New NHL EHM game first impressions - Page 2

JeffR · 10-02-2005, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomerJSimpson

I can't get mine to work. I had a computer crash that made me reboot my whole system, but now the trymedia thing is saying it can't find my purchase. If I send for my code, they send me a reciept showing I bought it, but it won't activate the game.

If you're registered on the SI boards, post that in the "How to Purchase" thread in the main EHM forum and Marc Duffy, who deals with Trymedia, can check into it. I'm sure Marc V. will let him know when he sees this, but Duffy's been online at odd hours the last few days (probably still jetlagged from the trip over here last week) and he might catch it a little earlier that way.

HomerJSimpson · 10-02-2005, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeffR

If you're registered on the SI boards, post that in the "How to Purchase" thread in the main EHM forum and Marc Duffy, who deals with Trymedia, can check into it. I'm sure Marc V. will let him know when he sees this, but Duffy's been online at odd hours the last few days (probably still jetlagged from the trip over here last week) and he might catch it a little earlier that way.

I don't.

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 10-02-2005, 07:24 PM

For those that Dl'ed the update:On average How many SOG per game did you have pre update and now? Just wondering. thanks.

Graeme Kelly · 10-03-2005, 04:51 AM

Godzilla Blitz - what database settings are you using(game preferenes/database size)? Is this happening with every game with random names that you create? I can never seem to repeat it when I try here.

rewissick · 10-03-2005, 07:55 AM

Contract negotiations seem a bit, well...off. Playing as the Bruins GM the first year, and I finished up losing in the Eastern Finals (had a nice playoff run as the 6th seed). I decided at that point to try some negotiations with some of my upcoming UFAs, mainly Samsanov. I believe he was making 2.8MM in the final year of the deal, so I started at that number, for 3 more seasons. He wouldn't have anything to do with me. I tried 3.0MM and later 3.2MM, also for 3 seasons. He never even wanted to listen.
The last offer (the 3.2MM one) was turned down 2 days before the game updates itself the end of June. On July 1st, as a UFA, he was willing to take 2.0MM for 3 years. I wonder what his agent told him in those 2 days? It wasn't like he hated me or anything, in fact he thought I was a fairly competent GM. shurg...

I don't have the game in front of me, but I have noticed that computer controled teams are a bit too easy and willing to trade away some top talent, and that's to other CPU teams. Also, at the trade deadline I've seen teams listed as 8th or 9th in the conference deal some big names to teams below them for prospects/picks. I'm sure those are financial-driven deals, but it still seems a tad weird.

Godzilla Blitz · 10-03-2005, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Graeme Kelly

Godzilla Blitz - what database settings are you using(game preferenes/database size)? Is this happening with every game with random names that you create? I can never seem to repeat it when I try here.

Hi Graeme,

Interestingly enough, I can't get it not to happen. Here's more info, in case it helps. I'd be happy to email you a saved game file or two as well, if that would help. Let me know.

This happened with the version I downloaded a month or so ago in the two times I started a league. After uninstalling that version, I downloaded the full game (v2.1.1) again off your SI Games site last week (in other words, I didn't patch up to 2.1.1). I started two more games today to double check to see if the name issue happens consistently, and in all three attempts with version 2.1.1 the same thing happens as did with the previous version. I am using the unpurchased version, in case that matters.

Details...

Game Setup
Leagues
All North American and Canadian leagues:
NHL, AHL, ECHL, All-American League 3, All-American League 4, CHL.

No other leagues.

All the above leagues set at "enhanced".

Real Players: unchecked.
Mask Attributes: unchecked or checked. Doesn't matter.

The game options screen I never saw, so the database is at normal size, and all other options are at their defaults as well.

When I start a new game, I'm defaulted as an American, which I leave as is, then I select an NHL team.

Right after the game starts, I click on scouting, player search, and start looking through the database of players. There are about 18,000 players in view at that point, and such screens as I posted above occur repeatedly. One or two screens may only have a few identical names on them, but large clusters of identical last names are immediately apparent. Before you get to your tenth screen you'll see large clusters of players with identical full names. Almost seems as if the code gets stuck on a subset of last/first names and then only generates names within that subset.

Also, I generated one game with real names using the previous version, and in that game it struck me that the fictional players generated were perhaps suffering from the same problem. This of course would be clear after letting the game run for ten years or so, and is difficult to see at the beginning of a game with real player names because the number of fictional players in such a game is small at the game start.

Again, I'd be happy to send you a saved game file if that helps, and good luck tracking this down. The game looks pretty exciting.

HomerJSimpson · 10-04-2005, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomerJSimpson

I can't get mine to work. I had a computer crash that made me reboot my whole system, but now the trymedia thing is saying it can't find my purchase. If I send for my code, they send me a reciept showing I bought it, but it won't activate the game.

BTW, is it true you only get to use the code 5 times?! If that is correct, people need to be told before the purchase. That is stupid. I bought this game, and I should be able to reload it as many times as I want. I hate buying this online license crap.

So, I emailed support from the Trymedia people and have recieved no response. I just can't seem to win for losing in buying SI games. Last year I was determined to wait for WSM to be released and buy it at a store (hoping to increase your sales in the states) and ended up having to order it on line anyway because no stores even knew it existed. So for this, I decided to just go ahead and buy the online version, and now I can't play it.

Marc Duffy · 10-04-2005, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomerJSimpson

I can't get mine to work. I had a computer crash that made me reboot my whole system, but now the trymedia thing is saying it can't find my purchase. If I send for my code, they send me a reciept showing I bought it, but it won't activate the game.

BTW, is it true you only get to use the code 5 times?! If that is correct, people need to be told before the purchase. That is stupid. I bought this game, and I should be able to reload it as many times as I want. I hate buying this online license crap.

Please email me marc.duffy @ sigames.com with your order number and the email address you provided at the time. I will look into this for you. Details of the number of activations allowed is available under the terms of service online.

FrogMan · 10-04-2005, 10:28 AM

oh, we have an official SI sighting here.... Please welcome mister Marc Duffy to FOFC

Seriously, welcome aboard

FM

riz · 10-04-2005, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrogMan

oh, we have an official SI sighting here.... Please welcome mister Marc Duffy to FOFC

Seriously, welcome aboard

FM

What ? Me and MV no longer count ?

FrogMan · 10-04-2005, 10:39 AM

awww Riz, you've been here forever it seems. Look at you all grown up with 220 posts

I just wanted to point out his first post ever, and the fact that he signed up today

FM

rewissick · 10-04-2005, 11:30 AM

Some more thoughts on my continuing game as Boston...

It's now December 2007, and some interesting happenings in Pittsburgh. After being used as the backup to Thibault for 2 seasons, and going 25-4-1 in 06-07, Marc-Andre Fleury had to feel pretty confident that the starting job was his going into 07-08 since Thibault was signed away by LA. Well, I guess the Pittsburgh brass thought otherwise. They brought in Conklin, who is 11-11-3 so far, and is backed up by Billy Thompson (who is listed as the 5th!! best net-minder on the team report screen). Where is M-A? Down in Wilkes-Barre. Probably as a result, Pittsburgh has gone from a 63 win season to the .500 team this season. Odd...Seems the AI values goalies so much that they don't want to risk exposing them to waivers? Why else pay M-A 1.3MM to play in the AHL?

Also, Crosby is STILL in Rimouski, after scoring 95 goals in 06-07 and having 56 goals thru 35 games this season. It's his last year of eligibility. I have no idea if Pittsburgh has tried to bring him on board or not, but I thought it odd that he's being left in the Q.

Maybe I should put this on the shelf for a few weeks, or try out a lower level game? How tough is it in Russia, anyway?!?

HomerJSimpson · 10-04-2005, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc Duffy

Please email me marc.duffy @ sigames.com with your order number and the email address you provided at the time. I will look into this for you. Details of the number of activations allowed is available under the terms of service online.

Sent the info. Thanks for any help. I do find it humorous that you think people actually read the "terms of service."

I think limiting the number of installs is a very bad practice, and will guarentee I'll never buy anything from Trymedia again.

Flasch186 · 10-04-2005, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rewissick

Some more thoughts on my continuing game as Boston...

It's now December 2007, and some interesting happenings in Pittsburgh. After being used as the backup to Thibault for 2 seasons, and going 25-4-1 in 06-07, Marc-Andre Fleury had to feel pretty confident that the starting job was his going into 07-08 since Thibault was signed away by LA. Well, I guess the Pittsburgh brass thought otherwise. They brought in Conklin, who is 11-11-3 so far, and is backed up by Billy Thompson (who is listed as the 5th!! best net-minder on the team report screen). Where is M-A? Down in Wilkes-Barre. Probably as a result, Pittsburgh has gone from a 63 win season to the .500 team this season. Odd...Seems the AI values goalies so much that they don't want to risk exposing them to waivers? Why else pay M-A 1.3MM to play in the AHL?

Also, Crosby is STILL in Rimouski, after scoring 95 goals in 06-07 and having 56 goals thru 35 games this season. It's his last year of eligibility. I have no idea if Pittsburgh has tried to bring him on board or not, but I thought it odd that he's being left in the Q.

Maybe I should put this on the shelf for a few weeks, or try out a lower level game? How tough is it in Russia, anyway?!?

that doesnt sound good. Is this after the patch? I was going to rush out to buy this today but that certainly doesnt make the realism sound, wel, realistic.

rewissick · 10-04-2005, 01:03 PM

Yes, completely post-patch, v2.1.1. At least I hope I've got the latest version.

I really want to love this game, trust me. I'm sure they'll get it right after the next patch, but I was so looking forward to leading my Bruins back to Cup glory this week. Guess it will have to wait.

Flasch186 · 10-04-2005, 03:03 PM

i just ranup to gamestop since "yeah, our delivery is in." but the UPS or DHL guy didnt drop that particular game off. Perhaps its further back in his truck so now its a wait til tomorrow

eventhough the AI patches should be comin'

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 10-04-2005, 05:10 PM

Anyone else seen it at gamestop, frys or eb?

AZSpeechCoach · 10-04-2005, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHEMICAL SOLDIER

Anyone else seen it at gamestop, frys or eb?

Nope. As the Gamestop put it, "We only carry titles people have heard of."

jbmagic · 10-04-2005, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomerJSimpson

Sent the info. Thanks for any help. I do find it humorous that you think people actually read the "terms of service."

I think limiting the number of installs is a very bad practice, and will guarentee I'll never buy anything from Trymedia again.

its been so frustrated to find this game in the us store so far.

and no way i going to get trymedia. that silly of there limit on the # installs you can do..

they should have two licenses like vtech and which you can unlicense it when you do a clean install of your system.

BucDawg40 · 10-04-2005, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rewissick

Some more thoughts on my continuing game as Boston...

It's now December 2007, and some interesting happenings in Pittsburgh. After being used as the backup to Thibault for 2 seasons, and going 25-4-1 in 06-07, Marc-Andre Fleury had to feel pretty confident that the starting job was his going into 07-08 since Thibault was signed away by LA. Well, I guess the Pittsburgh brass thought otherwise. They brought in Conklin, who is 11-11-3 so far, and is backed up by Billy Thompson (who is listed as the 5th!! best net-minder on the team report screen). Where is M-A? Down in Wilkes-Barre. Probably as a result, Pittsburgh has gone from a 63 win season to the .500 team this season. Odd...Seems the AI values goalies so much that they don't want to risk exposing them to waivers? Why else pay M-A 1.3MM to play in the AHL?

Also, Crosby is STILL in Rimouski, after scoring 95 goals in 06-07 and having 56 goals thru 35 games this season. It's his last year of eligibility. I have no idea if Pittsburgh has tried to bring him on board or not, but I thought it odd that he's being left in the Q.

Maybe I should put this on the shelf for a few weeks, or try out a lower level game? How tough is it in Russia, anyway?!?

I haven't seen anything like this in my game. Both of those guys are playing in the NHL, with Crosby scoring 113 points in 06-07 for the Pens.

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 10-04-2005, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AZSpeechCoach

Nope. As the Gamestop put it, "We only carry titles people have heard of."

I'll wait until the 10th, and if its not here I'll just forget it and get Call of Duty.

sachmo71 · 10-04-2005, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AZSpeechCoach

Nope. As the Gamestop put it, "We only carry titles people have heard of."

That's an across the counter moment. Fuggin' retail bitterness.

AZSpeechCoach · 10-04-2005, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sachmo71

That's an across the counter moment. Fuggin' retail bitterness.

And I didn't even try asking the people at Fry's. A clerk there today couldn't tell the difference between the iPod Shuffle and the iPod Nano. If I can't find it on the shelf, then I doubt that anybody else there could.

sachmo71 · 10-04-2005, 10:03 PM

Actually, my wife had a nice customer service experience at Office Depot.
Got a new printer this weekend, but they don't include USB cables in the box, and I wasn't going to pay $30 at Best Buy for gold connectors.

So it sat on the floor for a couple of days as i didn't have time to go get the cable. Turns out my wife had time, so I gave her the picture from the box, the printer specs, and even the caveat "If you aren't sure, don't buy."

She goes into Office Depot armed with all of this knowledge. She shows the salesman the picture, and he asks if it's an old printer. I didn't notice at the time but the picture looks like very old USB or even parallel cable!!!
So he goes around the floor with her, finds the exact printer, gives her the CORRECT cable, and she comes home. I look at the cable, sigh, tell her it's wrong, then she tells me the story of the nice sales guy at Office Depot.

Hooray for people who give a shit about their jobs!

Flasch186 · 10-05-2005, 07:52 PM

I ended up buying it off gamestop.com and overnighting it. too frustrated to continually call them to find out they dont carry it in stores.

Hurst2112 · 10-06-2005, 01:28 PM

Hey guys from SI:

I can't post on the forums there because my email is banned?! I post there about one every 2 years so I don't know why that is.

Anyway, I am trying to get my post patch game to launch on my G5. I have played it on the mac before the patch but now it just attempts to go to a lesser resolution and cancels the process. I tried re-installing and trying again but it doesn't help.

Are there other people reporting this for macs? The game loads fine on my PC, but 'the squaw' has found my Sims 2 and has overtaken the pc.

Thanks.

Imac G5 1.8 20"
1GB Ram
Tiger OS (latest patch)

DeToxRox · 10-06-2005, 02:06 PM

Quick Q: Is there any update out that edits the names of guys like Phil Kessel, Jimmy Howard, etc?

bhlloy · 10-06-2005, 02:21 PM

Getting towards the end of my first season with the Wild... some first impressions.

Ovechkin went completely unsigned all year, I was able to trade for his rights for two number 2 picks and AJ Thelen (five star D prospect) and he'll be with the Wild at the start of next year. Pretty strange the Caps hadn't signed him before as he's clearly NHL ready.
Crosby however has been with the Pens all year and has cleaned out the rookie of the month awards all year.

Seems to be a bug/issue with enforcers. I was getting 3-4 news items a week for the month before the trade deadline that teams wanted to trade for Matt Johnson and Rob Ray (who is completely past it and playing with the Senators ECHL affiliate) I don't know what the issue is - bug with teams evaluations, news items bug or just general wierdness in my game. It doesn't make sense because there are better enforcers than those two in FA and getting waived every week. Especially Ray, he is completely washed up. Johnson eventually was traded from Montreal to Nashville for a player and a fifth round pick.
I've also seen a couple of trades whereby average enforcers have moved teams for a second or third round pick that just made me think WTF?

Seems to be (again might just be my game being wierd) that marginal backup goaltenders bounce around teams way too much. JS Aubin is on his fourth team (think waived and picked up three times and traded once) Garth Snow is on his third.

Other than that... outstanding game. Immersion is great, I love scouting for the draft and trawling the European leagues for marginal prospects or backups that might be able to contribute to my team.

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 10-06-2005, 03:23 PM

Has anynes seen this game on an American store yet?

jbmagic · 10-06-2005, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHEMICAL SOLDIER

Has anynes seen this game on an American store yet?

Nope. i am in los angeles too.

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 10-06-2005, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbmagic

Nope. i am in los angeles too.

Reminds me of the distribution for WWSM 2005 last december. Looks like its another cluster for SEGA.

RPI-Fan · 10-06-2005, 04:20 PM

Quote:

I've also seen a couple of trades whereby average enforcers have moved teams for a second or third round pick that just made me think WTF?

Don't tell the Ducks & Todd Fedoruk this.

Sweed · 10-06-2005, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHEMICAL SOLDIER

Has anynes seen this game on an American store yet?

The nearest Gamestop to me is in Mankato, Minnesota. Doing a search from the
GameStop site shows they don't have any on hand but it is on the way. There is a second Mankato GS that doesn't show it coming to the store and 5 or 6 stores within a 100 miles and none of those show it coming to their store.

According to what I've read on the SI site you are more likely to find the game in a store that is located in "hockey hot beds".

Sweed · 10-06-2005, 06:07 PM

dola

For those that have the boxed version of the game does it come with a printed manual?

If so how good is it?

Does it give good explanations of free agency, waivers, and youth hockey?

While I have a pretty good understanding of the game itself I have virtually no understanding of now the "minor leagues" work in hockey. If the manual gives good info regarding this it would go a long way in getting me to buy the game.
Not to mention it would give me something to read while I'm on the throne

Swaggs · 10-06-2005, 06:31 PM

Does the game track head coaching records on their "pages/cards" in this version?

jbmagic · 10-06-2005, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweed

dola

For those that have the boxed version of the game does it come with a printed manual?

If so how good is it?

Does it give good explanations of free agency, waivers, and youth hockey?

While I have a pretty good understanding of the game itself I have virtually no understanding of now the "minor leagues" work in hockey. If the manual gives good info regarding this it would go a long way in getting me to buy the game.
Not to mention it would give me something to read while I'm on the throne

if you download the trial and buy. it comes with a manual and it will be the same one printed marc said before.

bhlloy · 10-06-2005, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

Don't tell the Ducks & Todd Fedoruk this.

Good point

At least Fedoruk is not old and can actually skate

Another one if Marc or Riz are reading this... I seem to get an insane amount of repeated offers for players. Two examples:

a) for at least two months I got the same offer every week for Brian Rolston from maybe three or four teams - can't remember who off the top of my head. Every time it was a second round pick in 2006, 2007 and 2008. It seemed to be completely non-negotiable (no way I could change any of the picks, or swap a pick for a player - it would get rejected right away). In the end I must have rejected each team at least 5 times and they would come right back the next week with the same offer. Non-negotiable. It drove me insane because I'm looking to restock, but I couldn't get the deal to where i wanted it. And the teams still came back to me the next week with the exact same offer I told them to stick last week

b) I have all the prospects my scouts recommend on shortlist. One guy, Zach Hamill from Everett seemed to be the subject of a crazy amount of trade offers and of course I saw them all as he was on my shortlist. Every week without fail every single team in the OHL (?) would offer for him. I'm not kidding - something crazy like three out of every ten news items of mine is about him. Each team had a deal they would offer every week - I don't think they changed. And every time it would be rejected. I figured - maybe he's available but they are holding out for a great offer? Nope, checked and he is not on the trade block and his GM has never said that he will consider offers for him.

Anyway, that was a long winded way of saying that (in some cases at least) the AI never seems to remember that you rejected an offer or the particulars of an offer that gets rejected, and never seems to be willing to sweeten the deal. One of the great things about FM, that you can haggle a bit over transfer deals, seems to be missing in EHM right now.

scooter · 10-06-2005, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Does the game track head coaching records on their "pages/cards" in this version?

On the "Bio" tab for any staff that have been a head coach anywhere, it says their overall record. Example on Ken Hitchcock's card:

Coaching Record
Hitchcock's current coaching record stands at: 39-34-9.

Joe Canadian · 10-06-2005, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Good point

At least Fedoruk is not old and can actually skate

Another one if Marc or Riz are reading this... I seem to get an insane amount of repeated offers for players. Two examples:

a) for at least two months I got the same offer every week for Brian Rolston from maybe three or four teams - can't remember who off the top of my head. Every time it was a second round pick in 2006, 2007 and 2008. It seemed to be completely non-negotiable (no way I could change any of the picks, or swap a pick for a player - it would get rejected right away). In the end I must have rejected each team at least 5 times and they would come right back the next week with the same offer. Non-negotiable. It drove me insane because I'm looking to restock, but I couldn't get the deal to where i wanted it. And the teams still came back to me the next week with the exact same offer I told them to stick last week

b) I have all the prospects my scouts recommend on shortlist. One guy, Zach Hamill from Everett seemed to be the subject of a crazy amount of trade offers and of course I saw them all as he was on my shortlist. Every week without fail every single team in the OHL (?) would offer for him. I'm not kidding - something crazy like three out of every ten news items of mine is about him. Each team had a deal they would offer every week - I don't think they changed. And every time it would be rejected. I figured - maybe he's available but they are holding out for a great offer? Nope, checked and he is not on the trade block and his GM has never said that he will consider offers for him.

Anyway, that was a long winded way of saying that (in some cases at least) the AI never seems to remember that you rejected an offer or the particulars of an offer that gets rejected, and never seems to be willing to sweeten the deal. One of the great things about FM, that you can haggle a bit over transfer deals, seems to be missing in EHM right now.

This has been a problem in NHL EHM for a while now...

When you go and inquire about a player and the team comes back with an offer, then you make some adjustments... they consistently come back 3-4 times with the exact offer they originally made. If that's the ONLY offer they're willing to accept, it would be nice if they would say that up front...

riz · 10-07-2005, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Canadian

This has been a problem in NHL EHM for a while now...

When you go and inquire about a player and the team comes back with an offer, then you make some adjustments... they consistently come back 3-4 times with the exact offer they originally made. If that's the ONLY offer they're willing to accept, it would be nice if they would say that up front...

Tracking down all the past offers which have been for a specific player or to a specific team would eat up resources quite quickly. The reason why teams come back with similar or the same offers again and again, is because the trades aren't just setup with a function that randomly adds players/picks to the trade. The function to setup a trade goes through the team needs and tries to find the best players on the other team that match those needs. And because this follows a logical path with only some additional randomizing, the same offers will come up from time to time.

For the next version, I've already got it on my list to make the trade negotiations more flexible, with users able to lock objects (players, rights or picks) into the offers, so the other team will keep those items in when negotiating, rather then swapping them for something else instead. If you guys have any other ideas on how to further improve trading, now's the time, I'm all ears

You have to remember that haggling over money is a LOT easier than haggling over players, player rights and draft picks. When using just money, sweetening the deal means just increasing one number. When talking about trades, you'll have to either add picks, players or prospects to the trade (and maybe to balance it out, on both sides) or swap the components (players, picks or prospects) already included in the offer.

jonesz · 10-07-2005, 07:26 AM

The AI does seem a bit whacky. For example I offered Tyler Wright to the Kings for a 2nd round pick. They declined the offer then counter offered a 2nd round and 4th round pick for him. I guess they must have thought they would be taking advantage of me with my first offer?! Anyway, I accepted the offer and then I get a new item saying that the fans were excited that I made such a great deal. I'm a genius!

The "waiver dump" that occurs the first season is pretty annoying too. Basically because there is no waiver draft anymore, everyone and their brother come up on waivers as tehy are sent to a minor league team and you get like 100 news messages.

Also a small bug when, in midseason, you offer one of your scouts a new contract as an assistant coach. It forces you to terminate one of your existing coaches because you don't have enough room. Then the scout signs the new contract as an assistant coach and he doesn't show up on your practice screen, which leads me to believe that he won't be available until the next season. My feeling is that he should change jobs as soon as he signs the assistant coach contract.

riz · 10-07-2005, 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonesz

The "waiver dump" that occurs the first season is pretty annoying too. Basically because there is no waiver draft anymore, everyone and their brother come up on waivers as tehy are sent to a minor league team and you get like 100 news messages.

Well, there is no real life waiver draft anymore and tons of players were waived in the last few days in real life as well...It's just that in real life you don't get every single waiver notifications in the newspapers etc.

rewissick · 10-07-2005, 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riz

Well, there is no real life waiver draft anymore and tons of players were waived in the last few days in real life as well...It's just that in real life you don't get every single waiver notifications in the newspapers etc.

Is there anyway to sort/search thru all those waived players? I haven't been able to find any way to do it yet, and I'd really like to be able to find that 4th line guy that could help my team out without having to click my way thru 4 dozen guys.

Crosby was finally signed by Pittsburgh in my game, and he's leading the league in scoring thru the first 2 months.

riz · 10-07-2005, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rewissick

Is there anyway to sort/search thru all those waived players? I haven't been able to find any way to do it yet, and I'd really like to be able to find that 4th line guy that could help my team out without having to click my way thru 4 dozen guys.

Crosby was finally signed by Pittsburgh in my game, and he's leading the league in scoring thru the first 2 months.

Full waiver list is available in the "World" menu. Just underneath the drafts and rankings.

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 10-07-2005, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweed

The nearest Gamestop to me is in Mankato, Minnesota. Doing a search from the
GameStop site shows they don't have any on hand but it is on the way. There is a second Mankato GS that doesn't show it coming to the store and 5 or 6 stores within a 100 miles and none of those show it coming to their store.

According to what I've read on the SI site you are more likely to find the game in a store that is located in "hockey hot beds".

I found a copy 400 miles away in Phoenix. I'll be driving down there right now.

rewissick · 10-07-2005, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riz

Full waiver list is available in the "World" menu. Just underneath the drafts and rankings.

Right, I found that. But is there a search function off of that list? All I see is a button for 'Enter Claim'.
Thanks

bhlloy · 10-07-2005, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riz

For the next version, I've already got it on my list to make the trade negotiations more flexible, with users able to lock objects (players, rights or picks) into the offers, so the other team will keep those items in when negotiating, rather then swapping them for something else instead.

That sounds like a great idea Riz. That would certainly address the non-negotiable part (this is what I must have in return, otherwise get lost) but I still think you need something that stops a silly number of repeated offers for a player.

Throwing something out there... I assume money works on a value system like in FM (I reject an offer of £400k for a player and ask for £800k - the player's asking price goes up to £800k) Why couldn't there be an asking price for each player that the game keeps track of - e.g. in my Rolston example all I wanted was a first round pick and a third so you could put that as his "asking price" and then teams know not to come in with an offer too far below that. You would have to put a value to players obviously but would that be too hard - surely the AI already values players for trades.

If I then changed my mind and said I now wanted two first round picks for Rolston, his asking price would go up again.

In fact, why not go the whole distance and allow the user to manually set an asking price for any of his players, akin to the team needs screen. E.g for Brian Rolston I want a first round pick and a depth winger and won't consider any offers dramatically below that. AI could still come in with offers marginally below that or to the same value (e.g. two second rounders and a depth winger, a second rounder and a starting winger etc...)

riz · 10-07-2005, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhlloy

That sounds like a great idea Riz. That would certainly address the non-negotiable part (this is what I must have in return, otherwise get lost) but I still think you need something that stops a silly number of repeated offers for a player.

Throwing something out there... I assume money works on a value system like in FM (I reject an offer of £400k for a player and ask for £800k - the player's asking price goes up to £800k) Why couldn't there be an asking price for each player that the game keeps track of - e.g. in my Rolston example all I wanted was a first round pick and a third so you could put that as his "asking price" and then teams know not to come in with an offer too far below that. You would have to put a value to players obviously but would that be too hard - surely the AI already values players for trades.

If I then changed my mind and said I now wanted two first round picks for Rolston, his asking price would go up again.

In fact, why not go the whole distance and allow the user to manually set an asking price for any of his players, akin to the team needs screen. E.g for Brian Rolston I want a first round pick and a depth winger and won't consider any offers dramatically below that. AI could still come in with offers marginally below that or to the same value (e.g. two second rounders and a depth winger, a second rounder and a starting winger etc...)

Interesting ideas, you don't mind if I steal these for my wishlist now do you ?

The AI teams do naturally figure a player or a pick down to a numerical value, but to get there, it has to take into account a lot of various things. It would be quite easy to track the "values" of rejected offers for Bill Guerin alone, but whatabout if someone offered you a certain deal for Guerin and Kapanen ? The package offered for those two could not be compared to the offers for Guerin alone. But I'll give it to you that there might be something behind this

The main problem with defining a "depth winger" as one requirement in making the trade, is that each team has their own opinion on what counts as a depth winger, and it also depends on the team in question. One team's depth winger is another team's core winger. Add to that the fact that a humans value their players and especially players on other teams in quite a different way than the AI. AI might see a decent prospect in something that looks like a never-will-be to the human, just because every team has their own opinions on players.

Karim · 10-07-2005, 04:01 PM

I'm not sure if this is on the official list, but one of my wishes is to have more ability to praise/criticize a player/the team both privately and publically. I'm guessing something similar is available in FM?

Honolulu_Blue · 10-07-2005, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karim

I'm not sure if this is on the official list, but one of my wishes is to have more ability to praise/criticize a player/the team both privately and publically. I'm guessing something similar is available in FM?

Me too.

10-02-2005, 07:24 PM	#53
CHEMICAL SOLDIER College Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Henderson, Nevada	For those that Dl'ed the update:On average How many SOG per game did you have pre update and now? Just wondering. thanks. __________________ Toujour Pret

10-04-2005, 10:28 AM	#59
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	oh, we have an official SI sighting here.... Please welcome mister Marc Duffy to FOFC Seriously, welcome aboard FM __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

10-04-2005, 10:39 AM	#61
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	awww Riz, you've been here forever it seems. Look at you all grown up with 220 posts I just wanted to point out his first post ever, and the fact that he signed up today FM __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

10-04-2005, 03:03 PM	#66
Flasch186 Coordinator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jacksonville, FL	i just ranup to gamestop since "yeah, our delivery is in." but the UPS or DHL guy didnt drop that particular game off. Perhaps its further back in his truck so now its a wait til tomorrow eventhough the AI patches should be comin' __________________ Jacksonville-florida-homes-for-sale Putting a New Spin on Real Estate! ----------------------------------------------------------- Commissioner of the USFL USFL

10-04-2005, 05:10 PM	#67
CHEMICAL SOLDIER College Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Henderson, Nevada	Anyone else seen it at gamestop, frys or eb? __________________ Toujour Pret

10-03-2005, 04:51 AM	#54
Graeme Kelly SI Games Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London	Godzilla Blitz - what database settings are you using(game preferenes/database size)? Is this happening with every game with random names that you create? I can never seem to repeat it when I try here.

10-03-2005, 07:55 AM	#55
rewissick n00b Join Date: Jun 2004	Contract negotiations seem a bit, well...off. Playing as the Bruins GM the first year, and I finished up losing in the Eastern Finals (had a nice playoff run as the 6th seed). I decided at that point to try some negotiations with some of my upcoming UFAs, mainly Samsanov. I believe he was making 2.8MM in the final year of the deal, so I started at that number, for 3 more seasons. He wouldn't have anything to do with me. I tried 3.0MM and later 3.2MM, also for 3 seasons. He never even wanted to listen. The last offer (the 3.2MM one) was turned down 2 days before the game updates itself the end of June. On July 1st, as a UFA, he was willing to take 2.0MM for 3 years. I wonder what his agent told him in those 2 days? It wasn't like he hated me or anything, in fact he thought I was a fairly competent GM. shurg... I don't have the game in front of me, but I have noticed that computer controled teams are a bit too easy and willing to trade away some top talent, and that's to other CPU teams. Also, at the trade deadline I've seen teams listed as 8th or 9th in the conference deal some big names to teams below them for prospects/picks. I'm sure those are financial-driven deals, but it still seems a tad weird.

10-04-2005, 11:30 AM	#62
rewissick n00b Join Date: Jun 2004	Some more thoughts on my continuing game as Boston... It's now December 2007, and some interesting happenings in Pittsburgh. After being used as the backup to Thibault for 2 seasons, and going 25-4-1 in 06-07, Marc-Andre Fleury had to feel pretty confident that the starting job was his going into 07-08 since Thibault was signed away by LA. Well, I guess the Pittsburgh brass thought otherwise. They brought in Conklin, who is 11-11-3 so far, and is backed up by Billy Thompson (who is listed as the 5th!! best net-minder on the team report screen). Where is M-A? Down in Wilkes-Barre. Probably as a result, Pittsburgh has gone from a 63 win season to the .500 team this season. Odd...Seems the AI values goalies so much that they don't want to risk exposing them to waivers? Why else pay M-A 1.3MM to play in the AHL? Also, Crosby is STILL in Rimouski, after scoring 95 goals in 06-07 and having 56 goals thru 35 games this season. It's his last year of eligibility. I have no idea if Pittsburgh has tried to bring him on board or not, but I thought it odd that he's being left in the Q. Maybe I should put this on the shelf for a few weeks, or try out a lower level game? How tough is it in Russia, anyway?!?

10-04-2005, 01:03 PM	#65
rewissick n00b Join Date: Jun 2004	Yes, completely post-patch, v2.1.1. At least I hope I've got the latest version. I really want to love this game, trust me. I'm sure they'll get it right after the next patch, but I was so looking forward to leading my Bruins back to Cup glory this week. Guess it will have to wait.

10-04-2005, 10:03 PM	#74
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	Actually, my wife had a nice customer service experience at Office Depot. Got a new printer this weekend, but they don't include USB cables in the box, and I wasn't going to pay $30 at Best Buy for gold connectors. So it sat on the floor for a couple of days as i didn't have time to go get the cable. Turns out my wife had time, so I gave her the picture from the box, the printer specs, and even the caveat "If you aren't sure, don't buy." She goes into Office Depot armed with all of this knowledge. She shows the salesman the picture, and he asks if it's an old printer. I didn't notice at the time but the picture looks like very old USB or even parallel cable!!! So he goes around the floor with her, finds the exact printer, gives her the CORRECT cable, and she comes home. I look at the cable, sigh, tell her it's wrong, then she tells me the story of the nice sales guy at Office Depot. Hooray for people who give a shit about their jobs!

10-05-2005, 07:52 PM	#75
Flasch186 Coordinator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jacksonville, FL	I ended up buying it off gamestop.com and overnighting it. too frustrated to continually call them to find out they dont carry it in stores. __________________ Jacksonville-florida-homes-for-sale Putting a New Spin on Real Estate! ----------------------------------------------------------- Commissioner of the USFL USFL

10-06-2005, 01:28 PM	#76
Hurst2112 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Minneapolis	Hey guys from SI: I can't post on the forums there because my email is banned?! I post there about one every 2 years so I don't know why that is. Anyway, I am trying to get my post patch game to launch on my G5. I have played it on the mac before the patch but now it just attempts to go to a lesser resolution and cancels the process. I tried re-installing and trying again but it doesn't help. Are there other people reporting this for macs? The game loads fine on my PC, but 'the squaw' has found my Sims 2 and has overtaken the pc. Thanks. Imac G5 1.8 20" 1GB Ram Tiger OS (latest patch) __________________ http://www.myspace.com/longliveanalog Last edited by Hurst2112 : 10-06-2005 at 01:30 PM.

10-06-2005, 02:06 PM	#77
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Quick Q: Is there any update out that edits the names of guys like Phil Kessel, Jimmy Howard, etc?

10-06-2005, 02:21 PM	#78
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	Getting towards the end of my first season with the Wild... some first impressions. Ovechkin went completely unsigned all year, I was able to trade for his rights for two number 2 picks and AJ Thelen (five star D prospect) and he'll be with the Wild at the start of next year. Pretty strange the Caps hadn't signed him before as he's clearly NHL ready. Crosby however has been with the Pens all year and has cleaned out the rookie of the month awards all year. Seems to be a bug/issue with enforcers. I was getting 3-4 news items a week for the month before the trade deadline that teams wanted to trade for Matt Johnson and Rob Ray (who is completely past it and playing with the Senators ECHL affiliate) I don't know what the issue is - bug with teams evaluations, news items bug or just general wierdness in my game. It doesn't make sense because there are better enforcers than those two in FA and getting waived every week. Especially Ray, he is completely washed up. Johnson eventually was traded from Montreal to Nashville for a player and a fifth round pick. I've also seen a couple of trades whereby average enforcers have moved teams for a second or third round pick that just made me think WTF? Seems to be (again might just be my game being wierd) that marginal backup goaltenders bounce around teams way too much. JS Aubin is on his fourth team (think waived and picked up three times and traded once) Garth Snow is on his third. Other than that... outstanding game. Immersion is great, I love scouting for the draft and trawling the European leagues for marginal prospects or backups that might be able to contribute to my team.

10-06-2005, 03:23 PM	#79
CHEMICAL SOLDIER College Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Henderson, Nevada	Has anynes seen this game on an American store yet? __________________ Toujour Pret

10-06-2005, 06:07 PM	#84
Sweed College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2003	dola For those that have the boxed version of the game does it come with a printed manual? If so how good is it? Does it give good explanations of free agency, waivers, and youth hockey? While I have a pretty good understanding of the game itself I have virtually no understanding of now the "minor leagues" work in hockey. If the manual gives good info regarding this it would go a long way in getting me to buy the game. Not to mention it would give me something to read while I'm on the throne

10-06-2005, 06:31 PM	#85
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Does the game track head coaching records on their "pages/cards" in this version? __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

10-07-2005, 07:26 AM	#91
jonesz Mascot Join Date: Nov 2000	The AI does seem a bit whacky. For example I offered Tyler Wright to the Kings for a 2nd round pick. They declined the offer then counter offered a 2nd round and 4th round pick for him. I guess they must have thought they would be taking advantage of me with my first offer?! Anyway, I accepted the offer and then I get a new item saying that the fans were excited that I made such a great deal. I'm a genius! The "waiver dump" that occurs the first season is pretty annoying too. Basically because there is no waiver draft anymore, everyone and their brother come up on waivers as tehy are sent to a minor league team and you get like 100 news messages. Also a small bug when, in midseason, you offer one of your scouts a new contract as an assistant coach. It forces you to terminate one of your existing coaches because you don't have enough room. Then the scout signs the new contract as an assistant coach and he doesn't show up on your practice screen, which leads me to believe that he won't be available until the next season. My feeling is that he should change jobs as soon as he signs the assistant coach contract.

10-07-2005, 04:01 PM	#99
Karim College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Calgary	I'm not sure if this is on the official list, but one of my wishes is to have more ability to praise/criticize a player/the team both privately and publically. I'm guessing something similar is available in FM?

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)