Co-Comish RailsFS caught cheating at the FastFL - Page 2

PackerFanatic · 11-05-2005, 02:03 PM

I thought of that too, star, heh.

Joe · 11-05-2005, 02:04 PM

I'm curious as to what was going on in that live chat while he had to go through and sim through those 100 games?

PackerFanatic · 11-05-2005, 02:06 PM

I just wish I would have been there now.

sovereignstar · 11-05-2005, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George W Bush

I'm curious as to what was going on in that live chat while he had to go through and sim through those 100 games?

uhhhhhh hold on guys. I'm making some mac and cheese here...

Cringer · 11-05-2005, 02:13 PM

Maybe this can start a new kind of league. Sim a week 10 times and put out all the files. Guys can pick their favorite and go to the next week from there. Everyone can be 19-0 champs at the end of the year.

Skolleck · 11-05-2005, 02:27 PM

I have the *PLAYOFF* chat saved, I will be looking into the timestamps from last night and see if I can puzzle out what happened. However from everything I see, it sure looks like cheating.

Damn shame too, but I will reserve judgement until we hear from Rails.

Scott Kolleck
GM Raiders - FastFL

*(Edit: used to say Draft)*

WrongWay · 11-05-2005, 02:31 PM

I have to assume that all the resims were done before the live chat started, because he kept going back to the beginning of the Playoffs.

As I pointed out before "Why the hell didn't he Save the game after every Detroit win?" Would of save him at least 50 game sims.

Honolulu_Blue · 11-05-2005, 02:33 PM

Too bad RalisFS isn't the Commissioner of the NFL with the power to keep "re-simming" games until the Lions win. I would kinda like that.

WrongWay · 11-05-2005, 02:39 PM

When Gmac finally came forward in the FastFL he said he didn't like the way the computer handled rookie contracts. This forced him to create a new type of rookie contract for his team.

Any theories on what type of "Justification" RailsFS will be laying down?

I guess it kinda sucks that the game rewards the team with the better players?

yabanci · 11-05-2005, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WrongWay

Any theories on what type of "Justification" RailsFS will be laying down?

The always reliable, "the rules are silent on the issue and I've always been a good owner. I did not intend to cheat in any way."

Joe · 11-05-2005, 03:02 PM

I seriously doubt that you'll ever hear from this guy again. He'll probably just disappear, and then eventually come back to the league under an alias.

PackerFanatic · 11-05-2005, 04:11 PM

Rails isn't like that. I will be able to get a hold of him, whether or not he comes forward is his choice but I have a feeling he will talk to me (or I sure as hell hope so)

Joe · 11-05-2005, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

Rails isn't like that. I will be able to get a hold of him, whether or not he comes forward is his choice but I have a feeling he will talk to me (or I sure as hell hope so)

Ok, I got ya. He'll cheat by re-simming 10 times until his team wins, but "Rails isn't like that."

LOL

sovereignstar · 11-05-2005, 04:23 PM

The guy is a dumbass. Surely he'll try and rationalize with everyone here.

Kozure · 11-05-2005, 05:38 PM

I just want to say that Packerfanatic is a great and honest guy, and the cheating of his Co-Commish shouldn't tarnish that. I am not saying that anyone is looking down on Andrew, but as the commish of the RNFL (where Andrew was a GM), I have found Andrew one of the most helpful GMs I've ever had.

Also, it is sad that a simmer of games has influenced results. It is for reasons exactly like this that I don't want anyone else ever having the fmk file for commish mode.

PackerFanatic · 11-05-2005, 05:46 PM

Thanks, Mark. I appreciate that.

And it turns out that Rails really didn't cheat. I am talking to him right now and after further investigation (with myself and another GM in the league), the boxes that ended up with the real playoff sim were sims that he did on his own time, just to see how the playoffs were going to turn out. He didn't realize that those boxes would be saved (since he was having computer difficulties) and we matched up the timestamps with the chat and the boxes and they match up. We are still looking into it further, but I knew my first intial gut was right...he didn't cheat.

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vex · 11-05-2005, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

Thanks, Mark. I appreciate that.

And it turns out that Rails really didn't cheat. I am talking to him right now and after further investigation (with myself and another GM in the league), the boxes that ended up with the real playoff sim were sims that he did on his own time, just to see how the playoffs were going to turn out. He didn't realize that those boxes would be saved (since he was having computer difficulties) and we matched up the timestamps with the chat and the boxes and they match up. We are still looking into it further, but I knew my first intial gut was right...he didn't cheat.

Hey, that's a pretty good excuse/lie I must say.

PackerFanatic · 11-05-2005, 05:49 PM

vex · 11-05-2005, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

?

My point being, why didn't he have the nerve to defend himself. Because he was caught.

PackerFanatic · 11-05-2005, 05:51 PM

He had been at work, he just got home like an hour ago, when I started talking to him.

I won't post anything else about this situation until it is figured out completely.

Kozure · 11-05-2005, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

?

Andrew, I think what he was trying to say is that Rails shouldn't be simming ahead for any reason. That is a major no no.

PackerFanatic · 11-05-2005, 05:52 PM

http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~fof/foru...ad.php?t=43961

And vex, this is when he was on today, before WrongWay made that post.

vex · 11-05-2005, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~fof/foru...ad.php?t=43961

And vex, this is when he was on today, before WrongWay made that post.

That's when he last posted. Unless you're holding his hand while he's online.

Joe · 11-05-2005, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kozure

Andrew, I think what he was trying to say is that Rails shouldn't be simming ahead for any reason. That is a major no no.

Agree. But maybe its allowed in this league.

PackerFanatic · 11-05-2005, 05:57 PM

Yes, I know it is when he last posted, that is my point. That is when he was on "today", doesn't mean he was on after WrongWay posted that message. I don't even think he has been here yet, when he went to the FastFL boards, it was the first he had heard about it because he was at work.

I am simply defending someone I consider my friend before everyone destroys him here.

Dutch · 11-05-2005, 05:58 PM

What the reason for simming ahead?

jbmagic · 11-05-2005, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutch

What the reason for simming ahead?

probably to cheat, to see what gameplans works the best to get the win.

Joe · 11-05-2005, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dutch

What the reason for simming ahead?

Quote:

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

the boxes that ended up with the real playoff sim were sims that he did on his own time, just to see how the playoffs were going to turn out.

In other words, to cheat.

PackerFanatic · 11-05-2005, 06:03 PM

He was simming ahead to see what the playoffs would turn out like, he was bored and in hindsight, it was a bad decision on his part. He file was already in and he didn't change it.

vex · 11-05-2005, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

He was simming ahead to see what the playoffs would turn out like, he was bored and in hindsight, it was a bad decision on his part. He file was already in and he didn't change it.

Lemme get this straight. It's the FastFL, but he thought he needed to sim ahead? BS.

JonInMiddleGA · 11-05-2005, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

I am simply defending someone I consider my friend before everyone destroys him here.

Have you met Mr. Cheat2Win? That sounds like something he would have said.

I swear, some of you MP players really need to do a better job of picking your friends.

vex · 11-05-2005, 06:06 PM

Dola

How many times did he need to see what it looked like exactly?

JonInMiddleGA · 11-05-2005, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vexroid

BS.

Even money says there'll be people dumb enough to believe it though.

Also even money says that WrongWay gets portrayed as the villian in the scenario when all is said & done.

PackerFanatic · 11-05-2005, 06:07 PM

I have already told WrongWay that he is in no way the bad guy in this situation.

Joe · 11-05-2005, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

He was simming ahead to see what the playoffs would turn out like, he was bored and in hindsight, it was a bad decision on his part. He file was already in and he didn't change it.

how do you know he didnt change his file? Its not like he has to upload the file if he's doing the sim himself, right?

vex · 11-05-2005, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

I have already told WrongWay that he is in no way the bad guy in this situation.

King Solomon himself.

jbmagic · 11-05-2005, 06:11 PM

if you want to correct things. you need to go back to an old file prior to the playoffs and have your league send there exports in again and you the commish needs to sim the game.

if he had been simming for a long time for you, then the league is ruin, bcause there no more trust no matter how much you try to spin it.

Kozure · 11-05-2005, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Have you met Mr. Cheat2Win? That sounds like something he would have said.

I swear, some of you MP players really need to do a better job of picking your friends.

Do not complare Packerfanatic to Play2win. That is unfair to PF. I think standing up for your friend is different than what P2W did. If I remember correctly, he was criticizing members of FOFC, which I do not agree with at all.

I do, however, believe that Andrew should consider finding someone else to sim games, or his league could suffer.

cthomer5000 · 11-05-2005, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

Thanks, Mark. I appreciate that.

And it turns out that Rails really didn't cheat. I am talking to him right now and after further investigation (with myself and another GM in the league), the boxes that ended up with the real playoff sim were sims that he did on his own time, just to see how the playoffs were going to turn out. He didn't realize that those boxes would be saved (since he was having computer difficulties) and we matched up the timestamps with the chat and the boxes and they match up. We are still looking into it further, but I knew my first intial gut was right...he didn't cheat.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

PackerFanatic · 11-05-2005, 06:13 PM

jbmagic, we will more than likely end up doing that.

I can almost guarentee that if anyone other than Rails would have won the super bowl, however, WrongWay would have never said a word. That is what makes this look so bad.

Joe · 11-05-2005, 06:15 PM

but he wouldnt have stopped simming if anyone else had won the bowl.

Dutch · 11-05-2005, 06:16 PM

The problem I have is that at one point in the explanation it mentions "computer problems" but that doesn't seem to be the case at all. (Caught in BS mode maybe?)

Also, it's very strange to me that the only time the alleged cheater wins the SB is also the one that sticks as the actual game results.

Just some observations.

PackerFanatic · 11-05-2005, 06:16 PM

Yes he would have. You haven't seen the file or the chat timestamps.

cthomer5000 · 11-05-2005, 06:17 PM

And even if was only simming earlier to see how things turned out, that's cheating. It allows him to mess with gameplan/personnelwhen things don't turn out how he wanted. Whole lots of cheating going on and PackerFanatic is a fucking moron or cheater himself if he doesn't see that. I would advise anyone in that league to get the hell out of Dodge.

PackerFanatic · 11-05-2005, 06:19 PM

Hey now. Fuck you man. You are not in this league nor in this situation right now so you have no idea what is really going on. Don't sit there and chastise me when you have no idea what is really going on.

sovereignstar · 11-05-2005, 06:21 PM

Hey, pussyfoot. How about you log in already and tell us what's up?

JonInMiddleGA · 11-05-2005, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

Don't sit there and chastise me when you have no idea what is really going on.

It's pretty obvious who doesn't have a clue what "is really going on" ... but it ain't the majority of the people in this thread. If you've got a mirror handy however ...

DaddyTorgo · 11-05-2005, 06:22 PM

aaaaah, this perfectly illustrates why i have no desire to play FOF in MP. At least until there are more safeguards built in. Fucking ridiculous shit.

JonInMiddleGA · 11-05-2005, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

At least until there are more safeguards built in.

AFAIC, the only way to get adequate safeguards is to remove the other humans from the equation ... otherwise, where there's a will, there's a way to cheat.

11-05-2005, 02:06 PM	#53
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	I just wish I would have been there now. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

11-05-2005, 02:13 PM	#55
Cringer Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edinburg,TX	Maybe this can start a new kind of league. Sim a week 10 times and put out all the files. Guys can pick their favorite and go to the next week from there. Everyone can be 19-0 champs at the end of the year. __________________ You Stole Fizzy Lifting drinks! You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and steralized, so you get NOTHING! You lose!

11-05-2005, 02:27 PM	#56
Skolleck n00b Join Date: May 2005	I have the PLAYOFF chat saved, I will be looking into the timestamps from last night and see if I can puzzle out what happened. However from everything I see, it sure looks like cheating. Damn shame too, but I will reserve judgement until we hear from Rails. Scott Kolleck GM Raiders - FastFL (Edit: used to say Draft) Last edited by Skolleck : 11-05-2005 at 03:28 PM.

11-05-2005, 02:33 PM	#58
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	Too bad RalisFS isn't the Commissioner of the NFL with the power to keep "re-simming" games until the Lions win. I would kinda like that. __________________ *Steve Yzerman*: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons).

11-05-2005, 04:11 PM	#62
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Rails isn't like that. I will be able to get a hold of him, whether or not he comes forward is his choice but I have a feeling he will talk to me (or I sure as hell hope so) __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

11-05-2005, 02:04 PM	#52
Joe Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Minneapolis	I'm curious as to what was going on in that live chat while he had to go through and sim through those 100 games?

11-05-2005, 02:31 PM	#57
WrongWay Banned Join Date: Jan 2005	I have to assume that all the resims were done before the live chat started, because he kept going back to the beginning of the Playoffs. As I pointed out before "Why the hell didn't he Save the game after every Detroit win?" Would of save him at least 50 game sims.

11-05-2005, 02:39 PM	#59
WrongWay Banned Join Date: Jan 2005	When Gmac finally came forward in the FastFL he said he didn't like the way the computer handled rookie contracts. This forced him to create a new type of rookie contract for his team. Any theories on what type of "Justification" RailsFS will be laying down? I guess it kinda sucks that the game rewards the team with the better players?

11-05-2005, 03:02 PM	#61
Joe Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Minneapolis	I seriously doubt that you'll ever hear from this guy again. He'll probably just disappear, and then eventually come back to the league under an alias.

11-05-2005, 04:23 PM	#64
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	The guy is a dumbass. Surely he'll try and rationalize with everyone here.

11-05-2005, 05:38 PM	#65
Kozure High School JV Join Date: Apr 2004	I just want to say that Packerfanatic is a great and honest guy, and the cheating of his Co-Commish shouldn't tarnish that. I am not saying that anyone is looking down on Andrew, but as the commish of the RNFL (where Andrew was a GM), I have found Andrew one of the most helpful GMs I've ever had. Also, it is sad that a simmer of games has influenced results. It is for reasons exactly like this that I don't want anyone else ever having the fmk file for commish mode.

11-05-2005, 05:46 PM	#66
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Thanks, Mark. I appreciate that. And it turns out that Rails really didn't cheat. I am talking to him right now and after further investigation (with myself and another GM in the league), the boxes that ended up with the real playoff sim were sims that he did on his own time, just to see how the playoffs were going to turn out. He didn't realize that those boxes would be saved (since he was having computer difficulties) and we matched up the timestamps with the chat and the boxes and they match up. We are still looking into it further, but I knew my first intial gut was right...he didn't cheat. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

11-05-2005, 05:49 PM	#69
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	? __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

11-05-2005, 05:51 PM	#71
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	He had been at work, he just got home like an hour ago, when I started talking to him. I won't post anything else about this situation until it is figured out completely. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

11-05-2005, 05:52 PM	#73
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~fof/foru...ad.php?t=43961 And vex, this is when he was on today, before WrongWay made that post. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

11-05-2005, 05:57 PM	#76
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Yes, I know it is when he last posted, that is my point. That is when he was on "today", doesn't mean he was on after WrongWay posted that message. I don't even think he has been here yet, when he went to the FastFL boards, it was the first he had heard about it because he was at work. I am simply defending someone I consider my friend before everyone destroys him here. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

11-05-2005, 05:58 PM	#77
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	What the reason for simming ahead?

11-05-2005, 06:03 PM	#80
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	He was simming ahead to see what the playoffs would turn out like, he was bored and in hindsight, it was a bad decision on his part. He file was already in and he didn't change it. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

11-05-2005, 06:06 PM	#83
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	Dola How many times did he need to see what it looked like exactly?

11-05-2005, 06:07 PM	#85
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	I have already told WrongWay that he is in no way the bad guy in this situation. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

11-05-2005, 06:11 PM	#88
jbmagic Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2004	if you want to correct things. you need to go back to an old file prior to the playoffs and have your league send there exports in again and you the commish needs to sim the game. if he had been simming for a long time for you, then the league is ruin, bcause there no more trust no matter how much you try to spin it.

11-05-2005, 06:13 PM	#91
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	jbmagic, we will more than likely end up doing that. I can almost guarentee that if anyone other than Rails would have won the super bowl, however, WrongWay would have never said a word. That is what makes this look so bad. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

11-05-2005, 06:15 PM	#92
Joe Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Minneapolis	but he wouldnt have stopped simming if anyone else had won the bowl.

11-05-2005, 06:16 PM	#93
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	The problem I have is that at one point in the explanation it mentions "computer problems" but that doesn't seem to be the case at all. (Caught in BS mode maybe?) Also, it's very strange to me that the only time the alleged cheater wins the SB is also the one that sticks as the actual game results. Just some observations.

11-05-2005, 06:19 PM	#96
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Hey now. Fuck you man. You are not in this league nor in this situation right now so you have no idea what is really going on. Don't sit there and chastise me when you have no idea what is really going on. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

11-05-2005, 06:21 PM	#97
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	Hey, pussyfoot. How about you log in already and tell us what's up?

11-05-2005, 06:22 PM	#99
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	aaaaah, this perfectly illustrates why i have no desire to play FOF in MP. At least until there are more safeguards built in. Fucking ridiculous shit.

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