OT: The FOFC Comedy Draft - Page 2

Ramzavail · 01-04-2006, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

I think people are way too rough on Robin Williams. He can be annoying, but he has his moments where he can be brilliant. I think it's just kind of fashionable to hate him.

I don't hate him (although he sweats like a pig on stage), I just think he was taken way way too high, ie. Andre Ware

Edit: Also, his best work has been in movies especially in non-comedy roles.

Schmidty · 01-04-2006, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramzavail

Edit: Also, his best work has been in movies especially in non-comedy roles.

I agree. He was amazing in "One Hour Photo" in particular.

kcchief19 · 01-04-2006, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Williams is a solid pick. What's interesting about both he and Steve Martin is that they could have gone in other categories -- both would be very strong movie picks, and Williams could be sitcom too. It will be interesting to see how it plays out in terms of which positions end up being hardest to fill.

That's why I stunned to see Schmidty take Seinfeld as a Sitcom Actor. Easily one of the five greatest standup guys of all-time.

Carlin was an obvious choice, but to me he fits into a category of comedians -- Richard Pryor is in that group to, along with two others I expect to be selected at some point -- that rely too much on shock value and breaking tabboos for the humor. I'll admit I favor comedians who work a bit cleaner, although I'm sure I'll end up with one or two comedians who know how to drop a good f-bomb.

oliegirl · 01-04-2006, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramzavail

Edit: Also, his best work has been in movies especially in non-comedy roles.

I agree, though as a comedian, I think he is a genius and he is definitely my favorite comedian

Maple Leafs · 01-04-2006, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kcchief19

That's why I stunned to see Schmidty take Seinfeld as a Sitcom Actor. Easily one of the five greatest standup guys of all-time.

Carlin was an obvious choice, but to me he fits into a category of comedians -- Richard Pryor is in that group to, along with two others I expect to be selected at some point -- that rely too much on shock value and breaking tabboos for the humor. I'll admit I favor comedians who work a bit cleaner, although I'm sure I'll end up with one or two comedians who know how to drop a good f-bomb.

See, I'd strongly disagree here. Seinfeld is a good comedian who had a great sitcom. Sure, he helped pioneer the observational humor form of standup, but even his best stuff is just sort... good. He's never been milk-out-the-nose, drive-off-the-road funny like others. I've actually argued that based on the fame from his show, he's actually one of the most over-rated standup comedians of all time.

But as a sitcom star, he's a great pick.

Schmidty · 01-04-2006, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kcchief19

That's why I stunned to see Schmidty take Seinfeld as a Sitcom Actor. Easily one of the five greatest standup guys of all-time.

Although I can see where you're coming from, I think the majority of people know him from his sitcom. I, for one, don't find his stand-up nearly as funny as his show.

We'll see how it works out. I have a lot of stand-up guys in mind.

Ramzavail · 01-04-2006, 03:00 PM

I'm a huge Seinfeld fan both sitcom and standup, so I'm bias, but lets be honest, he's great pick no matter where you pick him however you only get one sitcom pick (I think thats right) and he's the Babe Ruth of the field.

Edit: Wishes he was in this draft now

albionmoonlight · 01-04-2006, 03:03 PM

With three picks to go, I feel really good about who is left on the board.

kcchief19 · 01-04-2006, 03:04 PM

The commissioner will soon be stepping to the podium to announce our first trade.

kcchief is sending his first round pick and 10th round to Maple Leafs for his second round pick and sixth round pick. Discuss.

sabotai · 01-04-2006, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramzavail

I'm a huge Seinfeld fan both sitcom and standup, so I'm bias, but lets be honest, he's great pick no matter where you pick him however you only get one sitcom pick (I think thats right) and he's the Babe Ruth of the field.

That's what I was thinking, and why I had him #1 on my board for sitcom actor. He's much more valuable there than in stand up. There are lots of great stand up comedians to choose from, but the crowd is thin for truely great sitcom stars.

timmynausea · 01-04-2006, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

See, I'd strongly disagree here. Seinfeld is a good comedian who had a great sitcom. Sure, he helped pioneer the observational humor form of standup, but even his best stuff is just sort... good. He's never been milk-out-the-nose, drive-off-the-road funny like others. I've actually argued that based on the fame from his show, he's actually one of the most over-rated standup comedians of all time.

But as a sitcom star, he's a great pick.

That's pretty much exactly what I was thinking.

Maple Leafs · 01-04-2006, 03:06 PM

Trade to announce:

Team kcchief trades picks 1.7 and 10.7 to Team Maple Leafs for picks 2.7 and 6.7.

Karlifornia · 01-04-2006, 03:06 PM

Hicks was taken too early. No doubt that he was funny enough to be a first-rounder, but he would probably still be on the board in the second or third round.. Just my 2 cents.....

Crapshoot · 01-04-2006, 03:07 PM

eh - I think Cheers was better than Seinfeld, so I would have gone bold with Ted Danson in round 2 or 3 as my sitcom pick.

sabotai · 01-04-2006, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RadioFriendlyUnitShifter

Hicks was taken too early. No doubt that he was funny enough to be a first-rounder, but he would probably still be on the board in the second or third round.. Just my 2 cents.....

I was going to let him go to round 2, but someone mentioned him in a post so figured I should grab him now.

Ramzavail · 01-04-2006, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RadioFriendlyUnitShifter

Hicks was taken too early. No doubt that he was funny enough to be a first-rounder, but he would probably still be on the board in the second or third round.. Just my 2 cents.....

I agree, I mean pshh, I've never even heard him on XM Comedy.

Great trade for MapleLeaf, I just hope he's looking at who I am thinking about and then, he's the steal of the draft.

sabotai · 01-04-2006, 03:09 PM

Can people PLEASE stop mentioning possible picks?

albionmoonlight · 01-04-2006, 03:10 PM

Yeah--there were two guys who could have gone #1, IMO, and one of them is still on the board.

Maple Leafs · 01-04-2006, 03:16 PM

I'm not sure I have a good enough feel for this draft to know whether moving up is a good choice. It's very possible I just traded up to get a guy who would have been there for me in the second round. That said, I'm a believer in value-based drafting.

While there are some big names still available who would make excellent choices, I think there's only category in this draft that has a clear-cut, no-questions-asked leader. Ask a comedian for the name of the greatest standup performer or sitcom actor ever and they'll argue all night. But in this category, there's no debate.

With pick 1.7, the Maple Leafs take talkshow host Johnny Carson.

Ramzavail · 01-04-2006, 03:18 PM

Good pick and high value.

vtbub · 01-04-2006, 03:19 PM

U poopyhead Sean.

With the 8th pick, vtbub takes Bob Hope at standup

Ramzavail · 01-04-2006, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by vtbub

U poopyhead Sean.

With the 8th pick, vtbub takes Bob Hope

what position?

Bearcat729 · 01-04-2006, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramzavail

I agree, I mean pshh, I've never even heard him on XM Comedy.

Great trade for MapleLeaf, I just hope he's looking at who I am thinking about and then, he's the steal of the draft.

Then your missing one of the greats. I agree that Hicks would have been around in a later round, but he is more than deserving of being taken when he was.

Radii · 01-04-2006, 03:22 PM

My #1 is still out there.

albionmoonlight · 01-04-2006, 03:22 PM

With the 9th pick, I take Movie Actor Charlie Chaplin.

Ramzavail · 01-04-2006, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat729

Then your missing one of the greats. I agree that Hicks would have been around in a later round, but he is more than deserving of being taken when he was.

I've heard of him, but I know he's been dead for a while and I'm not saying that XM is the end all know all of comedy, but I listen to the station an hour a day and have never heard him once.

vtbub · 01-04-2006, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramzavail

what position?

Standup. His USO stuff was better then his later TV Specials, but he was funny at whatever he did.

Ramzavail · 01-04-2006, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by vtbub

Standup. His USO stuff was better then his later TV Specials, but he was funny at whatever he did.

Wow, thats easily the wrong choice.

The clear cut choice, I thought would be movie actor.

sachmo71 · 01-04-2006, 03:40 PM

I would have no problem taking Robin Williams at 2 as a stand-up as well. I almost went for another person, but I never really got into him. I've decided that this is all going to be my personal preference, and damn the masses!

vtbub · 01-04-2006, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramzavail

Wow, thats easily the wrong choice.

The clear cut choice, I thought would be movie actor.

I'm not sure there really is a clear cut choice for Hope. I went with what I thought most people would remember him for.

sabotai · 01-04-2006, 03:46 PM

I can't think of any Bob Hope movies. Doubt I've ever seen one he's been in.

TazFTW · 01-04-2006, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by sabotai

I can't think of any Bob Hope movies. Doubt I've ever seen one he's been in.

The 'Road to (insert place here)' films.

Example. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0032993/

ntndeacon · 01-04-2006, 03:53 PM

Charlie Chaplin was an inspired pick in my opinion.

ntndeacon · 01-04-2006, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by sabotai

I can't think of any Bob Hope movies. Doubt I've ever seen one he's been in.

Paleface is pretty funny too.

sabotai · 01-04-2006, 03:54 PM

I watch a lot of movies from the 40's... (/sarcasm)

Maple Leafs · 01-04-2006, 03:57 PM

Hope is a very good pick.

Chaplin... wow, he never even occurred to me, but it's a very strong pick. "Inspired" is actually a good description, agreed here.

As we hit the end of the day, remember to send in advance picks. I don't pick again until round three, so I'm a good person to send your picks to -- I can't steal them for a while yet.

albionmoonlight · 01-04-2006, 04:05 PM

Thanks for the kind words about Chaplin. I was amazed that he fell to #9. I would have probably taken him at #1 overall.

jeff061 · 01-04-2006, 04:13 PM

Hicks is my #1 guy over Carlin, I think I would of taken him in the late 1st or 2nd.

jeff061 · 01-04-2006, 04:15 PM

Dola, he's the kind of guy you'll get 1st place votes for even if the rest of your lineup sucks

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Schmidty · 01-04-2006, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Thanks for the kind words about Chaplin. I was amazed that he fell to #9. I would have probably taken him at #1 overall.

I think it's more about recognition as opposed to actually being funny. I've watched a few of his films on AMC, and they really weren't that funny. They were probably hilarious back 80 years ago, but I don't think they've aged well.

Ramzavail · 01-04-2006, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

I think it's more about recognition as opposed to actually being funny. I've watched a few of his films on AMC, and they really weren't that funny. They were probably hilarious back 80 years ago, but I don't think they've aged well.

He's the pong paddle of video games.

Barkeep49 · 01-04-2006, 04:42 PM

Johnny Carson was my clear #1 had I been in this because of how far above everyone else he is. Charlie Chaplin was on my board as a sleeper. My #1 standup is still out there though. I was hoping he'd slip to round 2 ro 3, so I'll be interested to see when he gets taken.

Swaggs · 01-04-2006, 04:50 PM

Carson was my target at #10. He was far above the rest of the class in his category.

Swaggs · 01-04-2006, 04:56 PM

Okay, with pick 1.10 I will take Bill Cosby (standup).

He could fit in at a number of spots, notably at the sitcom or movie position, but his best work has been in clean standup. He will anchor the team.

ntndeacon · 01-04-2006, 04:57 PM

As good as Carson is. There is at least one other in that category that is in the same league. That person will be a good value for someone.

ntndeacon · 01-04-2006, 04:58 PM

Dola

I figured Cosby had to come off the board soon. Good Pick.

Swaggs · 01-04-2006, 05:02 PM

Alright, this is tough since I do not have another pick for 18 more spots and I have my eye on three people, but with pick 2.1 I will take Rodney Dangerfield (standup).

Legendary standup comedian with a few notable movie roles. He gets some respect here.

(edited to bold the pick)

Ramzavail · 01-04-2006, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Alright, this is tough since I do not have another pick for 18 more spots and I have my eye on three people, but with pick 2.1 I will take Rodney Dangerfield (standup).

Legendary standup comedian with a few notable movie roles. He gets some respect here.

(edited to bold the pick)

About time.

kcchief19 · 01-04-2006, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Okay, with pick 1.10 I will take Bill Cosby (standup).

He could fit in at a number of spots, notably at the sitcom or movie position, but his best work has been in clean standup. He will anchor the team.

I can't believe he slipped this far. If I hadn't traded my first rounder, I probably would have taken him.

Barkeep49 · 01-04-2006, 05:09 PM

I think Cosby in standup is huge mistake. He is a sitcom pioneer and as good as his standup is, he is a clossal in that field. In terms of relative worth, as much as I love his standup (own all standup that's on CD) I would have slotted him in sitcom.

01-04-2006, 03:00 PM	#57
Ramzavail College Starter Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Strong Island, NY	I'm a huge Seinfeld fan both sitcom and standup, so I'm bias, but lets be honest, he's great pick no matter where you pick him however you only get one sitcom pick (I think thats right) and he's the Babe Ruth of the field. Edit: Wishes he was in this draft now Last edited by Ramzavail : 01-04-2006 at 03:00 PM.

01-04-2006, 03:06 PM	#62
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	Trade to announce: Team kcchief trades picks 1.7 and 10.7 to Team Maple Leafs for picks 2.7 and 6.7. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

01-04-2006, 03:06 PM	#63
Karlifornia Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	Hicks was taken too early. No doubt that he was funny enough to be a first-rounder, but he would probably still be on the board in the second or third round.. Just my 2 cents..... __________________ Look into the mind of a crazy man (NSFW) http://www.whitepowerupdate.wordpress.com

01-04-2006, 03:16 PM	#69
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	I'm not sure I have a good enough feel for this draft to know whether moving up is a good choice. It's very possible I just traded up to get a guy who would have been there for me in the second round. That said, I'm a believer in value-based drafting. While there are some big names still available who would make excellent choices, I think there's only category in this draft that has a clear-cut, no-questions-asked leader. Ask a comedian for the name of the greatest standup performer or sitcom actor ever and they'll argue all night. But in this category, there's no debate. With pick 1.7, the Maple Leafs take talkshow host Johnny Carson. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

01-04-2006, 03:19 PM	#71
vtbub College Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burlington, VT USA	U poopyhead Sean. With the 8th pick, vtbub takes Bob Hope at standup __________________ Last edited by vtbub : 01-04-2006 at 03:29 PM.

01-04-2006, 03:03 PM	#58
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	With three picks to go, I feel really good about who is left on the board.

01-04-2006, 03:04 PM	#59
kcchief19 Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO	The commissioner will soon be stepping to the podium to announce our first trade. kcchief is sending his first round pick and 10th round to Maple Leafs for his second round pick and sixth round pick. Discuss.

01-04-2006, 03:07 PM	#64
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	eh - I think Cheers was better than Seinfeld, so I would have gone bold with Ted Danson in round 2 or 3 as my sitcom pick.

01-04-2006, 03:09 PM	#67
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	Can people PLEASE stop mentioning possible picks?

01-04-2006, 03:10 PM	#68
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Yeah--there were two guys who could have gone #1, IMO, and one of them is still on the board.

01-04-2006, 03:18 PM	#70
Ramzavail College Starter Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Strong Island, NY	Good pick and high value.

01-04-2006, 03:22 PM	#74
Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	My #1 is still out there.

01-04-2006, 03:40 PM	#79
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	I would have no problem taking Robin Williams at 2 as a stand-up as well. I almost went for another person, but I never really got into him. I've decided that this is all going to be my personal preference, and damn the masses!

01-04-2006, 03:46 PM	#81
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	I can't think of any Bob Hope movies. Doubt I've ever seen one he's been in.

01-04-2006, 03:53 PM	#83
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	Charlie Chaplin was an inspired pick in my opinion.

01-04-2006, 03:54 PM	#85
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	I watch a lot of movies from the 40's... (/sarcasm) Last edited by sabotai : 01-04-2006 at 03:55 PM.

01-04-2006, 03:57 PM	#86
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	Hope is a very good pick. Chaplin... wow, he never even occurred to me, but it's a very strong pick. "Inspired" is actually a good description, agreed here. As we hit the end of the day, remember to send in advance picks. I don't pick again until round three, so I'm a good person to send your picks to -- I can't steal them for a while yet. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

01-04-2006, 04:05 PM	#87
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Thanks for the kind words about Chaplin. I was amazed that he fell to #9. I would have probably taken him at #1 overall.

01-04-2006, 04:13 PM	#88
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	Hicks is my #1 guy over Carlin, I think I would of taken him in the late 1st or 2nd. __________________

01-04-2006, 04:15 PM	#89
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	Dola, he's the kind of guy you'll get 1st place votes for even if the rest of your lineup sucks . __________________

01-04-2006, 04:42 PM	#92
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Johnny Carson was my clear #1 had I been in this because of how far above everyone else he is. Charlie Chaplin was on my board as a sleeper. My #1 standup is still out there though. I was hoping he'd slip to round 2 ro 3, so I'll be interested to see when he gets taken.

01-04-2006, 04:50 PM	#93
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Carson was my target at #10. He was far above the rest of the class in his category. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

01-04-2006, 04:56 PM	#94
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Okay, with pick 1.10 I will take Bill Cosby (standup). He could fit in at a number of spots, notably at the sitcom or movie position, but his best work has been in clean standup. He will anchor the team. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

01-04-2006, 04:57 PM	#95
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	As good as Carson is. There is at least one other in that category that is in the same league. That person will be a good value for someone.

01-04-2006, 04:58 PM	#96
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	Dola I figured Cosby had to come off the board soon. Good Pick.

01-04-2006, 05:02 PM	#97
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Alright, this is tough since I do not have another pick for 18 more spots and I have my eye on three people, but with pick 2.1 I will take Rodney Dangerfield (standup). Legendary standup comedian with a few notable movie roles. He gets some respect here. (edited to bold the pick) __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers? Last edited by Swaggs : 01-04-2006 at 05:03 PM.

01-04-2006, 05:09 PM	#100
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I think Cosby in standup is huge mistake. He is a sitcom pioneer and as good as his standup is, he is a clossal in that field. In terms of relative worth, as much as I love his standup (own all standup that's on CD) I would have slotted him in sitcom.

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