The Official WSOP final table thread ( spoilers inside) - Page 2

Lathum · 07-17-2007, 04:54 PM

Holy Crap. Jerry Yang has 6 kids!!

Jas_lov · 07-17-2007, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I see what you are saying but sitting to his right you need to make a move at some point otherwise he is just going to run you over.

Yeah but Childs still had 20x the BB if he folds, and instead he just calls off 5 million with KJ. Don't you think he could have waited for a better hand? I do agree that as the table gets smaller they'll have to start lowering their calling requirements if Yang is just going to shove them all in after an initial raise. Yang will probably continue this since he has a huge chip lead, he's not the best player at the table, and he has God on his side.

Lathum · 07-17-2007, 04:59 PM

I think it was reasonable to think he had the best hand there and he did. I think he played the player not his hand and he made the right descion and got unlucky.

CleBrownsfan · 07-17-2007, 05:04 PM

I thought most religions look down on gambling?!?!

Lathum · 07-17-2007, 05:16 PM

I really don't like "rain"

CleBrownsfan · 07-17-2007, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I really don't like "rain"

I can't even comment on his "victory dance"... I don't even know WTF he is doing after he wins a pot... tool

QuikSand · 07-17-2007, 05:36 PM

Rain recognizes that he has an opportunity to create a "brand" for himself, on beyond just what he might win at the table. With the lore about his online play, and the antics, it's not a bad play for him to get camera time with whatever he can, a la Bobby Bellande (a seemingly marginal player who is now a "name" mostly by virtue of acting like an ass).

CleBrownsfan · 07-17-2007, 05:58 PM

Rain(3,3) just doubled up Kravchenko(K,J spades). Flop 9 J x x x...

larrymcg421 · 07-17-2007, 06:02 PM

I'm definitely taking the under on the Hellmuth bet.

CleBrownsfan · 07-17-2007, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

I'm definitely taking the under on the Hellmuth bet.

45 seconds.... more like the firat words that come out of his mouth. 11

CleBrownsfan · 07-17-2007, 06:06 PM

larrymcg421 · 07-17-2007, 06:06 PM

I win.

larrymcg421 · 07-17-2007, 06:12 PM

dola

This is quite a hand here.

CleBrownsfan · 07-17-2007, 06:14 PM

I hope Yang dumps some chips here!

CleBrownsfan · 07-17-2007, 06:15 PM

Yang = A 10 or A J

CleBrownsfan · 07-17-2007, 06:16 PM

we got a call....

CleBrownsfan · 07-17-2007, 06:17 PM

MrBigglesworth · 07-17-2007, 06:19 PM

This is the kind of god I can get behind.

CleBrownsfan · 07-17-2007, 06:19 PM

Yang adds to his chips... kocks out Khan - Yang JJ vs Khan AQs

QuikSand · 07-17-2007, 06:20 PM

Rain busts on a drawn-out hand... reraising Jerry with AQ, and eventually all in against him. He played the hald a bit aggressively, but that's no real surprise.

larrymcg421 · 07-17-2007, 06:20 PM

What did BB fold? I'm honestly thinking he had QQ. If he had JJ (unlikely) or TT, he should not have thought for that long.

CleBrownsfan · 07-17-2007, 06:21 PM

So what time do you think this will be over with? I guessing only 5 or 6 more hours...

CleBrownsfan · 07-17-2007, 06:22 PM

IF the BB folded QQ I think he's crazy... as aggressive as this table has been I think I would have called with QQ

larrymcg421 · 07-17-2007, 06:22 PM

If the BB considered calling with TT, then he's even crazier I think.

Jas_lov · 07-17-2007, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CleBrownsfan

So what time do you think this will be over with? I guessing only 5 or 6 more hours...

I said Yang would be broke by dinner, but at this rate he could win by dinner. If Lam, Rahme, or Kalmer can double up it could go a lot longer than 5-6 hours though. Kravchenko is just hoping to pick up a hand and get back in it. He's already moved up about $1 million in prize money, which isn't bad considering he was the shorstack when play started.

QuikSand · 07-17-2007, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

What did BB fold? I'm honestly thinking he had QQ. If he had JJ (unlikely) or TT, he should not have thought for that long.

I was thinking a middle pair, maybe tens but any pair down to 77.

larrymcg421 · 07-17-2007, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

I was thinking a middle pair, maybe tens but any pair down to 77.

Would you have even considering calling with those hands in that situation? I think he took too long considering a call if his hand was in that range.

Lathum · 07-17-2007, 06:44 PM

I love Phil Hellmuth

Jas_lov · 07-17-2007, 06:48 PM

I wish they had Hellmuth on this thing all night, along with interviews of a drunk/wired Johnny Chan.

Lathum · 07-17-2007, 07:03 PM

And Yang makes his first misstep, calls an all in with J 10 and loses to A 10

Jas_lov · 07-17-2007, 07:11 PM

Another all in- Kalmer AK vs. Rahme JJ

CleBrownsfan · 07-17-2007, 07:13 PM

and the JJ held...

QuikSand · 07-17-2007, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Would you have even considering calling with those hands in that situation? I think he took too long considering a call if his hand was in that range.

Sorry, was away a bit. No, I'd fold them all, and probably only think a bit with TT, but I think he was giving it a lot of thought on purpose, maybe to send a message for later, even.

digamma · 07-17-2007, 07:40 PM

Down to four already. Our 8:00 game tonight may have no final table action to watch.

Lathum · 07-17-2007, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by digamma

Down to four already. Our 8:00 game tonight may have no final table action to watch.

the dinner break will add some time to it.

QuikSand · 07-17-2007, 07:49 PM

Alex Kravchenko has played his short stack for two days plus awfully well -- he's still a longshot to win this thing, but getting a million from where he has been in chips is awfully impressive. I trust that he has had to make some painful laydowns along the way.

CleBrownsfan · 07-17-2007, 08:16 PM

Yang (KQ) AI again - this time with Kravchenko(3/3)...

Kravchenko caught a set of 3's... and x2's up

CleBrownsfan · 07-17-2007, 08:17 PM

I think Kravchenko now will win this

Jas_lov · 07-17-2007, 08:17 PM

Yang doubles up Kravchenko again, this time calling 9 million with KQ vs. Kravchenko's 33. Yang still has over twice as much as 2nd though.

Lathum · 07-17-2007, 08:18 PM

Phil Gordon should just blow Kravchenko already

Maple Leafs · 07-17-2007, 08:29 PM

Quik, did you play in any events this year?

QuikSand · 07-17-2007, 08:35 PM

Yes, I played in two of the $1500 lottery events. Needless to say, nothing too much to report.

MrBigglesworth · 07-17-2007, 08:50 PM

Kahn is being interviewed, he is really interesting.

Gordon is a douche.

Lathum · 07-17-2007, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBigglesworth

Kahn is being interviewed, he is really interesting.

Gordon is a douche.

I kind of like Kahn after the interview.

Why do you think Gordon is a douche?

QuikSand · 07-17-2007, 08:56 PM

I agree, Khan comes off really well in his interview. Seems very genuine to me.

QuikSand · 07-17-2007, 09:00 PM

I'm not feeling the hate for Phil Gordon. I don't really have any quarrel with his commentary -- live commentary is pretty demanding, and trying to make on-the-spot reads like he has been doing is bound to be frought with misses (and he definitely has). He's been fine, seems to me.

MrBigglesworth · 07-17-2007, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I kind of like Kahn after the interview.

Why do you think Gordon is a douche?

Gordon has been misreading people all day (which is fine, I know how tough it is). But then they get Kahn on here to talk about what he was thinking, especially the in the dark all-in, and it was interesting and something that I never really thought of. Then the exchange was something like:

Kahn: I though maybe if I went all-in in the dark he would have a chance to lay it down, like if AAK came up or something.
Gordon: He would never lay it down.
Kahn: Well, maybe 2 out of 50 times, whatever.
Gordon: Never.

If you have spent the last 5 hours giving wrong reads and someone who just lost out on 8 million dollars is nice enough to come onto your broadcast and talk about his experience, you could at least throw him a bone. Plus he is trying to get everyone to say how bad of a player Yang is, and talked trash on Hellmuth as soon as he left the booth.

Jas_lov · 07-17-2007, 09:06 PM

I agree about Gordon. They're ripping him at 2+2, but it's hard to read players in live commentary who you've never played with or seen play before especially Jerry Yang. Now that he's seen them play a little bit maybe his reads will improve. Kahn was hilarious in the booth and very natural.

Lathum · 07-17-2007, 09:07 PM

I don't think he said anything bad about Hellmuth and I agree 100% with Gordon that he wouldn't lay down the jacks in that spot.

MrBigglesworth · 07-17-2007, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I don't think he said anything bad about Hellmuth and I agree 100% with Gordon that he wouldn't lay down the jacks in that spot.

Kahn didn't know he had jacks when he did it. Kahn was explaining why he did it, and Yang was known for calling and going all-in with marginal hands.

07-17-2007, 05:04 PM	#54
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07-17-2007, 05:58 PM	#58
CleBrownsfan Pro Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: C-Town	Rain(3,3) just doubled up Kravchenko(K,J spades). Flop 9 J x x x... __________________ *XBox Gamertag:* Pronk32 FOOL-X - Cleveland Naps FOOL - Cleveland Cyclones SLOP - Cuyahoga Spiders

07-17-2007, 06:02 PM	#59
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	I'm definitely taking the under on the Hellmuth bet. __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner

07-17-2007, 06:06 PM	#61
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07-17-2007, 06:06 PM	#62
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	I win. __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner

07-17-2007, 04:59 PM	#53
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I think it was reasonable to think he had the best hand there and he did. I think he played the player not his hand and he made the right descion and got unlucky.

07-17-2007, 05:16 PM	#55
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I really don't like "rain"

07-17-2007, 05:36 PM	#57
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	Rain recognizes that he has an opportunity to create a "brand" for himself, on beyond just what he might win at the table. With the lore about his online play, and the antics, it's not a bad play for him to get camera time with whatever he can, a la Bobby Bellande (a seemingly marginal player who is now a "name" mostly by virtue of acting like an ass).

07-17-2007, 06:12 PM	#63
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	dola This is quite a hand here. __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner Last edited by larrymcg421 : 07-17-2007 at 06:13 PM.

07-17-2007, 06:14 PM	#64
CleBrownsfan Pro Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: C-Town	I hope Yang dumps some chips here! __________________ *XBox Gamertag:* Pronk32 FOOL-X - Cleveland Naps FOOL - Cleveland Cyclones SLOP - Cuyahoga Spiders

07-17-2007, 06:15 PM	#65
CleBrownsfan Pro Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: C-Town	Yang = A 10 or A J __________________ *XBox Gamertag:* Pronk32 FOOL-X - Cleveland Naps FOOL - Cleveland Cyclones SLOP - Cuyahoga Spiders

07-17-2007, 06:16 PM	#66
CleBrownsfan Pro Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: C-Town	we got a call.... __________________ *XBox Gamertag:* Pronk32 FOOL-X - Cleveland Naps FOOL - Cleveland Cyclones SLOP - Cuyahoga Spiders

07-17-2007, 06:17 PM	#67
CleBrownsfan Pro Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: C-Town	ouch __________________ *XBox Gamertag:* Pronk32 FOOL-X - Cleveland Naps FOOL - Cleveland Cyclones SLOP - Cuyahoga Spiders

07-17-2007, 06:19 PM	#68
MrBigglesworth College Starter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: PA	This is the kind of god I can get behind.

07-17-2007, 06:20 PM	#70
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	Rain busts on a drawn-out hand... reraising Jerry with AQ, and eventually all in against him. He played the hald a bit aggressively, but that's no real surprise.

07-17-2007, 06:21 PM	#72
CleBrownsfan Pro Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: C-Town	So what time do you think this will be over with? I guessing only 5 or 6 more hours... __________________ *XBox Gamertag:* Pronk32 FOOL-X - Cleveland Naps FOOL - Cleveland Cyclones SLOP - Cuyahoga Spiders

07-17-2007, 06:22 PM	#73
CleBrownsfan Pro Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: C-Town	IF the BB folded QQ I think he's crazy... as aggressive as this table has been I think I would have called with QQ __________________ *XBox Gamertag:* Pronk32 FOOL-X - Cleveland Naps FOOL - Cleveland Cyclones SLOP - Cuyahoga Spiders

07-17-2007, 06:44 PM	#78
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I love Phil Hellmuth

07-17-2007, 06:48 PM	#79
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	I wish they had Hellmuth on this thing all night, along with interviews of a drunk/wired Johnny Chan.

07-17-2007, 07:03 PM	#80
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	And Yang makes his first misstep, calls an all in with J 10 and loses to A 10

07-17-2007, 07:11 PM	#81
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	Another all in- Kalmer AK vs. Rahme JJ

07-17-2007, 07:13 PM	#82
CleBrownsfan Pro Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: C-Town	and the JJ held... __________________ *XBox Gamertag:* Pronk32 FOOL-X - Cleveland Naps FOOL - Cleveland Cyclones SLOP - Cuyahoga Spiders

07-17-2007, 07:40 PM	#84
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	Down to four already. Our 8:00 game tonight may have no final table action to watch.

07-17-2007, 07:49 PM	#86
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	Alex Kravchenko has played his short stack for two days plus awfully well -- he's still a longshot to win this thing, but getting a million from where he has been in chips is awfully impressive. I trust that he has had to make some painful laydowns along the way.

07-17-2007, 08:16 PM	#87
CleBrownsfan Pro Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: C-Town	Yang (KQ) AI again - this time with Kravchenko(3/3)... Kravchenko caught a set of 3's... and x2's up __________________ *XBox Gamertag:* Pronk32 FOOL-X - Cleveland Naps FOOL - Cleveland Cyclones SLOP - Cuyahoga Spiders Last edited by CleBrownsfan : 07-17-2007 at 08:16 PM.

07-17-2007, 08:17 PM	#88
CleBrownsfan Pro Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: C-Town	I think Kravchenko now will win this __________________ *XBox Gamertag:* Pronk32 FOOL-X - Cleveland Naps FOOL - Cleveland Cyclones SLOP - Cuyahoga Spiders

07-17-2007, 08:18 PM	#90
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Phil Gordon should just blow Kravchenko already

07-17-2007, 08:29 PM	#91
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	Quik, did you play in any events this year? __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

07-17-2007, 08:35 PM	#92
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	Yes, I played in two of the $1500 lottery events. Needless to say, nothing too much to report.

07-17-2007, 08:50 PM	#93
MrBigglesworth College Starter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: PA	Kahn is being interviewed, he is really interesting. Gordon is a douche.

07-17-2007, 08:56 PM	#95
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	I agree, Khan comes off really well in his interview. Seems very genuine to me. Last edited by QuikSand : 07-17-2007 at 08:58 PM.

07-17-2007, 09:00 PM	#96
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	I'm not feeling the hate for Phil Gordon. I don't really have any quarrel with his commentary -- live commentary is pretty demanding, and trying to make on-the-spot reads like he has been doing is bound to be frought with misses (and he definitely has). He's been fine, seems to me.

07-17-2007, 09:06 PM	#98
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	I agree about Gordon. They're ripping him at 2+2, but it's hard to read players in live commentary who you've never played with or seen play before especially Jerry Yang. Now that he's seen them play a little bit maybe his reads will improve. Kahn was hilarious in the booth and very natural.

07-17-2007, 09:07 PM	#99
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I don't think he said anything bad about Hellmuth and I agree 100% with Gordon that he wouldn't lay down the jacks in that spot.

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