FOFC Draft: The Four Sport Challenge - Best Athletes in History - Page 2

Huckleberry · 01-13-2006, 05:09 PM

I feel Michael Jordan was a poor pick in the #1 overall position. Of course, based on the request not to discuss players until they're picked, it's not like I can fully explain why I feel that way at this point.

But there it is.

DaddyTorgo · 01-13-2006, 05:12 PM

think he's bad. wait till you see my team. drafting at #12+#13 overall I think I have very little idea of who will be taken/who will be available so I've got to sorta wait and see who gets picked before I can even go after it. I have some GENERAL thoughts, but that's about it.

Raiders Army · 01-13-2006, 05:13 PM

Well, I picked him not only for his on-the-court skill, but for everything else as well. (blank) wasn't in a movie and (blank) didn't have his own cologne. Now that I picked him, I think of two others that I probably would've picked over him, but oh well. At least he's better than Peyton Manning.

Huckleberry · 01-13-2006, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Well, I picked him not only for his on-the-court skill, but for everything else as well. (blank) wasn't in a movie and (blank) didn't have his own cologne. Now that I picked him, I think of two others that I probably would've picked over him, but oh well. At least he's better than Peyton Manning.

I agree, a better pick than Manning.

However, I feel that it is indeed arguable as to whether he is the most dominant basketball player of all time. In fact, I tend to think (other guy) is. Meanwhile, I think (other other guy) in (other sport) is inarguably the greatest ever. At least I haven't seen a complete argument for anyone else that even makes me consider for a second that he isn't the greatest ever.

vex · 01-13-2006, 05:29 PM

Jordan would have been my top pick as well, fwiw.

Raven Hawk · 01-13-2006, 06:12 PM

I would have taken Sam Bowie ahead of Micheal Jordan.

Alan T · 01-13-2006, 06:13 PM

Are the Vikings still on the clock?

Buccaneer · 01-13-2006, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Sorry guys. My fault to a bad start. I'll edit and take

Michael Jordan

He was absolutely the most dominant basketball player of any time, including any present day guys. Right now everyone from Vince Carter to LeBron James has been dubbed the "Next Michael Jordan".

Edit--And I feel like a total dumbass. I apologize to all involved who had to wait and let me re-pick.

That probably is true but it's not saying very much. No one was ended being called the "pre-Michael Jordan" or the Michael Jordan of his era because while he was the best of his era and since,
ps. I had this written yesterday waiting for RA to re-pick since we all knew he would pick Jordan.

DaddyTorgo · 01-13-2006, 06:29 PM

so would a "theme" team work for this game? "Best goons" or "best players who went before their time" or something? what does the voting public think? or am i barking up the wrong tree?

Schmidty · 01-13-2006, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

so would a "theme" team work for this game? "Best goons" or "best players who went before their time" or something? what does the voting public think? or am i barking up the wrong tree?

I think that having a strong team from one general era could get votes from some different group, such as '70's stars would draw in the guys in their upper 30's/low 40's. It's kind of like certain TV shows draw in certain age groups. I'm not sure if that technique is better than just taking overall value though. Of course, it might be more fun to draft guys that you like from specific eras.

SnDvls · 01-13-2006, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

so would a "theme" team work for this game? "Best goons" or "best players who went before their time" or something? what does the voting public think? or am i barking up the wrong tree?

I'd say no on my end since it does now say "best athletes in history"
but that's just my opinion. Go for it I guess if that's what you want as it's all in fun anyhow.

Maple Leafs · 01-13-2006, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

No one was ended being called the "pre-Michael Jordan" or the Michael Jordan of his era because while he was the best of his era and since,

What school go you?

Buccaneer · 01-13-2006, 07:55 PM

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What school go you?

old.

Buccaneer · 01-13-2006, 07:57 PM

But to answer your question literally, I did go to UNC and tutored Jordan in the summer before he "got" his degree. But while he was an extraordinary athlete and a gifted player, I have rejected what he turned the game into (one player, one ball in 24 seconds).

Schmidty · 01-13-2006, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

But to answer your question literally, I did go to UNC and tutored Jordan in the summer before he "got" his degree. But while he was an extraordinary athlete and a gifted player, I have rejected what he turned the game into (one player, one ball in 24 seconds).

Watch the Detroit Pistons sometime.

Raiders Army · 01-13-2006, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

But to answer your question literally, I did go to UNC and tutored Jordan in the summer before he "got" his degree. But while he was an extraordinary athlete and a gifted player, I have rejected what he turned the game into (one player, one ball in 24 seconds).

So you schooled MJ?

Buccaneer · 01-13-2006, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

So you schooled MJ?

Yeah, the two days he showed up all summer. On the first day and just before the last day of the summer session. Guess what grade he got?

Schmidty, I have been told about the exception that are the Pistons. Such style of play is not universal but I see it way, way too much in college and pro.

Schmidty · 01-13-2006, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Schmidty, I have been told about the exception that are the Pistons. Such style of play is not universal but I see it way, way too much in college and pro.

I agree. That's why I love that team so much. The other team like that is the Spurs. Guess who the two best teams in the NBA are?

Karlifornia · 01-13-2006, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Yeah, the two days he showed up all summer. On the first day and just before the last day of the summer session. Guess what grade he got?

Schmidty, I have been told about the exception that are the Pistons. Such style of play is not universal but I see it way, way too much in college and pro.

Or the Spurs.or the Suns..or the Mavs....or the Heat...

Just because SportsCenter is obsessed with Kobe, Iverson, etc., doesn't mean every team plays that way. The best teams are the teams that play a team game, and eventually every team will pick up on it again.

ThunderingHERD · 01-13-2006, 08:43 PM

Wayne Gretsky

kcchief19 · 01-13-2006, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

But while he was an extraordinary athlete and a gifted player, I have rejected what he turned the game into (one player, one ball in 24 seconds).

Not an unreasonable view, but I've always view Jordan as the last of the previous era, not the first of the current era. If anybody is an example of that adage not working it's Jordan, since when he was scoring 40 points a game he lost all the time and got blow out in the playoffs, but once he had some teammates and a system he thrived. And he played defense, unlike some of today's stars.

Regardless, I'd put him down easily as one of the five best basketball players of all time and certainly the most athletic.

Buccaneer · 01-13-2006, 08:52 PM

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Or the Spurs.or the Suns..or the Mavs....or the Heat...

Just because SportsCenter is obsessed with Kobe, Iverson, etc., doesn't mean every team plays that way. The best teams are the teams that play a team game, and eventually every team will pick up on it again.

Do you see a trend towards a more team game and away from the "Be Like Mike" syndrome?

Buccaneer · 01-13-2006, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by kcchief19

Regardless, I'd put him down easily as one of the five best basketball players of all time and certainly the most athletic.

I would agree with this (in the top 5). Too many have said he is by far and away the best all time.

But your view that he was the last of an era is interesting. Something happened and I don't know what exactly except that it happened during his time. Did he pave the way for the thugs/urban asphalt type players to dominate the game (or at least the highlights)? I don't know but holding the ball for 20 seconds and then dunking from the FT throw line while everyone just stand around (I exaggerate) makes great highlights but probably started to turn off many fans when others try to do that and couldn't very well. We saw that with a certain Nuggets players last season and even though he has matured some this season, he still has a tendency to look very, very foolish at times (like many others I have seen since 1995). Not all, though.

General Mike · 01-13-2006, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ThunderingHERD

Wayne Gretsky

sonuvabitch.

With the 3rd pick the General Mike All-Stars select Babe Ruth.

TazFTW · 01-13-2006, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by General Mike

sonuvabitch.

x2!

I was hoping that the top 3 would be from baseball, football, basketball, and then I could grab The Great One.

Buccaneer · 01-13-2006, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by General Mike

sonuvabitch.

With the 3rd pick the General Mike All-Stars select Babe Ruth.

If this was an ESPN game, that pick would have been disqualified. They don't believe sports existing before 25 years ago.

DaddyTorgo · 01-13-2006, 09:07 PM

ruth and gretzkey down already?? I shudder to think who will be left to me at #12/13!!

Maple Leafs · 01-13-2006, 09:07 PM

I see where this is going.

Anyone want to trade up to the #5 pick?

Raiders Army · 01-13-2006, 09:09 PM

I was thinking Gretzsky because I don't know much hockey...but then again, that's probably why I didn't pick him in the first place.

Raiders Army · 01-13-2006, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

ruth and gretzkey down already?? I shudder to think who will be left to me at #12/13!!

I'm with you man. I gotta wait till #24/25. I'm hoping the guy I want is still available (and should be).

path12 · 01-13-2006, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

ruth and gretzkey down already?? I shudder to think who will be left to me at #12/13!!

There'll be plenty. Last time I had 12/13 in fantasy league I cleaned up.

TazFTW · 01-13-2006, 09:23 PM

I was thinking about going the other sports route because I feel I can still get fan appreciated picks in the big 4. Here's to hoping that one of my other sports picks last.

With the Fourth Pick, Team Taz selects

Jim Brown, Football

He was a man amongst boys.

Schmidty · 01-13-2006, 09:24 PM

Glad to see things finally get going.

Maple Leafs · 01-13-2006, 09:27 PM

Not too tough a call here.

1.5 Muhammad Ali, other

Karlifornia · 01-13-2006, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Do you see a trend towards a more team game and away from the "Be Like Mike" syndrome?

I think so. I mean, the Spurs and Pistons aren't just competitive teams, but dominant teams. This sort of success means their assistants will probably get coaching jobs around the league, and this mantra will spread. I mean, look at the 49ers back the 80's, and all of the assistants that became head coaches and offensive coordinators, and how the West Coast offense spread because of it. I could be completely wrong, though..

TazFTW · 01-13-2006, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Not too tough a call here.

1.5 Muhammad Ali, other

One of the others I was considering.

Schmidty · 01-13-2006, 09:36 PM

Ok, this was a tough choice, but I'll pick one of the most dominant athletes of any era:

Tiger Woods - Other

tanglewood · 01-13-2006, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Ok, this was a tough choice, but I'll pick one of the most dominant athletes of any era:

Tiger Woods - Other

Sorry guy, I think you may be mistaken, but this is an athlete draft.

Schmidty · 01-13-2006, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by tanglewood

Sorry guy, I think you may be mistaken, but this is an athlete draft.

Have you ever played golf? Muscle memory, constant physical practice, constant walking. Golfers are easily athletes and anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves or jealous.

Buccaneer · 01-13-2006, 09:49 PM

Oh great, wait until we get a race car driver.

Schmidty · 01-13-2006, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Oh great, wait until we get a race car driver.

They're definitely not athletes in my opinion, but that's the beauty of this competition.

tanglewood · 01-13-2006, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Have you ever played golf? Muscle memory, constant physical practice, constant walking. Golfers are easily athletes and anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves or jealous.

Sarcasm.

As for race car drivers, depends. F1 drivers are more athletes than golfers for sure.

Schmidty · 01-13-2006, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by tanglewood

Sarcasm.

As for race car drivers, depends. F1 drivers are more athletes than golfers for sure.

I don't agree, but that's cool.

kcchief19 · 01-13-2006, 10:20 PM

Jim Thorpe - Other

Do you know what King Gustav said to him? He said, "Sir, you are the greatest athlete in the world."

So I got that going for my team.

Maple Leafs · 01-13-2006, 10:33 PM

Excellent pick, cheif.

vex · 01-13-2006, 10:40 PM

Gah, that was my pick.

kcchief19 · 01-13-2006, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

But your view that he was the last of an era is interesting. Something happened and I don't know what exactly except that it happened during his time. Did he pave the way for the thugs/urban asphalt type players to dominate the game (or at least the highlights)? I don't know but holding the ball for 20 seconds and then dunking from the FT throw line while everyone just stand around (I exaggerate) makes great highlights but probably started to turn off many fans when others try to do that and couldn't very well. We saw that with a certain Nuggets players last season and even though he has matured some this season, he still has a tendency to look very, very foolish at times (like many others I have seen since 1995). Not all, though.

You're helping me flesh out my thoughts a bit. I think it's certainly possible that Jordan had a negative influence on players who followed him because people tried to imitate him but failed because none of them have his talent and none of them work as hard as he did to be that good.

I think NBA players going to the Olympics has been a fascinating barometer for the sport. The 1992 was so dominant that many people including myself though that the rest of the world would take a few more generations to catch up. It actuality, it took about 10 years. The Mavs and Spurs were referenced as two teams doing things right -- I don't think it's a mistake those teams have key players from other countries. Whereas American players try to be Michael Jordan, European players try to be Larry Bird. Larry Bird's a much better model because Larry Bird was not terribly athletic. You can be Larry Bird with hardwork, but unless you're born with the athleticism Jordan had, no amount of hardwork will help.

Schmidty · 01-13-2006, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Sounds good to me, but I feel like I'm to blame since he logged on about 4 AM EST this morning, just about two hours before I corrected my mistake.

Edit--Thanks for putting Michael Jordan under basketball instead of baseball.

I was tempted.

Buccaneer · 01-13-2006, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kcchief19

You're helping me flesh out my thoughts a bit. I think it's certainly possible that Jordan had a negative influence on players who followed him because people tried to imitate him but failed because none of them have his talent and none of them work as hard as he did to be that good.

I think NBA players going to the Olympics has been a fascinating barometer for the sport. The 1992 was so dominant that many people including myself though that the rest of the world would take a few more generations to catch up. It actuality, it took about 10 years. The Mavs and Spurs were referenced as two teams doing things right -- I don't think it's a mistake those teams have key players from other countries. Whereas American players try to be Michael Jordan, European players try to be Larry Bird. Larry Bird's a much better model because Larry Bird was not terribly athletic. You can be Larry Bird with hardwork, but unless you're born with the athleticism Jordan had, no amount of hardwork will help.

I agree with all of your thoughts.

vex · 01-13-2006, 11:06 PM

With the 1.8 selection in the 2006 Best Athletes in History, the vex's select:

Bo Jackson - Wildcard(Football & Baseball)

At McAdory High School in McCalla, Ala., Jackson claimed two state decathlon championships.

Was Originally drafted by the New York Yankees in the 1982 draft in the 2nd round, but turned down their contract offer to accept a football scholarship at Auburn where he would win the Heisman.

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers made Jackson the first selection of the 1986 NFL draft. But Jackson declined because he wanted to play major league baseball.

Jackson was the first athlete named to play in the All-Star Game of two major sports.

And who could forget, Tecmo Bowl.

01-13-2006, 06:12 PM	#56
Raven Hawk College Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Thunderdome	I would have taken Sam Bowie ahead of Micheal Jordan. __________________ Owner of The Shreveport Pride in The CFL

01-13-2006, 08:43 PM	#70
ThunderingHERD College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Wayne Gretsky __________________ "I'm losing my edge--to better looking people... with better ideas... and more talent. And who are actually really, really nice." "Everyone's a voyeurist--they're watching me watch them watch me right now."

01-13-2006, 09:07 PM	#78
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	I see where this is going. Anyone want to trade up to the #5 pick? __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

01-13-2006, 09:23 PM	#82
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	I was thinking about going the other sports route because I feel I can still get fan appreciated picks in the big 4. Here's to hoping that one of my other sports picks last. With the Fourth Pick, Team Taz selects Jim Brown, Football He was a man amongst boys. Last edited by TazFTW : 01-13-2006 at 09:24 PM.

01-13-2006, 09:24 PM	#83
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Glad to see things finally get going. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

01-13-2006, 05:12 PM	#52
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	think he's bad. wait till you see my team. drafting at #12+#13 overall I think I have very little idea of who will be taken/who will be available so I've got to sorta wait and see who gets picked before I can even go after it. I have some GENERAL thoughts, but that's about it.

01-13-2006, 05:13 PM	#53
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Well, I picked him not only for his on-the-court skill, but for everything else as well. (blank) wasn't in a movie and (blank) didn't have his own cologne. Now that I picked him, I think of two others that I probably would've picked over him, but oh well. At least he's better than Peyton Manning.

01-13-2006, 05:29 PM	#55
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	Jordan would have been my top pick as well, fwiw.

01-13-2006, 06:13 PM	#57
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Are the Vikings still on the clock?

01-13-2006, 06:29 PM	#59
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	so would a "theme" team work for this game? "Best goons" or "best players who went before their time" or something? what does the voting public think? or am i barking up the wrong tree?

01-13-2006, 07:57 PM	#64
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	But to answer your question literally, I did go to UNC and tutored Jordan in the summer before he "got" his degree. But while he was an extraordinary athlete and a gifted player, I have rejected what he turned the game into (one player, one ball in 24 seconds).

01-13-2006, 09:09 PM	#79
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	I was thinking Gretzsky because I don't know much hockey...but then again, that's probably why I didn't pick him in the first place.

01-13-2006, 09:27 PM	#84
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	Not too tough a call here. 1.5 Muhammad Ali, other __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

01-13-2006, 09:36 PM	#87
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Ok, this was a tough choice, but I'll pick one of the most dominant athletes of any era: Tiger Woods - Other __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

01-13-2006, 09:49 PM	#90
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	Oh great, wait until we get a race car driver.

01-13-2006, 10:20 PM	#94
kcchief19 Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO	Jim Thorpe - Other Do you know what King Gustav said to him? He said, "Sir, you are the greatest athlete in the world." So I got that going for my team.

01-13-2006, 10:33 PM	#95
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	Excellent pick, cheif. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

01-13-2006, 10:40 PM	#96
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	Gah, that was my pick.

01-13-2006, 11:06 PM	#100
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	With the 1.8 selection in the 2006 Best Athletes in History, the vex's select: Bo Jackson - Wildcard(Football & Baseball) At McAdory High School in McCalla, Ala., Jackson claimed two state decathlon championships. Was Originally drafted by the New York Yankees in the 1982 draft in the 2nd round, but turned down their contract offer to accept a football scholarship at Auburn where he would win the Heisman. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers made Jackson the first selection of the 1986 NFL draft. But Jackson declined because he wanted to play major league baseball. Jackson was the first athlete named to play in the All-Star Game of two major sports. And who could forget, Tecmo Bowl.

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