Wow - How about the Manning boos? (and draft commentary)

[ISiddiqui]

'Skins take Taylor. Nice pick by Gibbs.

[Chubby]

there's the QB trade

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

'Skins take Taylor. Nice pick by Gibbs.

They're going to trade.

WOW Giants sending a LOT to SD.

[ISiddiqui]

WOW... trade... Chargers trade picks with the Giants and the Giants give 3rd round this year and 1st and 5th next year to the Chargers. Giant fans are PISSED.

[Fouts]

YES!!!

[RPI-Fan]

Giants bailed SD out there.

Giants completely screwed themselves, giving up a very good QB and a bunch of picks for another, umm, very good QB?

[Primal]

Charges got a hell of a deal on the trade

[RPI-Fan]

San Diego did EVERYTHING wrong here, and STILL got a top QB and a bunch of picks. What a blunder by the Giants.

[ISiddiqui]

I like this deal by the Chargers... that's a lot of players and Rivers isn't that much less than Manning.

[Chubby]

1st and 5th next year to SD but still...

[ISiddiqui]

And this is why the Giants suck .

[sabotai]

*having aneurysm because of Ernie Accorsi*

[sabotai]

When they announced the trade, I though "Ok here we go, the trade they've been talking about"

Then he said "And next year's 1st round pick..."

And it happened. I had an aneurysm.

[Chubby]

hmmm Rivers had a Chargers hat at his house. (family member had it in the background)

[RendeR]

Holy shit, the Giants just amde the worst deal of this draft.

[21C]

. . . and this is exactly the reason why I decided to stay up past 3 am ( in Australia ) to follow this live.

[The Afoci]

Well there goes the Vikings chance at the spotlight for a third year in a row.

[JAG]

Well, Eli's pretty close to a sure thing as a top QB. That's quite a rarity. But considering next year's pick will be in the mid-teens probably (just a guess, but it's a tough division and they still have numerous holes, plus a rookie QB starting, plus Coughlin's first year as coach of the team)...I have to agree, that's a lot to give up. Not a cap-friendly move.

[sabotai]

THem trying ot get Eli was made fine when Gallery was taken #2...but to give up next year's 1st round pick for him...that's just horrible. Terrible. Eli Manning is not worth that much more than Rivers.

(Rivers + 3rd + 2005 1st + 2005 5th) > Eli Manning

[Celeval]

Wow. Browns are trading, too.

Eli Manning for Philip Rivers + 3rd in 2004 + 1st in 2005 + 5th in 2005 is the Giants deal.

[Tekneek]

I would expect Kerry Collins to be the starter going into the season, unless Eli steals the job. If Eli steals the job, then there should be no argument. I hear that Kerry Collins has one more season on his contract and that gives them a chance to slide Eli in at his own pace.

[The Afoci]

I am stuck at work watching the horrible ESPN Draft Cast? What are the Browns doing?

[oykib]

Abject Stupidity is what it seems like.

I think Ernie Accorsi may have just saved Terry Bradway's job.

[JAG]

I was hoping the Skins would take Winslow...I think Taylor was by far the better pick.

[Tekneek]

Maybe they expect their first round pick to be low because they are going to have a good year next season...?

[ISiddiqui]

I just think it was interesting that Rivers was taken ahead of Roethlesburger, when a few months ago that would have been unthinkable.

[Celeval]

Browns moved up to take Winslow. I'd rather have Taylor.. hm.

[Draft Dodger]

are the Giants on drugs?

[JAG]

There's talk about Collins being released if the Giants got Eli, so Collins won't necessarily be starting.

[ISiddiqui]

What are the Browns doing?

Just took Kellen Winslow. Traded up one spot with Detroit.

[Primal]

How do the Lions pass on Winslow? He would have been great there.

[Chubby]

come on Bills, steal Roethlisberger

[Honolulu_Blue]

Browns traded their second round pick to Detroit. Detroit moves down one spot. This leaves them to either 1) take Roy Williams, who they are very high on or 2) trade down again, get even more picks, and take Steven Jackson, the RB they most desperately need.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Primal

How do the Lions pass on Winslow? He would have been great there.

I think they wanted Williams more and could trade down, still get him and get something else too.

[The Afoci]

This is great for the Vikings that no d-lineman have been taken yet. I pray they don't take a LB.

[Draft Dodger]

no, really. the Giants really made that trade? it's not a joke?

[JAG]

I love those deals to move down one pick. I think Cleveland made a mistake making that trade...I don't think another team was looking to move up to get Winslow II.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Primal

How do the Lions pass on Winslow? He would have been great there.

I just don't think the Lions wanted to take either a Tight End (Winslow) or Safety (Taylor) at #6. I guess they are banking on Ricks coming back into form (not likely) or getting a TE later in the draft.

The Lions have a ton of holes. A ton. I think skipping down one spot for an additional second rounder was worth it. With the #37 pick (the Brown's second round pick) the Lions will have a chance to draft another possible starter at some position of need.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Tekneek

Maybe they expect their first round pick to be low because they are going to have a good year next season...?

Unless Coughlin is more of a wizard than anyone expects, I can't see the Giants picking lower than 8th next year....

[Chubby]

and of course the Bills boards are down grrr

[Noop]

Originally Posted by The Afoci

I am stuck at work watching the horrible ESPN Draft Cast? What are the Browns doing?

You work? I always thought you was some rich dude who got his money from an old aunt who pasted away... Man that just messed up my mental image totally now I see you in a suit and tie.

[Chubby]

Roy goes to Det

[Honolulu_Blue]

Roy Williams it is...

[ISiddiqui]

And the Lions take Roy Williams.. you think a RB would be something they'd want (nothing against Williams).

[JAG]

If he and Rogers develop according to their draft position, that'll be a hell of a combo at receiver for the Lions.

[Chubby]

damnit the Bills have to get to 10th to draft Ben otherwise Pitt will take him

[The Afoci]

Originally Posted by Noop

You work? I always thought you was some rich dude who got his money from an old aunt who pasted away... Man that just messed up my mental image totally now I see you in a suit and tie.

Well, I sell cars so no suit and tie for me. Or work for that matter.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Wow, I love how the facts have no bearing on anyone's opinion here.

Archie manning wasn't even involved in this until Tagliabue called him and asked him to step in.

Yes Eli doesn't want to go to San Diego, if I were him, I'd say the same thing, I don't want to waste my career and health on a team that shows no signs of having any interest in competing in the NFL.

Everyone has said that the Chargers letting this whole thing out in public made the single stupidest mistake in NFL draft history. They lost all leaverage for trades and with their fans. The Chargers destroyed this situation, they did it to themselves.

Call Eli whatever you want, I don't fault him for wanting to have a better future than what san diego could ever offer him.

I hope he demands 3x what any other first rounder would get and sits out if they don't pay it. The fans at the draft are a pack of assinine jackals, talk about showing no class at all. wow.

I agree. The guy is good enough to play the one trump card he has, why not use it. If he were a different kid, with a different pedigree, no one would be jumping his shit. But because he's a Manning, he's supposed to fit everyone's stereotype? Screw that.

[henry296]

Could the Lions take a RB with 1 one of those 2nds?

[ISiddiqui]

Wait... why did the Browns give a 2ND ROUND pick to move up one spot?!