College Football Week 12 discussion - Page 2

DeToxRox · 11-21-2009, 10:48 AM

I will say this though, as a realist, Michigan will lose 38 - 21. The only way Michigan wins is if they keep their heads and make Pryor stay in the pocket. Once he gets out of it, with the way we tackle, we're done.

If Michigan loses their head though, this might be 56-10.

tarcone · 11-21-2009, 10:56 AM

DeToxRox · 11-21-2009, 11:10 AM

That ABC video package for the UM/OSU game was amazing. Sure the buzz isn't there for this game but wow that got me fired up.

tarcone · 11-21-2009, 11:13 AM

Orange Bowl sniffing around Iowa. 48,000 fans went to the game in 2002. 40,000 got in to the game. The rest couldnt.

I was at that game and it was Kinnick stadium south. It was amazing.

DeToxRox · 11-21-2009, 11:18 AM

That's about what I expected after that punt. It'll be nice when Tate learns to hold on to the ball once in a while.

Big Fo · 11-21-2009, 11:19 AM

That was awful from Forcier.

RendeR · 11-21-2009, 11:25 AM

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Fuck Ohio State. That is all.

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Poetic. I approve.

Its better to be bitter than realistic I suppose

If The Offense for Mi-Shit-gan doesn't get their act together this could be over by halftime. Granted it SHOULD be over by halftime, if not sooner, but I feel like being nice this year

clemsonfan · 11-21-2009, 11:26 AM

Go North Carolina! Woo hoo! 21-0 with 5 minutes left in the first quarter!

RendeR · 11-21-2009, 11:27 AM

Good god that was a terrible throw. I am not a Pryor fan.

RendeR · 11-21-2009, 11:31 AM

Looks like they heard me =)

RendeR · 11-21-2009, 11:35 AM

Why do Michigan's kicker's always suck?

DeToxRox · 11-21-2009, 11:36 AM

Michigan has already gift wrapped this game to OSU as if they needed the help.

JPhillips · 11-21-2009, 11:38 AM

The OSU throwbacks look great. Love the helmets.

RendeR · 11-21-2009, 11:43 AM

Really? I was just thinking how nauseating I found them...I hate numbers on the sides of a helmet.

cmp · 11-21-2009, 11:58 AM

Michigan needs to finish these drives, the defense has been better than expected thus far.

Swaggs · 11-21-2009, 11:58 AM

I can't believe how many OSU fans appear to be in the Big House.

DeToxRox · 11-21-2009, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

I can't believe how many OSU fans appear to be in the Big House.

There's always a strong contingent, but this year a lot of people sold their tickets off, and OSU fans gobbled them up.

It sucks but it is what it is.

Matthean · 11-21-2009, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

There's always a strong contingent, but this year a lot of people sold their tickets off, and OSU fans gobbled them up.

It sucks but it is what it is.

It's really hard to find ways to think of how Michigan would pull out a victory today. I'm not surprised some Michigan fans bailed on this game.

DeToxRox · 11-21-2009, 12:11 PM

I think the dam is going to burst. The Michigan D is going to be getting gassed and emotion only gets you so far.

UM has only 68 of a possible 85 scholarship players, and there's more of them on O then D.

cmp · 11-21-2009, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

I think the dam is going to burst. The Michigan D is going to be getting gassed and emotion only gets you so far.

UM has only 68 of a possible 85 scholarship players, and there's more of them on O then D.

Yup, that's exactly why the offense needed to take advantage early and they couldn't finish off those drives.

Matthean · 11-21-2009, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

I think the dam is going to burst. The Michigan D is going to be getting gassed and emotion only gets you so far.

UM has only 68 of a possible 85 scholarship players, and there's more of them on O then D.

Does Michigan have that many players hurt, or is there something I'm missing? How does Michigan have 17 scholarships just laying around?

DeToxRox · 11-21-2009, 12:15 PM

It's almost do or die time for the offense. We get the ball to start the second half, but we need to get points now and build back some momentum.

cmp · 11-21-2009, 12:15 PM

Helmet to helmet anyone?

DeToxRox · 11-21-2009, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

Does Michigan have that many players hurt, or is there something I'm missing? How does Michigan have 17 scholarships just laying around?

All the attrition from the past two years finally caught up. Classes that could have been bigger weren't, such as 09, rather then take a few more kids and over sign they pocketed the schollies, but then some kids left and all that.

DeToxRox · 11-21-2009, 12:20 PM

Dola on D Michigan has, by my count, 26 scholarship players. Of those 26, I believe 4 are red shirting, and 3 more are true freshman.

DeToxRox · 11-21-2009, 12:24 PM

One other note on the D: Michigan has not played Nickle once all season because we don't have enough secondary players who can actually play to do it.

DeToxRox · 11-21-2009, 12:26 PM

Fuck it, I'll quad dola:

The D problems are on RichRod but also on Carr. His recruiting was not what it could have been the last few years. It's been a pretty reported fact he didn't do much to go out and find players, instead going only after kids he knew would commit because it's Michigan. There are tons of kids who could be here if the UM staff made a more concerted effort. It's why we're at where we're at with the current LB's and DB's we have.

Noop · 11-21-2009, 12:31 PM

14-13 Florida State

After Florida State's freshman QB gifts Maryland a touchdown.

larrymcg421 · 11-21-2009, 12:41 PM

I'm about done with Randy Shannon. I like what he's done in turning around the reputation of the program, but I'm convinced that he's just not a very good head coach. He was severely outcoached in the NC and Clemson games. He's getting outcoached today. Even some of the wins have come due to the Canes talent overriding his shitty coaching (see the awful pooch kick decision against FSU) or by luck (Wake Forest muffing a punt deep in their own territory).

Swaggs · 11-21-2009, 12:42 PM

Duke is beating Miami at halftime.

Swaggs · 11-21-2009, 12:43 PM

heh... Larry beat me by a minute.

DeToxRox · 11-21-2009, 12:57 PM

Michigan needed anything but a 3 and out on that drive to have a chance. It's going to take the D nutting up for the first time in the third quarter in a long time.

DeToxRox · 11-21-2009, 12:57 PM

Okay, well that INT helps but means nothing if we don't get points.

DeToxRox · 11-21-2009, 01:02 PM

There ya go. Vincent Smith is a kid I absolutely love. He is going to be the #1 RB next year, size be damned, he's just relentless.

Love the Muck.

cmp · 11-21-2009, 01:05 PM

Please defense step up again here.

DeToxRox · 11-21-2009, 01:10 PM

Let's hope this doesn't turn into Wisconsin redeux, where they just ran and ran and ran and we just got gashed. It's looking like it so far this drive.

DeToxRox · 11-21-2009, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Let's hope this doesn't turn into Wisconsin redeux, where they just ran and ran and ran and we just got gashed. It's looking like it so far this drive.

Welp, it sure is looking more and more like this is going to be entirely possible.

cmp · 11-21-2009, 01:12 PM

Where the hell is the holding call?

cmp · 11-21-2009, 01:12 PM

Well at least we have Brandon Graham.

DeToxRox · 11-21-2009, 01:15 PM

That is the dagger. This team hasn't showed much resiliency all year and just when it looked like the big stop was coming that happened. Great play call for OSU and great execution no doubt, but it seemed obvious based on the other 11 games so far.

rowech · 11-21-2009, 01:22 PM

For as bad of a football man Millen proved to be, he is really a fantastic announcer.

DeToxRox · 11-21-2009, 01:44 PM

Hate the fact Denard had consecutive plays there. I know he has game breaking speed but he is just going to run it without making an attempt to throw the ball and everyone knows it. Sprinkling him in every few series is fine for a play but don't give him multiple in a row unless you have faith him to throw it.

Atocep · 11-21-2009, 01:50 PM

Did forcier really just throw that ball?

DeToxRox · 11-21-2009, 01:51 PM

Just awful by Tate, but that's a true freshman for you. I would have to check but he is coming up close on having more turnovers then our QB's did last year. I know he and Robinson combined have for sure exceeded it.

DeToxRox · 11-21-2009, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

Did forcier really just throw that ball?

It's a common part of the lexicon now.

cmp · 11-21-2009, 01:52 PM

What the hell? Very generous spot.

cmp · 11-21-2009, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

Did forcier really just throw that ball?

Michigan fans have come to expect that from Tate.

cmp · 11-21-2009, 01:53 PM

Damn, I am sure going to miss Brandom Graham.

larrymcg421 · 11-21-2009, 01:58 PM

Oooooof...

cmp · 11-21-2009, 01:58 PM

Can we put Devin Gardner in?

11-21-2009, 11:13 AM	#54
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	Orange Bowl sniffing around Iowa. 48,000 fans went to the game in 2002. 40,000 got in to the game. The rest couldnt. I was at that game and it was Kinnick stadium south. It was amazing. Last edited by tarcone : 11-21-2009 at 11:18 AM.

11-21-2009, 11:27 AM	#59
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Good god that was a terrible throw. I am not a Pryor fan. __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

11-21-2009, 11:31 AM	#60
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Looks like they heard me =) __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

11-21-2009, 11:35 AM	#61
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Why do Michigan's kicker's always suck? __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

11-21-2009, 11:38 AM	#63
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	The OSU throwbacks look great. Love the helmets. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

11-21-2009, 10:56 AM	#52
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific

11-21-2009, 11:10 AM	#53
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	That ABC video package for the UM/OSU game was amazing. Sure the buzz isn't there for this game but wow that got me fired up.

11-21-2009, 11:18 AM	#55
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	That's about what I expected after that punt. It'll be nice when Tate learns to hold on to the ball once in a while.

11-21-2009, 11:19 AM	#56
Big Fo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2005	That was awful from Forcier.

11-21-2009, 11:26 AM	#58
clemsonfan High School JV Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Dayton, OH	Go North Carolina! Woo hoo! 21-0 with 5 minutes left in the first quarter!

11-21-2009, 11:36 AM	#62
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Michigan has already gift wrapped this game to OSU as if they needed the help.

11-21-2009, 11:43 AM	#64
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Really? I was just thinking how nauseating I found them...I hate numbers on the sides of a helmet. __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

11-21-2009, 11:58 AM	#65
cmp Pro Rookie Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Grand Rapids, MI	Michigan needs to finish these drives, the defense has been better than expected thus far.

11-21-2009, 11:58 AM	#66
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I can't believe how many OSU fans appear to be in the Big House. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

11-21-2009, 12:11 PM	#69
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	I think the dam is going to burst. The Michigan D is going to be getting gassed and emotion only gets you so far. UM has only 68 of a possible 85 scholarship players, and there's more of them on O then D.

11-21-2009, 12:15 PM	#72
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	It's almost do or die time for the offense. We get the ball to start the second half, but we need to get points now and build back some momentum.

11-21-2009, 12:20 PM	#75
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Dola on D Michigan has, by my count, 26 scholarship players. Of those 26, I believe 4 are red shirting, and 3 more are true freshman.

11-21-2009, 12:24 PM	#76
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	One other note on the D: Michigan has not played Nickle once all season because we don't have enough secondary players who can actually play to do it.

11-21-2009, 12:26 PM	#77
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Fuck it, I'll quad dola: The D problems are on RichRod but also on Carr. His recruiting was not what it could have been the last few years. It's been a pretty reported fact he didn't do much to go out and find players, instead going only after kids he knew would commit because it's Michigan. There are tons of kids who could be here if the UM staff made a more concerted effort. It's why we're at where we're at with the current LB's and DB's we have.

11-21-2009, 12:31 PM	#78
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Miami	14-13 Florida State After Florida State's freshman QB gifts Maryland a touchdown. __________________ Subby's favorite woman hater.

11-21-2009, 12:41 PM	#79
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	I'm about done with Randy Shannon. I like what he's done in turning around the reputation of the program, but I'm convinced that he's just not a very good head coach. He was severely outcoached in the NC and Clemson games. He's getting outcoached today. Even some of the wins have come due to the Canes talent overriding his shitty coaching (see the awful pooch kick decision against FSU) or by luck (Wake Forest muffing a punt deep in their own territory). __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner

11-21-2009, 12:42 PM	#80
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Duke is beating Miami at halftime. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

11-21-2009, 12:43 PM	#81
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	heh... Larry beat me by a minute. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

11-21-2009, 12:57 PM	#82
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Michigan needed anything but a 3 and out on that drive to have a chance. It's going to take the D nutting up for the first time in the third quarter in a long time.

11-21-2009, 01:02 PM	#84
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	There ya go. Vincent Smith is a kid I absolutely love. He is going to be the #1 RB next year, size be damned, he's just relentless. Love the Muck.

11-21-2009, 01:05 PM	#85
cmp Pro Rookie Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Grand Rapids, MI	Please defense step up again here.

11-21-2009, 01:10 PM	#86
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Let's hope this doesn't turn into Wisconsin redeux, where they just ran and ran and ran and we just got gashed. It's looking like it so far this drive.

11-21-2009, 01:12 PM	#88
cmp Pro Rookie Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Grand Rapids, MI	Where the hell is the holding call?

11-21-2009, 01:15 PM	#90
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	That is the dagger. This team hasn't showed much resiliency all year and just when it looked like the big stop was coming that happened. Great play call for OSU and great execution no doubt, but it seemed obvious based on the other 11 games so far.

11-21-2009, 01:22 PM	#91
rowech Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2006	For as bad of a football man Millen proved to be, he is really a fantastic announcer. Last edited by rowech : 11-21-2009 at 01:31 PM.

11-21-2009, 01:44 PM	#92
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Hate the fact Denard had consecutive plays there. I know he has game breaking speed but he is just going to run it without making an attempt to throw the ball and everyone knows it. Sprinkling him in every few series is fine for a play but don't give him multiple in a row unless you have faith him to throw it.

11-21-2009, 01:50 PM	#93
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	Did forcier really just throw that ball?

11-21-2009, 01:51 PM	#94
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Just awful by Tate, but that's a true freshman for you. I would have to check but he is coming up close on having more turnovers then our QB's did last year. I know he and Robinson combined have for sure exceeded it.

11-21-2009, 01:52 PM	#96
cmp Pro Rookie Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Grand Rapids, MI	What the hell? Very generous spot.

11-21-2009, 01:53 PM	#98
cmp Pro Rookie Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Grand Rapids, MI	Damn, I am sure going to miss Brandom Graham.