QB bust?

If the Falcons don't trade down, this group of idiots running the show is no better than the previous group of idiots.

edit to add: And I'm not sure which pick would be worse at #3 - Ryan to bust or Dorsey to spend half his first contract injured. He's been dinged up since his senior season in high school for crying out loud.

[Cringer]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

If that's the pick, not a bit. Who wants to pay that kind of cash to watch the next big QB bust?

If the Falcons don't trade down, this group of idiots running the show is no better than the previous group of idiots.

edit to add: And I'm not sure which pick would be worse at #3 - Ryan to bust or Dorsey to spend half his first contract injured. He's been dinged up since his senior season in high school for crying out loud.

It takes two to make a trade happen, and how many teams are willing to give up enough for the #3 pick AND pay extra money? I would say very few teams, if any. Trading down just isn't very easy any more when the top salaries are so much $$ now.

[Buccaneer]

But then again, if Baltimore moves up to #2, then it becomes moot.

[JAG]

Dallas - DeSean Jackson, WR, California

Not going to happen. Dallas isn't drafting a WR in the first round.

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by Dunleavy

i have to agree, the 3pm start is looking even more idiotic

i was in favor of doing to the top 5 or 10 picks friday night, then starting sat morning and going threw round 3, with day 2 picking up at round 4

they way they have it now it starts too late, and having to do 5 rounds on day 2 could be a bear

What are you talking about? A 1:00pm start time is perferct.

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by Noop

I am seriously hoping that the Dolphins get Brohm.

Same here.

I've got my Dolphins gear on and I'm ready to rock the joint. Heading over to a bro's house in about 15 min.

[SteveMax58]

Yeah...this 3pm crap is annoying me.

And what are they thinking that Rd3 is going to do by moving it to Sunday? Entice people who otherwise dont care about the later rounds? It would seem more likely to make them not care about round 3 than to watch round 3 on Sunday, and then stick around for round 4.

If anything...it seems to me they should be trying to move the 4th rd up to Saturday to entice those doing draft parties to continue watching(thus generating better ratings for a longer time period).

Maybe next year they can try moving the first round to Sunday night at 8pm.

[Izulde]

Having a 3 pm start time essentially negates the advantages of cutting the 1st round per pick time from 15 min to 10 min.

[st.cronin]

Atlanta already has a ton of draft picks (I think 3 in round 2), so I'm not sure what trading down will really accomplish for thim. I agree with JimGa that both Dorsey and Ryan are risky picks, but ... who else would you argue for at 3? Sedrick Ellis has the same injury worries as Dorsey but isn't as good, Darren McFadden makes no sense for them, Vernon Gholston... maybe. Branden Albert? Keith Rivers?

I guess if it were me I'd take Dorsey, and cross my fingers. But its really not a great spot to be in.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

My final mock:

1. Miami - Jake Long, OT, Michigan
2. St. Louis - Chris Long, DE, Virginia
3. Atlanta - Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU
4. Oakland - Vernon Gholston, DE, Ohio State
5. Kansas City - Sedrick Ellis, DT, USC
6. NY Jets - Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas
7. New England - Branden Albert, G, Virginia
8. Baltimore - Leodis McKelvin, CB, Troy State
9. Cincinnati - Keith Rivers, LB, USC
10. New Orleans - Ryan Clady, T, Boise State
11. Buffalo - Derrick Harvey, DE, Florida
12. Denver - Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt
13. Carolina - Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College
14. Chicago - Devin Thomas, WR, Michigan State
15. Detroit - Jerod Mayo, LB, Tennessee
16. Arizona - Rashard Mendenhall, RB, Illinois
17. Kansas City - Jeff Otah, OT, Pittsburgh
18. Houston - Jonathan Stewart, RB, Oregon
19. Philadelphia - Gosder Cherilus, OT, Boston College
20. Tampa Bay - Mike Jenkins, CB, South Florida
21. Washington - Phillip Merling, DE, Clemson
22. Dallas - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB, Tennessee State
23. Pittsburgh - Limas Sweed, WR, Texas
24. Tennessee - James Hardy, WR, Indiana
25. Seattle - Felix Jones, RB, Arkansas
26. Jacksonville - Kentwan Balmer, DT, North Carolina
27. San Diego - Kenny Phillips, FS, Miami
28. Dallas - DeSean Jackson, WR, California
29. San Francisco - Sam Baker, OT, USC
30. Green Bay - Aqib Talib, CB, Kansas
31. NY Giants - Dan Connor, LB, Penn State

Finally someone who has Ryan dropping like the rock he should. This guy has Brady Quinn all over again written all over him. He seems like a player with talent, but Top Five? If a team takes him there over several of these other players who are clearly better, then they are overreaching and guaranteeing themselves a poor draft.