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Someone care to point out the part where this pastor is condemming all residents of New Orleans as evil and wicked people who are going to hell? For those who believe in God, we believe that things happen for a reason. Yes, there are pyhsical conditions in nature that cause a hurricane but religious people believe there is a higher power at work as well. Why did so many hurricanes miss New Orleans in the past? Why did this one hit? For those who don't believe, they'll draw it up 100% to nature and science but for those who do have religious faith - they might take into account a greater power at work and that this one hit New Orleans for a reason. I'm sure there are many priests and pastors and deacons that are drawing similar parallels in their churches - telling their congregations that this horrific disaster is a sign that you never know when your hour will come and that you should be sorry for the things you have done wrong and committ yourself to doing better from this day on. I see nothing where this pastor is praising God for the city flooding and people dying. I see him making a point that New Orleans is a place where sin is on display and embraced with things like Mardi Gras and to tell his congregation to let what happened be a warning to them to change their lives like the story of Sodom and Gommorah in the Bible. I agree that its unfortunate that people who hate religion will be quick to jump on it and run with it. Ah yes, all religious people are nutjobs and are celebrating that people died, right? Or are all religious people nutjobs because they can believe in something without having physical proof and/or reason staring them in the face? Having religious faith means you believe in a higher power - you believe in signs from God so some religious people are going to look at this as a sign - as a warning and reminder that God wants them to change their ways before they are faced with tribulations or even death in their own life. I fail to see the part where the religious nutjobs are dancing in the pews because people in New Orleans are dead - if someone would care to point that out I'd be happy to reconsider my thoughts. |
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People are stunningly slow-witted, stubborn, or both.
If believers can't understand why this sign is so offensive to unbelievers, then they're stunningly slow-witted and/or stubborn. If unbelievers can't understand why believers would see nothing wrong with this sign, then they're stunningly slow-witted and/or stubborn. This one should be very easy to see from both sides of the fence. It is a matter of perspective, people.
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1The transgression of the wicked saith within my heart, that there is no fear of God before his eyes. 2For he flattereth himself in his own eyes, until his iniquity be found to be hateful. 3The words of his mouth are iniquity and deceit: he hath left off to be wise, and to do good. 4He deviseth mischief upon his bed; he setteth himself in a way that is not good; he abhorreth not evil. 5Thy mercy, O LORD, is in the heavens; and thy faithfulness reacheth unto the clouds. |
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Well said. In addition, there are many, many different kinds of Christians. I think anyone would be a near idiot to put them under the same tent. But then again, that seems like the easiest way to do things these days. Nice little classifications for everyone means we don't have to think as hard. |
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I think it is funny and fitting that all of capsicum's posts are followed by the WTF??!?! smiley
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Actually, I really HAVE spent a lot of time on this particular issue. My Dad is a Baptist minister, and he's positively fanatic about it - he won't even look at anything but a KJV bible at this point - and we've had lengthy discussions on the matter. I have read several books on the topic and done a great deal of research on my own on the nature of many of the popular English translations and the original Greek and Hebrew texts they are based on. I've come to the conclusion that the KJV is based upon the most accurate original texts, and the translation is the most accurate English version of those texts. |
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Bad news. Mardi Gras is apparently still on. I do think it's sad that people would view this as a sign. Did you think it was a similar sign when someone gunned down Ben's friends at Tucker last year? How 'bout when my son was born not breathing, and needed a few days in the neo-natal ICU? Last edited by Solecismic : 09-12-2005 at 03:09 PM. |
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It's possible the parallel between Sodom and Gomorroh and New Orleans also has to do with the fact that New Orleans was full of blacks and S/G was a city mostly full of Africans (black people). However, maybe too much can be read into the similarity.
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Why is that sad Jim? What would be sad is if people are happy that people died or had their lives destroyed because of Katrina - why is it sad if a person thinks "Wow, what a horrible disaster. My heart goes out to the victims, the survivors and all their family and friends. Its really amazing how at any point at any time disaster can strike - maybe I better get my life in order before its too late" Is that sad that someone can view a tragedy as a wake up call to themselves? I still fail to see where people are rejoicing at the death and disaster? If they are, that is VERY wrong and very sad indeed but to look at a horrible tragedy as a wake up call for your own life...how can that be sad? |
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That response (which doesn't necessarily have anything to do with this being "a sign") doesn't sound irrational to me. I doubt anyone would have a real problem with it, unless you elaborate on what exactly you mean by "get my life in order." If this is just a veiled way of saying "God hates all the butt sex" then I think you're going to lose some passengers on your peace train. Sometimes it's the sizzle, sometimes the steak. |
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Hey the board almost shut down just now - maybe that's a sign, too.
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Gary, if you view it that way, that is very understandable. However, it has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. By referencing punishment through the parable of Sodom and Gomorrah, there is an implied judgment (human) that all residents of coastal Mississippi and southeast Louisiana were punished for wicked behavior. There's an implied human judgment that your god punishes behavior you don't approve of (the Bible does not mention New Orleans or Mississippi, by name). You erased most of the paragraph I wrote when quoting it. How do you feel about the rest of it? |
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Pastor Bennett says, "Anybody that's ever visited New Orleans, the very name its self - Big Easy - denotes that it's easy to find sin there." Pastor Bennett says the sign, is a sign of the times. "The purpose of the sign is to wake American up to the fact that America is going away from God. New York City's 9/11 was a call of judgment and New Orlean's horrible incident was judgment on a wicked city." ---- He's not saying that "all residents of New Orleans as evil and wicked people who are going to hell", but he is saying that this was an act of God punishing the city of New Orleans for being wicked, being sinners. I assume he believes all sinners are going to hell, but I don't know, never been a Baptist, not sure where they come out on that. I think his statements are pretty clear and quite shameful and, to me, it seems like he and his "ilk" are being very righteous and smug about this whole thing. Quote:
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I believe that the KJV translation is sourced from various Latin and Greek versions. Some of those Greek/Latin sources are copies of earlier works, and a bit of error (some translation, some transcription) crept in at that stage. For those books that were originally in Hebrew, like the books that comprise the Torah, there are excellent translations now that source directly from the Hebrew. I would assume that a direct sourcing would be more accurate than sourcing from a Greek or Latin translation of the Hebrew. |
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$20 million, of course. The notion that even your "free" copies don't eventually net someone somewhere a healthy chunk of dough is amusing, but naive. Even promotional copies are funded from the donations of others, given to spur conversion, which will be followed by requests for more donation, to fund the publishing of new copies of the free bibles to give away...well, a portion of those funds will go to the publishing program...the rest will go to upkeep of the ministry, new buildings (to be constructed by firms with ties to the congregation), new outreach programs (which aim to get new members to join and donate to the church), etc. None of which is here or there, or presented with any rancor. Christian publishing, in ALL its forms, is business. The fact that something is out of copyright doesn't mean that nobody makes a buck off of it - it means that the publishers don't have to pay the author a buck for it, so they can keep two. I didn't mention Zondervan, but it's worth noting that they're owned by HarperCollins, which is a Rupert Murdoch company. So when Fox News tells you about the faith and Christian values of the Republican party, are they really just cross-merchandising? Gotta go - I need to sell some KJV bibles. Last edited by Shkspr : 09-12-2005 at 03:43 PM. |
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Well I think it does deal with the discussion at hand - if you believe that this is a sign from God then yes, all residents of coastal Mississippi and SE LA were punished for wicked behavior - not necessarily their own wicked behavior though. There's no implied judgment - I do believe that God punishes behavior He does not approve of. That punishment could be small, it could be big, it could be in this life or perhaps after death. As for the rest of your earlier statement I didn't say anything because of its directly personal nature but I will say this - I believe that everything happens for a reason and that sometimes bad things do happen to good people for a reason that is not apparent to myself. Its terrible about your son but did he come through ok? Did that experience, as tragic as it is, not make you and your wife stronger and relish your son even more and realize in that moment how precious and fragile life can be? I don't know why Ben's friend was murdered or why your son was born not breathing - it doesn't make sense to me but I'm not supposed to know everything. I just accept the fact that there is a higher power than myself and that there is a reason - I know that may seem stupid to someone who is not religious but for those of us who are having that faith sometimes is the only way to get through tragedies like that. |
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I'm not suggesting the publishing business isn't making money of Christianity. The "Left Behind" novels were a disappointing illustration of that... they took a story that could have been told in about four books and stretched it out to twelve - and I think they did so largely over the profitability of the series. I also don't care much for the Zondervan company... they own the NIV copyright, and a few other "modern" translations as well. I don't care for them at all, and I know their motivation is purely profit. The fact remains that you can get a free KJV Bible from a number of sources, and you really don't have to worry about it "costing" you anything later on. |
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