Do you want the Colts to go undefeated? - Page 2

st.cronin · 12-05-2005, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by George W Bush

so what if the colts get to 18-0 but then lose the superbowl? still better than the dolphins since miami only had 17?

that would be hilarious

Eaglesfan27 · 12-05-2005, 07:08 PM

No, I want the Eagles to be the team to do it.

wade moore · 12-05-2005, 07:12 PM

I am a Peyton fan which has made me become a Colts fan (although my Skins still come first) and I would love to see them go undefeated... but, the bigger goal as others have mentioned is the superbowl.. I don't care if they go 12-4, as long as they win the super bowl.

Easy Mac · 12-05-2005, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by George W Bush

so what if the colts get to 18-0 but then lose the superbowl? still better than the dolphins since miami only had 17?

From last year with the Pats:

A New England victory would boost the Patriots to 18 consecutive wins, including the playoffs. That total would tie five teams for the longest winning streaks in NFL history: 1933-34 Chicago Bears, 1941-42 Chicago Bears, 1972-73 Miami Dolphins, 1989-90 San Francisco 49ers and the 1997-98 Denver Broncos.

Raiders Army · 12-05-2005, 07:27 PM

If I didn't say it before, this thread needs more trout.

miami_fan · 12-05-2005, 08:01 PM

I voted yes and it has nothing to do with the 72 team whose story gets WAAY overplayed. I am hoping that, with this being a copycat league, teams begin to emulate the Colts. They have had the same QB for 8 yrs, their starting RB has been there for 7 yrs, one of their starting WR has been 10 yrs, their O-Line has a couple new pieces but it also has guys who have been there for 5+ years. Finally they have has the same offensive coordinator for 8 yrs. In a league where you see coaches and coordinators getting fired and moving from team to team, it is nice to see what a team with a core group that is together that long.

Butter · 12-06-2005, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by A smart man

I can't wait to see New England win their division at 8-8, then get to the 2nd round of the playoffs and have Peyton Manning pick them apart and lose 49-10.

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

that would be hilarious

Indeed it would.

jeff061 · 12-06-2005, 07:10 AM

Not perfect until you go though whole way, in my opinion. Still would be a hell of an achievement either way, soft schedule or not.

As for the Pats era being over, not sure how anyone can say that until they have a season like this with a stable full of healthy players. But I'm not going to be parading around the idea of the Pats ending the Colts streak in the playoffs. I'd LOVE to see that, but this isn't 03 or 04

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Ksyrup · 12-06-2005, 07:11 AM

Didn't the Pats have a losing season after the first SB and still came back to win 2 more? I wouldn't bury them yet, even if this season ends with a whimper.

wade moore · 12-06-2005, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by jeff061

Not perfect until you go though whole way, in my opinion. Still would be a hell of an achievement either way, soft schedule or not.

As for the Pats era being over, not sure how anyone can say that until they have a season like this with a stable full of healthy players. But I'm not going to be parading around the idea of the Pats ending the Colts streak in the playoffs. I'd LOVE to see that, but this isn't 03 or 04

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Soft schedule?

You've got to be kidding me..

Steelers... Bengals... Jaguars twice... they may have some easier teams, but they have beaten some of the top teams in the AFC...

Ksyrup · 12-06-2005, 07:15 AM

The first half of their schedule was undeniably soft. However, if they get through this entire season undeated, I don't see how anyone can suggest they didn't earn it. Just the next 3 weeks are going to be a good test.

wade moore · 12-06-2005, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

The first half of their schedule was undeniably soft. However, if they get through this entire season undeated, I don't see how anyone can suggest they didn't earn it. Just the next 3 weeks are going to be a good test.

And again, 3 tough games already (Pittsburgh, Cincy, and Jax)

jeff061 · 12-06-2005, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

Soft schedule?

You've got to be kidding me..

Steelers... Bengals... Jaguars twice... they may have some easier teams, but they have beaten some of the top teams in the AFC...

Figures you'd latch right on to that, even though I said it didn't matter. Yes, it was an easy schedule. Last time I saw the stats it was the 1st or 2nd easiest in the league.

But like I said, I don't think it matters. 16 wins is 16 wins. Nearly all teams would trip up somewhere along the lines, no matter who they are playing. But if it helps you digest the Colts/Pats rivalry you can pretend I didn't say that.

wade moore · 12-06-2005, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jeff061

Figures you'd latch right on to that, even though I said it didn't matter. Yes, it was an easy schedule. Last time I saw the stats it was the 1st or 2nd easiest in the league.

But like I said, I don't think it matters. 16 wins is 16 wins. Nearly all teams would trip up somewhere along the lines, no matter who they are playing. But if it helps you digest the Colts/Pats rivalry you can pretend I didn't say that.

When is the last time you saw SOS?

http://www.theredzone.org/strength.asp
http://www.fftoday.com/sos/sos.htm

Both of these show the Colts as middle of the road, and that is without the games coming up for the rest of the season.

I won't say that the Colts have the hardest schedule, but to say it is soft is silly...

jeff061 · 12-06-2005, 07:43 AM

When it was based off of last season

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wade moore · 12-06-2005, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by jeff061

When it was based off of last season

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Good lord man!

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tanglewood · 12-06-2005, 09:04 AM

I voted no, only because I would like to see the Bengals win the Super Bowl. Colts would probably be my number 2 choice though.

Ksyrup · 12-06-2005, 10:21 AM

Looks like Dungy may be softening his stance a bit. And hey, if someone gets hurt, he can just blame God!

Coach Tony Dungy reversed field a bit, saying he is unsure how he'll handle playing time once the Colts clinch homefield advantage.
The e-mails and phone calls from Peyton Manning owners must have had an impact, because Dungy is now turning to a higher power for advice on the issue. "I'll pray about it, try to get some wisdom from the Lord as to what to do," Dungy said. "If we decide to play our guys, which I'm sure they'll all want to play, I'll pray that they don't get hurt and we can go out and keep winning.'' Dec. 6 - 10:03 am et

jeff061 · 12-06-2005, 10:33 AM

I'd play them just to keep the momentum rolling into the playoffs.

Daimyo · 12-06-2005, 10:46 AM

Colts had a very soft schedule to start the season, but when all is said and done they will have played the Pats, Steelers, Bengals, Chargers, Seahawks, and Jaguars(twice) so strength of schedule shouldn't even enter the conversation if they go undefeated. If you want to talk about strength of schedule look at the '72 Dolphins... I believe that ranks as one of the easiest in NFL history with I believe only two teams at or above 500.

Kodos · 12-06-2005, 11:21 AM

It's almost like the Dolphins were in IHOF's famed Shitcan Division.

Greyroofoo · 12-06-2005, 07:46 PM

Does anyone else realize that the Tennessee game was Tony 100th victory as a head coach?

miami_fan · 12-06-2005, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

Does anyone else realize that the Tennessee game was Tony 100th victory as a head coach?

Actually we had a discussion at work about this. Assuming the Colts go to and win the Super Bowl, is Dungy then considered a great coach? At the end of his tenure in Tampa, he was thought of as a good coach who could not take a team to the next level. I am not sure that all of a sudden he learned how to take a team to the Super Bowl since he left Tampa. Now before anyone starts, THIS IS NOT A RACIAL QUESTION!

Desnudo · 12-06-2005, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

I can only imagine how the Patriot fans will try to trivialize the accomplishment if Peyton does lead them to a Super Bowl win following a perfect season. "Their schedule was soft blah blah blah..."

Their schedule was soft, blah blah blah.

Still think they're a good team though, obviously.

Antmeister · 12-06-2005, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

Actually we had a discussion at work about this. Assuming the Colts go to and win the Super Bowl, is Dungy then considered a great coach? At the end of his tenure in Tampa, he was thought of as a good coach who could not take a team to the next level. I am not sure that all of a sudden he learned how to take a team to the Super Bowl since he left Tampa. Now before anyone starts, THIS IS NOT A RACIAL QUESTION!

Good question. I have wondered about this, because I have a feeling that if they win the Super Bowl, most would say it was all because of Manning and little to do with Dungy.

Dungy was smart enough to understand not to change the offensive system when he got there and it has proven to pay off in the continued development of Manning. A number of other coaches would have brought in their own people to take over most of that.

And although the defense isn't the best in the league, they are good enough at this point to win games.

I believe he is very close to being a great coach and only because of his tenure and the amount of playoff appearances he has appeared in. A Super Bowl win and/or more will help him reach that great title and that title would be well deserved.

Daimyo · 12-06-2005, 09:50 PM

Dungy is a great coach. Tampa didn't win the super bowl because they changed coaches, they won because they added offensive talent to the team.

Ksyrup · 12-19-2005, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ThunderingHERD

The people bitching about the 72 Dolphins really need to get their facts straight:

From King's MMQB:

The Colts' loss to San Diego ended at 4:21 p.m. EST. By 6:07, quotes from seven 1972 Dolphins players, plus coach Don Shula, were in my e-mail, from the Miami PR staff. Efficient, to be sure. But does that team have to be so publicly joyful EVERY time the last unbeaten team loses a game, keeping the legacy of the only unbeaten NFL team ever intact?

I rest my case.

Butter · 12-19-2005, 10:36 AM

And they had a press conference... after which Steve Levy or some helpful Sportscenter wag on the 7 PM Sunday Sportscenter said "did they really need to hold a press conference for this?" or something similar.

Plus, when Bob Griese said "we were really pulling for them", you can hear Shula in the background saying, "what's this 'we' stuff?"

Cringer · 12-19-2005, 11:06 AM

I just voted 'Yes' for the Colts to go undefeated.

gstelmack · 12-19-2005, 11:09 AM

Ah, now I can go back to my rightful place rooting AGAINST Peyton and the Colts.

dubb93 · 12-19-2005, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Desnudo

Their schedule was soft, blah blah blah.

Even though we are no longer undefeated, I don't buy this excuse from a Pats fan. This season each team has a win over the following teams that are currently in the playoffs.

New England:

@ Pittsburgh, Tampa Bay

Indy:

Jacksonville, @ New England, @ Cincy, Pittsburgh, @ Jacksonville

It is just as much about who you play as who you beat?

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12-05-2005, 07:08 PM	#52
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	No, I want the Eagles to be the team to do it. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

12-06-2005, 07:10 AM	#58
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	Not perfect until you go though whole way, in my opinion. Still would be a hell of an achievement either way, soft schedule or not. As for the Pats era being over, not sure how anyone can say that until they have a season like this with a stable full of healthy players. But I'm not going to be parading around the idea of the Pats ending the Colts streak in the playoffs. I'd LOVE to see that, but this isn't 03 or 04 . __________________

12-06-2005, 07:11 AM	#59
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Didn't the Pats have a losing season after the first SB and still came back to win 2 more? I wouldn't bury them yet, even if this season ends with a whimper. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete." Last edited by Ksyrup : 12-06-2005 at 07:11 AM.

12-06-2005, 07:15 AM	#61
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	The first half of their schedule was undeniably soft. However, if they get through this entire season undeated, I don't see how anyone can suggest they didn't earn it. Just the next 3 weeks are going to be a good test. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

12-05-2005, 07:27 PM	#55
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	If I didn't say it before, this thread needs more trout.

12-05-2005, 08:01 PM	#56
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	I voted yes and it has nothing to do with the 72 team whose story gets WAAY overplayed. I am hoping that, with this being a copycat league, teams begin to emulate the Colts. They have had the same QB for 8 yrs, their starting RB has been there for 7 yrs, one of their starting WR has been 10 yrs, their O-Line has a couple new pieces but it also has guys who have been there for 5+ years. Finally they have has the same offensive coordinator for 8 yrs. In a league where you see coaches and coordinators getting fired and moving from team to team, it is nice to see what a team with a core group that is together that long.

12-06-2005, 07:43 AM	#65
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	When it was based off of last season . __________________

12-06-2005, 09:04 AM	#67
tanglewood College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2004	I voted no, only because I would like to see the Bengals win the Super Bowl. Colts would probably be my number 2 choice though.

12-06-2005, 10:21 AM	#68
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Looks like Dungy may be softening his stance a bit. And hey, if someone gets hurt, he can just blame God! Coach Tony Dungy reversed field a bit, saying he is unsure how he'll handle playing time once the Colts clinch homefield advantage. The e-mails and phone calls from Peyton Manning owners must have had an impact, because Dungy is now turning to a higher power for advice on the issue. "I'll pray about it, try to get some wisdom from the Lord as to what to do," Dungy said. "If we decide to play our guys, which I'm sure they'll all want to play, I'll pray that they don't get hurt and we can go out and keep winning.'' Dec. 6 - 10:03 am et __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

12-06-2005, 10:33 AM	#69
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	I'd play them just to keep the momentum rolling into the playoffs. __________________

12-06-2005, 10:46 AM	#70
Daimyo College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Berkeley	Colts had a very soft schedule to start the season, but when all is said and done they will have played the Pats, Steelers, Bengals, Chargers, Seahawks, and Jaguars(twice) so strength of schedule shouldn't even enter the conversation if they go undefeated. If you want to talk about strength of schedule look at the '72 Dolphins... I believe that ranks as one of the easiest in NFL history with I believe only two teams at or above 500.

12-06-2005, 11:21 AM	#71
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	It's almost like the Dolphins were in IHOF's famed Shitcan Division.

12-06-2005, 07:46 PM	#72
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	Does anyone else realize that the Tennessee game was Tony 100th victory as a head coach?

12-06-2005, 09:50 PM	#76
Daimyo College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Berkeley	Dungy is a great coach. Tampa didn't win the super bowl because they changed coaches, they won because they added offensive talent to the team.

12-19-2005, 10:36 AM	#78
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	And they had a press conference... after which Steve Levy or some helpful Sportscenter wag on the 7 PM Sunday Sportscenter said "did they really need to hold a press conference for this?" or something similar. Plus, when Bob Griese said "we were really pulling for them", you can hear Shula in the background saying, "what's this 'we' stuff?" __________________ My listening habits

12-19-2005, 11:06 AM	#79
Cringer Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edinburg,TX	I just voted 'Yes' for the Colts to go undefeated. __________________ You Stole Fizzy Lifting drinks! You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and steralized, so you get NOTHING! You lose! Last edited by Cringer : 12-19-2005 at 11:06 AM.

12-19-2005, 11:09 AM	#80
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	Ah, now I can go back to my rightful place rooting AGAINST Peyton and the Colts. __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

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