Pope's Blood Pressure Drops dramatically. - Page 2

Celeval · 03-31-2005, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

So does that mean he has died or just that they're preparing him for death?

Sorry, non-Catholic here...

Also, this pope has received Last Rites/Anointing (at least) once before, after the assassination attempt in the early 80s.

JeeberD · 03-31-2005, 04:18 PM

Thanks guys...

Well, st. cronin, my longtime girlfriend is Catholic so I figure it can't hurt to learn a thing or two about the religion...

Wolfpack · 03-31-2005, 04:36 PM

The problem with trading down in this year's Pope draft is that the top level of Pontiff candidates isn't viewed to be that great and groups down the list aren't really interested in trading into the top spot, putting the Vatican in a bit of a bind. Rumor has it they're negotiating with the San Diego archdiosise for their backup cardinal who was heir apparent to the archbishopship there until the incumbent decided in the last year to get his act together.

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 03-31-2005, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfpack

The problem with trading down in this year's Pope draft is that the top level of Pontiff candidates isn't viewed to be that great and groups down the list aren't really interested in trading into the top spot, putting the Vatican in a bit of a bind. Rumor has it they're negotiating with the San Diego archdiosise for their backup cardinal who was heir apparent to the archbishopship there until the incumbent decided in the last year to get his act together.

So, I take it there won't be an American picked for Papacy again right?

st.cronin · 03-31-2005, 05:21 PM

It'll probably be some high schooler none of us have heard of yet.

Qwikshot · 03-31-2005, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

I know you're being facetious, but I had the same thought. If the Pope is God's man on Earth, doesn't letting the Cardinals vote on who should be Pope - especially if they can't get it unanimous the first time sort of cast a shadow over the whole process?

Isn't St. Louis called Heaven for baseball players?

Bea-Arthurs Hip · 03-31-2005, 06:25 PM

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So, I take it there won't be an American picked for Papacy again right?

Chances = Nill.

However, Look for the next pope to be possibly Latin-American or possibly African. Cardinal Francis Arinze who is from Nigeria, i think he is early 70's. Right out of the mold of Pope John Paul II . Also, Cardinal Oscar Andres Rodriguez who is from Hondurus, he is the one who worked with Bono on the late 1990's debt relief program.

My personal favorite is Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger who is the current Prefect of Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith . He is JPII right hand man and would be a great Pope ( I think).

QuikSand · 03-31-2005, 07:30 PM

Under the principle of papal infallibility, aren't all popes great?

Cap Ologist · 03-31-2005, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwikshot

Isn't St. Louis called Heaven for baseball players?

No, that's Iowa.

Cap Ologist · 03-31-2005, 08:04 PM

The RCC should let the pope selection be a reality show.

Possible names:
My big, fat obnoxious Pope on Fox
The Pope on ABC
The Vatican on CBS

Ksyrup · 03-31-2005, 08:09 PM

I hear Maurice Clarett is going to sue if he isn't picked.

Bea-Arthurs Hip · 03-31-2005, 08:39 PM

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Under the principle of papal infallibility, aren't all popes great?

Papal Infallibillity pertains to teaching of Doctrine.

ISiddiqui · 03-31-2005, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

It always amazes me how interested in the Pope non-Catholics are.

(Me? Lutheran.)

Any man which such an impressive hat always requires some interest

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Oh, and the next Pope will be Italian. Mark my words.

MrBug708 · 04-01-2005, 12:31 AM

How do they pick their new names?

TLK · 04-01-2005, 02:45 AM

I'd like to declare myself eligible to be the next Pope..... I'm Catholic.... how do I sign myself up?

21C · 04-01-2005, 04:20 AM

In case you were wondering . . .

The odds on who will be the next pope:
4-1: Francis Arinze
6-1: Giacomo Biffi, Dionigi Tettamanzi
8-1: Dario Castrillon Hoyos, Christoph Schonborn
10-1: Giovanni Battista Re
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2540369.stm

Dionigi Tettamanzi (Italy) 2.85/1
Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga 3.5/1
Francis Arinze (Nigeria) 4.7/1
Joseph Ratzinger (Germany) 7.6/1
Jean-Marie Lustiger (France) 10.5/1
Claudio Hummes (Brazil) 11
Count Christoph von Schoenborn (Austria) 24
Jorge Mario Bergoglio (Argentina) 27
Jaime Lucas Ortega y Alamino (Cuba) 29
Godfried Daneels (Belgium) 31
Cormac Murphy-O'Connor (Britain) 33
Giovanni Battista Re (Italy) 35
Angelo Sodano (Italy) 37
Crescenzio Sepe (Italy) 41
Giacomo Biffi (Italy) 41
Ennio Antonelli (Italy) 43
Dario Castrillion Hoyos (Colombia) 49
Bertone 54
Carlo Maria Martini (Italy) 54
George Pell (Australia) 54
Ivan Dias (India) 64
Juan Luis Cipriani (Italy) 74
http://sports.bestbetting.com/specia...-the-next-pope

Bets, please!

Ksyrup · 04-01-2005, 06:23 AM

OK, those are the lines, but who's got the rail?

Bea-Arthurs Hip · 04-01-2005, 07:25 AM

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How do they pick their new names?

The first Pope to change his name was John II in 533 , please correct me if I am wrong. He changed his name because his given name was Mercury, a pagan god, so he decided that was inapropriate as a Christian and as the Pope.

Sometimes Popes choose their names to indicate their "theology," John for instance may indicate an emphasis on ecumenism, inclusiveness, and love as the fundamental Christian teaching. Paul may indicate an emphasis on atonement, justification by grace through faith, and a more conservative approach towards ecumenism and cultural accomodation. However, most of the time they choose based on particular Saints or previous popes they admire or have devotions to.

WSUCougar · 04-01-2005, 08:25 AM

...whereas, say, Pope Muhammed may indicate a radical shift in ideology.

QuikSand · 04-01-2005, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Bea-Arthurs Hip

Papal Infallibillity pertains to teaching of Doctrine.

It was just a joke.

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 04-01-2005, 09:28 AM

Now, Does anyone know the protocol the vatican uses to tell the world that the pope has doed (of course other than a press release). As with many thingsa in catholicism there has to be some sort of symbolic sign to tell the world the pope has died.

Crapshoot · 04-01-2005, 09:33 AM

I think an African or Asian pope will do wonders for Catholicism - in terms of the imagery. From what little I know about it, Francis Arinze is considered a damn good candidate.

stkelly52 · 04-01-2005, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by CHEMICAL SOLDIER

Now, Does anyone know the protocol the vatican uses to tell the world that the pope has doed (of course other than a press release). As with many thingsa in catholicism there has to be some sort of symbolic sign to tell the world the pope has died.

I recall reading once that there is a large bell that they ring, but I don't remember where I read that at, so it may be wrong.

Tekneek · 04-01-2005, 09:38 AM

When the guy comes around shouting, "Bring out your dead", you see them throw the Pope out a window. There's the visual sign.

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 04-01-2005, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by stkelly52

I recall reading once that there is a large bell that they ring, but I don't remember where I read that at, so it may be wrong.

There has to be a visual sign too I think. Like some kind of banner being flown or a door being cosed or something. I can remember hearing about it years ago but
I could have it confused with the death of a king or some world leader.

Tekneek · 04-01-2005, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by CHEMICAL SOLDIER

some world leader.

That could be the Pope.

st.cronin · 04-01-2005, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Tekneek

That could be the Pope.

The Pope, a world leader??? How many divisions does the Pope have?

Crapshoot · 04-01-2005, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

The Pope, a world leader??? How many divisions does the Pope have?

nice... very nice.

JPhillips · 04-01-2005, 09:56 AM

The Pope's name may also serve as a link to past Popes and their ideology. JP II chose that name in part because he believed he was following in the footsteps of JP I.

I am currently in school at the Catholic University. Its very strange seeing all the local tv crews camped outside the Basilica and the JP II cultural center. It should be a very interesting week or two around here.

Bea-Arthurs Hip · 04-01-2005, 10:31 AM

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It was just a joke.

Sorry didnt catch that as it is a common misconception that nonCatholics have.

JPhillips - Are you in the seminary there? I am currently studying in my 2nd year of the permanent diaconate program at my local seminary. My uncle who is a Monsignor in the Columbus diocease went there and later taught there many years ago. Just wondering.

Mustang · 04-01-2005, 11:49 AM

From Wikipedia...

'The Pope's death is officially determined by the Cardinal Chamberlain by gently tapping the late Pope's head thrice with a silver hammer and calling his birth name three times. A doctor may or may not have already determined that the Pope had passed away. The Cardinal Chamberlain then retrieves the Fisherman's Ring. Usually the ring is on the Pope's right hand. But with Paul VI, he had stopped wearing the ring during the last years of his reign, and left it in his desk. In other cases the ring might have been removed for medical reasons. The Chamberlain cuts the ring in two in the presence of the Cardinals. The deceased Pope's seals are defaced, to keep the Pope's seal from ever being used again, and his personal apartment is sealed.'

Tapping on his freakin' head with a hammer??

I'm not dead yet.. I'm feeling better...

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 04-01-2005, 11:49 AM

Mark this down on your calendars: At around 935 am , a few minutes ago As I was working on my yard I felt gooosebumps all over my body. I just got back indoors and turned the news on and it states that the Pope has lost conscoiousness. I don't know but I think the pope left this earth at the time I felt the goosebumps.
God Rest hs soul.

Tekneek · 04-01-2005, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Mustang

The deceased Pope's seals are defaced, to keep the Pope's seal from ever being used again, and his personal apartment is sealed.'

Is his personal apartment sealed forever? How long before they run out of them?

Mustang · 04-01-2005, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CHEMICAL SOLDIER

Mark this down on your calendars: At around 935 am , a few minutes ago As I was working on my yard I felt gooosebumps all over my body. I just got back indoors and turned the news on and it states that the Pope has lost conscoiousness. I don't know but I think the pope left this earth at the time I felt the goosebumps.
God Rest hs soul.

If your nipples stiffened too.. false alarm, just a cool breeze...

3ric · 04-01-2005, 12:27 PM

Italian media has reported that the Pope's electrocardiogram shows a flat line, according to Sky News...

3ric · 04-01-2005, 12:29 PM

I guess it means they are trying to revive him...

Tekneek · 04-01-2005, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 3ric

Italian media has reported that the Pope's electrocardiogram shows a flat line, according to Sky News...

They must not have brought out the hammer yet.

Mustang · 04-01-2005, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Tekneek

They must not have brought out the hammer yet.

Wonder if it is a little hammer or one of those big ole' Gallagher Sledge-O-Matics...

Bea-Arthurs Hip · 04-01-2005, 12:52 PM

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Is his personal apartment sealed forever? How long before they run out of them?

The Papal Secratary I believe goes in at some point and removes all documents and begins archiving. Anything marked do not open or something to that effect is left for the next pontiff. The "office" is used by the next pope as well.

Totus Tuus JPII - May he rest in peace.

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 04-01-2005, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

The Pope, a world leader??? How many divisions does the Pope have?

I believe the Swiss Guards are organized in Regiments and Battalions but once the Pope declares an edict of A crusade Catholic nations everywhere can field division and corps level units into the fight.

3ric · 04-01-2005, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Tekneek

Is his personal apartment sealed forever? How long before they run out of them?

No, not forever... until they've elected a new Pope.

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CHEMICAL SOLDIER College Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Henderson, Nevada	Now, Does anyone know the protocol the vatican uses to tell the world that the pope has doed (of course other than a press release). As with many thingsa in catholicism there has to be some sort of symbolic sign to tell the world the pope has died. __________________ Toujour Pret

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Wolfpack Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Raleigh, NC	The problem with trading down in this year's Pope draft is that the top level of Pontiff candidates isn't viewed to be that great and groups down the list aren't really interested in trading into the top spot, putting the Vatican in a bit of a bind. Rumor has it they're negotiating with the San Diego archdiosise for their backup cardinal who was heir apparent to the archbishopship there until the incumbent decided in the last year to get his act together.

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21C College Prospect Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Newcastle, Australia	In case you were wondering . . . The odds on who will be the next pope: 4-1: Francis Arinze 6-1: Giacomo Biffi, Dionigi Tettamanzi 8-1: Dario Castrillon Hoyos, Christoph Schonborn 10-1: Giovanni Battista Re http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2540369.stm Dionigi Tettamanzi (Italy) 2.85/1 Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga 3.5/1 Francis Arinze (Nigeria) 4.7/1 Joseph Ratzinger (Germany) 7.6/1 Jean-Marie Lustiger (France) 10.5/1 Claudio Hummes (Brazil) 11 Count Christoph von Schoenborn (Austria) 24 Jorge Mario Bergoglio (Argentina) 27 Jaime Lucas Ortega y Alamino (Cuba) 29 Godfried Daneels (Belgium) 31 Cormac Murphy-O'Connor (Britain) 33 Giovanni Battista Re (Italy) 35 Angelo Sodano (Italy) 37 Crescenzio Sepe (Italy) 41 Giacomo Biffi (Italy) 41 Ennio Antonelli (Italy) 43 Dario Castrillion Hoyos (Colombia) 49 Bertone 54 Carlo Maria Martini (Italy) 54 George Pell (Australia) 54 Ivan Dias (India) 64 Juan Luis Cipriani (Italy) 74 http://sports.bestbetting.com/specia...-the-next-pope Bets, please!

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Mustang Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Wisconsin	From Wikipedia... 'The Pope's death is officially determined by the Cardinal Chamberlain by gently tapping the late Pope's head thrice with a silver hammer and calling his birth name three times. A doctor may or may not have already determined that the Pope had passed away. The Cardinal Chamberlain then retrieves the Fisherman's Ring. Usually the ring is on the Pope's right hand. But with Paul VI, he had stopped wearing the ring during the last years of his reign, and left it in his desk. In other cases the ring might have been removed for medical reasons. The Chamberlain cuts the ring in two in the presence of the Cardinals. The deceased Pope's seals are defaced, to keep the Pope's seal from ever being used again, and his personal apartment is sealed.' Tapping on his freakin' head with a hammer?? I'm not dead yet.. I'm feeling better... __________________ You, you will regret what you have done this day. I will make you regret ever being born. Your going to wish you never left your mothers womb, where it was warm and safe... and wet. i am going to show you pain you never knew existed, you are going to see a whole new spectrum of pain, like a Rainboooow. But! This rainbow is not just like any other rainbow, its...

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