The 2016 College Football Coaching Carousel Thread - Page 2

Umbrella · 11-29-2016, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CrescentMoonie

How much of a hot seat is Todd Graham on?

As an ASU alum, I can tell you his seat is pretty hot, but he's not going anywhere. There's too much money sunk in the stadium renovation right now, and we can't afford the buyout.

However, my guess would be anything short of 8 wins next year, and he's gone.

MrBug708 · 11-29-2016, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I am a "cradle Catholic" (although now non-practicing), and I never blinked at anyone calling me Christian rather than Catholic. And no one among my very Catholic Irish and Polish sides of the family cared either. Or friends.

I have heard of people wanting to be more specifically described as Catholic rather than just Christian, but to not even see themselves as Christians? Never heard that anywhere, and I know hundreds of Catholics.

Me neither. Catholics obviously consider themselves Christian, they just use the distinction of Catholic.

I looked At Notre Dame's mission statement and they mention Catholic 13 times and Christian one time. They absolutely what the distinction of being known as Catholic and I saw the statement as such. Nothing nefarious about it.

ISiddiqui · 11-29-2016, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

I looked At Notre Dame's mission statement and they mention Catholic 13 times and Christian one time. They absolutely what the distinction of being known as Catholic and I saw the statement as such. Nothing nefarious about it.

I don't think that means as much as you think it does. Look at Baylor's mission statement and notice they mention "Baptist" more than they mention "Christian" (and I'd say that they'd have to mention "Christian" history over "Baptist" history because Baptist history is a merely few hundred years old

).

Baylor University || About Baylor || Mission

Logan · 11-29-2016, 03:50 PM

Speaking of Baylor, Morris to Baylor seems to be losing momentum...

MrBug708 · 11-29-2016, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

I don't think that means as much as you think it does. Look at Baylor's mission statement and notice they mention "Baptist" more than they mention "Christian" (and I'd say that they'd have to mention "Christian" history over "Baptist" history because Baptist history is a merely few hundred years old

).

Baylor University || About Baylor || Mission

I don't have a problem with more specific labels like Catholicism or Baptist.

Which branch does Liberty use? Since it was specifically about Liberty vs notre dame? Did Baylor have a comment about it as well?

Purpose & Mission Statement | About Liberty | Liberty University

Eaglesfan27 · 11-29-2016, 09:12 PM

Oregon has fired Mark Helfrich.

CU Tiger · 11-29-2016, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Fwiw, the internal sorry is that certain terms were agreed to between Baylor and Chad Morris, however when the formal contact was sent to his agent the allegedly agreed upon contingencies were conspicuously absent.

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Originally Posted by Logan

Speaking of Baylor, Morris to Baylor seems to be losing momentum...

Fyi

dawgfan · 11-29-2016, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Oregon has fired Mark Helfrich.

It's since been edited, but check out the initial press release from the school:

Jeez, this Oregon press release just throws Helfrich under the bus over the last 4 paragraphs. Don't let the door .. https://t.co/Dyb9BvKa3X pic.twitter.com/sIzi0d9z9j
— Stewart Mandel (@slmandel) November 30, 2016

bhlloy · 11-29-2016, 10:14 PM

To be fair, not recruiting a QB after Mariota and relying on a pair of transfers is bizarre and a completely fireable offense. There's no way they weren't automatically in the top three for any dual threat QB anywhere west of the Mississippi during that time

MrBug708 · 11-29-2016, 10:17 PM

They recruited QBS, they were just terrible choices

bhlloy · 11-29-2016, 10:19 PM

Which is much better because?

MrBug708 · 11-29-2016, 10:47 PM

They tried?

vex · 11-29-2016, 10:52 PM

Hearing that Oregon is looking at Fleck and OU OC Lincoln Riley.

Dr. Sak · 11-30-2016, 07:14 AM

Not to derail the coaching threat with religious talk but my father-in-law is an Independent Baptist and I am Catholic. Liberty University's roots came from Independent Baptists. To this day I'm not sure he thinks I am Christian and they have a unique view of what they think Catholics believe in. I'll leave it at that...

cuervo72 · 11-30-2016, 07:50 AM

Yep - my wife grew up Baptist/Presbyterian. I think the Catholics might be a little too "Cult of Mary" for them.

("Why do they worship Mary? Christianity is the worship of Jesus, not Mary. Mary was just a vessel.")

MrBug708 · 11-30-2016, 08:17 AM

Baylor has looked at 7-17 Morris and now 19-30 Sonny Dykes. Do they really want coaches that mediocre?

dawgfan · 11-30-2016, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Baylor has looked at 7-17 Morris and now 19-30 Sonny Dykes. Do they really want coaches that mediocre?

I don't get the love for Dykes either. If your goal is a pass-heavy offense that only works against mediocre or worse teams, go for it. If you want to win your conference and be relevant on the national stage, what are you doing considering Dykes?

Logan · 11-30-2016, 10:27 AM

I have to assume the AD issues are limiting their potential pool of candidates. Morris would be a HR all things considered.

CrescentMoonie · 11-30-2016, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Baylor has looked at 7-17 Morris and now 19-30 Sonny Dykes. Do they really want coaches that mediocre?

With so much uncertainty about potential punishments still around the program, what good coach would go there?

CU Tiger · 11-30-2016, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Baylor has looked at 7-17 Morris and now 19-30 Sonny Dykes. Do they really want coaches that mediocre?

Morris has been at SMU 2 seasons.
The year before he arrived they won 1 game got blown out in every other game and he took over a team with ZERO commits in January.

This year he has won 6 games including 2 over top 25 schools.

Morris would be a homerun hire for Baylor. SMU is opening the checkbook to keep him home in Dallas.

Logan · 11-30-2016, 02:02 PM

I also assume that if Morris was still at Clemson and had no HC experience, he would still be considered a HR hire for Baylor given all that has gone on.

Having him spend a couple years just learning from being a HC on his own is icing on the cake, results be damned (although as CU mentions, results are relatively good).

Atocep · 11-30-2016, 09:09 PM

Holgorsen and WVU have agreed to an extension. Should be announced sometime next week.

INDalltheway · 12-01-2016, 01:43 PM

Purdue looking to make an announcement Monday. Word is that it's down to PJ Fleck, Jeff Brohm, and Troy Calhoun. I am hoping for either of the first two listed, but I've heard good things about all 3.

Young Drachma · 12-01-2016, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by INDalltheway

Purdue looking to make an announcement Monday. Word is that it's down to PJ Fleck, Jeff Brohm, and Troy Calhoun. I am hoping for either of the first two listed, but I've heard good things about all 3.

Glad they didn't take Wyoming's coach. Hope Fleck doesn't take the bait, feel like he can get a better job if he holds on. Calhoun might be tired of recruiting at USAFA.

dawgfan · 12-01-2016, 02:12 PM

Sounds like Wilson is out at Indiana.

CrescentMoonie · 12-01-2016, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dawgfan

Sounds like Wilson is out at Indiana.

Why would they do that?

bronconick · 12-01-2016, 02:16 PM

It's either something shady or they're idiots.

Butter · 12-01-2016, 02:18 PM

He just got signed to an extension until 2021 after last season? Where is this buyout money coming from?

Logan · 12-01-2016, 02:20 PM

Has to either be something off the field or they had a monster candidate fall into their laps that they couldn't say no to. I'd guess the former.

Believe that's a quicker extension to firing than Rutgers had with Flood.

Kodos · 12-01-2016, 02:22 PM

Report: IU to dismiss Kevin Wilson

What the hell? They better have a damn good reason...

Logan · 12-01-2016, 02:25 PM

Kevin Wilson fired as Indiana football coach during bowl-eligible season - SBNation.com

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Indiana is firing head football coach Kevin Wilson during his sixth season, an IU source confirmed to SB Nation on Thursday, amid “repeated clashes with administration.” The Indianapolis Star was first to report the firing and said a press conference was to come Thursday night.

Those better be some serious clashes.

Kodos · 12-01-2016, 02:27 PM

Kevin Wilson fired as Indiana football coach during bowl-eligible season - SBNation.com

Unbelievable. Just when the program was really turning the corner. This is devastating. IU football is by far my favorite team in any sport. I don't want to go back to doormat status.

bronconick · 12-01-2016, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

Kevin Wilson fired as Indiana football coach during bowl-eligible season - SBNation.com

Those better be some serious clashes.

Wilson was mocking Crean's bitchface, I bet.

bronconick · 12-01-2016, 02:38 PM

Mark SchlabachVerified account
‏@Mark_Schlabach
Former Indiana player told ESPN on Thursday that he & at least 5 other IU players interviewed about Wilson’s treatment of players

Well, there's the "shady."

vex · 12-01-2016, 02:38 PM

Trump should have been saving Wilson's job, apparently.

Logan · 12-01-2016, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bronconick

Mark SchlabachVerified account
‏@Mark_Schlabach
Former Indiana player told ESPN on Thursday that he & at least 5 other IU players interviewed about Wilson’s treatment of players

Well, there's the "shady."

Didn't Diamont just quit because of health concerns? Wonder if there's a link.

Kodos · 12-01-2016, 02:48 PM

Report: Indiana fires head coach Kevin Wilson | SI.com

cartman · 12-01-2016, 02:49 PM

Bring back Coach Lee Corso!

Kodos · 12-01-2016, 02:50 PM

Mark Schlabach on Twitter: "Former IU player suffered concussion in practice b4 '15 season. His father said son was rushed back to workouts & symptoms went "haywire""

Might be Diamont, yes. He did say he was quitting after the season.

Kodos · 12-01-2016, 02:56 PM

Dominique Booth
‏@3rzns
Won't be able to hold my tongue much longer

Brody Miller ‏@byBrodyMiller 4m4 minutes ago
Smith says team told him he had bruise in back. He went to a doctor and was told it was a blood clot. Wilson still pressured to play #ifub
0 replies 29 retweets 4 likes

Brody Miller
‏@byBrodyMiller
Former IU player Laray Smith tells the IDS that Wilson forced players to play through injuries #iufb

Kodos · 12-01-2016, 03:03 PM

Welp, if this stuff about forcing injured players to play is true, then IU is making the right call. I sure hope they promote Tom Allen to HC in his place.

Logan · 12-01-2016, 03:06 PM

That back bruise/blood clot stuff is horrific, if true.

And probably a good reason why that Harvard study advocated for NFL medical staffs to be fully independent vs team-owned.

Kodos · 12-01-2016, 03:12 PM

From an IU board:

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Hey guys, been running around town and making some calls/texts, and this certainly appears to be related to the mistreatment of players, specifically as it pertains to injuries. Players were told to play through injuries and were apparently even told not to talk to trainers, one source said.

Dominique Booth appears to be at the center of this. His IU career was cut short due to injuries and he's been releasing his story the past couple days via Twitter.

Kodos · 12-01-2016, 03:20 PM

More.

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It sounds like Diamont's comments last week about concussions and needing his brain, all that stuff, inspired IU to look into Wilson's approach to injured players.

Some interesting thoughts from a former Wilson player:

[blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"][p lang="en" dir="ltr"]Kevin Wilson once ripped my buckled helmet off my head, spit on my jersey, & punched me in chest during practice.[br][br]But the guy could coach.[/p]— Gabe Ikard (@GabeIkard) [a href="https://twitter.com/GabeIkard/status/804429644200050688"]December 1, 2016[/a][/blockquote]

[blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"][p lang="en" dir="ltr"]That being said...Kevin Wilson got the absolute most out of his players. I will forever be indebted to him for teaching me what it took.[/p]— Gabe Ikard (@GabeIkard) [a href="https://twitter.com/GabeIkard/status/804430788049698816"]December 1, 2016[/a][/blockquote]

[blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"][p lang="en" dir="ltr"]Kevin Wilson was just old school. Maximum effort/toughness or you don't play for him. Unreal intensity & candor. Not for the thin skinned.[/p]— Gabe Ikard (@GabeIkard) [a href="https://twitter.com/GabeIkard/status/804432732948467712"]December 1, 2016[/a][/blockquote]

CrescentMoonie · 12-01-2016, 03:50 PM

If any one of those incidents is true, good on IU for firing him.

JonInMiddleGA · 12-01-2016, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CrescentMoonie

If any one of those incidents is true, good on IU for firing him.

And if they aren't, I hope he ends up owning a state university.

Kodos · 12-01-2016, 04:32 PM

Sounds like Tom Allen will be interim coach and they are working on a contract to make him permanent HC.

Kodos · 12-01-2016, 06:23 PM

247Sports

Tom Allen has been announced as the permanent head coach after Coach Wilson resigned.

MrBug708 · 12-01-2016, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

And if they aren't, I hope he ends up owning a state university.

I'd imagine he'd just get his buyout amount

Kodos · 12-01-2016, 07:10 PM

He gets one year of base pay. $542,000 was the number, I think. It seems like they had Wilson with a fireable offense, and offered him a way to get out without being fired.

Very happy with the Allen promotion. Strange day.

11-29-2016, 09:12 PM	#56
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	Oregon has fired Mark Helfrich. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

11-30-2016, 07:50 AM	#65
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Yep - my wife grew up Baptist/Presbyterian. I think the Catholics might be a little too "Cult of Mary" for them. ("Why do they worship Mary? Christianity is the worship of Jesus, not Mary. Mary was just a vessel.") __________________ null

12-01-2016, 02:18 PM	#78
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	He just got signed to an extension until 2021 after last season? Where is this buyout money coming from? __________________ My listening habits

12-01-2016, 02:22 PM	#80
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Report: IU to dismiss Kevin Wilson What the hell? They better have a damn good reason... __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties. Last edited by Kodos : 12-01-2016 at 02:23 PM.

12-01-2016, 02:27 PM	#82
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Kevin Wilson fired as Indiana football coach during bowl-eligible season - SBNation.com Unbelievable. Just when the program was really turning the corner. This is devastating. IU football is by far my favorite team in any sport. I don't want to go back to doormat status. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

11-29-2016, 03:50 PM	#54
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Speaking of Baylor, Morris to Baylor seems to be losing momentum...

11-29-2016, 10:14 PM	#59
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	To be fair, not recruiting a QB after Mariota and relying on a pair of transfers is bizarre and a completely fireable offense. There's no way they weren't automatically in the top three for any dual threat QB anywhere west of the Mississippi during that time

11-29-2016, 10:17 PM	#60
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	They recruited QBS, they were just terrible choices

11-29-2016, 10:19 PM	#61
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	Which is much better because?

11-29-2016, 10:47 PM	#62
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	They tried?

11-29-2016, 10:52 PM	#63
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	Hearing that Oregon is looking at Fleck and OU OC Lincoln Riley.

11-30-2016, 07:14 AM	#64
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	Not to derail the coaching threat with religious talk but my father-in-law is an Independent Baptist and I am Catholic. Liberty University's roots came from Independent Baptists. To this day I'm not sure he thinks I am Christian and they have a unique view of what they think Catholics believe in. I'll leave it at that...

11-30-2016, 08:17 AM	#66
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Baylor has looked at 7-17 Morris and now 19-30 Sonny Dykes. Do they really want coaches that mediocre?

11-30-2016, 10:27 AM	#68
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	I have to assume the AD issues are limiting their potential pool of candidates. Morris would be a HR all things considered.

11-30-2016, 02:02 PM	#71
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	I also assume that if Morris was still at Clemson and had no HC experience, he would still be considered a HR hire for Baylor given all that has gone on. Having him spend a couple years just learning from being a HC on his own is icing on the cake, results be damned (although as CU mentions, results are relatively good).

11-30-2016, 09:09 PM	#72
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	Holgorsen and WVU have agreed to an extension. Should be announced sometime next week.

12-01-2016, 01:43 PM	#73
INDalltheway College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Chicago	Purdue looking to make an announcement Monday. Word is that it's down to PJ Fleck, Jeff Brohm, and Troy Calhoun. I am hoping for either of the first two listed, but I've heard good things about all 3.

12-01-2016, 02:12 PM	#75
dawgfan Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Seattle	Sounds like Wilson is out at Indiana.

12-01-2016, 02:16 PM	#77
bronconick College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kalamazoo, MI	It's either something shady or they're idiots.

12-01-2016, 02:20 PM	#79
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Has to either be something off the field or they had a monster candidate fall into their laps that they couldn't say no to. I'd guess the former. Believe that's a quicker extension to firing than Rutgers had with Flood.

12-01-2016, 02:38 PM	#84
bronconick College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kalamazoo, MI	Mark SchlabachVerified account ‏@Mark_Schlabach Former Indiana player told ESPN on Thursday that he & at least 5 other IU players interviewed about Wilson’s treatment of players Well, there's the "shady."

12-01-2016, 02:48 PM	#87
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Report: Indiana fires head coach Kevin Wilson \| SI.com __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

12-01-2016, 02:49 PM	#88
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Bring back Coach Lee Corso! __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

12-01-2016, 02:50 PM	#89
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Mark Schlabach on Twitter: "Former IU player suffered concussion in practice b4 '15 season. His father said son was rushed back to workouts & symptoms went "haywire"" Might be Diamont, yes. He did say he was quitting after the season. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

12-01-2016, 02:56 PM	#90
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Dominique Booth ‏@3rzns Won't be able to hold my tongue much longer Brody Miller ‏@byBrodyMiller 4m4 minutes ago Smith says team told him he had bruise in back. He went to a doctor and was told it was a blood clot. Wilson still pressured to play #ifub 0 replies 29 retweets 4 likes Brody Miller ‏@byBrodyMiller Former IU player Laray Smith tells the IDS that Wilson forced players to play through injuries #iufb __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

12-01-2016, 03:03 PM	#91
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Welp, if this stuff about forcing injured players to play is true, then IU is making the right call. I sure hope they promote Tom Allen to HC in his place. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

12-01-2016, 03:06 PM	#92
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	That back bruise/blood clot stuff is horrific, if true. And probably a good reason why that Harvard study advocated for NFL medical staffs to be fully independent vs team-owned.

12-01-2016, 03:50 PM	#95
CrescentMoonie College Starter Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Earth, the semi-final frontier.	If any one of those incidents is true, good on IU for firing him. Last edited by CrescentMoonie : 12-01-2016 at 03:50 PM.

12-01-2016, 04:32 PM	#97
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Sounds like Tom Allen will be interim coach and they are working on a contract to make him permanent HC. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

12-01-2016, 06:23 PM	#98
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	247Sports Tom Allen has been announced as the permanent head coach after Coach Wilson resigned. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

12-01-2016, 07:10 PM	#100
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	He gets one year of base pay. $542,000 was the number, I think. It seems like they had Wilson with a fireable offense, and offered him a way to get out without being fired. Very happy with the Allen promotion. Strange day. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties. Last edited by Kodos : 12-01-2016 at 08:20 PM.

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