Raiders vs Patriots Opening Night Thursday - Page 2

pennywisesb · 09-08-2005, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

They were pathetic last year.

Charles Woodson is teh overrrated.

Fabian Washinton? Namdi Alskhjoihgioauh? Denard Walker?

Surely you jest.

The Raiders have some of the best young corners in the game. They got Reynaldo Hill from the Cards in the offseason and have a young man named Carr who should contribute. We have one of the deepest set of corners in the game.

pennywisesb · 09-08-2005, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jeff061

The Pats are going to knock the shit out of Moss. Don't know if that will stop him or not, but it'll be fun to watch.

They have to catch him first

jbmagic · 09-08-2005, 11:30 AM

The best chance to beat the Patriots is early in the season.

jeff061 · 09-08-2005, 11:30 AM

If they can knock around Marvin Harrison they can knock around Moss. He'll still get his catches though.

rkmsuf · 09-08-2005, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by pennywisesb

The Raiders have some of the best young corners in the game. They got Reynaldo Hill from the Cards in the offseason and have a young man named Carr who should contribute. We have one of the deepest set of corners in the game.

you are nuts

Lathum · 09-08-2005, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jbmagic

The best chance to beat the Patriots is early in the season.

I couldn't agree with you less.

Belechik has had weeks/months to prepare for this game.

pennywisesb · 09-08-2005, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

you are nuts

Whatever dude. At least I try to counter your points, not just criticize.

[edited for grammar]

pennywisesb · 09-08-2005, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jeff061

If they can knock around Marvin Harrison they can knock around Moss. He'll still get his catches though.

Good point. But even TO got knocked around and he still had a great superbowl game and he wasn't even playing at 100%.

Ksyrup · 09-08-2005, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I couldn't agree with you less.

Belechik has had weeks/months to prepare for this game.

History suggests otherwise:

2004: first loss in week 8 (only 2 losses all year), BUT

2003: 2 losses in first 4 games (only 2 losses all year)
2002: 4 losses in first 7 games (9-7 overall)
2001: 3 losses in first 4 games (11-5 overall)
2000: lost first 4 games (5-11 overall)

It's all relative, given their success, but overall, it holds some water.

pennywisesb · 09-08-2005, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Charles Woodson is teh overrrated.

BTW, last time I checked, most quarterbacks still think twice about throwing his way. Especially when he's healthy (which he hasn't been the last two seasons).

jeff061 · 09-08-2005, 11:44 AM

I don't think they gameplanned around TO, thinking he would not be his usual self.

In the end, he had the numbers, but he didn't have the effect his stats would suggest

rkmsuf · 09-08-2005, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by pennywisesb

Whatever dude. At least I try to counter your points, not just criticize.

[edited for grammar]

come up with a coherent point and I won't call you nuts

It's clear the plan is to outscore people in Oakland. They pretty much publically admitted that and the general consensus is that the Raider defense couldn't stop The Citidel.

Raiders Army · 09-08-2005, 11:59 AM

Obviously some of you didn't see the Oakland/Minnesota game last year where Charles Woodson shut down Randy Moss.

Oh, and any Cincy fans out there? Your CB, Tory James (8 INT last year)? He was cut by the Raiders to make room for some of the CBs on the roster.

Raiders Army · 09-08-2005, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

It's clear the plan is to outscore people in Oakland. They pretty much publically admitted that and the general consensus is that the Raider defense couldn't stop The Citidel.

link?

rkmsuf · 09-08-2005, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

link?

no link. just book it.

gstelmack · 09-08-2005, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Obviously some of you didn't see the Oakland/Minnesota game last year where Charles Woodson shut down Randy Moss.

Sure we did. That's why us Patriots fans aren't worried about Moss

Raiders Army · 09-08-2005, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack

Sure we did. That's why us Patriots fans aren't worried about Moss

I'm sorry, but I forgot. Which one of your defensive backs won the Heisman?

rkmsuf · 09-08-2005, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

I'm sorry, but I forgot. Which one of your defensive backs won the Heisman?

weak

Raiders Army · 09-08-2005, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

weak

Usually I'm amused by your posts, but not today.

pennywisesb · 09-08-2005, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

I'm sorry, but I forgot. Which one of your defensive backs won the Heisman?

Nice. And great points rkmsuf, you are really making me think twice about having confidence in the Raiders. Come on.

FrogMan · 09-08-2005, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

I'm sorry, but I forgot. Which one of your defensive backs won the Heisman?

I'll give you that, there's not one DB on the Pats roster who will keep him in check. I'm only thinking that the schemes will do the job. Or at least, until BB proves me wrong, I'll keep betting on him

Good luck tonight anyway.

FM

gstelmack · 09-08-2005, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

I'm sorry, but I forgot. Which one of your defensive backs won the Heisman?

Which of your defensive backs has multiple Super Bowl rings? Do any of them have any Super Bowl rings? I mean, I know you've got a washed-up DT that has one, but I'm not sure who else.

rkmsuf · 09-08-2005, 12:11 PM

I'm not amused either if you are bragging on Woodson for winning the Heisman in relation to the performace of the Pats secondary.

Tom Brady couldn't beat out Drew Henson at Michigan. Give me Kerry Collins!

FrogMan · 09-08-2005, 12:12 PM

wanna add that if there's one player on the Raiders that I want to see play well tonight, that's Randy Moss, as he's on my ff roster. So whatever happens, if he does bad and the Pats win, or if he does well, but the Pats still win

I'll be happy

FM

Raiders Army · 09-08-2005, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

I'm not amused either if you are bragging on Woodson for winning the Heisman in relation to the performace of the Pats secondary.

Tom Brady couldn't beat out Drew Henson at Michigan. Give me Kerry Collins!

Ah, a reply better than

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

weak

rkmsuf · 09-08-2005, 12:13 PM

I was tired but got my second wind.

Ksyrup · 09-08-2005, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

link?

www.generalconsensus.com

Ksyrup · 09-08-2005, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack

Which of your defensive backs has multiple Super Bowl rings? Do any of them have any Super Bowl rings?

LARRY BROWN!

Oh, wait...

rkmsuf · 09-08-2005, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

www.generalconsensus.com

strong

st.cronin · 09-08-2005, 12:16 PM

I saw an interesting breakdown in the Pro Football Prospectus of Moss' numbers on grass v. turf. He's a totally different player on grass; basically just a possession reciever. All 16 of the Raiders' games this year are on grass.

rkmsuf · 09-08-2005, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I saw an interesting breakdown in the Pro Football Prospectus of Moss' numbers on grass v. turf. He's a totally different player on grass; basically just a possession reciever. All 16 of the Raiders' games this year are on grass.

There's a joke in there somewhere...

Raiders Army · 09-08-2005, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack

Which of your defensive backs has multiple Super Bowl rings? Do any of them have any Super Bowl rings? I mean, I know you've got a washed-up DT that has one, but I'm not sure who else.

Now your argument and FM's argument go together. Whereas the Heisman is an individual award (I know, the team helps, blah, blah, blah, but it's given to one individual) and the Super Bowl rings go to a team, the only thing that I'm concerned about tonight is the defensive scheme.

There's also the matter of the Heisman is a college award, and the rings are an NFL reward.

One last shot: how many pro bowls have the CBs gone to and how many has Woodson gone to?

Ksyrup · 09-08-2005, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

strong

I haven't even tried that link. For all I know, it's a porno site and I'll be boxed for 3 weeks.

st.cronin · 09-08-2005, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

There's a joke in there somewhere...

Probably quite a few.

Ksyrup · 09-08-2005, 12:19 PM

We're up to 85 posts and the game is 7 hours away. Add that to this being the only game on tonight, and this thread should easily break 400 posts by the morning.

st.cronin · 09-08-2005, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

We're up to 85 posts and the game is 7 hours away. Add that to this being the only game on tonight, and this thread should easily break 400 posts by the morning.

Sadly, I will miss the game, as my cable is STILL NOT PROPERLY INSTALLED. (I moved in over a month ago.)

gstelmack · 09-08-2005, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

One last shot: how many pro bowls have the CBs gone to and how many has Woodson gone to?

Troy Brown has been once

Icy · 09-08-2005, 12:23 PM

I can't see it Live in Spain, will need to wait until 3:30Pm of Friday to watch it so i won't visit the forums in the morning to avoid to know who won. It's not that i root for any of them, but i'm hungry for football!

DeToxRox · 09-08-2005, 12:28 PM

Brady and Woodson are two of my favorites (Obvious Michigan connections) but regardless, I say (and hope for fantasy reasons) Brady torches CW and co, just so long as Deion Branch doesn't score.

gstelmack · 09-08-2005, 12:28 PM

I'm on the East Coast with 2 kids, meaning this game isn't even starting until about when I'm ready to go to bed. I might get to watch the first quarter, maybe the first half if I'm lucky. Stupid West Coast bias in NFL broadcasts...

Raiders Army · 09-08-2005, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack

I'm on the East Coast with 2 kids, meaning this game isn't even starting until about when I'm ready to go to bed. I might get to watch the first quarter, maybe the first half if I'm lucky. Stupid West Coast bias in NFL broadcasts...

I agree. I hate living here. At least in El Paso the games came on at a decent time. Also, they came on at 11 A.M. on Sundays instead of having to wait until after lunch (although you can't buy beer before noon so you have to make sure you stock up on Saturday).

FrogMan · 09-08-2005, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack

I'm on the East Coast with 2 kids, meaning this game isn't even starting until about when I'm ready to go to bed. I might get to watch the first quarter, maybe the first half if I'm lucky. Stupid West Coast bias in NFL broadcasts...

I will be going to bed at whatever the time I need to go to bed, but I'll see that game through the end

And I have one 19 months old kiddo in the house and my wife works the night shift, so whatever happens overnight I'm on my own

Oh, and I'll be up at 5:20 tomorrow morning

GO PATS!!!

FM

PS: I may try to sneak in a nap from about 7, when kiddo goes to sleep, to kickoff time

Ksyrup · 09-08-2005, 12:43 PM

Central Time is the best, but I couldn't live on the West Coast and much prefer the East Coast. I hate that all of the early baseball/hockey games are over by the time I'm ready to watch sports, and all I'm left with are the games that end by 10pm. I live for the uninterrupted nirvana that is the 10pm - 1am Sports Zone. And, I like that football games don't start until 1pm on Sundays, so that I've got plenty of time to go to church and get chores done before the games begin.

Ksyrup · 09-08-2005, 01:12 PM

This should provide more fodder for this thread:

OZZY OSBOURNE To Perform At Tonight's 'NFL Opening Kickoff 2005' Concert? - Sep. 8, 2005

According to the Boston Herald, Ozzy Osbourne will be tonight's (Sept. 8) special guest at Gillette Stadium in Foxboro, Massachusetts for "NFL Opening Kickoff 2005" — a one-hour pregame special airing on ABC at 8:00 p.m. ET. The show, which will feature additional live performances by GREEN DAY, SANTANA, TRISHA YEARWOOD, MAROON 5 and KANYE WEST, will lead into the season opener between the Patriots and Oakland Raiders at Gillette Stadium (ABC, 9:00 p.m. ET). Ozzy will reportedly perform "Crazy Train" from atop the New England Patriots football helmet whilst Tom Brady & Co. come running through onto the field.

The Boston Herald reported on Wednesday (Sept. 7) that Ozzy was spied getting off an elevator at the Ritz-Carlton, Boston Common, Tuesday, and word around the hotel was that Osbourne was off to the Sports Club/LA.

zums · 09-08-2005, 03:12 PM

Quick fantasy help:

what i need:

2RB
2WR
1 Flex

RB McAllister
RB McGahee
WR Chad Johnson

thos are the locks.... i need 1 WR and 1 flex from these:

WR Clayton (TB)
WR Kennison
WR Branch
RB L. Jordan

right now i have jordan on the bench, i'm really not sold on him yet... however the pats seem succeptible to the run - any thoughts ?? thanks!!

-zums

Edit: added Branch

Raiders Army · 09-08-2005, 03:18 PM

Jordan all the way...regardless of anything a RB will get you more points.

zums · 09-08-2005, 03:25 PM

ok, follow-up question i should have included... if i start Jordan, which WR should i go with?

-zums

st.cronin · 09-08-2005, 03:31 PM

Branch

He's going to be huge this year.

miked · 09-08-2005, 03:40 PM

Brady better light it up...I'm starting him over Eli Manning. He better be worth that 4th rounder I spent on him

Mo.Raider · 09-08-2005, 03:58 PM

The answer to the question: Why is the switch to the 4-3 so important to the Raiders? The biggest reason is Oakland is loaded with DT's and thin on lb's as they were last year. The bigger reason, and mark this down, is Warren Sapp will be switched back to his original position and since the switch has been resembling the monster he used to be instead of the fish out of water he was last year.

The answer to the question: Why is Jordan suddenly the biggest addition for the Raiders? Because without Jordan last year the Raiders could not run. He as a back up accounted for more yards than the Raiders leading rusher. He is solid and will have a break out year.

09-08-2005, 11:30 AM	#54
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	If they can knock around Marvin Harrison they can knock around Moss. He'll still get his catches though. __________________

09-08-2005, 11:44 AM	#61
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	I don't think they gameplanned around TO, thinking he would not be his usual self. In the end, he had the numbers, but he didn't have the effect his stats would suggest __________________ Last edited by jeff061 : 09-08-2005 at 11:44 AM.

09-08-2005, 12:11 PM	#73
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	I'm not amused either if you are bragging on Woodson for winning the Heisman in relation to the performace of the Pats secondary. Tom Brady couldn't beat out Drew Henson at Michigan. Give me Kerry Collins! __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

09-08-2005, 12:12 PM	#74
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	wanna add that if there's one player on the Raiders that I want to see play well tonight, that's Randy Moss, as he's on my ff roster. So whatever happens, if he does bad and the Pats win, or if he does well, but the Pats still win I'll be happy FM __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

09-08-2005, 12:13 PM	#76
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	I was tired but got my second wind. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

09-08-2005, 11:30 AM	#53
jbmagic Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2004	The best chance to beat the Patriots is early in the season.

09-08-2005, 11:59 AM	#63
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Obviously some of you didn't see the Oakland/Minnesota game last year where Charles Woodson shut down Randy Moss. Oh, and any Cincy fans out there? Your CB, Tory James (8 INT last year)? He was cut by the Raiders to make room for some of the CBs on the roster.

09-08-2005, 12:16 PM	#80
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I saw an interesting breakdown in the Pro Football Prospectus of Moss' numbers on grass v. turf. He's a totally different player on grass; basically just a possession reciever. All 16 of the Raiders' games this year are on grass.

09-08-2005, 12:19 PM	#85
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	We're up to 85 posts and the game is 7 hours away. Add that to this being the only game on tonight, and this thread should easily break 400 posts by the morning. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

09-08-2005, 12:23 PM	#88
Icy Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toledo - Spain	I can't see it Live in Spain, will need to wait until 3:30Pm of Friday to watch it so i won't visit the forums in the morning to avoid to know who won. It's not that i root for any of them, but i'm hungry for football!

09-08-2005, 12:28 PM	#89
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Brady and Woodson are two of my favorites (Obvious Michigan connections) but regardless, I say (and hope for fantasy reasons) Brady torches CW and co, just so long as Deion Branch doesn't score.

09-08-2005, 12:28 PM	#90
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	I'm on the East Coast with 2 kids, meaning this game isn't even starting until about when I'm ready to go to bed. I might get to watch the first quarter, maybe the first half if I'm lucky. Stupid West Coast bias in NFL broadcasts... __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

09-08-2005, 12:43 PM	#93
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Central Time is the best, but I couldn't live on the West Coast and much prefer the East Coast. I hate that all of the early baseball/hockey games are over by the time I'm ready to watch sports, and all I'm left with are the games that end by 10pm. I live for the uninterrupted nirvana that is the 10pm - 1am Sports Zone. And, I like that football games don't start until 1pm on Sundays, so that I've got plenty of time to go to church and get chores done before the games begin. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

09-08-2005, 01:12 PM	#94
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	This should provide more fodder for this thread: OZZY OSBOURNE To Perform At Tonight's 'NFL Opening Kickoff 2005' Concert? - Sep. 8, 2005 According to the Boston Herald, Ozzy Osbourne will be tonight's (Sept. 8) special guest at Gillette Stadium in Foxboro, Massachusetts for "NFL Opening Kickoff 2005" — a one-hour pregame special airing on ABC at 8:00 p.m. ET. The show, which will feature additional live performances by GREEN DAY, SANTANA, TRISHA YEARWOOD, MAROON 5 and KANYE WEST, will lead into the season opener between the Patriots and Oakland Raiders at Gillette Stadium (ABC, 9:00 p.m. ET). Ozzy will reportedly perform "Crazy Train" from atop the New England Patriots football helmet whilst Tom Brady & Co. come running through onto the field. The Boston Herald reported on Wednesday (Sept. 7) that Ozzy was spied getting off an elevator at the Ritz-Carlton, Boston Common, Tuesday, and word around the hotel was that Osbourne was off to the Sports Club/LA. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

09-08-2005, 03:12 PM	#95
zums H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Dec 2000	Quick fantasy help: what i need: 2RB 2WR 1 Flex RB McAllister RB McGahee WR Chad Johnson thos are the locks.... i need 1 WR and 1 flex from these: WR Clayton (TB) WR Kennison WR Branch RB L. Jordan right now i have jordan on the bench, i'm really not sold on him yet... however the pats seem succeptible to the run - any thoughts ?? thanks!! -zums Edit: added Branch Last edited by zums : 09-08-2005 at 03:20 PM.

09-08-2005, 03:18 PM	#96
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Jordan all the way...regardless of anything a RB will get you more points.

09-08-2005, 03:25 PM	#97
zums H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Dec 2000	ok, follow-up question i should have included... if i start Jordan, which WR should i go with? -zums

09-08-2005, 03:31 PM	#98
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Branch He's going to be huge this year.

09-08-2005, 03:40 PM	#99
miked College Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The Dirty	Brady better light it up...I'm starting him over Eli Manning. He better be worth that 4th rounder I spent on him

09-08-2005, 03:58 PM	#100
Mo.Raider H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Missouri	The answer to the question: Why is the switch to the 4-3 so important to the Raiders? The biggest reason is Oakland is loaded with DT's and thin on lb's as they were last year. The bigger reason, and mark this down, is Warren Sapp will be switched back to his original position and since the switch has been resembling the monster he used to be instead of the fish out of water he was last year. The answer to the question: Why is Jordan suddenly the biggest addition for the Raiders? Because without Jordan last year the Raiders could not run. He as a back up accounted for more yards than the Raiders leading rusher. He is solid and will have a break out year. __________________ "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me."

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