BCS Matchups

[Butter]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

JoePa broke the record first, but Bowden has since passed him. Maybe you remember the original race to break the record.

Vaguely. It was probably while I was in college, and I have to say most of that was a blur.

Eddie Robinson's still coaching Grambling, right?

[IMetTrentGreen]

oregon is going to throttle ou

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Welcome to 5 years ago. JoePa's been behind Bowden for quite some time.

Too bad Bobby has to count on 50 (not sure exact number) of wins while he was at NAIA Samford while Paterno has all of his wins at a D-1a level.

[Ksyrup]

I don't set the criteria. I don't care if they count them or not.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by bsak16

Too bad Bobby has to count on 50 (not sure exact number) of wins while he was at NAIA Samford while Paterno has all of his wins at a D-1a level.

Bowden had 31 wins while the head man at Samford.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

Bowden had 31 wins while the head man at Samford.

Thank you for clairfying me. I was not sure of the exact amount.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by timmynausea

I guess Houston Nutt feels the same as he didn't rank WVU in his final Coach's poll ballot.

That guy doesn't deserve a vote.

Even if you are in the camp that thinks the Big East is utterly and completely wretched, WVU still won the conference with an undefeated record, beat a respectable ACC team (Maryland), beat a team that finished the season in the top 15 (Louisville), and lost only once all season, to the then #3 team (VT, who is still a top 12 team).

Houston Nutt can bite my ass.

[Klinglerware]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

That guy doesn't deserve a vote.

Even if you are in the camp that thinks the Big East is utterly and completely wretched, WVU still won the conference with an undefeated record, beat a respectable ACC team (Maryland), beat a team that finished the season in the top 15 (Louisville), and lost only once all season, to the then #3 team (VT, who is still a top 12 team).

Houston Nutt can bite my ass.

And the funny and ironic thing is that the conference that is in the greatest danger of losing it's autobid via the so-called "Big East" rule is the ACC (not that the BCS powers-that-be would ever let it happen).

I believe that the Big East rule states that in order for a BCS conference to retain its autobid, its past four conference champions must have a final regular-season BCS ranking averaging 12 or better.

(From a post in a Rutgers message board):

Big East four year average:
2002: #1 (Miami)
2003: #9 (Miami)
2004: #10 (Louisville)*
2005: #11 (West Virginia)
Total: 31/4 = 7.5 (#8)

* louisville counted due to John Swofford, ACC commissioner, lobbying for teams moving conferences counting toward their new conference in 2004.

ACC four year average:
2002: #14 (FSU)
2003: #7 (FSU)
2004: #8 (Va Tech)
2005: #22 (FSU)
Total: 51/4 = 12.75 (#13)

[Huckleberry]

Keep in mind that they're going to revisit this after the 2007 season for the 2004-2007 seasons.

So, to start off the two conferences have

Big East - #10, #11
ACC - #8, #22

[Klinglerware]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry

Keep in mind that they're going to revisit this after the 2007 season for the 2004-2007 seasons.

So, to start off the two conferences have

Big East - #10, #11
ACC - #8, #22

True, but the ACC's start is a bit shakier than the Big East's. Theoretically, the ACC has to hope that their strongest BCS-ranked teams don't continue to lose in the conference championship game. But in fact, as unfair as it may seem, I still can't see how the BCS would take the ACC's bid away even if they fail to meet this rule...

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Aw, c'mon. What do I have to do to win you back to the right side? Sing the UM fight song? Put 3 stripes down the middle of my hair? Name it, and it's yours.

Interesting offers. For you, I will consider it...

[jbmagic]

do you guys think Penn State should of gotten a better team to face them?

why not #3 vs #4?

[Joe]

Originally Posted by jbmagic

do you guys think Penn State should of gotten a better team to face them?

why not #3 vs #4?

Doesn't really matter. They get the big payday from being in a BCS bowl and they're high enough that they will be highly ranked at the beginning of next season.

[timmynausea]

Really the BCS money just gets divided up among the different conferences revenue sharing plans. Everyone talks about it like each team actually gets $15 million.

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by timmynausea

Really the BCS money just gets divided up among the different conferences revenue sharing plans. Everyone talks about it like each team actually gets $15 million.

Yes, the media does totally misrepresent this.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by timmynausea

Really the BCS money just gets divided up among the different conferences revenue sharing plans. Everyone talks about it like each team actually gets $15 million.

Is that for all the conferences?

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

Is that for all the conferences?

All except for ND who gets to keep it all. But that all changes for them next year.

[timmynausea]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

Is that for all the conferences?

I'm not sure how each conference does it, but yes every conference does have a revenue sharing plan in place for their bowl money. I know a lot of conferences basically split the money evenly among the teams, but the Big East gives the 1st place team a little more than the second place team and so on. In fact, Miami had a pretty sweet deal in the Big East as up until this season the first place Big East team got a much bigger cut of the BCS money (I've read around $8 million) whereas this year it'll be closer to $2.5 or $3 million for first place as it is a lot closer to an even split among the 8 teams.

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by bsak16

All except for ND who gets to keep it all. But that all changes for them next year.

1. Does Notre Dame keep it all this year?
2. How does it change next year?

[timmynausea]

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

1. Does Notre Dame keep it all this year?
2. How does it change next year?

Starting next year Notre Dame would get around $5 million if they make the BCS and $1.4 million in years when they don't make it, basically making it closer to how things would be for them if they were in a conference.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Notre Dame will be keeping all of the money this year. The money is already earmarked for financial aid and for purchasing equipment for the new undergraduate sciences building under construction.

[MrBigglesworth]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

Notre Dame will be keeping all of the money this year. The money is already earmarked for financial aid and for purchasing equipment for the new undergraduate sciences building under construction.

I have to wonder, if ND didn't make the BCS this year, would the undergraduate science buildings be left empty? Not singling out ND, I think every school does this, but I think they go over the top to make it seem like the BCS money is going to 'good causes'.

[scooper]

Originally Posted by MrBigglesworth

I have to wonder, if ND didn't make the BCS this year, would the undergraduate science buildings be left empty? Not singling out ND, I think every school does this, but I think they go over the top to make it seem like the BCS money is going to 'good causes'.

Bowl money at ND always goes to academic endeavors. That was probably a concession to allow them back into bowls in the first place. ND didn't participate in bowls for about 45 years.

I don't mean this to show them as some sort of shining example. I'm sure there are a lot of schools that put bowl money into academics.

To answer your question, the money would have probably come from the general fund or some fund raising efforts would have happened. Saving money in the general fund is never a bad thing.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by MrBigglesworth

I have to wonder, if ND didn't make the BCS this year, would the undergraduate science buildings be left empty? Not singling out ND, I think every school does this, but I think they go over the top to make it seem like the BCS money is going to 'good causes'.

I would imagine it would have come from fundraising. Since we're planning to build a new engineering building or three, anything that makes a dent there is a positive in my book.

I don't know that ND is unique in allocating one-time windfalls like this to academics, but I am pleased that they did so.

[duckman]

Originally Posted by IMetTrentGreen

oregon is going to throttle ou

Shift key and punctuation is your friend.

Seriously, I think the game will fairly close, but it wouldn't suprise me to see Oregon win by a couple touchdowns. The team has really improved over the course of the season, so I would not suprise to see OU pull off the upset either.

[Cuckoo]

Originally Posted by duckman

Shift key and punctuation is your friend.

Seriously, I think the game will fairly close, but it wouldn't suprise me to see Oregon win by a couple touchdowns. The team has really improved over the course of the season, so I would not suprise to see OU pull off the upset either.

Bah. I was hoping nobody would give IMTG the satisfaction of a response. He'll make idiot predictions like this, and if it happens, he'll come back and say, "See, I told you. OU sucks. Mack Brown is recruiting god. Bob Stoops just gets lucky."

Or rather, he'll do it without the capitalization and periods.

If he's wrong, he'll never come back and admit it. He has proven that time and time again.

As for the game, I too expect it to be a good game. Based on the teams OU has lost to this year, they're still a quality team (despite what the media will have you believe). And Oregon has had a bit easier schedule than OU overall, so I would set aside their records and say they're closer in quality than that would indicate.

To be honest, I haven't seen Oregon play since they lost their QB. I hear they play a couple of guys, and one is a top recruit with tons of talent. I know their defense has been solid. I expect it to be fairly low-scoring, and the one thing that can't be discounted is Oregon being BCS-snubbed. They could respond to that by playing with a ton of emotion, or they could feel sorry for themselves. Whichever is the case might determine the outcome.

I don't think this will be a blowout either way - I think the winning team does so by 0-10 points or so. I'm not ready to make a score prediction yet, though, as I'd still like to look at some of Oregon's games since losing their QB.

[Noop]

Nole envy. Is such a great thing.

[IMetTrentGreen]

i just wasted 20 minutes typing an in depth post, since my one line one didn't go over, and i got logged out before i could post it. didn't save it, now its gone why can't a stay logged in?

Shift key and punctuation is your friend.

grammar is yours

[IMetTrentGreen]

Bah. I was hoping nobody would give IMTG the satisfaction of a response. He'll make idiot predictions like this, and if it happens, he'll come back and say, "See, I told you. OU sucks. Mack Brown is recruiting god. Bob Stoops just gets lucky."

Or rather, he'll do it without the capitalization and periods.

If he's wrong, he'll never come back and admit it. He has proven that time and time again.

As for the game, I too expect it to be a good game. Based on the teams OU has lost to this year, they're still a quality team (despite what the media will have you believe). And Oregon has had a bit easier schedule than OU overall, so I would set aside their records and say they're closer in quality than that would indicate.

To be honest, I haven't seen Oregon play since they lost their QB. I hear they play a couple of guys, and one is a top recruit with tons of talent. I know their defense has been solid. I expect it to be fairly low-scoring, and the one thing that can't be discounted is Oregon being BCS-snubbed. They could respond to that by playing with a ton of emotion, or they could feel sorry for themselves. Whichever is the case might determine the outcome.

I don't think this will be a blowout either way - I think the winning team does so by 0-10 points or so. I'm not ready to make a score prediction yet, though, as I'd still like to look at some of Oregon's games since losing their QB.

hilarious post. lets take this one by one:

1. "If he's wrong, he'll never come back and admit it. He has proven that time and time again."

i get that a lot, mostly from you. i make predictions then go away. i mean, a lot. its like all anyone says to me anymore. yet not once has anyone offered up an example. i prove it? how about you prove it. im sure i've been wrong before, but i have tried to admit it best i can. its like how everyone says i always picked texas to beat ou, when this year was the first time i did. im a perfect 5-0 on this forum, but you'd think i was 0-5. i think im getting a bum rap here. im not trying to make myself a martyr here, just be fair. the ou game, and scotty bowman being fired are all i can remember predicing in the last year, and i was right on both . . . just a little late on one. i only visit this site about once every 6 weeks before i joined that bbcf league yesterday, so i dont come back right or wrong

2. "See, I told you. OU sucks. Mack Brown is recruiting god. Bob Stoops just gets lucky."

im fine with nobody liking me sticking up for mack brown. we all have eggs on our faces about that. i certainly didnt think he'd get to this point after that shameful holiday bowl performance. a clinic in how not to win a game. but the fact of the matter is, he's a top 1-3 coach in all of college football now. we've got a 25ish game winning streak (if texas beats usc and vince comes back, the s treak should hit 38), talent out the wazoo with another giant class coming, he fired all the terrible assistants and replaced them with the cream of the crop. you should hear some of the stuff he says now, im not sure its the same guy. mack took his whooping from stoops, continued to get better players, and now its showing. until he retires, texas will be in the top 5 before the bowl games. i'd much rather have him than stoops. by a lot. i was laughed out of any forum i said it on, but i stuck by my guns on stoops not recruiting well and being too predictable. now there are maybe 5-6 guys starting for ou that could even play for texas (three would start, by my count). the talent isn't there. chuck long is maybe the worst oc in the country, for sure in the conference. that offensive scheme doesn't make any sense. i almost feel bad for you guys

3. "I too expect it to be a good game. Based on the teams OU has lost to this year, they're still a quality team (despite what the media will have you believe). And Oregon has had a bit easier schedule than OU overall, so I would set aside their records and say they're closer in quality than that would indicate."

ha . . . ha. ou lost to tcu and ucla. a wac team and the softest team in the country. they got played evenly with tulsa, peterson bailed them out. baylor nearly took them to overtime at home. ou lost to tech, a week or two after tech lost to ok state. tech also got beat by about 35 in austin. stoops had never lost to leach. oregon's schedule isn't much, but they are 10-1 with a loss to the team that beat the good ou team by 40, half of that was without their best player on offense. this is the kind of stuff that made me really lose my want to have serious discussions here

4. "I don't think this will be a blowout either way - I think the winning team does so by 0-10 points or so."

yeah, i'd expect the winning team to win by 0 also

oregon does the same stuff a&m and stephen mcgee killed ou with, but better. they can actually complete a pass. i had forgotten that oregon lost their qb, so maybe that will keep it from a throttling, maybe 10-14 now. the oregon dl is the strong point of their defense, the dt's specifically. ou's interior ol is the weakest point. peterson won't have room, bomar won't have time, not that it matters since he is horrible, and ou won't come within a td

i can't make it clear enough, oklahoma is a bad football team. they went 7-4 in a terrible conference. they are not rebuilding. once peterson leaves there is nobody there than can win a game, unless they have someone i don't know about yet. the ol is horrid. bomar, well . . . you can have him. none of the recievers are legit threats outside of wilson. the lb's can't cover, the safties just stink, and the good dl are all on crutches on the sideline

oregon 30s ou less than 17

if i'm wrong, i'll be back. i hate ou but i've always been objective about them. i loved watching the 2000 team, and i was damn right about them not being better every year since, despite vegasvic and bob stoops declarations. i have legitimate reasons from thinking oregon wins, so im not scared to be wrong

[IMetTrentGreen]

sorry that was so long

[Cuckoo]

Originally Posted by IMetTrentGreen

sorry that was so long

Me too. It's tough reading so much garbage. I wish I had the last 2 minutes of my life back.