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What was dumb was her speaking on national TV about murdering someone, assuming that her audience would understand it was meant as an absurd joke. Unfortunately for her, this is not an assumption that should be made about a medium that reaches so many people. Joking about killing someone runs the risk of someone not getting that it's a joke, especially when you use language that hearkens back to a much grimmer time.
The fact it was in her vocabulary probably speaks more to recent coverage of lynching as a hate crime than it does to her Old West roots. |
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Exactly. Without knowing the reasons behind lynching, post Civil War, it is understandable why many of the comments here have gone to the relativism card. After the Civil War lynching provided a way, through fear and lack of justice, to prevent the newly granted freedoms of Black people. A white person saying this talented, rich and powerful Black golfer needs to be lynched is something bigger than just a word. That being said, since when do we really listen to what women have to say? |
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I like how her named is spelled wrong in the story.
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The real origin of Lynching.
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01-11-2008, 02:10 PM | #60 |
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wait, Colonel Sanders was white?
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Didn't this or something very similar to this already happen?
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I say we lynch jim.
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The only thing I got out of this thread is that the canadians are more predictable than the average partisan american. (obligatory Schmidty canadian shot)
Oh, and the chick said something unwise. Nothing racist, just unwise. She should have known that america only sees things in black and white, and that everything you say on-air is scrutenized with hungry eyes ready to pounce, even if you didn't mean it to come out a certain way. I don't think America is becoming more sensitive and advanced, I think America is becoming more censored, afraid, and self-hating. Last edited by Schmidty : 01-12-2008 at 12:40 AM. |
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I just (3 hours ago) talked to my wife about this, and she thinks it actually was racist. I respect her opinion, so I will be considering this while I sit here, play old records and play Chessmaster X. Last edited by Schmidty : 01-12-2008 at 06:53 AM. |
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I all seriousness...things like this serve to further divide people by race and/or ethnicities. There are a handful of obvious words that, no matter the context, are inappropriate and/or derogatory in nature. Beyond that, unless you feel this woman is an outright racist, words like "lynch" should not be used to further divide people and make everybody aware that there are atrocities which involved that particular word at some point in human history (albeit more recent than others).
It only serves to make people of all races/ethnicities more aware of the fact that they are different, and must use different language when interacting with certain people of certain ethnical backgrounds. This further propagates discomfort & uncertainty when interacting, which leads to people staying with "their own kind" ...out of fear/uncertainty/laziness etc. in trying to make sure they dont offend somebody accidentally. There is no excuse for complete ignorance to some words, but there is a line people must draw at some point in terms of what words "should" invoke offensive reactions...and which should not. Otherwise we essentially will continue to divide ourselves by more and more percieved "differences". And on the whole...the more different people see other people, the less likely they are to associate with each other. The less people associate with each other, the less they actually know about each other. The less they know about each other, the more percieved differences they project on each other. Rinse and repeat. |
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I don't think I've ever heard the word "lynch" used other than in the context of lynchings of blacks. Otherwise, don't most people use the word "hang"? When someone commits suicide, they don't "lynch themselves". When someone is given the death penalty, its not "death by lynching".
I'm not big on political correctness, but I don't see how you can interpret this as anything other than a racial slur, whether she was joking or not. Last edited by JimboJ : 01-12-2008 at 09:36 AM. |
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Here is where it starts and ends with me.
"Me and Kelly are dear friends. I have known here for 10 years, this is a non-issue." How can I be offended by what someone says about you, if you yourself arent offended? I quite honestly think you have a case of someone being too book smart. She wanted tto say/mean jump/mug/beat him, but her nerd side used the approprriate techical term lynch. I think her comment is more the product of journalism school than racism. There are a million point/counter-point arguments but again to me it ends with the "attacked" he didnt issue the same statement to Fuzzy, whose commenst were much more dripping with with hate, and disdain. This is a comment made by a friend of his, probably not the BEST choice of words, but not enough to fire her over either. Quote:
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You cant "lynch yourself", by definition a lynch is an assault by a group on an individual. Whether hanging, a rope or death is involved, a group beat down is a lynching. |
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How does calling for the figurative lynching of anyone who says anything stupid actually help anything in America? Do the activists think calling for her head on a platter actually helps? Does it make America a better place or a more divided place? You can bet most people hear about this story and think, "Oh, no, here we go again," and move on with their lives.
I suspect that in America in a few years we will have hate speech laws to match hate crime laws. Some Western countries are already moving in that direciton. Then it will get really interesting. |
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Great post. I don't at all get the motivation of people who go after people who misspeak in this way. It's disturbing - they're absolutely trying to make the world a more divided place, which in some cases (Sharpton, etc.), keeps them relevant and keeps the money rolling in. People who say what she said is "racist" simply don't know what the word means. |
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You know, I use the term lynch from time to time since, hell, you gotta mix your "killin" words from time to time for variety or else you just sound like you have a bunch of verbal crutches like that "you know" I start a lot of posts with. I never had really associated it with being a racist word- it just never crossed my mind. In my head, I always had associated it with the wild west.
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This is exactly why we have to be careful with persecuting people on words & context that arent obviously intended to be offensive. While I know the term has been associated with racial hate crimes...the term's common meaning to me, is closer to 14ers quoted definition which is "to have a group exact their percieved justice onto another individual or group". I have heard the term used in the past...and this definition is how I have always heard it used. It isnt that I'm not aware of the way the term has been linked in the past...it's just that the term is not a word indicative of race...and not being constantly focused on race(as people like Sharpton would like us all to be), it doesnt otherwise strike me as offensive without some more relevant context. To me, if we cant take words for what they mean, and people for what they intend, then we might as well stop talking as somebody will inevitably be offended by it. |
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I doubt she meant the statement in a racially insensitive way. Although to downplay that word's connotation and history is as wrong as the people who are calling for her head on a platter. It seems with these issues the common reaction is one extreme or the other. In my opinion she should have been reprimanded by her superiors, kindly educated on the context of that word, and that's that. She apologized, seemingly made a mistake in words, and Tiger wasn't offended, so the Al Sharpton's of the world are just seeking self publicity.
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What is he, then? Is Barack Obama not black, either? Woods has an African-American father and a Thai mother. He is just as "black" as Obama. She deserved to be suspended, and Woods was gracious in accepting the apology. And Sharpton should accept the suspension and apology, and move on. |
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His Father was half black. So Woods is 1/4 black, but is also Chinese, Thai, Native American, and Dutch. He actually doesn't consider himself an African-American - though the rest of society does for some reason. Calling anyone with darker skin "black" is a throwback to slavery times - why do we still insist on doing it? Obama is half-black, but I believe considers himself an "African American" (and if he didn't, society surely would). That's his choice. Last edited by molson : 01-12-2008 at 12:46 PM. |
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Once Tiger called himself Cablinasian to denote his mixed ancestry. I've also seen him refer to himself as both black and Asian.
And, no, the lady should not have been suspended. Unless she had a history of making stupid comments. |
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How about the word "looting"?
IF refering to a black athlete would the word "Looting" be a hate crime?
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Lots of silliness in this thread on both sides.
Lynching doesn't have to have a racial connotation, but it certainly was used that way in her statement and it's ridiculous to pretend otherwise. Now, I don't think her comment was racist. If you see it in the proper context (which the media has done a poor job of portraying), then she was actually trying to give Tiger Woods a compliment, in her own stupid way.
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