NFL Week 15 - Pacman's career over? - Page 2

EagleFan · 12-12-2008, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

lol

was there ever a doubt that the TO show would be rolling into Dallas at some point.

He is so dysfunctional, I love it.

I have this image of Romo and Whitten underneath the covers in there hotel room with a flashlight drawing up plays.

You have visions of Romo and Whitten under the covers in their hotel room often?

Lathum · 12-12-2008, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

*shrug*

At least he isn't going to jail for shooting himself in the leg.

what a gay reply.

And at least Plax can't destroy the chemistry of the team from jail.

JeeberD · 12-12-2008, 12:32 AM

Yeah, because the last week's loss had nothing to do with Plax not being there. OK.

I would have a little internal discord than a huge court case hanging over the team. And honestly, I don't think this is as big a deal as everyone is making it out to be. I can totally see Romo laughing it off...

Lathum · 12-12-2008, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

And honestly, I don't think this is as big a deal as everyone is making it out to be. I can totally see Romo laughing it off...

You're delusional then.

But if you want your answer to everything to be " at least he didn't shoot himself in the leg" then so be it.

IMO it's a week reply. TO is a guy who has wrecked yet another team, read the quotes from the unnamed players. It's a big deal.

Lathum · 12-12-2008, 12:50 AM

dola- While obviously losing Plax hurts on field, but it certainly isn't going to drive the players on the team apart.

RedKingGold · 12-12-2008, 06:59 AM

Guys, guys.

The Eagles are better than BOTH the Giants and Cowboys.

johnnyshaka · 12-12-2008, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Guys, guys.

The Eagles are better than BOTH the Giants and Cowboys.

QFT

Eaglesfan27 · 12-12-2008, 10:03 AM

I found this humorous:

Jerry Jones Probably Thinking About Signing Michael Vick | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

Dr. Sak · 12-12-2008, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

dola- While obviously losing Plax hurts on field, but it certainly isn't going to drive the players on the team apart.

Right they stuck together to try and help Plex cover that shit up! That's team unity baby!

MikeVic · 12-12-2008, 10:11 AM

Didn't Lathum say something about not needing Plaxico, and how Hixon will take his place or something? I could've sworn something at least close to that was said.

I like both TO and Plaxico. But if TO blows up this Cowboys team, and now that Plaxico is going to jail... then I don't like them near as much anymore.

Radii · 12-12-2008, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

You're delusional then.

But if you want your answer to everything to be " at least he didn't shoot himself in the leg" then so be it.

IMO it's a week reply. TO is a guy who has wrecked yet another team, read the quotes from the unnamed players. It's a big deal.

If Jeeber's reply bothers you, you may want to watch this weekend's Dallas/New York game with the sound off. Surely comparisons are going to be made repeatedly throughout the entire game. Pregame and postgame too.

Dr. Sak · 12-12-2008, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Radii

If Jeeber's reply bothers you, you may want to watch this weekend's Dallas/New York game with the sound off. Surely comparisons are going to be made repeatedly throughout the entire game. Pregame and postgame too.

If that isn't enough to make you turn the sound off...I am sure Joe Buck is doing the game...fuckin douchebag that he is...

Radii · 12-12-2008, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

If that isn't enough to make you turn the sound off...I am sure Joe Buck is doing the game...fuckin douchebag that he is...

nah, its sunday night. MADDEN.

If only it were Monday, Kornheiser would bring them up 400-500 times easily over the course of 3 hours.

sabotai · 12-12-2008, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Radii

nah, its sunday night. MADDEN.

In that case, there might not be enough time to talk about TO and Plax comparisons since Madden needs that time to talk about the practice sled and how 1st downs work.

Lathum · 12-12-2008, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Radii

If Jeeber's reply bothers you, you may want to watch this weekend's Dallas/New York game with the sound off. Surely comparisons are going to be made repeatedly throughout the entire game. Pregame and postgame too.

your probably correct, my comment was more that if he doesnt think it is a big deal he is crazy.

SFL Cat · 12-12-2008, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I found this humorous:

Jerry Jones Probably Thinking About Signing Michael Vick | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

*sigh* I think Jones had his skin pulled too tight during one of his face jobs. Somehow it's cutting off oxygen to his brain.

dola edit - Ah, the Onion...big sigh of relief.

EagleFan · 12-12-2008, 05:54 PM

Wow, this one is GOLD from last season, PURE GOLD!!! And so prophetic.

http://www.theonion.com/content/news...ons_not_buying

MIJB#19 · 12-13-2008, 10:44 AM

Those familiar with me through various FOF leagues, usually I get a kick out of figuring out playoff scenarios going into a round of games. I figured I could try and do that at FOFC for the NFL games as well. Here are the NFL week 15 clinch scenarios (after the Chicago-New Orleans game):

On the AFC side
1st Tennessee Titans
* clinched division and bye week
* clinch home field advantage with a win + Pittsburgh loss/tie, or a tie + Pittsburgh loss

2nd Pittsburgh Steelers
* clinch division with a win

3rd Denver Broncos
* clinch division with a win or tie or a San Diego loss or tie

5th Indianapolis Colts
* clinch wild card with win + NY Jets loss or tie + New England loss or tie + Miami loss or tie

Also alive in the AFC:
4th New York Jets
6th Baltimore Ravens
7th New England Patriots
8th Miami Dolphins
9th Buffalo Bills
11th San Diego Chargers

On the NFC side

1st New York Giants
* clinched division
* clinch bye week with win or tie or Minnesota loss or tie
* cannot clinch home field advantage due to week 16 game vs Carolina

2nd Carolina Panthers
* clinch wild card with win + Atlanta or Dallas loss or tie, with tie + two from Atlanta loss, Dallas loss and Philadelphia loss or tie

4th Arizona Cardinals
* clinched division

Also alive in the NFC:
3rd Minnesota Vikings
5th Tampa Bay Buccaneers
6th Dallas Cowboys
7th Atlanta Falcons
8th Philadelphia Eagles
9th Chicago Bears
10th Washington Redskins
11th New Orleans Saints
12th Green Bay Packers

EagleFan · 12-13-2008, 11:33 AM

What's this loss or tie stuff? There can't be ties in the NFL...

cartman · 12-13-2008, 11:36 AM

Glad to see that the Minnesota Miners are still alive for a playoff spot!

MIJB#19 · 12-13-2008, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

Glad to see that the Minnesota Miners are still alive for a playoff spot!

what? where?

Suburban Rhythm · 12-13-2008, 03:16 PM

What happened to "that's my teammate...that's my quarterback"?

EagleFan · 12-13-2008, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

What happened to "that's my teammate...that's my quarterback"?

As any QB who has played with him can tell you, you are only TO's QB and teammate when you throw to him and only him.

Maybe TO needs to go clubbing with Plaxico...

miami_fan · 12-13-2008, 04:13 PM

Come on Tony, throw the ball exclusively to Witten, R. Williams, and PAtrick Crayton.

Suburban Rhythm · 12-13-2008, 08:56 PM

ESPN - Source: Terrell Owens, Jason Witten have verbal confrontation

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While the Dallas Cowboys were trying to downplay a possible rift between Terrell Owens and Jason Witten, the two nearly came to blows on Friday, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram first reported Saturday.
ESPN's Chris Mortensen, according to team sources, confirmed an incident occurred at the Cowboys training facility when Witten tried to engage Owens in a conversation about a pass route. Owens told Witten to stay away from him and called him a name. The two exchanged words before being separated.

Wonder if it was poophead?

Eaglesfan27 · 12-13-2008, 08:59 PM

It's amazing how good T.O is at tearing apart lockers. Defensive guys are supporting him per reports, despite the fact that he has been the problem for multiple teams.

miami_fan · 12-14-2008, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

It's amazing how good T.O is at tearing apart lockers. Defensive guys are supporting him per reports, despite the fact that he has been the problem for multiple teams.

Didn't all the defensive guys support him in Philly also?

Eaglesfan27 · 12-14-2008, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

Didn't all the defensive guys support him in Philly also?

I don't know about all but many did. He appears to be a skilled manipulator of people around him.

larrymcg421 · 12-14-2008, 12:28 PM

That TD pass from Pennington to Williams was sweeeeet!

I say MVP Chad Pennington!

Thomkal · 12-14-2008, 12:29 PM

Thigpen again looks good on the opening drive for the Chiefs. Drives the team down the field and then on a instant replay reversal gets a TD.

DaddyTorgo · 12-14-2008, 12:46 PM

*cough* matt ryan!

Thomkal · 12-14-2008, 12:53 PM

Cincy up 17-0 over Washington. Redskins look to be falling completely apart now

kingfc22 · 12-14-2008, 01:08 PM

Umpire just through a huge block knocking out 2 Miami defenders to allow Shaun Hill to pick up a big gain on the ground.

Thomkal · 12-14-2008, 01:15 PM

Thigpen bounces back from an INT and gets his first TD on the day. Larry Johnson threw (yes Larry Johnson) the other score

larrymcg421 · 12-14-2008, 01:17 PM

Bye bye, Norv!

DeToxRox · 12-14-2008, 01:34 PM

Did someone get hurt in the KC game?

Game tracker has it at 1:18 left in the half for a long time.

Thomkal · 12-14-2008, 01:38 PM

Not at that time in the game DeTox that I am aware of (not watching that game, just following on a blog). Chiefs had an injury timeout earlier. I'm guessing timeouts at that point in the game

Jas_lov · 12-14-2008, 01:45 PM

I can't wait for the late games as there are some good ones today. The early games are atrocious. NY-Buffalo has been better than I thought, but the most entertaining thing I've seen so far is some Arab guy throwing his shoes at George W. Bush. The shoes did not have explosives in them, unfortunately.

MrDNA · 12-14-2008, 01:49 PM

My favorite NFL name this year: the Falcons Harry Douglas. In a game with names like Aqib Talib and Sabby Piscitelli it's nice to hear such a bland, normal-sounding name.

Jas_lov · 12-14-2008, 01:50 PM

The Jets are moving the ball well with the running game until Favre launches a ball up for grabs into double coverage. He is single handidly keeping Buffalo in this game. The 1st INT he threw wasn't really his fault, but it gave momentum to Buffalo. Lynch is having a great game against a tough D.

kingfc22 · 12-14-2008, 01:52 PM

Niners need a TD on this drive

SirFozzie · 12-14-2008, 01:56 PM

What ahorrible season for the Lightning Bolts.

Who thought that both participants in the AFC Title Game would be out of the playoffs in Week 14 (and the Chargers are about to officially knock themselves out of the playoff picture for good)

Thomkal · 12-14-2008, 01:57 PM

SD looking really bad now. 3 fumbles and now a Rivers INT. Thigpen runs it in from one yard out 21-3 chiefs

kingfc22 · 12-14-2008, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

Niners need a TD on this drive

Okay, how about a turnover now...

Thomkal · 12-14-2008, 01:59 PM

Niners need to stay below Seattle in points so I can win again this week in the HI/Low

JonInMiddleGA · 12-14-2008, 02:23 PM

By God, I just became a Mike Smith mark.

Thomkal · 12-14-2008, 02:25 PM

that was pretty funny watching him yell right in Bryant's face like that

JonInMiddleGA · 12-14-2008, 02:27 PM

I think it was the pointing him back to the field that made it for me (didn't see that until the replay), you could imagine the soundtrack that went with it.

kingfc22 · 12-14-2008, 02:28 PM

Niners have been controlling this game since the end of the first half, but Miami's defense has come up huge in the red zone.

Can we get into the endzone on this possession please...

Jas_lov · 12-14-2008, 02:29 PM

And the Detroit Lions have just tied the game against the Colts. Is this the week? Who would have thought they'd be tied in the 4th quarter?

12-12-2008, 12:32 AM	#53
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Yeah, because the last week's loss had nothing to do with Plax not being there. OK. I would have a little internal discord than a huge court case hanging over the team. And honestly, I don't think this is as big a deal as everyone is making it out to be. I can totally see Romo laughing it off... __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

12-12-2008, 10:03 AM	#58
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	I found this humorous: Jerry Jones Probably Thinking About Signing Michael Vick \| The Onion - America's Finest News Source __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

12-12-2008, 05:54 PM	#67
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Wow, this one is GOLD from last season, PURE GOLD!!! And so prophetic. http://www.theonion.com/content/news...ons_not_buying Last edited by EagleFan : 12-12-2008 at 05:55 PM.

12-13-2008, 10:44 AM	#68
MIJB#19 Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Maassluis, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands	Those familiar with me through various FOF leagues, usually I get a kick out of figuring out playoff scenarios going into a round of games. I figured I could try and do that at FOFC for the NFL games as well. Here are the NFL week 15 clinch scenarios (after the Chicago-New Orleans game): On the AFC side 1st Tennessee Titans * clinched division and bye week * clinch home field advantage with a win + Pittsburgh loss/tie, or a tie + Pittsburgh loss 2nd Pittsburgh Steelers * clinch division with a win 3rd Denver Broncos * clinch division with a win or tie or a San Diego loss or tie 5th Indianapolis Colts * clinch wild card with win + NY Jets loss or tie + New England loss or tie + Miami loss or tie Also alive in the AFC: 4th New York Jets 6th Baltimore Ravens 7th New England Patriots 8th Miami Dolphins 9th Buffalo Bills 11th San Diego Chargers On the NFC side 1st New York Giants * clinched division * clinch bye week with win or tie or Minnesota loss or tie * cannot clinch home field advantage due to week 16 game vs Carolina 2nd Carolina Panthers * clinch wild card with win + Atlanta or Dallas loss or tie, with tie + two from Atlanta loss, Dallas loss and Philadelphia loss or tie 4th Arizona Cardinals * clinched division Also alive in the NFC: 3rd Minnesota Vikings 5th Tampa Bay Buccaneers 6th Dallas Cowboys 7th Atlanta Falcons 8th Philadelphia Eagles 9th Chicago Bears 10th Washington Redskins 11th New Orleans Saints 12th Green Bay Packers __________________ * 2005 Golden Scribe winner for best FOF Dynasty about IHOF's Maassluis Merchantmen * Former GM of GEFL's Houston Oilers and WOOF's Curacao Cocktail Last edited by MIJB#19 : 12-13-2008 at 02:16 PM.

12-13-2008, 11:36 AM	#70
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Glad to see that the Minnesota Miners are still alive for a playoff spot! __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

12-12-2008, 12:50 AM	#55
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	dola- While obviously losing Plax hurts on field, but it certainly isn't going to drive the players on the team apart.

12-12-2008, 06:59 AM	#56
RedKingGold College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002	Guys, guys. The Eagles are better than BOTH the Giants and Cowboys.

12-12-2008, 10:11 AM	#60
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Didn't Lathum say something about not needing Plaxico, and how Hixon will take his place or something? I could've sworn something at least close to that was said. I like both TO and Plaxico. But if TO blows up this Cowboys team, and now that Plaxico is going to jail... then I don't like them near as much anymore.

12-13-2008, 11:33 AM	#69
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	What's this loss or tie stuff? There can't be ties in the NFL...

12-13-2008, 03:16 PM	#72
Suburban Rhythm Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pittsburgh	What happened to "that's my teammate...that's my quarterback"? __________________ "Do you guys play fast tempos with odd time signatures?" "Yeah" "Cool!!" Last edited by Suburban Rhythm : 12-13-2008 at 03:18 PM.

12-13-2008, 04:13 PM	#74
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	Come on Tony, throw the ball exclusively to Witten, R. Williams, and PAtrick Crayton. __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

12-13-2008, 08:59 PM	#76
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	It's amazing how good T.O is at tearing apart lockers. Defensive guys are supporting him per reports, despite the fact that he has been the problem for multiple teams. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

12-14-2008, 12:28 PM	#79
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	That TD pass from Pennington to Williams was sweeeeet! I say MVP Chad Pennington! __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner

12-14-2008, 12:29 PM	#80
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Thigpen again looks good on the opening drive for the Chiefs. Drives the team down the field and then on a instant replay reversal gets a TD.

12-14-2008, 12:46 PM	#81
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	cough matt ryan!

12-14-2008, 12:53 PM	#82
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Cincy up 17-0 over Washington. Redskins look to be falling completely apart now

12-14-2008, 01:08 PM	#83
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Umpire just through a huge block knocking out 2 Miami defenders to allow Shaun Hill to pick up a big gain on the ground. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

12-14-2008, 01:15 PM	#84
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Thigpen bounces back from an INT and gets his first TD on the day. Larry Johnson threw (yes Larry Johnson) the other score

12-14-2008, 01:17 PM	#85
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	Bye bye, Norv! __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner

12-14-2008, 01:34 PM	#86
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Did someone get hurt in the KC game? Game tracker has it at 1:18 left in the half for a long time.

12-14-2008, 01:38 PM	#87
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Not at that time in the game DeTox that I am aware of (not watching that game, just following on a blog). Chiefs had an injury timeout earlier. I'm guessing timeouts at that point in the game

12-14-2008, 01:45 PM	#88
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	I can't wait for the late games as there are some good ones today. The early games are atrocious. NY-Buffalo has been better than I thought, but the most entertaining thing I've seen so far is some Arab guy throwing his shoes at George W. Bush. The shoes did not have explosives in them, unfortunately.

12-14-2008, 01:49 PM	#89
MrDNA High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2007	My favorite NFL name this year: the Falcons Harry Douglas. In a game with names like Aqib Talib and Sabby Piscitelli it's nice to hear such a bland, normal-sounding name. __________________ Norfolk Flame (Shiba) Jacksonville Bulls (UFL) R.I.P. *Ayr Bravehearts (FOFL)*

12-14-2008, 01:50 PM	#90
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	The Jets are moving the ball well with the running game until Favre launches a ball up for grabs into double coverage. He is single handidly keeping Buffalo in this game. The 1st INT he threw wasn't really his fault, but it gave momentum to Buffalo. Lynch is having a great game against a tough D.

12-14-2008, 01:52 PM	#91
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Niners need a TD on this drive __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

12-14-2008, 01:56 PM	#92
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	What ahorrible season for the Lightning Bolts. Who thought that both participants in the AFC Title Game would be out of the playoffs in Week 14 (and the Chargers are about to officially knock themselves out of the playoff picture for good) __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

12-14-2008, 01:57 PM	#93
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	SD looking really bad now. 3 fumbles and now a Rivers INT. Thigpen runs it in from one yard out 21-3 chiefs

12-14-2008, 01:59 PM	#95
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Niners need to stay below Seattle in points so I can win again this week in the HI/Low

12-14-2008, 02:23 PM	#96
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	By God, I just became a Mike Smith mark. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

12-14-2008, 02:25 PM	#97
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	that was pretty funny watching him yell right in Bryant's face like that

12-14-2008, 02:27 PM	#98
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	I think it was the pointing him back to the field that made it for me (didn't see that until the replay), you could imagine the soundtrack that went with it. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

12-14-2008, 02:28 PM	#99
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Niners have been controlling this game since the end of the first half, but Miami's defense has come up huge in the red zone. Can we get into the endzone on this possession please... __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

12-14-2008, 02:29 PM	#100
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	And the Detroit Lions have just tied the game against the Colts. Is this the week? Who would have thought they'd be tied in the 4th quarter?

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