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BTW, SpongeBob does have a girlfriend in the show. So unless I missed the episode (my kids watch all the time) where he 'came out,' then once again we see the homosexual agenda just making up what they want to push push push their views as 'mainstream."
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The whole "SB = gay icon" thing appears to have started with a Wall Street Journal article in 2002.
I didn't Google up the original, but here are three (of many) references I found from around that same time. http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,10647,00.html http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,65225,00.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertain...io/2313221.stm And the story hasn't gone away in the meantime, at least not everywhere. This is from March '04, involving the Cayman Islands Dept. of Tourism http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/2004.../spongebob.htm
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Wow. I didn't know that Jesus or God or His agents copyrighted or patented "Christian" ethics and values. I think the question that you have to ask yourself is this video promoting Christian ethics or "good" ethics? I do not see how it is a hypocrical double standard at all, unless somewhere in the Bible it tells us to not be tolerant of homosexuality. If so, please give me the verse, which has probably been translated fifty times into something that may or may not be near the original writing. |
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What the hell are you talking about? SpongeBob, the character, does not promote a gay lifestyle, his character is not gay and the show does not deal with homosexuality in any way. SpongeBob is a 'gay icon' just as the TinkyWinky was with the Tellatubbies... or Richard Gere. These freaks are simply upset over the fact that gay people like SpongeBob for some weird reason and they cant deal with it. So, by that very same logic, lets start banning eveything gays like... im sure many gay kids enjoyed coloring at one point in their life... and barbie, i bet barbie was big with the gay kids... |
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Southern Baptist study showed that most 80+ of people become 'born-again' before the age of 19. So apply whatever secular standard you want to that, but to Christians it just means that God's Word is as accurate as ever "Many are called, few are chosen." "The path to salvation is narrow, the avenue to destruction is broad and many will follow that one." Paraphrased here. I Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. Last edited by Bubba Wheels : 01-21-2005 at 12:07 PM. |
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the thing is people made this video to promote open-minded opinions and to teach kids not to hate people different from themselves. Do people honestly think that the makers had an alterior motive of promoting homosexuality??? It's SpongeBob!! A freakin' cartoon! People need to figure out where to draw the line of real life and fictional characters!
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Not to get too theoretical, but I do think religion is a very good thing for society as a whole. As Humans, our base reponse is self-preservation and having a reason to care more about the whole is a good thing for society. Now, I will certainly admit that not every person needs to religion to have good values - evidence is on this board with many people that classify themselves as not religious have shown themselves to be "good people" (as much as can be determined on a board). Still, I think that having a strong Christian culture in the US has helped the country (as a whole) create better individual people.
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I love this comment. It couldn't be more true. Are people afraid of "turning gay" because someone that is gay watches SpongeBob?? |
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Frankly, I'm amazed that there's anybody who doesn't understand that this is precisely what these sort of videos are intending to do ... not necessarily to increase the number of homosexuals but rather to promote it as an "acceptable" lifestyle. Come to think of it, I think that's pretty much understood all the way 'round, isn't it?
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I go back to my main point: It is not up to the public school system to promote and indoctrinate students in its care with whatever social engineering ways seem right to it at the time (like Heather having 2 mommies) just not their job same as its not their job to promote the teachers/administrators religious views. Whatever cartoon characters they want to use is completely secondary, I was just reversing the situation with Spongebob to make my point. |
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C'mon BW, who are you kidding? That's been the primary mission of the public schools in this country for years now, and it's the only reason they're still a sacred cow to the left.
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That maybe true, but as long as the public school system wants to keep its real agenda 'secret' (i.e. indoctrination and brainwashing) then we can still hold their feet to the fire in regards to what they publicly state that their supposed mission really is (education.) |
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Uh.....no. If I watch a cartoon or anything considered entertainment for that matter, I take it as just that. Entertainment. There is enough debate in the world, that when I sit down to watch something like this, I do not like reading into it. Why does something have to be more than what's on the surface. Some people choose to read deeply into something like whether or not SpongeBob is gay. I personally would rather just sit down and enjoy watching a television program. |
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What kind of "social engineering" do you think is okay? If any, I think tolerance ranks up there since it teaches kids to accept others (like the skate fags, the jocks, the band nerds, etc.). If you didn't have separate cliques in your Junior High or High school, then I must be unique.
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I think we've crossed references somewhere -- I'm talking about the video released by the foundation mentioned in the original post, not about the TV show, theatre movie, etc.
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C'mon BW, who are you kidding? That's been the primary mission of religion since the begining of time. Religion is all about indocrination and brianwashing. It's what they do!
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Well, hate to keep using the same analogies, but when they fit...Mussolini was a big hero at first, cause he was the first Italian leader to 'make the trains run on time." Just because something may have limited value in one sense (talking about tolerance) doesn't mean it should be promoted across the board as its own 'religion." Many things should obviously not be tolerated, crime being one thing...and calling what faith-based consider to be 'sin' ...open-minded and tolerant is just being hostile to those who are faith-based. So just don't discuss it at all in the classroom. |
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It just seemed like you were making a genreal referrence to most entertainment viewed on the tv. I guess I miss read your original comment. |
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have you even SEEN the video?? and again as far as that article, the video doesnt really have anything to do with "homosexuality", the group who backs it simply includes it as part of their tolerance pledge..somehow i dont think the video has some sort of gay pride parade in it it's all just a big organization pissin contest.. and who's Spongebobs girlfriend??ive never seen her
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I'm surprised by the number of people who admit to not thinking about this too - what individual or group of people puts out some piece of media without having an agenda nowadays? For everyone talking about oh its just a video promoting tolerance what do you think tolerance is? Tolerance is acceptance and what religious or political organization with any clout is going to sit back and not say anything with something that goes against their beliefs or views is being propogated in the public domain? You might not be a Christian but to those who follow the Christian doctrine homosexuality is a sin and therefore a lifestyle that many Christians find to be unacceptable. So when there is anything in the public domain that promotes homosexuality as being ok the spokespeople for the Christian sect is going to step up and denounce it and the reason you hear about it is because Christianity is huge. It is no different than any other religious or political organization that has enough members and a loud enough voice to be heard - when there is something in the public it does not agree with you will hear about it. Persecuting or ridculing people because they are Christians and feel this way is only going to make them yell louder and become more adament. It strikes me as odd that people who want to promote tolerance are equally as intolerant of the people who are intolerant to their beliefs or lifestyle yet in today's society its acceptable to degrade someone for having religous beliefs and living his or her life according to those beliefs yet you are classified as intolerant and hateful if you speak out against something like homosexuality. My point is what difference does it make if a group speaks out for or against something? If you think there's nothing wrong with homosexuality then you teach your children that its ok to be gay and if you think Spongebob is a vehicle used to promote the gay agenda and that goes against your beliefs then don't let your children watch Spongebob but why do you have to criticize people for having a belief in something simply because it doesn't mimic yours? Isn't that the definition of intolerance? |
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Ah...okay. I see your point there that being tolerant to gays is hostile to those who are faith-based of your religion. While I do not necessarily agree with your reasoning, I can see where you're coming from. I didn't do too well in History, but it seems to me that your Mussolini analogy may suffer from slippery slope. I don't think that tolerance is a religion, nor is the school promoting itself as a religion. |
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Another thing is, we're commenting on this video as adults. Do you really think a 3 year old is going to question his or her sexuality because of a SpongeBob video?? I should hope children around that age don't even know the difference between gay and straight. Kids are born clueless and innocent and adults screw it up for them. Children don't take things too seriously, adults do.
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What they are trying to do is prevent zealots from beating them up, tying them to their trucks and dragging them around. Sorry for the harsh image, but I just can't believe you would defend these idiots. They aren't trying to promote anything...what they are saying is that people of other lifestyles and religions ***GASP*** are out there so deal with it in ways other than hate. They really could care less if you hate the sin, they don't want you to hate the sinner. For a bunch of people who keep saying that, your words do not nearly promote it. |
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Religion: 4. Any objective attented to or pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion: A collector might make a religion of his hobby. The American Heritage Dictionary Secular Humanism, with 'tolerance' as its main tenant, would certainly qualify. Some courts have upheld that secular humanism IS a religious system. Last edited by Bubba Wheels : 01-21-2005 at 12:47 PM. |
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I really agree with this. It's not promoting homosexuality. It's making kids aware of differences. It's kind of like being invited to a costume party, and you're the only one not wearing a costume. It's just making kids aware. Did God want people to be unaware?? |
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Tolerance - The capacity for or the practice of recognizing and respecting the beliefs or practices of others.
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What you state could just as easily be promoted as respect of fellow man and teaching against violence. Bringing in the gay thing is promoting an agenda above and beyond what you state. |
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This video does not deal with homosexuality in any way. Its simply a feel good 'we are the world' type thing.. if its promoting anything, its unity. Your 'what if SpongeBob was promoting christianity' arguement is null and void. SpongeBob doesnt promote homosexuality and nor does this video, so to say what if he was promoting religion is pointless. You can watch it yourself... hxxp://www.wearefamilyfoundation.org/ Quote:
So in reality, these freaks are really upset about the producers of the videos morality and this whole article has NOTHING to do with SpongeBob (other than marketing trends show gays dig him). I like how this thread about intolerance makes me, someone whos completely tolerant of everything, completely intolerant. im really sick of the word tolerant. |
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Completely tolerant of everything? Pedophilia? Slavery? Cheating? You said it, I didn't. |
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tol·er·ance Audio pronunciation of "tolerance" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tlr-ns)
n. 1. The capacity for or the practice of recognizing and respecting the beliefs or practices of others. 2. 1. Leeway for variation from a standard. 2. The permissible deviation from a specified value of a structural dimension, often expressed as a percent. 3. The capacity to endure hardship or pain. 4. Medicine. 1. Physiological resistance to a poison. 2. The capacity to absorb a drug continuously or in large doses without adverse effect; diminution in the response to a drug after prolonged use. 5. 1. Acceptance of a tissue graft or transplant without immunological rejection. 2. Unresponsiveness to an antigen that normally produces an immunological reaction. 6. The ability of an organism to resist or survive infection by a parasitic or pathogenic organism. I guess they forgot : 7. Ploy by Satan to deceive humans and doom them to Hell for eternity. It seems even the dictionaries have been infiltrated by Satan! Last edited by Tekneek : 01-21-2005 at 12:52 PM. |
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I still think grown-ups ruin children. No child in the world is going to watch this and wonder, "Are they trying to promote homosexuality?"
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