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View Poll Results: Do you use the word "gay" to describe something that bugs you? | |||
Yes, it's a phrase I frequently use. | 28 | 19.31% | |
Yes, it's a phrase I sometimes use. | 36 | 24.83% | |
Yes, it's a phrase I rarely use. | 19 | 13.10% | |
No, it's a phrase I never use. | 62 | 42.76% | |
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10-19-2005, 11:57 AM | #51 | ||
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I use that phrase extremely rarely, but sometimes it's needed. The last time I used it was for this post on the CFL forum, and it was entirely warranted.
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10-19-2005, 12:21 PM | #53 |
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It's a phrase I use alot...When you say don't be a dork, you offen guy's like Bill Gates. Where's the uproar...
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10-19-2005, 12:22 PM | #54 | |
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10-19-2005, 12:24 PM | #55 | |
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meh I inadvertently used it in a conversation with a gay co-worker once. We didn't really know each other very well, so when I said it there was a brief "uh oh, what did I do here" moment. But he shrugged it off and we had a good laugh about it. I think there are a lot of situations where people are looking for an excuse to get offended, if that makes sense.
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10-19-2005, 12:24 PM | #56 |
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I don't suppose it would be okay for me to start calling the things that bug me black or asian or arab or jewish... If someting bugs you say that it bugs you, don't revert to some high school insult that is both ignorant and over used.
/steps down from soap box. I know what I said above sounds preachy and what not... but it's true. No one would find it acceptable if I went around using the word black or african-american as in insult, so why it okay for people to use the word gay? /steps down from the soap box below the orginal soap box
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10-19-2005, 12:33 PM | #57 | |
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10-19-2005, 12:38 PM | #58 |
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This thread is starting to take its turn...
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10-19-2005, 12:50 PM | #59 |
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This is something that my friends and I would say all the time back when we were, oh, 12. I let fly with a "that is gay" every once in a while, but whenever I say it I am describing something that is actually gay.
Like Dashboard Confessional.
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10-19-2005, 02:35 PM | #60 | ||
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Actually, saying "retarded" was something I was gonna bunch in with this thread, but I decided against it. If this one turns out okay, I think I'll pose the same question with "retarded" substituted in. I honestly hear people use "gay" more often than "retarded," but super-intelligent people like Conan O' Brien say "retarded" on an almost nightly basis (which goes to show you that smart people can say not-so-smart things). I never thought this thread would reach 2 pages without people degrading themselves to being complete jackasses I'll try and stay out of everyone's way and let you guys discuss. Oh yeah, and I heard some random guy my dad was playing squash with say "little feet like a Japanese woman" the other night. I was about floored, but then I remembered that's how a lot of people think/talk in the world. It's weird, because I swear up&down like it's no big deal, but I'll never use racial slurs or even "gay" or "retarded". It's weird because I don't think of myself as PC, but with stuff like this I walk a very straight line. Wonder if that makes any sense... |
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10-19-2005, 03:10 PM | #61 |
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I use it frequently, and I make no apology for it. I also use the phrase "that's so retarded" frequently, and I make no apology for it. I also use many words and phrases that others find offensive and make no apologies for them.
What I don't do is use them in public and around people who might find them offensive. I don't walk around in the mall with friends and see something and yell "Look at that! That's so gay!!". I don't sit in the waiting room for my doctor or dentist and say "I can't beleive how long they make us wait. It's so retarded.". I don't walk up to a random black employee of a store and say "What up my nigger, can I get tha 4-1-1 on this bling-bling?" As for here, only once have I gotten a PM asking me not to say something because it offended them when I did. I haven't used that phrase since. It was a pretty bad phrase that I don't think I've seen anyone else here use before or since so I make a conscious effort not to use it (which is easy since it's not something I say or type oftan).. But, just for the simple fact that I use these words and phrases with friends who also use them and have no problem with them makes me a horrible person and just the fact that you know I use the words highly offends you...whatever. You think I need to grow up, I think your view on the topic is incredibly childish. I'll atleast agree to disagree. Also, it's interesting how people keep bringing up the word "lame". Did you know it didn't always mean what it means now? Guess how it got that way. The same is probably true for most of the words people use instead of "uncool" (and some of them were probably thought of as offensive at some point too) |
10-19-2005, 03:22 PM | #62 |
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sabotai, I find your post Smurfy.
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10-19-2005, 03:23 PM | #63 | |
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10-19-2005, 03:29 PM | #64 | |
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When I was 12, gay meant happy and I would only hear this word used a lot in songs from the 60's and 70's. It is strange how this word got a negative connotation and the same thing for rainbows. I remember making rainbows with a leprechaun at the end when I was about 6 or 7 and now rainbows are looked upon with derision. To top it off, my favorite color has always been purple. With that said, I don't ever use the phrase because of how the word is used. That goes with another term that I see a lot on this board which is faggotty. They are both foul remarks and I am surprised that people don't understand it, because the words are being linked to things that you find stupid or disapprove of. |
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10-19-2005, 04:19 PM | #65 | |
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Yea, I've already heard that used to describe something stupid numerous times around me. |
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10-19-2005, 04:54 PM | #66 | |
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10-19-2005, 05:08 PM | #67 | |
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sums up my feelings, I'm curious if the people who find childish/horrible use words like bitch, fuck, shit, asshole, jackass, etc.
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10-19-2005, 05:22 PM | #68 | |
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I use those words. The reason I don't say something is "gay" is because to me it is bigotry. It'd be like saying something is "a bunch of nigger bullshit" or etc. It's completely different from saying fuck. |
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10-19-2005, 05:25 PM | #69 | |
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10-19-2005, 05:28 PM | #70 | |
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10-19-2005, 05:29 PM | #71 | |
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Just that people around me don't describe a homosexual as gay. Gay has replaced stupid or dumb. Pretty much how happy gay became homosexual gay.
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10-19-2005, 05:41 PM | #72 | |
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bigot: One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ. (dictionary.com) To me, a bigot is based off of beliefs. You can get a clue to those beliefs when using certain words in context (the biggest bigots are usually much more straightforward, though), but to me, when someone says "That's gay" or "That's retarded", they are just using slang. You may not not like the slang word, and that's fine. But to make a blanket statement that a person is a bigot for using that slang word is a bit strong. And I'll point out that the person who turned me on to using the phrase as much as I do was a lesbian I was friends with in college. She used it all the time (and obviously had no problem with me using it). But I can't say the some for "that's retarded". I didn't get that from a retarded person. |
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10-19-2005, 05:59 PM | #73 | |
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10-19-2005, 06:23 PM | #74 |
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And QS is 100% wrong on this. Calling someone such a strong word as bigot because you don't like the slang they use is the very definition of intolerance, and it's a shame that otherwise sensible people are unable or unwilling to see that.
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10-19-2005, 06:39 PM | #75 |
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10-19-2005, 06:58 PM | #77 |
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Do some people who use the term mean it in a bigoted way? Absolutely.
Do some people use it completely free of malicious intent? Absolutely. I find myself using it occasionally, and in my mind is synonym for "lame" or "corny." Now I don't feel great about using it, but i don't think it's necesarily wrong... it boils down to intent. Helping blur things for me personally is the fact that I have a few gay friends who use the term in the same way. One of them is such a guy's guy that anyone and everyone would always be really surprised to find out his sexual orientation. One of the reasons most people wouldn't know is that he is pretty critical of things that are "gay" in the main-stream way (overly fashionable young men, talking with the "gay voice," etc.. ). :shrug: |
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Not to blur things even more, but I think some of what you believe about homosexuality plays a part as well. For instance, I believe it is a choice, not something that you are "born" with. In that respect, I think there is an obvious difference between being born with something (like race or some other type of handicap) and something that you choose to do.
I suppose the same thing could be said about obese people...although that could actually be a glandular problem in some aspects. I think that that is a closer analogy to homosexuality, as some people are "meant" to be that way and others (probably the majority) choose to be that way. My two cents. |
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Huh? What "age bracket" is this? And are you really saying "fag" is a preferred term?
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10-19-2005, 07:46 PM | #80 | |
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I don't imagine that will blur things too much, seems as how it's not even remotely on topic. but I'm glad you were able to find another thread to add this to. Do you have this saved somewhere and just copy and paste wherever you think you might be able to fit it in?
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My ten year old daughter uses it all the time despite my efforts (or maybe because of ) to stop her. A pity because the Australian term "dag" or "daggie" with it's association with a sheep's backside is much more appropriate
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Fag or homo, yes. High school to college age is all I can speak for. |
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10-19-2005, 08:05 PM | #84 |
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Not speaking for illinifan, but I don't think he was saying that it's a preferred term, just that in his age group and region, fag is associated with homosexuality, good or bad. While the word gay is not. |
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What he said. No one in my school uses the word gay to describe a homosexual. It's either fag or homo(sexual).
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Does anyone else find anything wrong with this? I go back to what I said before... "society" would never let the word black or jew replace the word stupid because we know that's wrong. But if it's gay... so what...
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I find it offensive, despite many not seeing it as not referncing homosexuals, because, being a derogatory term, you can't help but feel that:
1) it was originally chosen for homophobic reasons 2) it's popularity is partly due to its appeal to homophobes and denied or clandestine homophobia 3) it allows some to express homophobic sentiments without appearing to be homophobic The mutation of the word "gay" from happy to homosexual to stupid would make a good PhD subect.
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So you have to hate gay people to say "that's gay"? Give me a break. |
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I agree. Like I said before, I use that term on very rare occasions, but I do use it. And I have a cousin who is gay, an aunt who is gay, and a future bro-in-law who is gay...and I love them no matter what.
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10-19-2005, 10:12 PM | #92 | |
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I mean no disrespect, but it took me a few seconds to understand the gay brother-in-law (since all my in laws are the spouses of my brothers/sisters). |
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LOL!
Yeah, my lovely lady's brother is gay. I'm not going to marry a guy...and I don't think they allow that in Texas anyways...
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No, not everybody who uses this expression is necessarily a 'homophobe.' But everybody who uses this expression sounds like an uneducated fool.
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10-19-2005, 10:59 PM | #96 | |
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Now that I can accept. See, I get to say "That's gay" and you get to say I'm an uneducated fool. I think that's a fair trade off. |
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Glad it's over with, it was quite gay. |
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You sound like an uneducated fool. |
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Aha Dutch - the "intellect" (or lack thereof) who thinks homosexuality is a pre-cursor to bestiality. I suppose you have no problem with the n-word then ?
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