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Butter · 05-08-2003, 09:04 AM

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Originally posted by Maple Leafs
3. If this did happen as described, and if the "mole" was someone on FOFC, then of course that is messed up. Whoever was responsible should be ashamed.

Join us for the next 12 weeks as we try to figure out:

Who is THE MOLE?

Is it Skydog? "Things I Know for Sure: I am the mole!"

Is it CamEdwards? "Newstalk time is now: Mole-thirty!"

Is it Fritz? "I am a vole."

Or WSUCougar? "I am a colossal Mole!"

Or maybe even Horns himself... "I'm cocky and moley."

Stay tuned for scenes from the next episode, where the gang takes part in the first challenge: IP, You P, We all P....

Airhog · 05-08-2003, 09:04 AM

Well it is possible that this is just some grand hoax. But I doubt he would supply a work number if it didnt happen. Of course there is two sides to every truth.

We dont know anything other than what HM is saying.

1. we dont know how dell works, and if a VP would be the one that would fire someone

2. We dont know if someone from this message board got him fired, or if it was anyone here that turned him in.

3. Companies do have the ability to track where your surfing, and read your e-mail. Maybe he set off some red flags, and they have been watching him for some time now.

4. We will never know the truth.

5. I would find it very very very very low and depisable if someone actually tried to get him fired. You are very sick if you cannot realize the difference between RL and a messageboard. Do us all a favor and go get some help

Drake · 05-08-2003, 09:33 AM

Just because a novel's cheesy doesn't mean it's bad.

cthomer5000 · 05-08-2003, 09:40 AM

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Originally posted by Drake
Just because a novel's cheesy doesn't mean it's bad.

well, this one is certainly creating a buzz among critics.

Samdari · 05-08-2003, 09:42 AM

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Originally posted by PilotMan
Lets assume that every 4 wks it happens. It is never on an exact schedule so it could be +/- 3 days. When do you notice its late? And how long will you wait before you test? You certainly don't jump up and go see a doctor, and most tests won't comeback positive until 6 weeks. I guess you have your opinions on the matter and your reasons. I still feel that there is a logical timeline for his statements, as well he could be exaggerating a week too. I exaggerate when I get mad too. Anyway I can't believe I just wrote a message about periods. I have hit a new all time low. LOL

This does HAVE to be the lowest I have sunk as well.

A realize its a small sample but both women I have been close enough to to "know" when it was coming were +/- hours, not days. Also, each of those women had to take pregnancy tests as the result of my "prowess". Both took them being a week late and got the results within 48 hours.

But, even if what you say is true, there is no way he knows now that she is two months. Lets say, on the 28th, when he first noticed it was not happening, she was 3-4 days late. If it took the six weeks you mention above, he would not yet know she was pregnant.

There is no way that she was late the first time around the 28th and is now 2 months pregnant. He got his fabcricated facts confused. Guys THIS IS A LIE. He is trying one last time to get sympathy from this board, and is sitting home laughing at everyone he dupes.

Mel Kiper's Hair · 05-08-2003, 09:45 AM

Or he could have his dates and times mixed up, and the actual point of the story is really true.

Once again, you are some mean cold-hearted bastards.

The Afoci · 05-08-2003, 09:47 AM

How did you lose your job, the person who fired you was a girl, you should have been cocky and funny and none of this would have happened. You should go to the Rico Suave Forums to learn some more skills and next time maybe you would keep your job. Remember, don't let them know you really want to work at Dell and that you have other options. They will come running to you begging you back. Good luck, give that a try jackas...i mean horns.

Hands to the Face · 05-08-2003, 09:50 AM

Novice screenwriters often are admonished for deploying "on the nose" dialog--exchanges between characters that, because of their overtly melodramatic quality or their obvious inclusion as a means of communicating basic facts, simply don't ring true. Below, I submit, is an example of several lines of "on the nose" dialog that would never, ever transpire in the workaday world:

“Kyle, tell us about HornsManiac” came out of her mouth and when those words hit my ears my stomach knotted up, I felt queasy, and could barely breathe. I was speechless both from shock and from the physical sickness that had just overcome me. “It seems you are quite the character in your secret life, aren’t you?” Umm. Umm, actually... “Stop Kyle, we are here to let you know that we are not comfortable knowing about some of the things you do or could be doing both at home and here in the office. It is funny, Kyle, that I never knew you used drugs and associated with drug users. I also never expected you to be the type that meets women online during business hours, especially with a romantic mindset. Does your wife know that you boast about your ability to so easily cheat on her? Finally, I would have never thought you could possibly violate the trust and lose the respect of so many people that liked you.”

Stop playing three card monte with this con artist and ignore his pleas for attention.

cthomer5000 · 05-08-2003, 09:51 AM

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Originally posted by Mel Kiper's Hair
Or he could have his dates and times mixed up, and the actual point of the story is really true.

Once again, you are some mean cold-hearted bastards.

why?

being suspect of someone who has continually abused the trust of many people here? Have you ever heard of the story "The Boy Who Cried Wolf?"

Marmel · 05-08-2003, 09:52 AM

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Originally posted by Mel Kiper's Hair
Once again, you are some mean cold-hearted bastards.

Yes, I am. I know that.

But in this case, I am not. HM has always wanted to be the center of attention, and even after banned he is trying to do the same. Fuck him and his stories (which, with him, you could never tell whether they were truthful or lies in the first place).

I am just wondering why Skydog would even post this here.

sachmo71 · 05-08-2003, 09:54 AM

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Originally posted by Hands to the Face
Novice screenwriters often are admonished for deploying "on the nose" dialog--exchanges between characters that, because of their overtly melodramatic quality or their obvious inclusion as a means of communicating basic facts, simply don't ring true. Below, I submit, is an example of several lines of "on the nose" dialog that would never, ever transpire in the workaday world:

“Kyle, tell us about HornsManiac” came out of her mouth and when those words hit my ears my stomach knotted up, I felt queasy, and could barely breathe. I was speechless both from shock and from the physical sickness that had just overcome me. “It seems you are quite the character in your secret life, aren’t you?” Umm. Umm, actually... “Stop Kyle, we are here to let you know that we are not comfortable knowing about some of the things you do or could be doing both at home and here in the office. It is funny, Kyle, that I never knew you used drugs and associated with drug users. I also never expected you to be the type that meets women online during business hours, especially with a romantic mindset. Does your wife know that you boast about your ability to so easily cheat on her? Finally, I would have never thought you could possibly violate the trust and lose the respect of so many people that liked you.”

Stop playing three card monte with this con artist and ignore his pleas for attention.

Nice work!

Anrhydeddu · 05-08-2003, 10:00 AM

Hmmm, I am leaning towards the "bullshit" response because it fits the known patterns of stories and tales to get attention and sympathy. The part of allegedly getting "fired" for internet abuse during work hours can be real, except that in most corporations and public entities, there are well established Personnel Policies and Procedures, Dell would be no exception being as large as they are. In most cases, there are steps of reprimands and being HM would cause some considerable attention but unless this had been brought up before as warning, the "firing" seems kind of exaggerated, imo.

Anyway, I agree with the sentiments that one must always being accountable for their own actions and most importantly, learn from them. Whether this applies in the case, I don't know because credibility is certainly the issue.

Drake · 05-08-2003, 10:06 AM

Hands2Face,

Novice fiction writers are often admonished for the same thing. Novice writers in general are admonished for lots of things. A lack of skill in presenting dialogue does not automatically disqualify that the content of the dialogue is inaccurate - just unskilled.

I don't have an actual opinion on the truth of this episode, but I don't think it's fair to draw conclusions about factual accuracy from stylistic errors of an untrained writer.

Qwikshot · 05-08-2003, 10:20 AM

It is time to move on...I think we've done Horns a favor by removing him from this board...I highly doubt that he would be fired so quickly /unless/ he was surfing pornography sites. I work for a large pharaceutical company and I know that using IM, surfing personals, porn sites are "out of bounds" and probably would result in immediate termination...

This site I do surf while at work. ESPN, USAtoday, CNN, some game sites, my fantasy baseball page, and that's about it...

Everything, everywhere is monitored...it is the luck of the draw sometimes...I know people who are higher up than me, who download wav files and the like and never have a problem...but if you head off into porn sites, or sex chat rooms, your job is in deep doo-doo.

If it is real, than I think Horns needs help, professional help...if it isn't, it's just a typical Horns thing, and I'm glad to know that they will be few and far between now that he's no longer allowed on the board.

cuervo72 · 05-08-2003, 10:21 AM

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Originally posted by Anrhydeddu
Hmmm, I am leaning towards the "bullshit" response because it fits the known patterns of stories and tales to get attention and sympathy. The part of allegedly getting "fired" for internet abuse during work hours can be real, except that in most corporations and public entities, there are well established Personnel Policies and Procedures, Dell would be no exception being as large as they are. In most cases, there are steps of reprimands and being HM would cause some considerable attention but unless this had been brought up before as warning, the "firing" seems kind of exaggerated, imo.

Anyway, I agree with the sentiments that one must always being accountable for their own actions and most importantly, learn from them. Whether this applies in the case, I don't know because credibility is certainly the issue.

I've unfortunately had to dismiss staff in the past, and I was told to keep a track of warnings and reprimands that were given to an individual leading up to dismissal (for a specific case, this guy repeatedly was warned of socializing too much, being too loud, conducting side business by telephone, regularly coming in late - 10:30 - for work, and even fell asleep once at his desk).

Now, for contract staff (if my client were to request/require a dismissal), that can be different, and can come out of the blue. I had to let go 2 guys for budget reasons last year, and they gave no notice whatsoever

Much of Horns' language does seem...contrived. And it is conceivable he could leave a message on a phone at a workstation that is otherwise unassigned. Would he? Who knows, I'm not going to pass judgement, but I think it's reasonable that some crap detectors are showing activity.

But if he was in fact fired, I would feel bad for the guy, if he had it coming or not.

EagleFan · 05-08-2003, 10:33 AM

I don't believe much of his stories. I think this could easily be a cry for attention.

If he did get fired, I doubt that anyone from here had anything to do with it. He was most likely being watched for some time.

I do feel bad for him as a person if he is fired, married and with a kid on the way.

It's like the boy who cried wolf. You hear enough BS from him and now he's asking for people to believe him, well it just doesn't fly, even if it is true this time. Kind of like in my younger days after coming home at 4 or 5 in the morning and telling myself never again, and that time I meant it.

HM, thankfully you are gone. Kyle, good luck in your future, whatever it holds.

VPI97 · 05-08-2003, 10:38 AM

Ahahahahahaha

That crazy HM and his wild shenanigans!

Mel Kiper's Hair · 05-08-2003, 10:42 AM

What did he do to deserve this level of ridicule?

I must have missed some event.

HornedFrog Purple · 05-08-2003, 10:43 AM

LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME!

Irony abounds...

If the same thing happened to me, I would not whine about it blaming everyone else since I am responsible for typing it in the first place. It's called "Being A Man". Something that our buddy HM has told everyone else they are not.

Of course, I don't believe a damn word of it.

But if it is true, consider it free therapy.

Samdari · 05-08-2003, 10:46 AM

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Originally posted by Mel Kiper's Hair
Or he could have his dates and times mixed up, and the actual point of the story is really true.

I doubt he got his dates mixed up. He posted on April 28th saying "I noticed my wife was late for the first time TODAY." Generally, even the most confused people can distinguish between what happened today and what happened two months ago.

Then yesterday, he says his wife is two months pregnant. I know people are trying to give him the benefit, but the scenarios people are suggsting conflict with what HM told us happened.

Bishop · 05-08-2003, 10:52 AM

Sad thing is people here will try to be nice and feel sorry for him, then two weeks or less later he'll send another pm about how he duped everyone or he'll completely change his story.

If he got and this is a big IF he got fired from his job, it wasn't because he was posting on a messageboard it was because all the shit he spewed about how he was some big 'playa' and all the other bs, had he of posted like any other normal person he wouldn't of had a problem.

So it just proves all the crap he was saying in the first place was lies, because he was so 'humiliated' by it, an was 'fired' over it so why should anyone believe this?

GrantDawg · 05-08-2003, 10:54 AM

Horns asked me to clear some things up. I know that most of you won't except this, but here it is anyway.

[q]First of all, I maybe should not have used quotes when I was talking about her dialogue in the meeting. They are probably not accurate word for word, but that is the gist of what she was telling me in the meeting. Secondly, I was lucky enough to escape a formal involuntary termination, but I still lost my job. She made it known that she was very aware of what HornsManiac had been up to while online, in shocking detail mind you. She gave me a speech about her disappointment in my violating the Dell code of conduct policy before telling me that my position is being eliminated effective immediately. Finally, when I mentioned our baby will be born in roughly seven months that is what I meant. She could be from 30-60 days pregnant now, but regardless she is pregnant and people knew she was or most likely was. [/q]

The comments about the pregnancy is totally believeable. She is well on her way into her second month by now. All of this is believable IMHO, and has happened before. Of course, Kyle did give us many reasons to doubt.

CamEdwards · 05-08-2003, 10:56 AM

So is it still his belief that we're responsible for violation of his company's code of conduct?

sachmo71 · 05-08-2003, 10:59 AM

Well, if it's true, I hope everything goes well for him and his family. No one deserves this sort of treatment, no matter how big of an asshole they are.

CamEdwards · 05-08-2003, 11:01 AM

Dola: after re-reading his email to Skydog, nowhere does he mention any claim by his company that it was a member of the message board that somehow alerted them to this.

Is it not possible that Dell simply as monitoring his internet usage?

Marmel · 05-08-2003, 11:03 AM

OK, I still don't buy it, but I will say, if it is true, it is pretty sad that somebody would resort to that. I do think he did probably violate his company's rules, but if it took somebody to point out to his supervisors the fact, that is just wrong.

Bishop · 05-08-2003, 11:03 AM

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Originally posted by CamEdwards
Dola: after re-reading his email to Skydog, nowhere does he mention any claim by his company that it was a member of the message board that somehow alerted them to this.

Is it not possible that Dell simply as monitoring his internet usage?

If you read it he says because one of you I guess meaning one of 'us message boarders who he can't leave alone'...

shrug

BFleming · 05-08-2003, 11:04 AM

Just a quick question guys....Let's say hypothetically you were just fired from a job you spent so much time working on and building a career, a job where you blamed a message board for your demise since they're obviouslt out to get you...You'd be quite distraught right? Of course you'd want to say your peace to those you believe wronged you...

BUT...

Would you then post elsewhere, within an hour from when your reaction was posted at this site?? If you're so distraught and still cleaning up your wife's tissues since you have no job and a family on the way, would an hour later be a good time to comment on how you like....say...an OOTP skin? Wow, I guess being cocky and funny does more than just help you meet women...I guess it also is a notable stress management tool...

just my .02

RonnieDobbs · 05-08-2003, 11:05 AM

I'm really surprised so many people are biting the hook on this one. What has HM done in the past to deserve this trust?

mckerney · 05-08-2003, 11:05 AM

Looking back, gotta call BS on this one.

Ksyrup · 05-08-2003, 11:09 AM

If he wants to email people personally, fine. I don't think any of us should serve as a conduit for him to essentially post on a board from which he has been banned. I'm not pointing the finger at GD because I think we all want to know the truth and this is obviously a topic of interest/concern here, but I'd hate to see HM essentially show up here again through a bunch of, "Here's what he told me" posts. Which I have a feeling will happen over the next couple of days.

I'll take the firing as true, and have no reason to believe his wife isn't pregnant. There is still no tie between members of this board and the reason he was fired. He didn't mention it in the email to SD, and he didn't mention it in the email to GD. There's no reason why his boss couldn't have tracked where he spent parts of his day online, found this site, figured out who he was by IP address or just his comments, and read every single post he made.

I think the situation is unfortunate, of for no one else than his wife and unborn child. But the fact of the matter is, the Dell Code of Conduct probably doesn't provide, as a grounds for firing, that an employee admits on a mesage board that he hangs out with drug dealers. Or that he allegedly cheated in an online baseball league. Or that he is Cocky and Funny with women other than his wife. It probably does, however, discuss use of company time and/or internet surfing, etc. That would seem to be the logical reason for his firing. They might not like the other things they saw, but as a basis for firing him, they probably had all they needed in his violations of company policy that had nothing to do with the content of his posts here.

cartman · 05-08-2003, 11:09 AM

For some reason my BS detector is getting a strong reading from Mel Kiper's Hair. Signed up April 2003, has made 22 posts, almost half of them in this thread alone.

Just an observation.

GrantDawg · 05-08-2003, 11:14 AM

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Originally posted by cartman
For some reason my BS detector is getting a strong reading from Mel Kiper's Hair. Signed up April 2003, has made 22 posts, almost half of them in this thread alone.

Just an observation.

B.S. meters always goes off around any part of Mel Kiper.

Bishop · 05-08-2003, 11:14 AM

Okay a stretch here... but lets say this is all true, lets say he did get fired an blah blah... whatever...

By posting this here, whats it gonna do?

It's not gonna get his job back, its not gonna get him back on the board (that shouldn't even matter to him at this point), and its not gonna get anyone to admit to doing this... because we don't even know if that person is even here or exist.

Even if the person said hey I did this to get him fired, which I highly doubt anyone did in the first place... cause he was already gone from the board, everyone stopped talking about him... then this pops up. But even if they did, what's that gonna do?

nothing.... completely nothing.

It just stirs up more crap.

which a moderator is suppose to prevent, not encourage.

GrantDawg · 05-08-2003, 11:17 AM

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Originally posted by Ksyrup
If he wants to email people personally, fine. I don't think any of us should serve as a conduit for him to essentially post on a board from which he has been banned. I'm not pointing the finger at GD because I think we all want to know the truth and this is obviously a topic of interest/concern here, but I'd hate to see HM essentially show up here again through a bunch of, "Here's what he told me" posts. Which I have a feeling will happen over the next couple of days.

I'll take the firing as true, and have no reason to believe his wife isn't pregnant. There is still no tie between members of this board and the reason he was fired. He didn't mention it in the email to SD, and he didn't mention it in the email to GD. There's no reason why his boss couldn't have tracked where he spent parts of his day online, found this site, figured out who he was by IP address or just his comments, and read every single post he made.

No, your right, and I thought about that before I posted. I'm not going to make it a habit (and hopefully others won't either) but I thought it was appropriate for the conversation.

GrantDawg · 05-08-2003, 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by Bishop
Okay a stretch here... but lets say this is all true, lets say he did get fired an blah blah... whatever...

By posting this here, whats it gonna do?

It's not gonna get his job back, its not gonna get him back on the board (that shouldn't even matter to him at this point), and its not gonna get anyone to admit to doing this... because we don't even know if that person is even here or exist.

Even if the person said hey I did this to get him fired, which I highly doubt anyone did in the first place... cause he was already gone from the board, everyone stopped talking about him... then this pops up. But even if they did, what's that gonna do?

nothing.... completely nothing.

It just stirs up more crap.

which a moderator is suppose to prevent, not encourage.

I don't know. I think it serves as a word of warning. Be carefull what you post, because there are real people behind these handles and some can be petty.

Bee · 05-08-2003, 11:21 AM

Anyplace I've worked, when someone is fired they are escorted out immediately. You don't stay around because of security reasons. (Horns listed his Dell phone number to call and talk to him).

It's also difficult to believe they would go into detail what HM was actually posting online (as that would basically be irrelevant to them). What would matter is where he was going and how much time he was spending doing that instead of his job.

Ksyrup · 05-08-2003, 11:22 AM

I think that number was to call someone else to verify his story, not that he would answer.

Draft Dodger · 05-08-2003, 11:24 AM

Horns was banned?

Bishop · 05-08-2003, 11:24 AM

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Originally posted by GrantDawg
I don't know. I think it serves as a word of warning. Be carefull what you post, because there are real people behind these handles and some can be petty.

Anyone really need to be told that if they spend numerous hours on a message board instead of doing their job that they will probably be fired?

GrantDawg · 05-08-2003, 11:25 AM

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Originally posted by Bishop
Anyone really need to be told that if they spend numerous hours on a message board instead of doing their job that they will probably be fired?

Not what I said.

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 05-08-2003, 11:26 AM

It's sad how some people out there ruined a man's life .....sick people nowadays .

Swaggs · 05-08-2003, 11:28 AM

This is unfortunate for Kyle's family. Even though I don't think much of HM, hopefully his wife and child will be alright.

During the RWBL debacle, he mentioned that he took the league file to and from work and I remember thinking that I couldn't imagine playing RWBL or FOF or any computer game at work (although, I know some of you have the freedom to do so). We do know that he was posting frequently (regardless of content) and probably running an online baseball league from work. If his employer realized that, then regardless of the quality/volume of his work, he was probably not using company time as efficiently and productively as Dell requires.

It is pretty messed up if someone reported him, but if the evidence was there, it was there.

Bishop · 05-08-2003, 11:28 AM

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Originally posted by GrantDawg
Not what I said.

But it's the blunt of what actually happened. You say some people here can/could be petty, but we don't even know if anyone here even did anything.

Jets80 · 05-08-2003, 11:31 AM

Dude, Your getting fired !!!!!!

BFleming · 05-08-2003, 11:33 AM

I know I haven't posted on here a lot so I don't expect to single-handedly prove this is bullshit on my word alone...but again, explain to me why you post at the rwbl forum after months there w/o so much as a peep, then when you do post, you make a comment about a skin, showing no sorrow whatsoever about being fired, especially considering his history in that league...i'm sorry if he did get fired, but give me a break...

Franklinnoble · 05-08-2003, 11:33 AM

I'm calling bullshit, too.

If he's really unemployed right now, it's either because he got caught f*cking around online too much when he should have been working, or he just got laid off like most of the rest of us in the tech industry have in the last 2 years (happened to me last year... no big crisis).

Either way, his letter smells like a damp, steamy cow pie, and I don't believe a word of it.

Oh, and he's obviously still reading this forum (and possibly posting on it).

Drake · 05-08-2003, 11:38 AM

Question: Could this story have been fabricated so that the IP numbers originating from Dell would be unblocked here at FOFC, thus allowing HM to return to the board under another name?

I don't know enough about how SkyDog and Ryan do IP banning to know if this is even plausible.

IMetTrentGreen · 05-08-2003, 11:39 AM

according to a guy i know who works at dell no one has been fired in the last couple weeks

however, he works in cutomer support, not management, so he could be in the dark about this

Mel Kiper's Hair · 05-08-2003, 11:54 AM

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Originally posted by cartman
For some reason my BS detector is getting a strong reading from Mel Kiper's Hair. Signed up April 2003, has made 22 posts, almost half of them in this thread alone.

Just an observation.

Sorry. How many posts do I need before I'm allowed to have an opinion?

05-08-2003, 09:04 AM	#52
Airhog Captain Obvious Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Norman, Oklahoma	Well it is possible that this is just some grand hoax. But I doubt he would supply a work number if it didnt happen. Of course there is two sides to every truth. We dont know anything other than what HM is saying. 1. we dont know how dell works, and if a VP would be the one that would fire someone 2. We dont know if someone from this message board got him fired, or if it was anyone here that turned him in. 3. Companies do have the ability to track where your surfing, and read your e-mail. Maybe he set off some red flags, and they have been watching him for some time now. 4. We will never know the truth. 5. I would find it very very very very low and depisable if someone actually tried to get him fired. You are very sick if you cannot realize the difference between RL and a messageboard. Do us all a favor and go get some help __________________ Thread Killer extraordinaire Yay! its football season once again!

05-08-2003, 09:47 AM	#57
The Afoci Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Moorhead	How did you lose your job, the person who fired you was a girl, you should have been cocky and funny and none of this would have happened. You should go to the Rico Suave Forums to learn some more skills and next time maybe you would keep your job. Remember, don't let them know you really want to work at Dell and that you have other options. They will come running to you begging you back. Good luck, give that a try jackas...i mean horns. __________________ I had something.

05-08-2003, 10:20 AM	#64
Qwikshot Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ...down the gravity well	It is time to move on...I think we've done Horns a favor by removing him from this board...I highly doubt that he would be fired so quickly /unless/ he was surfing pornography sites. I work for a large pharaceutical company and I know that using IM, surfing personals, porn sites are "out of bounds" and probably would result in immediate termination... This site I do surf while at work. ESPN, USAtoday, CNN, some game sites, my fantasy baseball page, and that's about it... Everything, everywhere is monitored...it is the luck of the draw sometimes...I know people who are higher up than me, who download wav files and the like and never have a problem...but if you head off into porn sites, or sex chat rooms, your job is in deep doo-doo. If it is real, than I think Horns needs help, professional help...if it isn't, it's just a typical Horns thing, and I'm glad to know that they will be few and far between now that he's no longer allowed on the board. __________________ "General Woundwort's body was never found. It could be that he still lives his fierce life somewhere else, but from that day on, mother rabbits would tell their kittens that if they did not do as they were told, the General would get them. Such was Woundwort's monument, and perhaps it would not have displeased him." Watership Down, Richard Adams

05-08-2003, 10:33 AM	#66
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	I don't believe much of his stories. I think this could easily be a cry for attention. If he did get fired, I doubt that anyone from here had anything to do with it. He was most likely being watched for some time. I do feel bad for him as a person if he is fired, married and with a kid on the way. It's like the boy who cried wolf. You hear enough BS from him and now he's asking for people to believe him, well it just doesn't fly, even if it is true this time. Kind of like in my younger days after coming home at 4 or 5 in the morning and telling myself never again, and that time I meant it. HM, thankfully you are gone. Kyle, good luck in your future, whatever it holds. __________________ The EagleFan YouTube Channel - Reactions Soarin' & Scratchin' YouTube Channel - We react to music, videos, TV, we talk, we are planning some field trips Soarin' & Soothin' - Meditation, Relaxation, and Sleep Aid; mental health is important

05-08-2003, 10:38 AM	#67
VPI97 Hokie, Hokie, Hokie, Hi Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Kennesaw, GA	Ahahahahahaha That crazy HM and his wild shenanigans! __________________ CT & Jivin - "Surprisingly Entertaining"

05-08-2003, 09:33 AM	#53
Drake assmaster Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bloomington, IN	Just because a novel's cheesy doesn't mean it's bad.

05-08-2003, 09:45 AM	#56
Mel Kiper's Hair Banned Join Date: Apr 2003	Or he could have his dates and times mixed up, and the actual point of the story is really true. Once again, you are some mean cold-hearted bastards.

05-08-2003, 09:50 AM	#58
Hands to the Face n00b Join Date: Jan 2003	Novice screenwriters often are admonished for deploying "on the nose" dialog--exchanges between characters that, because of their overtly melodramatic quality or their obvious inclusion as a means of communicating basic facts, simply don't ring true. Below, I submit, is an example of several lines of "on the nose" dialog that would never, ever transpire in the workaday world: “Kyle, tell us about HornsManiac” came out of her mouth and when those words hit my ears my stomach knotted up, I felt queasy, and could barely breathe. I was speechless both from shock and from the physical sickness that had just overcome me. “It seems you are quite the character in your secret life, aren’t you?” Umm. Umm, actually... “Stop Kyle, we are here to let you know that we are not comfortable knowing about some of the things you do or could be doing both at home and here in the office. It is funny, Kyle, that I never knew you used drugs and associated with drug users. I also never expected you to be the type that meets women online during business hours, especially with a romantic mindset. Does your wife know that you boast about your ability to so easily cheat on her? Finally, I would have never thought you could possibly violate the trust and lose the respect of so many people that liked you.” Stop playing three card monte with this con artist and ignore his pleas for attention.

05-08-2003, 10:00 AM	#62
Anrhydeddu Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Oct 2002	Hmmm, I am leaning towards the "bullshit" response because it fits the known patterns of stories and tales to get attention and sympathy. The part of allegedly getting "fired" for internet abuse during work hours can be real, except that in most corporations and public entities, there are well established Personnel Policies and Procedures, Dell would be no exception being as large as they are. In most cases, there are steps of reprimands and being HM would cause some considerable attention but unless this had been brought up before as warning, the "firing" seems kind of exaggerated, imo. Anyway, I agree with the sentiments that one must always being accountable for their own actions and most importantly, learn from them. Whether this applies in the case, I don't know because credibility is certainly the issue.

05-08-2003, 10:06 AM	#63
Drake assmaster Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bloomington, IN	Hands2Face, Novice fiction writers are often admonished for the same thing. Novice writers in general are admonished for lots of things. A lack of skill in presenting dialogue does not automatically disqualify that the content of the dialogue is inaccurate - just unskilled. I don't have an actual opinion on the truth of this episode, but I don't think it's fair to draw conclusions about factual accuracy from stylistic errors of an untrained writer.

05-08-2003, 10:42 AM	#68
Mel Kiper's Hair Banned Join Date: Apr 2003	What did he do to deserve this level of ridicule? I must have missed some event.

05-08-2003, 10:43 AM	#69
HornedFrog Purple Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fort Worthless, Tx	LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME! Irony abounds... If the same thing happened to me, I would not whine about it blaming everyone else since I am responsible for typing it in the first place. It's called "Being A Man". Something that our buddy HM has told everyone else they are not. Of course, I don't believe a damn word of it. But if it is true, consider it free therapy. __________________ King of All FOFC Media!!! IHOF: Fort Worthless Fury- 2004 AOC Deep South Champions (not acknowledged via conspiracy)

05-08-2003, 10:52 AM	#71
Bishop Mascot Join Date: Jan 2003	Sad thing is people here will try to be nice and feel sorry for him, then two weeks or less later he'll send another pm about how he duped everyone or he'll completely change his story. If he got and this is a big IF he got fired from his job, it wasn't because he was posting on a messageboard it was because all the shit he spewed about how he was some big 'playa' and all the other bs, had he of posted like any other normal person he wouldn't of had a problem. So it just proves all the crap he was saying in the first place was lies, because he was so 'humiliated' by it, an was 'fired' over it so why should anyone believe this?

05-08-2003, 10:54 AM	#72
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	Horns asked me to clear some things up. I know that most of you won't except this, but here it is anyway. [q]First of all, I maybe should not have used quotes when I was talking about her dialogue in the meeting. They are probably not accurate word for word, but that is the gist of what she was telling me in the meeting. Secondly, I was lucky enough to escape a formal involuntary termination, but I still lost my job. She made it known that she was very aware of what HornsManiac had been up to while online, in shocking detail mind you. She gave me a speech about her disappointment in my violating the Dell code of conduct policy before telling me that my position is being eliminated effective immediately. Finally, when I mentioned our baby will be born in roughly seven months that is what I meant. She could be from 30-60 days pregnant now, but regardless she is pregnant and people knew she was or most likely was. [/q] The comments about the pregnancy is totally believeable. She is well on her way into her second month by now. All of this is believable IMHO, and has happened before. Of course, Kyle did give us many reasons to doubt.

05-08-2003, 10:56 AM	#73
CamEdwards Stadium Announcer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Burke, VA	So is it still his belief that we're responsible for violation of his company's code of conduct? __________________ I don't want the world. I just want your half.

05-08-2003, 10:59 AM	#74
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	Well, if it's true, I hope everything goes well for him and his family. No one deserves this sort of treatment, no matter how big of an asshole they are.

05-08-2003, 11:01 AM	#75
CamEdwards Stadium Announcer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Burke, VA	Dola: after re-reading his email to Skydog, nowhere does he mention any claim by his company that it was a member of the message board that somehow alerted them to this. Is it not possible that Dell simply as monitoring his internet usage? __________________ I don't want the world. I just want your half.

05-08-2003, 11:03 AM	#76
Marmel Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Manchester, CT	OK, I still don't buy it, but I will say, if it is true, it is pretty sad that somebody would resort to that. I do think he did probably violate his company's rules, but if it took somebody to point out to his supervisors the fact, that is just wrong. __________________ 81-78 Cincinnati basketball writer P. Daugherty, "Connor Barwin playing several minutes against Syracuse is like kids with slingshots taking down Caesar's legions."

05-08-2003, 11:04 AM	#78
BFleming H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Jersey	Just a quick question guys....Let's say hypothetically you were just fired from a job you spent so much time working on and building a career, a job where you blamed a message board for your demise since they're obviouslt out to get you...You'd be quite distraught right? Of course you'd want to say your peace to those you believe wronged you... BUT... Would you then post elsewhere, within an hour from when your reaction was posted at this site?? If you're so distraught and still cleaning up your wife's tissues since you have no job and a family on the way, would an hour later be a good time to comment on how you like....say...an OOTP skin? Wow, I guess being cocky and funny does more than just help you meet women...I guess it also is a notable stress management tool... just my .02

05-08-2003, 11:05 AM	#79
RonnieDobbs High School JV Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Boston, MA	I'm really surprised so many people are biting the hook on this one. What has HM done in the past to deserve this trust? __________________ ----------------------------------------- Lookin' forward to great seasons from my 'Skins, Cubbies, and Red Sox (please humor me) Proud Manager of the BOSTON WYCKYD SCEPTRE Also attempting to Right The Ship with the Clippers

05-08-2003, 11:05 AM	#80
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Looking back, gotta call BS on this one. Last edited by mckerney : 04-15-2004 at 07:27 PM.

05-08-2003, 11:09 AM	#81
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	If he wants to email people personally, fine. I don't think any of us should serve as a conduit for him to essentially post on a board from which he has been banned. I'm not pointing the finger at GD because I think we all want to know the truth and this is obviously a topic of interest/concern here, but I'd hate to see HM essentially show up here again through a bunch of, "Here's what he told me" posts. Which I have a feeling will happen over the next couple of days. I'll take the firing as true, and have no reason to believe his wife isn't pregnant. There is still no tie between members of this board and the reason he was fired. He didn't mention it in the email to SD, and he didn't mention it in the email to GD. There's no reason why his boss couldn't have tracked where he spent parts of his day online, found this site, figured out who he was by IP address or just his comments, and read every single post he made. I think the situation is unfortunate, of for no one else than his wife and unborn child. But the fact of the matter is, the Dell Code of Conduct probably doesn't provide, as a grounds for firing, that an employee admits on a mesage board that he hangs out with drug dealers. Or that he allegedly cheated in an online baseball league. Or that he is Cocky and Funny with women other than his wife. It probably does, however, discuss use of company time and/or internet surfing, etc. That would seem to be the logical reason for his firing. They might not like the other things they saw, but as a basis for firing him, they probably had all they needed in his violations of company policy that had nothing to do with the content of his posts here. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

05-08-2003, 11:09 AM	#82
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	For some reason my BS detector is getting a strong reading from Mel Kiper's Hair. Signed up April 2003, has made 22 posts, almost half of them in this thread alone. Just an observation. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

05-08-2003, 11:14 AM	#84
Bishop Mascot Join Date: Jan 2003	Okay a stretch here... but lets say this is all true, lets say he did get fired an blah blah... whatever... By posting this here, whats it gonna do? It's not gonna get his job back, its not gonna get him back on the board (that shouldn't even matter to him at this point), and its not gonna get anyone to admit to doing this... because we don't even know if that person is even here or exist. Even if the person said hey I did this to get him fired, which I highly doubt anyone did in the first place... cause he was already gone from the board, everyone stopped talking about him... then this pops up. But even if they did, what's that gonna do? nothing.... completely nothing. It just stirs up more crap. which a moderator is suppose to prevent, not encourage. Last edited by Bishop : 05-08-2003 at 11:15 AM.

05-08-2003, 11:21 AM	#87
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	Anyplace I've worked, when someone is fired they are escorted out immediately. You don't stay around because of security reasons. (Horns listed his Dell phone number to call and talk to him). It's also difficult to believe they would go into detail what HM was actually posting online (as that would basically be irrelevant to them). What would matter is where he was going and how much time he was spending doing that instead of his job.

05-08-2003, 11:22 AM	#88
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	I think that number was to call someone else to verify his story, not that he would answer. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

05-08-2003, 11:24 AM	#89
Draft Dodger Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Keene, NH	Horns was banned? __________________ Mile High Hockey

05-08-2003, 11:26 AM	#92
CHEMICAL SOLDIER College Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Henderson, Nevada	It's sad how some people out there ruined a man's life .....sick people nowadays . __________________ Toujour Pret

05-08-2003, 11:28 AM	#93
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	This is unfortunate for Kyle's family. Even though I don't think much of HM, hopefully his wife and child will be alright. During the RWBL debacle, he mentioned that he took the league file to and from work and I remember thinking that I couldn't imagine playing RWBL or FOF or any computer game at work (although, I know some of you have the freedom to do so). We do know that he was posting frequently (regardless of content) and probably running an online baseball league from work. If his employer realized that, then regardless of the quality/volume of his work, he was probably not using company time as efficiently and productively as Dell requires. It is pretty messed up if someone reported him, but if the evidence was there, it was there. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

05-08-2003, 11:31 AM	#95
Jets80 High School Varsity Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Charlotte, NC	Dude, Your getting fired !!!!!!

05-08-2003, 11:33 AM	#96
BFleming H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Jersey	I know I haven't posted on here a lot so I don't expect to single-handedly prove this is bullshit on my word alone...but again, explain to me why you post at the rwbl forum after months there w/o so much as a peep, then when you do post, you make a comment about a skin, showing no sorrow whatsoever about being fired, especially considering his history in that league...i'm sorry if he did get fired, but give me a break...

05-08-2003, 11:33 AM	#97
Franklinnoble Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Placerville, CA	I'm calling bullshit, too. If he's really unemployed right now, it's either because he got caught f*cking around online too much when he should have been working, or he just got laid off like most of the rest of us in the tech industry have in the last 2 years (happened to me last year... no big crisis). Either way, his letter smells like a damp, steamy cow pie, and I don't believe a word of it. Oh, and he's obviously still reading this forum (and possibly posting on it).

05-08-2003, 11:38 AM	#98
Drake assmaster Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bloomington, IN	Question: Could this story have been fabricated so that the IP numbers originating from Dell would be unblocked here at FOFC, thus allowing HM to return to the board under another name? I don't know enough about how SkyDog and Ryan do IP banning to know if this is even plausible.

05-08-2003, 11:39 AM	#99
IMetTrentGreen College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Austin, Texas	according to a guy i know who works at dell no one has been fired in the last couple weeks however, he works in cutomer support, not management, so he could be in the dark about this

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