Best College Player whose talent never translated into the Pro's - Page 2

KevinNU7 · 09-02-2003, 04:32 PM

Charlie Ward

digamma · 09-02-2003, 04:33 PM

I haven't seen Tommie Frazier mentioned yet. His performance against Florida in the 1996 Fiesta Bowl (1995 season) is probably the best game I've seen played by an individual.

Bonegavel · 09-02-2003, 04:33 PM

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Originally posted by Bee
Where did you play?

I played a year at WV Tech (very small school) and then transferred to WVU and played 2 seasons. I was too good for Tech and not good enough for WVU.

I played for 2 years at UVA (battle of the virginia's) from 88-90. I was good enough, but drank too much and had little discipline. When your GPA hits 1.9, the dean doesn't appreciate that too much. I finally got my ass back to school and graduated with a 3.87 in Information Systems. Paying for school yourself makes you appreciate it a bit more.

tucker342 · 09-02-2003, 04:58 PM

Ryan Leaf was the first one that came to mind for me

Hawglaw · 09-02-2003, 05:04 PM

How about Blair Thomas? He was a pretty big bust as well as Vaughn Dunbar...

MrBug708 · 09-02-2003, 05:43 PM

Heupel was an above average QB

Kris Farris was a bust. Most outlander trophy winners don't get cut. But he had injury problems

MrBug708 · 09-02-2003, 05:44 PM

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Originally posted by digamma
I haven't seen Tommie Frazier mentioned yet. His performance against Florida in the 1996 Fiesta Bowl (1995 season) is probably the best game I've seen played by an individual.

Digamma, that was an awesome game, but he had a medical crisis (blood clot) in his leg I believe that made it too painful to play.

G-Man · 09-02-2003, 05:45 PM

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Originally posted by GrantDawg
*insert Penn State Running back here*

Do the names Franco Harris and Lydell Mitchell mean anything to you?

digamma · 09-02-2003, 05:59 PM

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Originally posted by MrBug708
Digamma, that was an awesome game, but he had a medical crisis (blood clot) in his leg I believe that made it too painful to play.

I guess I had forgotten that. Really too bad. It would have been interesting to see if he could make the transition from option qb who can throw well to NFL quarterback. I think he had more size and speed than others in this mold, but guys like Charlie Ward and Joe Hamilton never really got a look. You can maybe throw Crouch into that bunch as well.

GrantDawg · 09-02-2003, 06:08 PM

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Originally posted by G-Man
Do the names Franco Harris and Lydell Mitchell mean anything to you?

Nope. They play this century?

Leonidas · 09-02-2003, 08:21 PM

Ron Powlus, Rick Mirer

Speaking of Reggie Rembert, that bastard beat me out for the final spot in the state high jump finals my junior year. I finished 5th, he was 4th, only 4 went. We tied on heighth, he had one less miss.

Craptacular · 09-02-2003, 09:29 PM

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Originally posted by thirdandlong
Tony Mandarich has to get my vote. He was surrounded by SO much hype. Everyone who watched sport center saw clip after clip of this guy making spectacular blocks, sometimes two or three pancake type blocks on the same play. He was supposed to be Superman. He was supposed to protect Brett Favre's backside for the next 10 years. Instead the only package he was good enough to play in was the Packers "Double Jumbo" formation. Double Jumbo was a 4TE set.

Agreed, except for the part about protecting Favre's backside. Favre was starting his junior year of college when Tony was drafted.

The_herd · 09-02-2003, 09:31 PM

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Originally posted by Craptacular
Agreed, except for the part about protecting Favre's backside. Favre was starting his junior year of college when Tony was drafted.

That was gonna be Don Majikowski's (no clue how to spell it) backside.

Tasan · 09-02-2003, 09:54 PM

How much hype would Charlie Ward get these days after all the Vick madness? I bet he's be at least a first day pick, if not a first round pick.

mtolson · 09-02-2003, 10:10 PM

I'll stick to backs:

Amp Lee
Dexter Carter
Greg Hill
Errict Rhett
Ethan Horton
Lorenzo Hampton
Reggie Dupard
Paul Palmer
D.J. Dozier

Gotta add my most hyped but flopped of all time:

Todd Marinovich
Dan McGuire

mtolson · 09-02-2003, 10:20 PM

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Originally posted by G-Man
Do the names Franco Harris and Lydell Mitchell mean anything to you?

Granted, they were great (may even add Gary Brown to the list) but Penn State RB flops were real big flops:

D.J. "I think I wanna play baseball" Dozier
Blair Thomas
Ki-Jana Carter
Curt Enis

The same could probably said for Florida State and Florida as well though.

Noble_Platypus · 09-02-2003, 11:33 PM

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Originally posted by Butter_of_69
I was thinking that for Tony Mandarich.

How about Steve "knee blowout" Emtman?

I dont think its fair to include someone who got hurt like Emtman. I saw him play as a rookie and he was an animal until he blew out his knee. Its not like he sucked just beacuse he couldnt make the transition like many of the players listed here.

General Mike · 09-03-2003, 12:20 AM

Curtis Enis gets my vote.

And as far as Florida/ Florida State backs go, while they might not have had the success levels of RBs from Georgia or USC, They've had some top pro RBs in Emmitt Smith, Fred Taylor, and Warrick Dunn plus Edgar Bennett had a few good years before injuries took their toll on him. Marion Butts had some good years between the Chargers and the Jaguars.

Right now, in general, if I had to choose between a Big 10 and an SEC running back, I'm gonna go with the SEC back every day of the week.

The_herd · 09-03-2003, 12:36 AM

Alonzo Highsmith is another, was supposed to be one of the best running backs to ever come out of highschool but didn't live up to the hype after leaving Miami. It was partially due to knee injuries, but he didn't look like a #3 pick before they became an issue.

AnalBumCover · 09-03-2003, 12:37 AM

The entire team from 1995 Men's Bastketball Champion UCLA Bruins.

Oh wait... we're only talking football right now...

3ric · 09-03-2003, 01:42 AM

Mike Rozier? Another Heisman winner.

MrBug708 · 09-03-2003, 02:13 AM

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Originally posted by AnalBumCover
The entire team from 1995 Men's Bastketball Champion UCLA Bruins.

Oh wait... we're only talking football right now...

Ouch. Well Ed O'Bannon would have made a good SF< but everyone wanted to use him as a SG

IMetTrentGreen · 09-03-2003, 11:37 AM

carson palmer

thirdandlong · 09-03-2003, 12:16 PM

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Originally posted by Craptacular
Agreed, except for the part about protecting Favre's backside. Favre was starting his junior year of college when Tony was drafted.

Damn I was gonna check that out, but I really figured that Favre had to be there back then. Guess I missed by a few years. Either that or Mandarich was drafter farther back than I thought. I am getting old.

clintl · 09-03-2003, 01:10 PM

No votes for Marc Wilson? That guy threw perfect passes to the players wearing the other jersey more often than he threw to his own receivers. Or at least it seemed that way.

Craptacular · 09-04-2003, 12:12 AM

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Originally posted by thirdandlong
Damn I was gonna check that out, but I really figured that Favre had to be there back then. Guess I missed by a few years. Either that or Mandarich was drafter farther back than I thought. I am getting old.

I always *love* to think about the 1989 draft:
#1 - Troy Aikman
#2 - Tony Mandarich
#3 - Barry Sanders
#4 - Derrick Thomas
#5 - Deion Sanders

Ouch!

Leonidas · 09-04-2003, 03:36 PM

I just realized no one has proposed The Triumverate of Heisman QB Flops: Andre Ware, Gino Torretta, and Danny Weurfel. Throw in Eric Crouch and you have a foursome, but no one really expected him to make it anyway so I'm not sure if he counts.

Ragone · 09-04-2003, 03:58 PM

Ah weird that these players weren't mentioned

Rashaan Salaam!
Trev Alberts
Charles Johnson
Yatil "My acl is made of Crepe Paper" Green

Senator · 09-04-2003, 04:26 PM

Good call on Trev Alberts. He was supposed to be the next Dick Butkus.

G-Man · 09-04-2003, 05:25 PM

Does anyone remember Gary Beban?

G-Man · 09-04-2003, 05:31 PM

Or Pat Sullivan?

Bonegavel · 09-04-2003, 05:33 PM

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Originally posted by Leonidas
I just realized no one has proposed The Triumverate of Heisman QB Flops: Andre Ware, Gino Torretta, and Danny Weurfel. Throw in Eric Crouch and you have a foursome, but no one really expected him to make it anyway so I'm not sure if he counts.

I believe all but Gino was mentioned already.

dawgfan · 09-04-2003, 07:13 PM

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Originally posted by G-Man
Does anyone remember Gary Beban?

Heh, or Terry Baker?

Pumpy Tudors · 09-04-2003, 11:15 PM

I'm going to go with Troy Davis, only because he hasn't been mentioned yet. He happens to be tearing up the CFL right now, though.

Imagine that the Saints briefly had one year's Heisman winner AND Heisman runner-up at the same time. Of course, those players were Wuerffel and Davis.

Leonidas · 09-05-2003, 03:10 PM

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Originally posted by Ragone
Ah weird that these players weren't mentioned

Rashaan Salaam!
Trev Alberts
Charles Johnson
Yatil "My acl is made of Crepe Paper" Green

I suppose Trev Alberts the broadcaster has really solidified his role as a bust.

timmynausea · 09-05-2003, 04:06 PM

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Originally posted by Leonidas
I suppose Trev Alberts the broadcaster has really solidified his role as a bust.

He's actually been more of a bust as a broadcaster. He's looking more and more like the next Lee Corso without even the periodic unintentional humor. It's a damn shame..... That he's on tv and I have to listen to him talk, I mean.

SarasotaHusker · 09-07-2003, 02:04 AM

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Originally posted by timmynausea
He's actually been more of a bust as a broadcaster. He's looking more and more like the next Lee Corso without even the periodic unintentional humor. It's a damn shame..... That he's on tv and I have to listen to him talk, I mean.

Wrong. Trev is pretty solid on ESPN. He gets dragged down by the know-nothing clown Mark May, who can't put together a coherent thought to save his life, and instead spends all of his air-time disagreeing with whatever Trev Alberts says.

If Trev said, "Mark, you were a solid offensive lineman in the NFL," May would respond, "you're wrong Trev--I sucked." That's his entire repertoire: disagree with whatever Trev Alberts says.

General Mike · 09-07-2003, 02:21 AM

Marco Battaglia, TE, Rutgers

Pumpy Tudors · 09-07-2003, 11:08 AM

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Originally posted by General Mike
Marco Battaglia, TE, Rutgers

Good call on that one. Nice catch, General Mike!

ISiddiqui · 09-07-2003, 02:34 PM

Doug Flutie (I'll limit the original question to a player whose talent never translated into the NFL), who may also have been victimized by unfair expectations of what a QB was supposed to be.

larrymcg421 · 09-07-2003, 06:24 PM

I haven't seen anyone mention Sammie Smith yet.

09-02-2003, 08:21 PM	#61
Leonidas College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: East Anglia	Ron Powlus, Rick Mirer Speaking of Reggie Rembert, that bastard beat me out for the final spot in the state high jump finals my junior year. I finished 5th, he was 4th, only 4 went. We tied on heighth, he had one less miss. __________________ Molon labe

09-02-2003, 09:54 PM	#64
Tasan College Starter Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Houston, or there about	How much hype would Charlie Ward get these days after all the Vick madness? I bet he's be at least a first day pick, if not a first round pick. __________________ 2011 Golden Scribes winner for best Interactive Dynasty

09-03-2003, 12:20 AM	#68
General Mike Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The State of Rutgers	Curtis Enis gets my vote. And as far as Florida/ Florida State backs go, while they might not have had the success levels of RBs from Georgia or USC, They've had some top pro RBs in Emmitt Smith, Fred Taylor, and Warrick Dunn plus Edgar Bennett had a few good years before injuries took their toll on him. Marion Butts had some good years between the Chargers and the Jaguars. Right now, in general, if I had to choose between a Big 10 and an SEC running back, I'm gonna go with the SEC back every day of the week. __________________ Boise Stampede Continental Football League Jacksonville Jaguars GM North American Football League Nebraska Coach FOFC-BBCF Rutgers & Washington coach Bowl Bound-BBCF

09-03-2003, 12:36 AM	#69
The_herd College Starter Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Fort Lackland, Texas (San Antonio)	Alonzo Highsmith is another, was supposed to be one of the best running backs to ever come out of highschool but didn't live up to the hype after leaving Miami. It was partially due to knee injuries, but he didn't look like a #3 pick before they became an issue. __________________ Oakland Raiders: HFL's 1970 AC West Champs

09-03-2003, 12:37 AM	#70
AnalBumCover College Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: La Mirada, CA	The entire team from 1995 Men's Bastketball Champion UCLA Bruins. Oh wait... we're only talking football right now... __________________ ABC's Game Giveaway list

09-02-2003, 04:33 PM	#52
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	I haven't seen Tommie Frazier mentioned yet. His performance against Florida in the 1996 Fiesta Bowl (1995 season) is probably the best game I've seen played by an individual.

09-02-2003, 04:58 PM	#54
tucker342 Pro Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Iowa City, IA	Ryan Leaf was the first one that came to mind for me

09-02-2003, 05:04 PM	#55
Hawglaw H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Suburban St. Louis	How about Blair Thomas? He was a pretty big bust as well as Vaughn Dunbar...

09-02-2003, 05:43 PM	#56
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Heupel was an above average QB Kris Farris was a bust. Most outlander trophy winners don't get cut. But he had injury problems

09-02-2003, 10:10 PM	#65
mtolson H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Bowie, MD	I'll stick to backs: Amp Lee Dexter Carter Greg Hill Errict Rhett Ethan Horton Lorenzo Hampton Reggie Dupard Paul Palmer D.J. Dozier Gotta add my most hyped but flopped of all time: Todd Marinovich Dan McGuire

09-03-2003, 01:42 AM	#71
3ric College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Sweden	Mike Rozier? Another Heisman winner. __________________ San Diego Chargers (HFL) - Lappland Reindeers (WOOF) - Gothenburg Giants (IHOF) Indiana: A TCY VC - year 2044 - the longest running dynasty ever on FOFC!

09-03-2003, 11:37 AM	#73
IMetTrentGreen College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Austin, Texas	carson palmer

09-03-2003, 01:10 PM	#75
clintl College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Davis, CA	No votes for Marc Wilson? That guy threw perfect passes to the players wearing the other jersey more often than he threw to his own receivers. Or at least it seemed that way.

09-04-2003, 03:36 PM	#77
Leonidas College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: East Anglia	I just realized no one has proposed The Triumverate of Heisman QB Flops: Andre Ware, Gino Torretta, and Danny Weurfel. Throw in Eric Crouch and you have a foursome, but no one really expected him to make it anyway so I'm not sure if he counts. __________________ Molon labe

09-04-2003, 03:58 PM	#78
Ragone Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, Mo	Ah weird that these players weren't mentioned Rashaan Salaam! Trev Alberts Charles Johnson Yatil "My acl is made of Crepe Paper" Green

09-04-2003, 04:26 PM	#79
Senator FOFC's Elected Representative Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The stars at night; are big and bright	Good call on Trev Alberts. He was supposed to be the next Dick Butkus. __________________ "i have seen chris simms play 4-5 times in the pros and he's very clearly got it. he won't make a pro bowl this year, but it'll come. if you don't like me saying that, so be it, but its true. we'll just have to wait until then" imettrentgreen "looking at only ten games, and oddly using a median only, leaves me unmoved generally" - Quiksand

09-04-2003, 05:25 PM	#80
G-Man High School JV Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Seattle, Washington	Does anyone remember Gary Beban? __________________ Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen"

09-04-2003, 05:31 PM	#81
G-Man High School JV Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Seattle, Washington	Or Pat Sullivan? __________________ Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen"

09-04-2003, 11:15 PM	#84
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	I'm going to go with Troy Davis, only because he hasn't been mentioned yet. He happens to be tearing up the CFL right now, though. Imagine that the Saints briefly had one year's Heisman winner AND Heisman runner-up at the same time. Of course, those players were Wuerffel and Davis. __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor.

09-07-2003, 02:21 AM	#88
General Mike Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The State of Rutgers	damn Bungles... ruined his career Marco Battaglia, TE, Rutgers __________________ Boise Stampede Continental Football League Jacksonville Jaguars GM North American Football League Nebraska Coach FOFC-BBCF Rutgers & Washington coach Bowl Bound-BBCF

09-07-2003, 02:34 PM	#90
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Doug Flutie (I'll limit the original question to a player whose talent never translated into the NFL), who may also have been victimized by unfair expectations of what a QB was supposed to be. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

09-07-2003, 06:24 PM	#91
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	I haven't seen anyone mention Sammie Smith yet.

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