Ben, Welcome To Salary Cap Hell! - Page 2

kcchief19 · 11-18-2003, 10:16 PM

Man, I'm with you guys in salary cap hell. I'm leaning toward sucking it up for one more run in 2006 and then bite the bullet and start over. I'm the poster child for the Oakland Raiders right now. My average player age is a hair under 30 and I'm ass to the wall on cap space. I can get under the cap if I cap out everybody who will take the deal and maybe release one guy who won't take a cap out deal.

One of the contributions to my troubles has been spending in the FA market. I've been following my old FOF patterns by simplying signing my FA in the 20-stage process and moving on.

Has anybody tried to tackle FA through the second 8-stage process? I haven't studied it real close, but it would make sense that there would be some solid players there willing to take less than comparable players in the 20-stage FA. I've seen a few star players in the second FA step, but not as many as are available in the first wave.

I think that is going to be my next test. I want to see what I can mine out of the second wave of FA. Anybody tried it?

Ben E Lou · 11-18-2003, 10:22 PM

I just had to trade CB Kevin Mathis, who has been my stud shut-down cover corner for the last four seasons, for a third-round draft choice in order to afford to both keep Vick and field a team in 2009.

I think I am now coming to the end of my most serious cap woes, though. For the first time, after my cap-outs and renegotiations entering free agency, I actually have less money used for next year's cap than this year's cap. Up to now, I've been $5M-$10M the cap for next year before signing a single FA or drafing anyone. I've got $24M to go before next year's cap used catches up with this year's cap. Maybe I can actually use the 20-step process again next season! (I wasn't able to use it at all in 2006-2008, and have only $2M budgeted to use this year.)

I'm heading to bed now, but hopefully I can get to 2010 before I have to start being productive tomorrow.

cthomer5000 · 11-18-2003, 11:00 PM

Finally! In 2011 my wuss QB managed to fight through 3 different injuries to play 12 games and all of the playoffs. Most important, we're now 4-0 against my ex-QB who signed with divisional rival Miami.

Well, we won out, and took the Super... er... Front Office Bowl title! I didn't exactly wow myself when I took over some play-calling late in the game, but SkyDog would have been proud with my dedication to the run (and running out the clock). My 3rd year running back proved to be worth the mega-deal I made to get him 2 seasons earlier, as he cranked it up a notch in the playoffs. He had better, I sent the #25 & #29 first rounders in 2009, my 2010, and 2011 first rounders (4 first round picks total) in exchange for the #3 overall pick (my RB) and a 2010 first rounder. Ironically, the deal was with Oakland, who I stomped in the AFC title game on my way to glory. I guess the trade was worth it after all.

EDIT: and most bittersweet of all was the fact that we won in our last season in New Jersey, we're now off to the land of fake tits and wanna-be actors: Los Angeles, California. I was getting killed finanically in the NYC area, so I hope Hollywood can finally support an NFL team.

oykib · 11-30-2003, 11:49 AM

I've just joined the club. I've got the Jets.

Won the Bowl in 2005. Had my starting QB go down for eight games in '06 and just missed the playoffs at 9-7 (tie-breaker).

Now I've got 36 players under contract and I'm $180,000 over the cap.

By the way, I've got two first-rounders this year, including #1 overall.

In '04 I was drafting around 18 and traded up to #10 to take the #2 ranked QB on the board. He was actually tied with another guy. I had trouble deciding. The tie breaker was that the guy I took hd a 4.36 40.

In round two, the other guy was still available. I took him because my first rounder had a moderately high volatility and this guy had a six. I figured that I could deal one of them for another first round pick if they both panned out.

Last year, I dealt my second-rounder to New England, which was 2-14 the previous year, for their first round pick. He was still about 70% green. He still led them to a 4-12 record, a big improvement for that lousy squad. But 4-12 was the worst record in the league.

SackAttack · 11-30-2003, 08:06 PM

I've had my own experience in cap hell recently, starting several seasons 15 mil over the cap.

2014 rolls around, and some mass retirements have me in a position where, in 2015, I expect to be almost 40 million under the cap with 45 guys under contract. Unfortunately, most of the real talent has retired, so we'll have a 1-15 team just in time for our new stadium.

Buccaneer · 11-30-2003, 08:10 PM

I'm finally at a stopping point on my project and will finally get into practicing with FOF5 (or whatever you like to call it). I personally want to experience salary cap hell for the fun of it.

Ben E Lou · 11-30-2003, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Buccaneer
I'm finally at a stopping point on my project and will finally get into practicing with FOF5 (or whatever you like to call it). I personally want to experience salary cap hell for the fun of it.

It is a very simple process:

1. Set out to build a team that wins ASAP.
2. Use cap out offers and renegotiations to afford to sign free agents so that goal #1 can be achieved.
3. Watch team win, or come close to winning, the Front Office Bowl.
4. Play a few more seasons. Welcome to cap hell.

Once step four is achieved, at least one of two things will happen:

a. cutting/trading away guys you never wanted to part with
b. starting rookie undrafted free agents in multiple positions

Enjoy!

Eaglesfan27 · 12-03-2003, 10:28 PM

It is now 2007 in my season, and despite several valiant attempts we have not won the Superbowl. Now, I'm at the very limit of the cap and I only have 41 guys signed. Even worse, I want to keep Dawkins since he didn't retire as I thought he might (he is in his 12th year and is still highly skilled.) Now, I have to risk letting a career long valiant Eagle go to another team

I'm also likely to lose Hank Fraley who has developed in a very good center. Not to mention, I don't know what I'm going to do during the season if I have injuries as after the draft I will only have 48 guys under contract. There are so many players I want to keep that I haven't even mentioned, but saying goodbye to Dawkins is going to be the hardest. Or do I cap out a bunch of offers and delay this pain for another year. However, I'm not sure I could even create enough space to sign Dawkins.

Ben E Lou · 12-04-2003, 05:43 AM

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Originally posted by Eaglesfan27
It is now 2007 in my season, and despite several valiant attempts we have not won the Superbowl. Now, I'm at the very limit of the cap and I only have 41 guys signed. Even worse, I want to keep Dawkins since he didn't retire as I thought he might (he is in his 12th year and is still highly skilled.) Now, I have to risk letting a career long valiant Eagle go to another team I'm also likely to lose Hank Fraley who has developed in a very good center. Not to mention, I don't know what I'm going to do during the season if I have injuries as after the draft I will only have 48 guys under contract. There are so many players I want to keep that I haven't even mentioned, but saying goodbye to Dawkins is going to be the hardest. Or do I cap out a bunch of offers and delay this pain for another year. However, I'm not sure I could even create enough space to sign Dawkins.

I see you followed my steps closely.

Subby · 12-04-2003, 07:33 AM

I would be interested to see if anyone is using a management strategy simialr to the Philadelphia Eagles...not giving long-term contracts to anyone over 30, not spending big on WR and RB...

Is anyone able to be competitive year after year?

Ben E Lou · 12-04-2003, 07:47 AM

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Originally posted by Subby
Is anyone able to be competitive year after year?

I might be getting close. I've had a nice 6-year run now:

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Front Office Football 2004
GM Performance for Ben Lewis of the Atlanta Falcons
   
Year  Team  Eval  Perf  Diff  Proft FrVal Record    Playoffs  
2021  ATL   66    86    71    46    100   12-5-0    Division Final         
2020  ATL   86    95    71    80    100   13-7-0    Conference Champion    
2019  ATL   58    95    70    25    100   14-5-0    Conference Champion    
2018  ATL   50    90    70    10    100   15-3-0    Conference Final       
2017  ATL   79    100   70    67    88    17-2-0    Bowl Winner            
2016  ATL   96    100   70    100   89    14-6-0    Bowl Winner            
2015  ATL   37    10    68    32    99    5-11-0    None                   
2014  ATL   69    81    68    55    100   12-6-0    Conference Final       
2013  ATL   84    100   69    73    100   17-2-0    Bowl Winner            
2012  ATL   67    60    77    67    76    12-7-0    Conference Final       
2011  ATL   49    22    77    54    78    7-9-0     None                   
2010  ATL   74    74    76    74    79    12-7-0    Conference Final       
2009  ATL   50    52    75    44    55    9-7-0     None                   
2008  ATL   59    72    75    49    63    10-8-0    Division Final         
2007  ATL   68    81    76    62    64    13-5-0    Division Final         
2006  ATL   66    90    78    52    63    14-3-0    Division Final         
2005  ATL   50    57    75    42    57    9-8-0     Wild Card Round        
2004  ATL   54    66    75    45    52    12-5-0    Wild Card Round        
2003  ATL   58    40    74    69    51    7-8-1     None

cthomer5000 · 12-04-2003, 08:25 AM

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Originally posted by Subby
Is anyone able to be competitive year after year?

I make the playoffs nearly every season (probably 13 of the last 15 years).

I definitely take a Philly approach to things, I refuse to overpay for marginal talent, and prefer depth to outright stars. I also lock up my solid players to very long term deals when I'm going to want them around for a while. I would say I return at least 40 players from year to year.

EDIT: adding the following:

This pretty much jives with my theory on how NFL teams should manage things (as the Eagles do). You have to make the playoffs in order to win a Super Bowl. Your goal should be to build a team which can seriously compete year after year.

I've been saying this for the last year, but I think we can expect to see Philly in the final 4 of the NFC for a long time, and I think they'll be brining home a title pretty soon (perhaps even this year). They don't overpay, and always seem to have 5 contingency plans when they lose someone they would have liked to keep. Once teams realize this is more intelligent than the "build up/tear down" model of management, I think you'll see more teams adopt it. This would probably in turn slow down the FA market, and keep more players on their original teams for longer periods of time.

Honolulu Blue · 12-04-2003, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Subby
I would be interested to see if anyone is using a management strategy simialr to the Philadelphia Eagles...not giving long-term contracts to anyone over 30, not spending big on WR and RB...

Is anyone able to be competitive year after year?

I'm not very familiar with the Eagles' philosophy, but on the specific points you mentioned, I'm not averse to giving a long-term contract to an older player, but it depends on the player, how good he is, how much I expect him to decline, etc. And in regards to RBs and WRs, again I make exceptions, but I tend to use the RB and WR by committee philosophy.

So far I've been fairly competitive; most all of my seasons have been in the 8-12 win range. That's good enough for me.

Eaglesfan27 · 12-04-2003, 04:09 PM

I have been competitive every year and may have been more competitive if I just let a few guys go, but rather then give up on Dawkins and Pinkston I let sentiment take over

Perhaps I made a very dumb roster move (I'm almost sure I have) but I capped out 3 guys to fit Dawkins and Pinkston back on the roster, but I did let Fraley go as I had a good center waiting in the wings. I'm taking one (two?) last shot(s) at the superbowl with the guys I've grown loyal to in the game. Hopefully, we win it this year as I will be in even worse cap trouble soon.

Interesting side thought, would I have been this loyal to a computer generated player who had been with the team for 8 years as Pinkston has and 12 years as Dawkins has? Am I being loyal to what they have done in the game (which has been impressive in the last two years) or am I being loyal to my sentiment of what they do in the real NFL? I think it is a partially both. I'm definitely attached to Dawkins as an Eagle in real life as he has been a major piece of their secondary for quite a few years and he is a heck of a player. As for Pinkston, despite being rated 38 overall, he led the electronic NFL on my computer with catches, that and his loyalty to the team were the reason I kept him. Also of note, despite leading the NFL in catches last year, Pinkston's ratings kept him from making big money. No one offered him more then 1.5 million a year in free agency, and I signed him for 1.3 million a year with a modest signing salary (total cap number of approximately 1.5 million a year.)

Anyway, back to work, my little break with FOF has to end for now.

HornedFrog Purple · 12-04-2003, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Subby
I would be interested to see if anyone is using a management strategy simialr to the Philadelphia Eagles...not giving long-term contracts to anyone over 30, not spending big on WR and RB...

Is anyone able to be competitive year after year?

sort of....

And I am 34-6 against the Redskins... my mission is complete.

Eaglesfan27 · 12-07-2003, 08:10 PM

Well, I still didn't win the Super Bowl and now I have 29 players under contract and only 12 million in cap space

. Furthermore, I'm will be compelled to let Jerome McDougle a 80/80 Defensive End only in his 6th year (but somewhat injury prone having missed almost all of 2 different seasons including his contract year) likely walk as I doubt I will be able to afford his demands and get 46 guys under contract.

Let's see how far my team falls

I really do love this game though

Edited to add: I just realized all of my running backs including my stud second round pick from a few years ago have ended their contract this year! Jimmy Anthony wants 5 million a year to come back. Bye Jimmy

Ben E Lou · 12-09-2003, 03:25 PM

Man....I just managed to get myself in the worst cap hell I've seen so far. I am at the beginning of 2024, and AFTER I've already done the "easy" renegotiations with players who'll accept more money, which usually gets me somewhere near the cap, I am an astonishing $29.8M over the cap. What is worse, is that my starting QB (the guy who was Vick's successor and has 2 Super Bowl MVP's) had ACL Knee Surgery, and his ratings have dropped to 44/44. He's signed another year after this one, and he's still injured, so he's just sitting there taking up $17M in cap room, and I can't get a renegotiation worth anything with him. I'm in BIG trouble this season.

Easy Mac · 12-09-2003, 03:28 PM

I had to let my QB go. He was the reigning league MVP. He wanted 9 million in year one, and it progressed to 25 million by year 6... I just couldn't afford that. I suffered the next year and got another QB who is now quickly improving his potential.

Troll · 12-09-2003, 04:11 PM

I spent years building my 49ers team and decided that I had one last year before I had to destroy. I took my team to a record of 12-4 mainly because my defense slipped from number 4 in the league the year before to number 18 with the same personel. We were second in our division because the Rams signed Hasselback to join a 11-5 team the year before. Hasselback was a 81/81 a vast inprovement over Warner who was a 41/41. In the playoffs this happens...
Possession to Atlanta.

1-10-ATL27 (02:17) ATL 45 Duckett ran outside the right tackle for 0 yards.
Tackled by SFO 36 Webster, assisted by SFO 91 Adams.

Offical time out for the two-minute warning.

2-10-ATL27 (02:00) ATL 7 Vick pass fell incomplete, intended for 81 Price.
SFO 95 Engelberger hurried the quarterback into a bad throw.
Penalty: ATL - Offensive Holding.

2-20-ATL17 (01:48) ATL 7 Vick pass fell incomplete, intended for 87 Kennison.
SFO 31 Bronson defended the pass.

3-20-ATL17 (01:39) ATL 7 Vick pass fell incomplete, intended for 81 Price.
SFO 95 Engelberger hurried the quarterback into a bad throw.

4-20-ATL17 (01:31) ATL 7 Vick pass completed to 83 Crumpler for 83 yards and a touchdown!
Extra point by ATL 4 Feely was good.

Score: Atlanta 21, San Francisco 16.

the next year i found myself with 36 players still under contract and an amazing 31 million dollars over the cap, I ended up with 17 picks that year in the draft b/c of trades.....to bad only 4 in the first 4 rounds and 2 in the fifth.....

Ben E Lou · 12-09-2003, 04:15 PM

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Originally posted by Troll
4-20-ATL17 (01:31) ATL 7 Vick pass completed to 83 Crumpler for 83 yards and a touchdown!
Extra point by ATL 4 Feely was good.

I think it was in '79 or '80 when Bartkowski hit Alfred Jackson (I think) on a 60ish yard TD pass to win a game with less than a minute to go on 4th and about 12 against the Rams

FrogMan · 12-09-2003, 06:44 PM

This just in!!! It's 2012 and the Patriots are in cap hell!!!

One word how it happened: retirements...

2003-2009, built a pretty competitive football team, starting out of the preference draft. Tough first two seasons due to too much emphasis put on potential vs experience, but had many good season, always falling short of even going to the Super Bowl. Cap status was always close to be over, but always under control... Had to let go some big players (a DE we had drafted 3rd overall) not to go over the cap, but overall pretty much in control
2010, we won the Super Bowl, nice season (12-4) QB is the all everything...
2011, not many players lost, still a pretty good core of players, thinking we can make another run at it. A flurry of injuries and some lack of depth forcd us to a 0-6 start, finished the season 7-9, missed the season...
2012, I pressed the "end season" thinking I'd be in pretty much the same shape as before, when I go to my roster screen and see this:
Room Under Cap ($7,730,000)
Max for New Player ($14,020,000)

I go "WTF!!!" and take a look at the transaction list. Yep here's the culprit, one of my long time starting WR, in whom I had quite a bit of bonus money tied up semi-longterm, retired... Him and a linebacker I had just signed in 2011, to a 2 or 3 year deal (can't remember...

It's not as bad as some of you, but was kind of unexpected as I thought I had it under control...

I have 39 players under contract right now, some of them will be renegotiated, some of them will be cut. With 39, there's still some room to maneuver...

The worst in all this is my star DE, who was a 71/71, had ACL knee surgery last season and he is now showing a nice adjusted rating of 49/49, 10 seasons into his career. Cap cost in 2012: $12 million. Cut him? I CAN NOT!!! at least not yet, as he is still injured and will be full strength in 2 weeks... He's offering me a ncie possibility of renegotiation though, so that may be the way I go...

Have I told you I love this game?

FM

Ben E Lou · 12-10-2003, 08:16 AM

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Originally posted by SkyDog
Man....I just managed to get myself in the worst cap hell I've seen so far. I am at the beginning of 2024, and AFTER I've already done the "easy" renegotiations with players who'll accept more money, which usually gets me somewhere near the cap, I am an astonishing $29.8M over the cap. What is worse, is that my starting QB (the guy who was Vick's successor and has 2 Super Bowl MVP's) had ACL Knee Surgery, and his ratings have dropped to 44/44. He's signed another year after this one, and he's still injured, so he's just sitting there taking up $17M in cap room, and I can't get a renegotiation worth anything with him. I'm in BIG trouble this season.

The result of this?

6-10.

I LOVE this game! I love the fact that, with using minimal house rules, a major QB injury at the wrong times sends me spiraling to 6-10 and forcing me to rebuild.

Ben E Lou · 12-10-2003, 08:57 AM

Dola--

And now I've got to make another decision. The QB who got hurt is signed for for several more seasons, for a lot of money. I guess I'm going to cut him, take the cap hit, and know that in two more years I'll be able to make a run at some free agents, but that I'll probably have two more losing seasons (since I wont' be able to make any big FA signings) unless I get a bunch of young guys playing very well.

11-18-2003, 10:22 PM	#52
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	I just had to trade CB Kevin Mathis, who has been my stud shut-down cover corner for the last four seasons, for a third-round draft choice in order to afford to both keep Vick and field a team in 2009. I think I am now coming to the end of my most serious cap woes, though. For the first time, after my cap-outs and renegotiations entering free agency, I actually have less money used for next year's cap than this year's cap. Up to now, I've been $5M-$10M the cap for next year before signing a single FA or drafing anyone. I've got $24M to go before next year's cap used catches up with this year's cap. Maybe I can actually use the 20-step process again next season! (I wasn't able to use it at all in 2006-2008, and have only $2M budgeted to use this year.) I'm heading to bed now, but hopefully I can get to 2010 before I have to start being productive tomorrow. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

12-03-2003, 10:28 PM	#58
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	I'm finally feeling the pain.. It is now 2007 in my season, and despite several valiant attempts we have not won the Superbowl. Now, I'm at the very limit of the cap and I only have 41 guys signed. Even worse, I want to keep Dawkins since he didn't retire as I thought he might (he is in his 12th year and is still highly skilled.) Now, I have to risk letting a career long valiant Eagle go to another team I'm also likely to lose Hank Fraley who has developed in a very good center. Not to mention, I don't know what I'm going to do during the season if I have injuries as after the draft I will only have 48 guys under contract. There are so many players I want to keep that I haven't even mentioned, but saying goodbye to Dawkins is going to be the hardest. Or do I cap out a bunch of offers and delay this pain for another year. However, I'm not sure I could even create enough space to sign Dawkins. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

12-04-2003, 07:33 AM	#60
Subby lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: sans pants	I would be interested to see if anyone is using a management strategy simialr to the Philadelphia Eagles...not giving long-term contracts to anyone over 30, not spending big on WR and RB... Is anyone able to be competitive year after year? __________________ Superman was flying around and saw Wonder Woman getting a tan in the nude on her balcony. Superman said I going to hit that real fast. So he flys down toward Wonder Woman to hit it and their is a loud scream. The Invincible Man scream what just hit me in the ass!!!!! I do shit, I take pictures, I write about it: chrisshue.com

12-04-2003, 04:09 PM	#64
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	I have been competitive every year and may have been more competitive if I just let a few guys go, but rather then give up on Dawkins and Pinkston I let sentiment take over Perhaps I made a very dumb roster move (I'm almost sure I have) but I capped out 3 guys to fit Dawkins and Pinkston back on the roster, but I did let Fraley go as I had a good center waiting in the wings. I'm taking one (two?) last shot(s) at the superbowl with the guys I've grown loyal to in the game. Hopefully, we win it this year as I will be in even worse cap trouble soon. Interesting side thought, would I have been this loyal to a computer generated player who had been with the team for 8 years as Pinkston has and 12 years as Dawkins has? Am I being loyal to what they have done in the game (which has been impressive in the last two years) or am I being loyal to my sentiment of what they do in the real NFL? I think it is a partially both. I'm definitely attached to Dawkins as an Eagle in real life as he has been a major piece of their secondary for quite a few years and he is a heck of a player. As for Pinkston, despite being rated 38 overall, he led the electronic NFL on my computer with catches, that and his loyalty to the team were the reason I kept him. Also of note, despite leading the NFL in catches last year, Pinkston's ratings kept him from making big money. No one offered him more then 1.5 million a year in free agency, and I signed him for 1.3 million a year with a modest signing salary (total cap number of approximately 1.5 million a year.) Anyway, back to work, my little break with FOF has to end for now. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

12-07-2003, 08:10 PM	#66
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	Well, I still didn't win the Super Bowl and now I have 29 players under contract and only 12 million in cap space . Furthermore, I'm will be compelled to let Jerome McDougle a 80/80 Defensive End only in his 6th year (but somewhat injury prone having missed almost all of 2 different seasons including his contract year) likely walk as I doubt I will be able to afford his demands and get 46 guys under contract. Let's see how far my team falls I really do love this game though Edited to add: I just realized all of my running backs including my stud second round pick from a few years ago have ended their contract this year! Jimmy Anthony wants 5 million a year to come back. Bye Jimmy __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen. Last edited by Eaglesfan27 : 12-07-2003 at 08:12 PM.

11-30-2003, 11:49 AM	#54
oykib College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	I've just joined the club. I've got the Jets. Won the Bowl in 2005. Had my starting QB go down for eight games in '06 and just missed the playoffs at 9-7 (tie-breaker). Now I've got 36 players under contract and I'm $180,000 over the cap. By the way, I've got two first-rounders this year, including #1 overall. In '04 I was drafting around 18 and traded up to #10 to take the #2 ranked QB on the board. He was actually tied with another guy. I had trouble deciding. The tie breaker was that the guy I took hd a 4.36 40. In round two, the other guy was still available. I took him because my first rounder had a moderately high volatility and this guy had a six. I figured that I could deal one of them for another first round pick if they both panned out. Last year, I dealt my second-rounder to New England, which was 2-14 the previous year, for their first round pick. He was still about 70% green. He still led them to a 4-12 record, a big improvement for that lousy squad. But 4-12 was the worst record in the league.

11-30-2003, 08:06 PM	#55
SackAttack Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI	I've had my own experience in cap hell recently, starting several seasons 15 mil over the cap. 2014 rolls around, and some mass retirements have me in a position where, in 2015, I expect to be almost 40 million under the cap with 45 guys under contract. Unfortunately, most of the real talent has retired, so we'll have a 1-15 team just in time for our new stadium.

11-30-2003, 08:10 PM	#56
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	I'm finally at a stopping point on my project and will finally get into practicing with FOF5 (or whatever you like to call it). I personally want to experience salary cap hell for the fun of it.

12-09-2003, 03:25 PM	#67
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	Man....I just managed to get myself in the worst cap hell I've seen so far. I am at the beginning of 2024, and AFTER I've already done the "easy" renegotiations with players who'll accept more money, which usually gets me somewhere near the cap, I am an astonishing $29.8M over the cap. What is worse, is that my starting QB (the guy who was Vick's successor and has 2 Super Bowl MVP's) had ACL Knee Surgery, and his ratings have dropped to 44/44. He's signed another year after this one, and he's still injured, so he's just sitting there taking up $17M in cap room, and I can't get a renegotiation worth anything with him. I'm in BIG trouble this season. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

12-09-2003, 03:28 PM	#68
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	I had to let my QB go. He was the reigning league MVP. He wanted 9 million in year one, and it progressed to 25 million by year 6... I just couldn't afford that. I suffered the next year and got another QB who is now quickly improving his potential.

12-09-2003, 04:11 PM	#69
Troll H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Dec 2003	I spent years building my 49ers team and decided that I had one last year before I had to destroy. I took my team to a record of 12-4 mainly because my defense slipped from number 4 in the league the year before to number 18 with the same personel. We were second in our division because the Rams signed Hasselback to join a 11-5 team the year before. Hasselback was a 81/81 a vast inprovement over Warner who was a 41/41. In the playoffs this happens... Possession to Atlanta. 1-10-ATL27 (02:17) ATL 45 Duckett ran outside the right tackle for 0 yards. Tackled by SFO 36 Webster, assisted by SFO 91 Adams. Offical time out for the two-minute warning. 2-10-ATL27 (02:00) ATL 7 Vick pass fell incomplete, intended for 81 Price. SFO 95 Engelberger hurried the quarterback into a bad throw. Penalty: ATL - Offensive Holding. 2-20-ATL17 (01:48) ATL 7 Vick pass fell incomplete, intended for 87 Kennison. SFO 31 Bronson defended the pass. 3-20-ATL17 (01:39) ATL 7 Vick pass fell incomplete, intended for 81 Price. SFO 95 Engelberger hurried the quarterback into a bad throw. 4-20-ATL17 (01:31) ATL 7 Vick pass completed to 83 Crumpler for 83 yards and a touchdown! Extra point by ATL 4 Feely was good. Score: Atlanta 21, San Francisco 16. the next year i found myself with 36 players still under contract and an amazing 31 million dollars over the cap, I ended up with 17 picks that year in the draft b/c of trades.....to bad only 4 in the first 4 rounds and 2 in the fifth.....

12-09-2003, 06:44 PM	#71
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	This just in!!! It's 2012 and the Patriots are in cap hell!!! One word how it happened: retirements... 2003-2009, built a pretty competitive football team, starting out of the preference draft. Tough first two seasons due to too much emphasis put on potential vs experience, but had many good season, always falling short of even going to the Super Bowl. Cap status was always close to be over, but always under control... Had to let go some big players (a DE we had drafted 3rd overall) not to go over the cap, but overall pretty much in control 2010, we won the Super Bowl, nice season (12-4) QB is the all everything... 2011, not many players lost, still a pretty good core of players, thinking we can make another run at it. A flurry of injuries and some lack of depth forcd us to a 0-6 start, finished the season 7-9, missed the season... 2012, I pressed the "end season" thinking I'd be in pretty much the same shape as before, when I go to my roster screen and see this: Room Under Cap ($7,730,000) Max for New Player ($14,020,000) I go "WTF!!!" and take a look at the transaction list. Yep here's the culprit, one of my long time starting WR, in whom I had quite a bit of bonus money tied up semi-longterm, retired... Him and a linebacker I had just signed in 2011, to a 2 or 3 year deal (can't remember... It's not as bad as some of you, but was kind of unexpected as I thought I had it under control... I have 39 players under contract right now, some of them will be renegotiated, some of them will be cut. With 39, there's still some room to maneuver... The worst in all this is my star DE, who was a 71/71, had ACL knee surgery last season and he is now showing a nice adjusted rating of 49/49, 10 seasons into his career. Cap cost in 2012: $12 million. Cut him? I CAN NOT!!! at least not yet, as he is still injured and will be full strength in 2 weeks... He's offering me a ncie possibility of renegotiation though, so that may be the way I go... Have I told you I love this game? FM __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

12-10-2003, 08:57 AM	#73
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	Dola-- And now I've got to make another decision. The QB who got hurt is signed for for several more seasons, for a lot of money. I guess I'm going to cut him, take the cap hit, and know that in two more years I'll be able to make a run at some free agents, but that I'll probably have two more losing seasons (since I wont' be able to make any big FA signings) unless I get a bunch of young guys playing very well. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

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