Sony PS3 to be delayed to 07, and Cost $900 to make?

[Raiders Army]

At $500 a pop, would they be taking a pretty big substantial hit on each machine?

If a regular Blu-Ray player costs $1000 for the consumer and $500 to produce, then wouldn't the PS3 cost at least $750 to produce? In that case, they would be taking a massive loss on each PS3 sold. Stores need to make a profit, so they would sell them to the distributors for say, $400 apiece, which is a decent profit for the distributors and stores (with a $500 MSRP), especially factoring in all the "extras" consumers will buy. At that rate, they would lose $350 for each PS3 sold. If they're trying to sell three million by Christmas, that's over a billion dollars in losses. There's no way that will happen.

The only thing I see happening is releasing the PS3 without Blu-Ray like the Xbox 360.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

At $500 a pop, would they be taking a pretty big substantial hit on each machine?

If a regular Blu-Ray player costs $1000 for the consumer and $500 to produce, then wouldn't the PS3 cost at least $750 to produce? In that case, they would be taking a massive loss on each PS3 sold. Stores need to make a profit, so they would sell them to the distributors for say, $400 apiece, which is a decent profit for the distributors and stores (with a $500 MSRP), especially factoring in all the "extras" consumers will buy. At that rate, they would lose $350 for each PS3 sold. If they're trying to sell three million by Christmas, that's over a billion dollars in losses. There's no way that will happen.

The only thing I see happening is releasing the PS3 without Blu-Ray like the Xbox 360.

They've built out the financial model. You wouldn't believe the amount of cash that Sony will make if Blue-Ray becomes the standard. It makes the losses on hardware for PS3 seem insignificant. The only way they can do that is to get it out in the PS3's. It will be $500 and Sony will stand to make huge profits if/when all media is created with Blue-Ray.

[dixieflatline]

I agree with everyone else about the final price. I posted earlier the CNET article about the component price and itt appears Sony believes that the blu-ray drive price will drop dramatically in the next year. If that is the case they might only be taking a huge hit on the first few million sold. Slightly off topic but still interesting is this article about how poor sales for the UMD movies for the PSP are. Some very negative comments from the movie people in there. This seems to be another attempt at making the game system do something completely different and it doesn't appear like the public is buying it. Sony should look hard at this because it appears they could be heading down the same road with the PS3.

[KJDelaney]

big reason for the delay is not for games as much as it is with the Blu Ray technology.

BTW, all platform makers sell machines at a loss. backend money is from games and accessories, as well as game network, IE xbox live.

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by Kodos

There's no way it will sell for even close to $900. I'd predict $500 tops. Plus, PS3 is important in the format wars. Sony wants Blu-Ray to prevail.

Looks Like you're wrong, Kodos..

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060405-6526.html

PlayStation 3 European pricing revealed

4/5/2006 10:55:59 AM, by Ken Fisher

The president of Sony Computer Entertainment France and vice president of Sony Computer Entertainment Europe, George Fornay, is talking price when it comes to the PlayStation 3. In a radio show with France's Europe 1, Fornay said that the PlayStation 3 will sell for between €499 and €599. Fornay acknowledged that the price may seem steep, but he emphasized that that price should be seen as inexpensive when one considers that the console will also play Blu-ray movies. Fornay also confirmed that Sony would be going for a simultaneous launch of the console in November of this year.

(that's $600-$725 in US Dollars)

[dixieflatline]

Wow. Just wow. I'm sure that MS is licking their chops and will be reducing the xbox to way undercut this. I think I am going to look into short selling some Sony stock...

[SackAttack]

Foz, the story I read at GameSpot didn't attribute this as an official stance, but rather what the President of SCEF personally believed the hardware would cost.

Seems likely, but I don't know if this is official by any means.

[Deattribution]

Even at that price, if the Blu-ray disc catch on, early on that will be a steal for a blu-ray DVD player along with the fact it's also a top of the line console system with a supposed pre-installed OS also.

[Philliesfan980]

Originally Posted by Deattribution

Even at that price, if the Blu-ray disc catch on, early on that will be a steal for a blu-ray DVD player along with the fact it's also a top of the line console system with a supposed pre-installed OS also.

Why would I care about an OS in my console?

[Deattribution]

Originally Posted by Philliesfan980

Why would I care about an OS in my console?

What's the disadvantage? If anything, it adds some possibilities.

[dixieflatline]

From Cnet:

Sony has cut the U.S. price of its popular PlayStation 2 video game console by about 13 percent, saying the discount should help fuel demand.

In a statement Thursday, the company said that effective immediately, the PlayStation 2 computer entertainment system would retail for about $130, down from a previous price of around $149.

Analysts have been waiting for a price reduction on Sony's market-leading video game console ahead of the expected release of its new PlayStation 3 in November. Sony has kept mum on its price.

Video game console makers typically reduce prices to spur demand, particularly as a device ages, or ahead of the launch of a new model.

PlayStation 2, first introduced in 2000, has shipped over 101 million units and dominates the interactive game console market, despite the introduction last year of Microsoft's next-generation device, Xbox 360. The more popular premium Xbox 360 system retails for $400.

Sony last cut the price on its stand-alone PS2 to about $149 from $179 in June 2004. Last week, Lazard Capital Markets analyst Colin Sebastian suggested that Microsoft could also trim the price on its original Xbox device, but said the impact of that would be limited, due to dwindling supplies of the machine, which now sells for around $149.

Console price cuts could also recharge slumping U.S. video game sales, which fell 8 percent in March, the seventh straight monthly decline, according to data from market research firm NPD Group.

Things just aren't looking all that good for Sony. With the PS3 coming how many people are going to buy a PS2 now? And still no final word one PS3 pricing.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by Deattribution

Even at that price, if the Blu-ray disc catch on, early on that will be a steal for a blu-ray DVD player along with the fact it's also a top of the line console system with a supposed pre-installed OS also.

I don't buy my consoles for playing movies. It's a nice function and all, but I have a DVD player and surround system for playing them. Blu Ray? Sounds nice and all, but I'm not a huge DVD buyer anyway and will probably be more than content to wait for the price to drop.

Does Sony really expect me to drop $600 on a console with first generation titles when the Xbox 360 will be in the middle of their second gen titles with a library full of solid titles?

I'm a geek. I buy every freakin new gadget I can afford. It's my drug. I have a 360, a high end PDA, a high end laptop, a powerhouse desktop, a PSP, an expensive cell phone, an HD TV and a high end surround sound system. Even I have to look at the bottom line on occasion and say "Is this REALLY worth it?"

A 600 dollar price tag for the system (which would essentially be an 900 or more price tag after an extra controller, a couple of games and accessories) is going to cause me to ask that question. The answer is pretty simple. NO.

[dixieflatline]

Originally Posted by TroyF

I'm a geek. I buy every freakin new gadget I can afford. It's my drug. I have a 360, a high end PDA, a high end laptop, a powerhouse desktop, a PSP, an expensive cell phone, an HD TV and a high end surround sound system.

It appears I have a new hero...

[Deattribution]

Originally Posted by TroyF

I don't buy my consoles for playing movies. It's a nice function and all, but I have a DVD player and surround system for playing them. Blu Ray? Sounds nice and all, but I'm not a huge DVD buyer anyway and will probably be more than content to wait for the price to drop.

Does Sony really expect me to drop $600 on a console with first generation titles when the Xbox 360 will be in the middle of their second gen titles with a library full of solid titles?

I'm a geek. I buy every freakin new gadget I can afford. It's my drug. I have a 360, a high end PDA, a high end laptop, a powerhouse desktop, a PSP, an expensive cell phone, an HD TV and a high end surround sound system. Even I have to look at the bottom line on occasion and say "Is this REALLY worth it?"

A 600 dollar price tag for the system (which would essentially be an 900 or more price tag after an extra controller, a couple of games and accessories) is going to cause me to ask that question. The answer is pretty simple. NO.

But the reality is there is a large portion of people with HDtvs who want HD DVDs, your choices are $400 for a HDDVD player, or $600 for a PS3 with blu-ray and a gaming system. Not to mention there will be completely different titles for each player.

Plus, nobody knows what the PS3 is launching with, so its a bit short-sighted to shit on their releases before theyve even announced any.

[Marc Vaughan]

The reality of the situation as I see it.

Sony exec slips up and accidentally released the price of the PS-3 (cough) .. people react with shock and indicate they'd never buy it at that price.

Fast forward to just before release, Sony release pricing details for the PS-3 suprisingly its much reduced from the 'slipped' price given 'x' months before hand, its still higher than most other consoles at release but people ignore that and concentrate upon how much cheaper it is than they'd expected and besides its 'not' that much more expensive than a BluRay player on its own ... so why not get one

(if I remember right something similar happened with the PS-2 launch a few years back now)

[sterlingice]

Why, that's almost like having someone at a large respected news organization claim it's going to cost $900 to start a panic and that Sony would release a much lower price and release date at E3 *gasps*


SI

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by Deattribution

But the reality is there is a large portion of people with HDtvs who want HD DVDs, your choices are $400 for a HDDVD player, or $600 for a PS3 with blu-ray and a gaming system. Not to mention there will be completely different titles for each player.

Plus, nobody knows what the PS3 is launching with, so its a bit short-sighted to shit on their releases before theyve even announced any.

I said "if"

No, we don't know yet. No matter what the price tag, the system probably won't have a lot with it. The standard is the console and a controller. Maybe they add a HD, though there are reports all over the map as to if it will even have one.

Add in another controller ($50), a wireless hook up for their network ($100), their gaming network cost ($50), a couple of games ($120) and you are over $300 in accessories no matter what the starting cost is.

If that starting cost approaches the $600 price point? Forget it. I'm not spending a grand on a video game system so I can have the joy of Blue Ray. If I get a hard on for a Blue Ray player, I'll but a high quality set top to go with the rest of my setup.

We'll see where it really comes out at. We'll also see how the bundles will be priced. Then I'll make a decision. But I'm allowed to voice an opinion before I see all the facts.

[Deattribution]

Originally Posted by TroyF

I said "if"

Not to nitpick, but no you didn't

[ISiddiqui]

I doubt most people will buy a PS3 because it has "Blu-Ray". Most people will wait out the Hi Def DVD wars to see who wins. Especially since the Big Six studios are divided on the standard.

[terpkristin]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

I doubt most people will buy a PS3 because it has "Blu-Ray". Most people will wait out the Hi Def DVD wars to see who wins. Especially since the Big Six studios are divided on the standard.

Maybe, maybe not. If I remember correctly, the DVD won the format wars "back in the day" because of the popularity of the PS2 in Japan, and the fact that it could play DVD's. Perhaps it might not be a motivating factor as much here in the states, but consoles have helped "win format wars" in the past and I'm betting Sony is hoping to do it again (though we see how miserably they failed with the UMD movies).

Mark my words, consoles and porn will determine the winner of the next gen format wars. The trick will be to see which format most of the porn industry chooses...

/tk

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by terpkristin

Maybe, maybe not. If I remember correctly, the DVD won the format wars "back in the day" because of the popularity of the PS2 in Japan, and the fact that it could play DVD's. Perhaps it might not be a motivating factor as much here in the states, but consoles have helped "win format wars" in the past and I'm betting Sony is hoping to do it again (though we see how miserably they failed with the UMD movies).

What was the competing format with DVD? IIRC, the two competing formats were united by IBM's President to avoid a format war.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by terpkristin

Maybe, maybe not. If I remember correctly, the DVD won the format wars "back in the day" because of the popularity of the PS2 in Japan, and the fact that it could play DVD's. Perhaps it might not be a motivating factor as much here in the states, but consoles have helped "win format wars" in the past and I'm betting Sony is hoping to do it again (though we see how miserably they failed with the UMD movies).

Mark my words, consoles and porn will determine the winner of the next gen format wars. The trick will be to see which format most of the porn industry chooses...

/tk

What format war was going on when the PS2 came out? DVD versus what? It was in 2000 (PS2 release) and people were already overwhelmingly replacing VHS machines with DVD players. DVD was the fastest accepted format in media history, largely because there was not a competition in format. The -/+ media format was quickly quelched as players ran both along wth CDs. The benefit of digital disc format. Something that was not really an option with the Beta/VHS issue.

I see the Blu Ray HD-DVD being more like the DVD-R and DVD+R. Both are digital and I'm sure someone will develope a player that plays both before too long. By the time average people want or feel like they need a super hi def format, you will be able to buy a player that plays both blu ray and HD-DVD.

[stevew]

Divx was a competing format IIRC. And I think that the bickering was mainly quelched before the release of the dvd players anyways.

[Marc Vaughan]

I doubt most people will buy a PS3 because it has "Blu-Ray". Most people will wait out the Hi Def DVD wars to see who wins. Especially since the Big Six studios are divided on the standard.

I agree with this wholeheartedly - I think Sony's backed the wrong horse in using 'Blu-Ray' as its big selling point, it worked with the PS-2 because DVD's were increasing in popularity and pretty much everyone knew they'd get one eventually.

As it stands few people I know out of 360 owners even have a HD television and so BluRay is of nominal interest at best to them, to me the standard has the 'feel' of those VideoDisks or whatever they were that looked like LP's before the DVD came along.

(I still think they or Xbox360 should have used a Tivo style program as the consoles main selling point that IS something which most people want and are increasingly getting these days, heck if people already have one then chances are they'd like their kids to have one also so they don't squabble over recording space or play backs ... I know I've been considering getting Sky+ (English equivalent) for my daughter as a birthday present for just that reason (didn't do it because of the monthly subscription/because I'm a tightwad .. but thats another issue ).

[Deattribution]

Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan

I agree with this wholeheartedly - I think Sony's backed the wrong horse in using 'Blu-Ray' as its big selling point, it worked with the PS-2 because DVD's were increasing in popularity and pretty much everyone knew they'd get one eventually.

As it stands few people I know out of 360 owners even have a HD television and so BluRay is of nominal interest at best to them, to me the standard has the 'feel' of those VideoDisks or whatever they were that looked like LP's before the DVD came along.

(I still think they or Xbox360 should have used a Tivo style program as the consoles main selling point that IS something which most people want and are increasingly getting these days, heck if people already have one then chances are they'd like their kids to have one also so they don't squabble over recording space or play backs ... I know I've been considering getting Sky+ (English equivalent) for my daughter as a birthday present for just that reason (didn't do it because of the monthly subscription/because I'm a tightwad .. but thats another issue ).

But isn't the purpose of the blu-ray beyond just DVDs? I mean, initially it's the selling point - but you're talking about up to 40 gigs(?) (supposedly like 12? at the start but ability to expand) of disc space for games. Even if it doesn't hit huge in the DVD market, it still makes the console potentially superior.

[Marc Vaughan]

But isn't the purpose of the blu-ray beyond just DVDs? I mean, initially it's the selling point - but you're talking about up to 40 gigs(?) (supposedly like 12? at the start but ability to expand) of disc space for games. Even if it doesn't hit huge in the DVD market, it still makes the console potentially superior.

Errr considering most games don't fully fill a DVD currently I think BluRay isn't going to really be utilised in that manner to a great extent unless games go heavy on the HDTV video footage for fillers between levels and suchlike.

Its also worth considering that distribution of games is likely to move further towards digital distribution within the next 5 years with it becoming very common place imho within 10 years, as such BluRay imho isn't really a contributing factor towards games as much as towards movies.

(as always feel free to ignore my tuppence worth, my wife normally does )

[dixieflatline]

From cnet.

Sony posted a 68 percent rise in annual operating profit on Thursday on investment gains and robust sales of flat TVs, but forecast a surprisingly sharp fall this business year.

Start-up costs for the PlayStation 3 will push its game division deep into the red, the company said.

Sony's earnings were inflated in the past business year by windfall profits at its life insurance unit, which saw valuation gains soar with the rallying Japanese stock market, as well as a one-off boost related to its pension fund and a softer yen.

But the strong result also underscores fundamental improvements including healthy sales of its PlayStation Portable (PSP) handheld game console, Vaio PCs and recently launched Bravia brand liquid crystal display (LCD) TVs.

Sony forecast group operating profit to slide 48 percent to $872 million (100 billion yen) in the year to March, well short of the market consensus of $1.49 billion (171.2 billion yen), the average figure from 19 analysts surveyed by Reuters Estimates.

It projected sales to jump 10 percent to $71.4 billion (8.2 trillion yen).

That followed a surprisingly large operating profit of $1.66 billion in the previous financial year, up from $993 million in 2004/05 and blowing past the consensus figure of $1.14 billion. Sony's own forecast was for $871.8 million.

It was still unclear how investors would react.

"This will probably be a bit of a headache for analysts," said Koichi Ogawa, chief portfolio manager at Daiwa SB Investments. "The results were pretty good, but on the surface the forecast looks bad.... The stock may fall a bit tomorrow."

The weak outlook comes despite a sharp drop in restructuring expenses, which were front-loaded in 2005/06--the first year of a revival plan under which the company set out to close several factories, sell assets and cut 10,000 jobs.

The main culprit is the game division, which Sony said would rack up an operating loss of $871.8 million this business year as it gears up to launch the PS3 in November, overshadowing an expected recovery by its core electronics unit.

Sony said it expected to sell 6 million PS3 units by March.

"We believe that we can lower costs dramatically (on the PS3) through chip shrinkage and by cutting the number of parts, but there is no way to avoid high costs in the first year," Sony Senior Vice President Takao Yuhara told a news conference.

So it appears that sony is planning on an operating loss of $871.8 million all from the PS3 launch. And I am sure someone can find a good shrinkage joke in there.

[Deattribution]

Little bit as to why Sony is so adamant about getting their blu-ray drives on the PS3.

Originally Posted by Ign.com

With all of this confusion, some folks may wonder why Sony has been so outright steadfast about including Blu-ray in the PlayStation 3. Aside from simply making things confusing, the format has also played a large role in the system's delay to November of this year.

Really, there are multiple answers to this. First and most obviously, gaming benefits most from Blu-ray's massive storage capabilities, with dual-layer discs capable of holding up to 50GB of data. Dual-layer HD-DVDs can store about 30GB by comparison while dual-later DVDs can store around 9GBs. The Blu-ray Disc Association is currently experimenting with eight-layer discs capable of holding a whopping 200GB of data. If that's not enough room for you RPG gamers out there, we don't know what is.


More importantly in Sony's long-term plans as an electronics giant, however, is Blu-ray's role in movies. While Blu-ray will likely do fairly well on its own (once the prices come down to more consumer-friendly levels, anyway), Sony is using the PlayStation 3 to act as something of a Trojan Horse to get players into people's homes. If the PS3 is roughly as successful as Sony's past consoles, that would mean somewhere around 100 million Blu-ray players in homes all over the world in around five years or so, not counting standalone players.

Being as Sony pioneered the technology, should Blu-ray win out over HD-DVD and supplant DVD as the standard in home video, the company stands to make a fortune raking in a small percentage for every Blu-ray disc sold, similar to how it currently takes a licensing cut for every game sold.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by dixieflatline

From cnet.



So it appears that sony is planning on an operating loss of $871.8 million all from the PS3 launch. And I am sure someone can find a good shrinkage joke in there.

It's worth noting they're talking about $871.8m in losses by the end of the fiscal year (March 31) and 6 million units sold also by March.

That'd translate into a loss of $145.30 on every system sold...but it's difficult to directly predict from that what the price of the system will be, because that figure could also take into account higher losses ameliorated by the sale of PlayStation 3 software. At any rate, that does make it seem likely that we're going to be looking at a $499-549 price point at launch for PS3.

[dervack]

In other console news, Nintendo renamed their console, opting for the name Wii (we), as in Wii can't think of a good name for our system.

[stevew]

Revolution was a stupid name, dunno about the replacement however.

[Deattribution]

I actually liked Revolution, as 'I am going to go play with my Wii (we)' doesn't sound so hot.

[Deattribution]

dola

Needless to say, it's going to be the butt of alot of jokes.

They may have just revolutionized the way Wii watch the system fail.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Deattribution

I actually liked Revolution, as 'I am going to go play with my Wii (we)' doesn't sound so hot.

Agreed on both counts. LOL on your second comment.

[ISiddiqui]

Well I thought it was obvious that Sony is pushing for Blu-Ray so it can try to 'force' the standard.

[dixieflatline]

OK one more story. I promise this will be the last one I post before the real price is announced but for some reason I am just really interested in this story. From forbes:

Sparking one last round of rumors and excitement among gamers before a big convention in Los Angeles, an independent PlayStation magazine said it had the final word Wednesday on pricing for Sony’s PS3 console.

The machine will cost $399, contain a 60 gigabyte hard drive and will go on sale in the first half of November, according to PSM. The PS3 was originally scheduled for release in Spring 2006.

A Sony (nyse: SNE - news - people ) spokeswoman said earlier this month that no further details on pricing or launch would become available until May 8 at a press event ahead of the E3 game industry trade show.

The pricing details in PSM -- which noted that the console would sell for 322 euros in Europe -- differ drastically from an earlier rumor from vice president of Sony Computer Entertainment Europe George Fornay that put the European price at 499 euros.

A $399 PS3 would be competitive with the Microsoft (nasdaq: MSFT - news - people ) Xbox 360, which went on sale in November 2005 and also costs $399. The PS3, however, contains a high-definition Blu-Ray drive, while the Xbox 360 could eventually ship with a $100 HD disc drive but doesn’t currently.

Stand-alone HD disc drives from Toshiba (other-otc: TOSBF.PK - news - people ) went on sale in April and retailed for $499 each.

On April 21, Sony slashed prices on its older console, the PS2, to $129 from $149. The company has “a long-term vision for the PlayStation 2 platform,” said Sony Computer Entertainment chief executive officer America Kaz Hirai.

So this is the lowest figure that we had heard and would mean that sony would be selling the console at less than half of what they will initially take to produce. Really though I just don't think they have an alternative. I just don't see people buying a $500 console when the Xbox will have more titles at a much lower price at that point.

Anyway, that last line I also find very interesting. "Long term vision for the PS2"? You mean it has a future that doesn't involve the scrap heap?

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by dixieflatline

OK one more story. I promise this will be the last one I post before the real price is announced but for some reason I am just really interested in this story. From forbes:



So this is the lowest figure that we had heard and would mean that sony would be selling the console at less than half of what they will initially take to produce. Really though I just don't think they have an alternative. I just don't see people buying a $500 console when the Xbox will have more titles at a much lower price at that point.

Anyway, that last line I also find very interesting. "Long term vision for the PS2"? You mean it has a future that doesn't involve the scrap heap?

Sony's big on "ten-year console life cycles." They made a big deal about it with the PlayStation and they've been talking about it with the PS2 since at least 2003.

Isn't going to amount to shit because third parties won't develop for it forever - at least the ones aiming at adult gamers won't - but it looks nice in a press release.

$400 with a 60 gig HDD and a Blu-ray drive tells me one of two things.

1) They're serious about pushing Blu-ray.
2) Either Microsoft's North American success has them worried to the point where they're not concerned with the money they're going to lose initially, they just don't want to see their market share erode further when people are already iffy over $400, or else they're taking it seriously when people say "I don't give a damn about the Blu-ray player. I'm buying this for games, and it better not exceed {price point here}."

Maybe both.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Excellent news for Sony fans. Loyalty might waiver some if the price point would have been $500+. With a $399 price point including Blu-Ray, you could buy the PS3 and not do anything other than watch Blu-Ray DVD's and still have a great piece of equipment. We'll obviously hear more about this given that E3 Expo is just around the corner.

[sterlingice]

C'mon, guys- who really thought the PS3 would open at a price higher than $500? All you've been posting so far is rumor and "analyst" guesses. But, c'mon, $900 just doesn't pass the smell test. Heck, anything over $500 doesn't pass the smell test. It just wouldn't sell and Sony needs this to sell well so that they can get good traction with Blu-Ray.

SI

[dixieflatline]

Still there is a difference between $500 and $400 I agree that anything over $500 would be crazy but I think if it starts out to $400 a lot more people here would be happy.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by dixieflatline

Still there is a difference between $500 and $400 I agree that anything over $500 would be crazy but I think if it starts out to $400 a lot more people here would be happy.

That's all very true, but I'm sure Sony, as Microsoft did, will be carefull weighing how many they'd sell or if they'd rather have $100 per unit. Even with just a million units sold the first year, that's a $100M dollar difference and they'll likely sell more than that.

SI

[TazFTW]

November 17, with a 20GB hard drive for $499. With a 60GB hard drive it'll cost $599.

[KWhit]

Source?

[TazFTW]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Source?

http://www.gamespot.com/e3/e3story.html?sid=6149470

[DaddyTorgo]

499? Damm..watch this thing el tanko

[ISiddiqui]

Yikes... by November, PS3 will be like $200 above the XBox 360 Premium (which is rumored to drop price by $100 in October)!

[KWhit]

Yeah, that's way too pricey, IMO.

[Eaglesfan27]

I'll wait until the price goes down to pick one up.

[Neuqua]

I'm very much anticipating this release. I don't know if I am going to get it myself, but I want to see what kind of numbers it pulls in from others.

[Easy Mac]

No force feedback for the controllers, it messes up their sensors. I don't really care, I find that annoying anyway, but still.