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Another question is, should tasers be used on people who cost their team a national championship with a pass interference penalty?
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dola- Police also have a right to protect themselves. Someone flees from a car during a traffic stop police are trained to assume the worst and act accordingly. That act is to apprehend the person with as little harm as possible.
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Well it looks like it happened April 10th so I guess some back research on what the kid's disability was are probably covered in a Detriot newspaper at some point between then and now. Can't say I am interested enough to dig it up but I would be interested if someone else did. This does smell fishy like the disability is a red herring.
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I AGREE. I have said as much like 3 times here. I just get tired of the whole blame whoever isn't the police, instead of just saying that it's sad and not laying blame until more facts come out. Of course the family is wrong for calling it murder, but I guess it's an understandable emotional response. Maybe after they have a chance to cool down, they'll be more reasonable. Probably not, but hopefully. Sorry if I thought you implied something you didn't. I just get annoyed by these threads. They're very predictable.
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Not very well I'm afraid, other a comment by the family “Robert was shy. He was learning disabled and he tried to stay in school but he wasn’t learning anything and he couldn’t get along with the children because he couldn’t keep up in class,” McGlory said. “He was sort of home schooled Another article mentioned that he was on medication for ADD and a comment by family members that he may have had asthma. I've went through at least a half dozen articles from three different papers & found nothing that really spelled out the supposed disability beyond that. Actually, there's relatively little on the story outside of various blogs until the protests & lawsuits began. Of course their "coverage" and the subsequent CNN stories omit a number of details that show up in the original articles, like the fact that he ditched a bag when exiting the vehicle (witnesses say it was picked up by a passer-by), or that he ditched his jacket while fleeing, or that he became combative when officers were trying to pat him down. Instead we're treated to vague assertions about an alleged learning disability because that makes a better headline.
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Or just put away the tasers & go back to conventional firearms.
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I don't think this sells papers. Although I have to credit the editor with not going with something like "Pigs Roast Retard".
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If cops can't subdue and handcuff a 5'2 110-pound disabled kid without a taser, they should not be cops. I have no problem with tasers being used in certain situations, but what kind of fucking pussies do you have on your force if they couldn't subdue a kid that size?
And I'm not trashing the cops for what happened. Tasers rarely kill. I just don't see how they had trouble arresting a kid that size. Last edited by RainMaker : 06-01-2009 at 02:50 PM. |
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You know what else hasn't been mentioned in any of the stories past the initial ones in April? The results of the toxicology tests that were being conducted with those being due back within a couple of weeks at the time.
Seems like those would be of some interest to the story one way or another.
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That brings up another way tasers make law enforcement safer. Sure, cops could definitly subdue almost anyone eventually, but very often the suspect is injured in that melee. A taser is quick and clean, and in general, harmless. The injury/death rate is very low, though can always be improved. Last edited by molson : 06-01-2009 at 03:16 PM. |
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1. I agree that "learning disabled" is deliberate language that does not say "mendically handicapped" 2. I have to stick up for Noop here. I was ready to be all firey toward him until I saw his second post. I think he was truly just trying to discuss tasers, not whether the police were justified here. On that note, I think until there is a better alternative, the choice is currently a taser or a gun. Feel free to find a study on which is more lethal.
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But the article doesn't make it seem like they thought he had a gun. They attempted to arrest him normally and he resisted. They tasered him as a last resort. I just don't know how a kid that size could succesfully resist arrest from police officers.
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Police always assume someone has a weapon.
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Resisting arrest and he's 5'2", 110lbs... Does that mean he said no to being arrested and just ran, or did they have their hands on him and he somehow got away? I'd think being that small, how the hell does he get away?
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The initial round of news stories indicated that he became combative & assaulted officers when they started to pat him down after he was caught inside the abandoned house.
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What's interesting is that in a recent SCOTUS case, Brendlin v. California, law endorcement tried to argue that passengers were free to walk away from a traffic stop. They made this argument because the search on the driver was ruled unconsitutional, but they still wanted to get the evidence collected from a passenger, saying it was a separate search because the person was free to walk away.
I'm glad the SCOTUS found that to be an assinine argument in their 9-0 decision, but it was pretty ironic to see law enforcement make that argument.
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Making a safer taser would be one positive step. Another step would be not to use ANY weapon unless there is a good possibility of needing self defense or the defense of others. I am sorry, but if a skinny scared looking kid is running away from a non-felony stop, you don't use ANY weapon to make the situation more convenient for you as a police officer. That's the biggest problem with police misusing the taser, they use it as a get out of the situation crutch. And sometimes, people die because of it. |
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What is a "non-leathal" weapon? A slinky?
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But nothing is foolproof. People die while under anesthesia for routine dental work. Better idea: don't run from the po-po, don't resist arrest, and you're a hell of a lot less likely to find yourself on the business end of a taser. Cause of death in this instance isn't a taser, it's the misconduct of the deceased.
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Something that won't kill you if used.
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I am not talking about playing nice, I am talking about playing smart. There is no reason to use weapons on a non-felony runaway, especially if the weapon can potentially cause serious injury or death. As someone who had his father beaten to the ground and arrested for resisting because he was having an insulin reaction (he didn't do anything wrong at first except look suspicious, because of the reaction), I know that things can often be not as they seem. *We didn't sue the officers or anything, they apologized for not noticing his medic alert necklace. Just that shit happens, who knows if the next kid/adult that is tased and killed for running away from a non serious incident is going through something that can inhibit rational though. Last edited by Tigercat : 06-01-2009 at 04:20 PM. |
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Sorry, but once you attempt to evade, "non-serious" is over.
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Whatever happened to those guns that shot non-lethal bullets?
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