Jesus is Love. Allah is Not. - Page 2

Tigercat · 08-13-2009, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

Here is a site comparing the Karan to the Bible. Its a good place to start.

hxxp://www.dianedew.com/islam.htm

Jesus has one law. That law is Love. Its really that simple. If you Love others and serve others, you are being Christ-like. God wants us to be like Jesus Christ.

Allah is not about Love. Allah wants to win. Allah wants a man of Islam to be a dominant being over all others. And if it takes killing an unbeliever, so be it. If you die killing an unbeliever you go to the garden of paradise.

These are opposing views and shows the reason for conflict in the Middle East as well as their hatred for us.

Are you loving and serving others by speaking only in negative generalities of an offshoot of Christianity? (Which Islam is, even if you refuse to accept it.)

If you truly believe in the message of love and respect given to us by Jesus, maybe you shouldn't be so quick to completely condemn a whole religion as Islamic extremists would condemn all of Western civilization. Just my two cents.

lungs · 08-13-2009, 11:44 PM

[3.31] Say: If you love Allah, then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your faults, and Allah is Forgiving, MercifuL

[3.57] And as to those who believe and do good deeds, He will pay them fully their rewards; and Allah does not love the unjust.

[3.119] Lo! you are they who will love them while they do not love you

[3.148] So Allah gave them the reward of this world and better reward of the hereafter and Allah loves those who do good (to others).

[3.159] Thus it is due to mercy from Allah that you deal with them gently, and had you been rough, hard hearted, they would certainly have dispersed from around you; pardon them therefore and ask pardon for them, and take counsel with them in the affair; so when you have decided, then place your trust in Allah; surely Allah loves those who trust.

19.96] Surely (as for) those who believe and do good deeds for t them will Allah bring about love.

[24.22] And let not those of you who possess grace and abundance swear against giving to the near of kin and the poor and those who have fled in Allah's way, and they should pardon and turn away. Do you not love that Allah should forgive you? And Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

[42.23] That is of which Allah gives the good news to His servants, (to) those who believe and do good deeds. Say: I do not ask of you any reward for it but love for my near relatives; and whoever earns good, We give him more of good therein; surely Allah is Forgiving, Grateful.

[60.8] Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of (your) religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice.

tarcone · 08-13-2009, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

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Egyptians, Chinese, Persians (now Iranians), Greeks...

Jews got a raw ass deal. Their god sucks

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Hitites, Assyrians, Chaldeans, Babylonians.

The Jews got a great deal. They are still alive and are the Chosen people.

Noop · 08-13-2009, 11:45 PM

So no answer to my question and the Jews are not the chosen despite what is written in the bible.

Groundhog · 08-13-2009, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

Hitites, Assyrians, Chaldeans, Babylonians.

The Jews got a great deal. They are still alive and are the Chosen people.

And they are still going to hell, right?

tarcone · 08-13-2009, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

Are we once saved or always saved?

When Jesus prayed who did he pray too? Assuming that Jesus was God in the flesh.

If God can see the past and future doesn't that eliminate free will? And if there is no free will then things like suffering are a product of God's will.

I can go for days.

I dont know about some of these things.
But God gave us free will. He allows us to choose our own path.

tarcone · 08-13-2009, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

And they are still going to hell, right?

God made a covenant with the Jews to protect them. If they dont follow Gods word, then I assume they will go to Hell. But I really dont know the sure answer to this.

Noop · 08-13-2009, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

I dont know about some of these things.
But God gave us free will. He allows us to choose our own path.

That is a logical fallacy.

Groundhog · 08-13-2009, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

God made a covenant with the Jews to protect them. If they dont follow Gods word, then I assume they will go to Hell. But I really dont know the sure answer to this.

As a Christian you know the answer to this question.

tarcone · 08-13-2009, 11:53 PM

On Eternal Judgment

Z Islam Teaches...

On Paradise:

Those who kill or are killed by unbelievers will return to the garden of Paradise (Koran 9:111), where they will enjoy many lustful pleasures - sex with virgins, pleasant food and drink, etc.:

* "They shall recline on jeweled couches face to face, and there shall wait on them immortal youths with bowls and ewers and a cup of purest wine... with fruits of their own choice and flesh of fowls that they relish. And theirs shall be the dark-eyes houris (celestial virgins), chaste as hidden pearls: a guerdon for their deeds." (Koran 56:15)
* "pure beautiful ones... goodly things, beautiful ones, pure ones confined to the pavilions that man has not touched them before..." (Koran 56:54, 67-71)
'

† Christianity Teaches...

On Heaven:

Those who have believed on the Lord Jesus Christ and submitted their lives to his Lordship will enjoy eternal bliss in heaven, where there will be no pain or sorrow, no disease or death.

tarcone · 08-13-2009, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

As a Christian you know the answer to this question.

Your right. If they dont follow The Word they go to Hell.

tarcone · 08-13-2009, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

That is a logical fallacy.

How is this logical fallacy?

Neon_Chaos · 08-13-2009, 11:55 PM

Anyone watch Religulous yet?

Groundhog · 08-13-2009, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

Your right. If they dont follow The Word they go to Hell.

Then I guess they really aren't god's chosen.

tarcone · 08-13-2009, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

Then I guess they really aren't god's chosen.

Why? Because some Jews choose to sin the whole group goes to Hell?

And maybe your right in the sense that they will go to Heavan, but they will miss out on the Rapture and live through tribulation.
So I guess Im wrong. they will go to Heavan after the tribulaton.
Somewhat like, I imagine, when Moses delivered them. Not saying they went to Heavan or Hell, but they were saved. When they gave themselves to God again.

dawgfan · 08-13-2009, 11:58 PM

larrymcg421 · 08-13-2009, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Do you think Jesus wants you to make assumptions about someone else's religious beliefs? Do you think that entices people toward Christianity or does it reinforce that judgmental stereotype that turns many people away?

Never got an answer on this.

lungs · 08-13-2009, 11:59 PM

The title of this thread is "Jesus is Love. Allah is Not." After a quick search of the Koran I've found plenty of verses that show Allah does indeed love.

Now, like any religion you can find plenty of things in each to make the other look bad. It's all in the interpretation and the actions of the reader. There are millions of good people that worship both religions and there are plenty of bad people that take the words and distort them into evil from each religion.

Trying to say my religion is better than yours is just ridiculous.

Noop · 08-14-2009, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

How is this logical fallacy?

How can you have free will when God already knows what's going to happen?

tarcone · 08-14-2009, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Noop

How can you have free will when God already knows what's going to happen?

Do you know whats going to heppen? Thats your path to where you end up, regardless if God knows or not. And He does.

Izulde · 08-14-2009, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by lungs

The title of this thread is "Jesus is Love. Allah is Not." After a quick search of the Koran I've found plenty of verses that show Allah does indeed love.

Now, like any religion you can find plenty of things in each to make the other look bad. It's all in the interpretation and the actions of the reader. There are millions of good people that worship both religions and there are plenty of bad people that take the words and distort them into evil from each religion.

Trying to say my religion is better than yours is just ridiculous.

You know, I thought about going and getting my Koran to do what you did, but you covered it, so that works.

Groundhog · 08-14-2009, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

Why? Because some Jews choose to sin the whole group goes to Hell?

Jews by definition are Jewish. They don't believe Jesus was the son of God/God or whatever. So yeah, they are going to hell according to your faith.

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And maybe your right in the sense that they will go to Heavan, but they will miss out on the Rapture and live through tribulation.
So I guess Im wrong. they will go to Heavan after the tribulaton.
Somewhat, I imagine, when Moses delivered them. Not saying they went to Heavan or Hell, but they were saved.

I'm right? I don't think Jews are going to heaven. I don't think anyone is going to "heaven". I just found your glowing talk of the Jews to be rather odd, like seeing a Muslim call Jews the chosen people.

ISiddiqui · 08-14-2009, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

Hitites, Assyrians, Chaldeans, Babylonians.

The Jews got a great deal. They are still alive and are the Chosen people.

.... uh, so basically since some civilizations at the time don't exist anymore (AS HAPPENS THROUGHOUT HISTORY - ask Kazan or Prussia), the Jews got a great deal?

WTF? So the Chinese, the Egyptians, etc, not just are still alive, but had a far, far greater history than the Jews.

Way to be chosen people; with an asshole god like that, who'd want to follow him?

tarcone · 08-14-2009, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Do you think Jesus wants you to make assumptions about someone else's religious beliefs? Do you think that entices people toward Christianity or does it reinforce that judgmental stereotype that turns many people away?

The Bible is the Truth.

Jesus wants me to pray for non-believers, to pray, care and share.
I know people will be turned away. It saddens me and I pray one day they find Jesus Christ. I am not judging. It is not my place to judge others. When I said Allah preaches that it is okay to murder. This is not about Love.

lungs · 08-14-2009, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Izulde

You know, I thought about going and getting my Koran to do what you did, but you covered it, so that works.

And note the non-response from tarcone

Neon_Chaos · 08-14-2009, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

The Bible is the Truth.

Your thread just failed. I'm out.

JediKooter · 08-14-2009, 12:11 AM

Oh boy...I'm sure this is Kathy Griffin's fault!!

tarcone · 08-14-2009, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

Jews by definition are Jewish. They don't believe Jesus was the son of God/God or whatever. So yeah, they are going to hell according to your faith.

I'm right? I don't think Jews are going to heaven. I don't think anyone is going to "heaven". I just found your glowing talk of the Jews to be rather odd, like seeing a Muslim call Jews the chosen people.

The Romans killed Jesus. And it was Gods plan that Jesus die for our sins. Jesus was Jewish. God begot Jesus to Jewish parents.

tarcone · 08-14-2009, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by lungs

The title of this thread is "Jesus is Love. Allah is Not." After a quick search of the Koran I've found plenty of verses that show Allah does indeed love.

Now, like any religion you can find plenty of things in each to make the other look bad. It's all in the interpretation and the actions of the reader. There are millions of good people that worship both religions and there are plenty of bad people that take the words and distort them into evil from each religion.

Trying to say my religion is better than yours is just ridiculous.

Sure, but in the Koran it preaches that murder is okay. No distortion.

Groundhog · 08-14-2009, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

The Bible is the Truth.

According to you. More than half of the world would disagree.

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I am not judging. It is not my place to judge others.

...followed up by:

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When I said Allah preaches that it is okay to murder. This is not about Love.

lungs already addressed this, but hey:

Luke 19:27 - But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Sounds like Allah and Jesus would get along just fine!

tarcone · 08-14-2009, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by lungs

And note the non-response from tarcone

Im not that fast a typer and there is tons of discussion going. Im trying.

Jughead Spock · 08-14-2009, 12:14 AM

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And it was Gods plan that Jesus die for our sins.

So murder was ok as long as it was his son (and plan)?

lungs · 08-14-2009, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

Sure, but in the Koran it preaches that murder is okay. No distortion.

And a verse from the Bible was just pointed out that says it's OK to murder too.

ISiddiqui · 08-14-2009, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

Luke 19:27 - But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Pwnage

Groundhog · 08-14-2009, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Jughead Spock

So murder was ok as long as it was his son (and plan)?

But it, like, wasn't his son, it was god. Or something. I'll have to read up on that holy trinity thing again.

Noop · 08-14-2009, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

The Bible is the Truth.

I am glad you found something to believe in but this statement is where I make my exit.

tarcone · 08-14-2009, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

According to you. More than half of the world would disagree.

...followed up by:

lungs already addressed this, but hey:

Luke 19:27 - But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Sounds like Allah and Jesus would get along just fine!

Unfortunately, half the world does disagree. I hope that changes.

Your right. But where does Jesus say this? The title states Jesus is Love.

tarcone · 08-14-2009, 12:18 AM

* "Thou shalt not kill (murder)." (Exodus 20:13; Deuteronomy 5:17)
* "...murders... they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (Galatians 5:21)
* "...no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him." (1 John 3:15)
* "...murderers... shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." (Revelation 21:8)
* "For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters..." (Revelation 22:15)

Jesus and Paul both reiterated the Old Testament prohibition against murder:

* "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment." (Matthew 5:21)
* "...Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill...." (Romans 13:9)

Murder is listed right alongside sins like sorcery, fornication, robbery.

* "Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings..." (Galatians 5:21)
* "Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts." (Revelation 9:21)
* "...murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars..." (Revelation 21:8)

On Violence:

God destroyed the earth with a flood because of the extent violence had spread:

* "...the earth was filled with violence... Then God said to Noah, 'The end of all flesh has come before Me; for the earth is filled with violence... behold, I am about to destroy them...'" (Genesis 6:13).

"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor, and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you in order that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven..." (Matthew 5:43, 45)

AENeuman · 08-14-2009, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

The Bible is the Truth.
Allah preaches that it is okay to murder.
This is not about Love.

2 Kings 2:23-24
From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some youths came out of the town and jeered at him. "Go on up, you baldhead!" they said. "Go on up, you baldhead!" 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths.

Jesus does not kill people, god-bears kill people

tarcone · 08-14-2009, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Jughead Spock

So murder was ok as long as it was his son (and plan)?

Was it Murder? I think it was Gods plan to deliver us from sin.

Groundhog · 08-14-2009, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by lungs

And a verse from the Bible was just pointed out that says it's OK to murder too.

Actually, reading through it again, I'm fairly sure "slay them before me" is a metaphor for "peacefully demonstrate that Jesus is love". Sorry guys, that's what I get for jumping to conclusions.

Jughead Spock · 08-14-2009, 12:20 AM

When do we get to start pulling out Leviticus?

Fidatelo · 08-14-2009, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

I have a special friend. . . He's the Baby Jesus and I love him and. . .he don't give me no shit, and he don't fuck around and he's just the fucking coolest guy and I wanna say I love the Baby Jesus.

I can't say it enough. I love the Baby Jesus and I think. . .he's the best thing and he's really great when he shares his love because he's got enough love for everybody. You know what I mean? I can't even see a manger without thinkin' about him, eh?

I just love the Jesus. I've only been into him for a couple of hours though, but I'm *really* into him.

Fixed.

tarcone · 08-14-2009, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by AENeuman

2 Kings 2:23-24
From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some youths came out of the town and jeered at him. "Go on up, you baldhead!" they said. "Go on up, you baldhead!" 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths.

Jesus does not kill people, god-bears kill people

Jesus was a man. He did not bring bears on anyone.

Groundhog · 08-14-2009, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

Unfortunately, half the world does disagree. I hope that changes.

Your right. But where does Jesus say this? The title states Jesus is Love.

Did you see that "Luke 19:27" part? Do you have a bible. Go look.

lungs · 08-14-2009, 12:22 AM

Look, tarcone. I have no horse in this race. I am not a Christian, and I am not a Muslim. But the fact is, you are the one that started this thread saying 'Jesus is Love. Allah is Not.' And I think we've proven that that statement is utter bullshit.

I'm happy for you that you've found your spiritual salvation. I'm not happy that you are using that as an opportunity to talk down on millions of other good and decent people that have found their own spiritual salvation in a different way. You can pray all you want that they find Jesus but the fact is that you are not helping your own cause by calling their ways evil.

It's people like you that taint my view of Christianity, unfortunately, when there are millions or billions of good decent Christians that don't go around spewing the utter hatred that you currently are. You aren't helping your team out.

lighthousekeeper · 08-14-2009, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

Here is a site comparing Karan to the Bible.

ISiddiqui · 08-14-2009, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

Your right. But where does Jesus say this? The title states Jesus is Love.

Uh.... Jesus says what is listed in Luke 19:27. I believe he is using it as a parable: as the king in the parable says those who don't follow him will be slain, Jesus is saying that those that don't follow him will suffer eternal torment.

It's part of the blackmail inherent in the cult of Christianity.

JediKooter · 08-14-2009, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

Jesus was a man. He did not bring bears on anyone.

What about man-bear-pig?

tarcone · 08-14-2009, 12:23 AM

I think I am not helping. Things are getting muddled between the Old Testamnet and the New Testament.

I will refrain from the Old Testamnet. Jesus is Love, its that simple.

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lungs Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Prairie du Sac, WI	[3.31] Say: If you love Allah, then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your faults, and Allah is Forgiving, MercifuL [3.57] And as to those who believe and do good deeds, He will pay them fully their rewards; and Allah does not love the unjust. [3.119] Lo! you are they who will love them while they do not love you [3.148] So Allah gave them the reward of this world and better reward of the hereafter and Allah loves those who do good (to others). [3.159] Thus it is due to mercy from Allah that you deal with them gently, and had you been rough, hard hearted, they would certainly have dispersed from around you; pardon them therefore and ask pardon for them, and take counsel with them in the affair; so when you have decided, then place your trust in Allah; surely Allah loves those who trust. 19.96] Surely (as for) those who believe and do good deeds for t them will Allah bring about love. [24.22] And let not those of you who possess grace and abundance swear against giving to the near of kin and the poor and those who have fled in Allah's way, and they should pardon and turn away. Do you not love that Allah should forgive you? And Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. [42.23] That is of which Allah gives the good news to His servants, (to) those who believe and do good deeds. Say: I do not ask of you any reward for it but love for my near relatives; and whoever earns good, We give him more of good therein; surely Allah is Forgiving, Grateful. [60.8] Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of (your) religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice.

08-13-2009, 11:53 PM	#60
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	On Eternal Judgment Z Islam Teaches... On Paradise: Those who kill or are killed by unbelievers will return to the garden of Paradise (Koran 9:111), where they will enjoy many lustful pleasures - sex with virgins, pleasant food and drink, etc.: * "They shall recline on jeweled couches face to face, and there shall wait on them immortal youths with bowls and ewers and a cup of purest wine... with fruits of their own choice and flesh of fowls that they relish. And theirs shall be the dark-eyes houris (celestial virgins), chaste as hidden pearls: a guerdon for their deeds." (Koran 56:15) * "pure beautiful ones... goodly things, beautiful ones, pure ones confined to the pavilions that man has not touched them before..." (Koran 56:54, 67-71) ' † Christianity Teaches... On Heaven: Those who have believed on the Lord Jesus Christ and submitted their lives to his Lordship will enjoy eternal bliss in heaven, where there will be no pain or sorrow, no disease or death.

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08-13-2009, 11:59 PM	#68
lungs Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Prairie du Sac, WI	The title of this thread is "Jesus is Love. Allah is Not." After a quick search of the Koran I've found plenty of verses that show Allah does indeed love. Now, like any religion you can find plenty of things in each to make the other look bad. It's all in the interpretation and the actions of the reader. There are millions of good people that worship both religions and there are plenty of bad people that take the words and distort them into evil from each religion. Trying to say my religion is better than yours is just ridiculous.

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tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	* "Thou shalt not kill (murder)." (Exodus 20:13; Deuteronomy 5:17) * "...murders... they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (Galatians 5:21) * "...no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him." (1 John 3:15) * "...murderers... shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." (Revelation 21:8) * "For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters..." (Revelation 22:15) Jesus and Paul both reiterated the Old Testament prohibition against murder: * "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment." (Matthew 5:21) * "...Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill...." (Romans 13:9) Murder is listed right alongside sins like sorcery, fornication, robbery. * "Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings..." (Galatians 5:21) * "Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts." (Revelation 9:21) * "...murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars..." (Revelation 21:8) On Violence: God destroyed the earth with a flood because of the extent violence had spread: * "...the earth was filled with violence... Then God said to Noah, 'The end of all flesh has come before Me; for the earth is filled with violence... behold, I am about to destroy them...'" (Genesis 6:13). "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor, and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you in order that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven..." (Matthew 5:43, 45)

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lungs Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Prairie du Sac, WI	Look, tarcone. I have no horse in this race. I am not a Christian, and I am not a Muslim. But the fact is, you are the one that started this thread saying 'Jesus is Love. Allah is Not.' And I think we've proven that that statement is utter bullshit. I'm happy for you that you've found your spiritual salvation. I'm not happy that you are using that as an opportunity to talk down on millions of other good and decent people that have found their own spiritual salvation in a different way. You can pray all you want that they find Jesus but the fact is that you are not helping your own cause by calling their ways evil. It's people like you that taint my view of Christianity, unfortunately, when there are millions or billions of good decent Christians that don't go around spewing the utter hatred that you currently are. You aren't helping your team out.

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tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	I think I am not helping. Things are getting muddled between the Old Testamnet and the New Testament. I will refrain from the Old Testamnet. Jesus is Love, its that simple.

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