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Old 05-23-2005, 12:34 PM   #51
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+5 Apparently not four wrongs - rights - 6th - 6 + 5 = 11 = k

R?SNS?T KEPT ?I?E??S?LO??H??E
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Old 05-23-2005, 12:40 PM   #52
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-12 One more to Hardcastle’s average - 20 - 20th amendment - 20 - 12 = 8
-12 One more to Hardcastle’s average - 18 - 26th amendment - 26 - 12 = 14

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Old 05-23-2005, 12:54 PM   #53
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CodeClue #Amend.SumLetter
+15 Before the flash, harden your heartQuarter15318R
+14 Food and words get the same treatment14
+14 Double comes before finalJeopardy14519S
+10 Grand and petitSeizures10414N
+9 Memorable Mrs. HartPowers91019S
+9 Survivor interim objective9
+7 The original rock and roll deejayFreed71320T
+5 Apparently not four wrongsrights5611K
+3 Boone meant this, not a saloonBear325E
+2 Sweet, but watch the amino acidEqual21416P
+2 The exhibition must have retiredProhibition21820T
+1 Jack the Dripper’s objective1
+1 The king says don’t beCruel189I
-1 Places a burden on your shoulders-1
-2 Twelve more just like youJury-275E
-3 Elected, like our Texan friend-3
-3 Every poet’s inevitable source of knowledge-3
-4 Mr. T vehicle, without the cabDC-42319S
-4 Which way is the wind blowing, I wonder?-4
-9 Start eating your orange againRepeal-92112L
-10 Who exactly sits on the throne next?Succession-102515O
-10 Tuesday morning duty-10
-11 Kids know we were suffering through-11
-12 One more to Hardcastle’s average18-12208H
-15 These are my conditions, take it or leave it-15
-21 Academic freedom really starts here-21
-22 Before the day of a peanut barPay-21276F
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Old 05-23-2005, 01:08 PM   #54
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-3 Elected, like our Texan friend - President - Amendment 12
-11 Kids know we were suffering through - Suffrage - Amendment 19 or 26 - maybe 26 since kids are mentioned

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Old 05-23-2005, 01:11 PM   #55
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-10 Tuesday morning duty

Has to be voting, but 15, 17, 19 and 26 all relate to voting.

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Old 05-23-2005, 01:25 PM   #56
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There is a book of Jackson Pollock paintings entitled "No Limits, Just Edges," which I had hoped would result in:

+1 Jack the Dripper’s objective - no limits - 11th + 1 = 12 = l

R?SNS?T KEPT LI?E??S?LO??N??E

Then I realized that the 11th amendment actually serves to place limits on the judiciary. I suppose it could still work, though.
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Old 05-23-2005, 01:29 PM   #57
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There is a book of Jackson Pollock paintings entitled "No Limits, Just Edges," which I had hoped would result in:

+1 Jack the Dripper’s objective - no limits - 11th + 1 = 12 = l

R?SNS?T KEPT LI?E??S?LO??N??E

Then I realized that the 11th amendment actually serves to place limits on the judiciary. I suppose it could still work, though.

Just asking: could that clue be 'Freedom of expression' from the 1st?
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Old 05-23-2005, 01:30 PM   #58
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Just asking: could that clue be 'Freedom of expression' from the 1st?

That makes sense to me. The othe suggestion sounded like a bit of a stretch.
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Old 05-23-2005, 01:34 PM   #59
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Isn't there an amendment that gives immunity from prosecution?

edit: Article 11.

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Old 05-23-2005, 01:53 PM   #60
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Just asking: could that clue be 'Freedom of expression' from the 1st?

Wow, now I feel really stupid for discarding "expressionist" as a clue word so soon.

Which would make:

R?SNS?T KEPT BI?E??S?LO??N??E

Surely there are some errors in there, though.
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Old 05-23-2005, 01:54 PM   #61
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"R?SNS?T"

Something there seems wrong, especially the SNS part.
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Old 05-23-2005, 01:57 PM   #62
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"R?SNS?T"

Something there seems wrong, especially the SNS part.

Yeh, I know. Thing is though--the clues that make up that section are the ones that seem to be the most obviously correct.
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Old 05-23-2005, 03:30 PM   #63
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-1 Places a burden on your shoulders

Amendment 16, the right to tax. Tax being a burden on ones shoulders.


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I'm pretty sure this is the 11th Amendment, which gives immunity to states from prosecution of foreign enitities.

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Old 05-23-2005, 03:51 PM   #64
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Bump.

A good number of correct associations so far. Not quite three quarters, though.

Ah... I get it now. 3/4 of the states must approve an amendment. Unfortunately, that's not helpful in any way at this point.
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Old 05-23-2005, 03:54 PM   #65
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-1 Places a burden on your shoulders

Amendment 16, the right to tax. Tax being a burden on ones shoulders.


+9 Survivor interim objective

I'm pretty sure this is the 11th Amendment, which gives immunity to states from prosecution of foreign enitities.

Again, just as a devil's advocate, is the second one possibly 17 regarding popular vote?
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Old 05-23-2005, 04:00 PM   #66
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I don't know--does anyone have any other ideas besides adding the amendment # to the +/- of the clue? I've fiddled with it for a while and still haven't been able to come up with a sensible sentence.
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Old 05-23-2005, 04:03 PM   #67
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If it's 17, then adding 9 to it would equal 26 or Z.


-4 Which way is the wind blowing, I wonder?

That could be the popular vote one. Going where the wind blows.
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Old 05-23-2005, 04:14 PM   #68
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Another one that I thought had some merit:

-15 These are my conditions, take it or leave it -- final terms? last terms? -- 22nd amendment

I don't have my notes with me right now, but I seem to recall adding that letter only made things look even further muddled.
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Old 05-23-2005, 08:24 PM   #69
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-3 Elected, like our Texan friend - President - Amendment 12

Senator is from Texas. Direct election of Senators--17
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Old 05-23-2005, 08:30 PM   #70
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Has to be voting, but 15, 17, 19 and 26 all relate to voting.




Duty = Tax. Elimination of the Poll Tax. Amendment 24.
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Old 05-23-2005, 08:41 PM   #71
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Another one that I thought had some merit:

-15 These are my conditions, take it or leave it -- final terms? last terms? -- 22nd amendment

I don't have my notes with me right now, but I seem to recall adding that letter only made things look even further muddled.

This could also relate to the 15th amendment--the confederate states had to ratify as a condition upon readmission to the union (though this could also describe 13 and 14).
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Old 05-23-2005, 08:43 PM   #72
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-3 Elected, like our Texan friend - President - Amendment 12
-11 Kids know we were suffering through - Suffrage - Amendment 19 or 26 - maybe 26 since kids are mentioned

19 might make sense as kids may relate to motherhood--but is suffering-suffrage too obvious a clue?
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Old 05-23-2005, 08:49 PM   #73
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19 might make sense as kids may relate to motherhood--but is suffering-suffrage too obvious a clue?

The Scholhouse Rock song (for kids) was titled "Suffering Through Suffrage"
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Old 05-24-2005, 07:59 AM   #74
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-21 Academic freedom really starts here

I like the 26th Amendment here since 'academic freedom' could be going to college, which happens at 18.
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Old 05-24-2005, 12:04 PM   #75
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Just for reference, and to bring them to the 2nd page.
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Old 05-24-2005, 12:05 PM   #76
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Enigma Puzzle #38

+15 Before the flash, harden your heart
+14 Food and words get the same treatment
+14 Double comes before final
+10 Grand and petit
+9 Memorable Mrs. Hart
+9 Survivor interim objective
+7 The original rock and roll deejay
+5 Apparently not four wrongs
+3 Boone meant this, not a saloon
+2 Sweet, but watch the amino acid
+2 The exhibition must have retired
+1 Jack the Dripper’s objective
+1 The king says don’t be
-1 Places a burden on your shoulders
-2 Twelve more just like you
-3 Elected, like our Texan friend
-3 Every poet’s inevitable source of knowledge
-4 Mr. T vehicle, without the cab
-4 Which way is the wind blowing, I wonder?
-9 Start eating your orange again
-10 Who exactly sits on the throne next?
-10 Tuesday morning duty
-11 Kids know we were suffering through
-12 One more to Hardcastle’s average
-15 These are my conditions, take it or leave it
-21 Academic freedom really starts here
-22 Before the day of a peanut bar

Bringing to 2nd page, and for easy comparison.
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Old 05-24-2005, 03:02 PM   #77
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Duty = Tax. Elimination of the Poll Tax. Amendment 24.

That's really good. Better, in fact, than my original idea.

Alas... this one just amounts to "voting" and is probably only connected to a specific amendment by way of eliminating the others that also connect to that basic concept. Seems you've made some ground there already.



In general, maybe some reverse-solving would help to fill in the remaining blanks: see what amendments are left unattached, and consider possible "keywords" for them. That might help to inspire some solutions to the remaining puzzle bits.
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Old 05-24-2005, 03:15 PM   #78
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The thing that bothers me is that I can't make the beginnings of a sentence out of what we have so far. For the record, sorting by Amendment comes closer to a few words, but is still gibberish. Either we have some errors or the straight sum/letter substitution is off.
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Old 05-24-2005, 03:19 PM   #79
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The thing that bothers me is that I can't make the beginnings of a sentence out of what we have so far. For the record, sorting by Amendment comes closer to a few words, but is still gibberish. Either we have some errors or the straight sum/letter substitution is off.
RWSNSTTKEPTBIOEINSKLONHHGEF

That doesn't look like it's been sorted by amendment... wouldn't it start with B-E-R?
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Old 05-24-2005, 03:20 PM   #80
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BERNSKEIWSTITPKONTHHLGSNOEF

Edit: That is also forcing a few in places they may not belong.
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Old 05-24-2005, 03:23 PM   #81
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BERNSKEIWSTITPKONTHHLGSNOEF

Edit: That is also forcing a few in places they may not belong.

Thats odd, thats the name of my dog.
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Old 05-24-2005, 03:23 PM   #82
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Edit: That is also forcing a few in places they may not belong.

Maybe that's more harm than good.
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Old 05-24-2005, 03:25 PM   #83
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BERNSKEI?S?ITP?ONTHHLGS?OEF

That reflects the general consensus, I believe.
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Old 05-24-2005, 03:32 PM   #84
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I'm not so convinced everything there is correct... for instance "rights" (from the +5 clue), assuming that's correct, appear all over the amendments. Why the 6th amendment in particular? Seems like that could easily be, say, states' rights in the 10th, or citizenship rights in the 14th. Hell, the first ten are the Bill or Rights after all.

There may be other ambiguous, or flat out wrong, answers in there. The add-to-get-the-letter thing has to work somehow, it seems.

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Old 05-24-2005, 03:41 PM   #85
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I'm not so convinced everything there is correct... for instance "rights" (from the +5 clue), assuming that's correct, appear all over the amendments. Why the 6th amendment in particular? Seems like that could easily be, say, states' rights in the 10th, or citizenship rights in the 14th. Hell, the first ten are the Bill or Rights after all.

There may be other ambiguous, or flat out wrong, answers in there. The add-to-get-the-letter thing has to work somehow, it seems.

Are we operating under the assumption that there is no 'wrapping' of the alphabet? If there is no wrapping, then we know that -21 and -22 HAVE to be Amendments 21/22 thru 27 since Amendment 20 - 21 would take us past the letter A. Likewise, +14 for food and words would have to be Amendment 11 or under.

Of course if the alphabet seems to wrap, then never mind.
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Seems like a worthwhile lead to me. Have't seen any of the solid answers that needed anything but simple addition yet.
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Old 05-24-2005, 03:48 PM   #87
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BERNSKEIWSTITPKONTHHLGSNOEF



We might have to unscramble the letters to form a phrase. It just seems like we have enough of them right that we should be able to identify more words than KEPT.
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Old 05-24-2005, 03:54 PM   #88
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Gentlemen, be advised that a minor tweak to the puzzle has been made. Turns out it's an adjustment to one of the clues still unsolved, so it shouldn't have had any effect on the progress thus far. But perhaps from the revised list of clues, after the adjustment, you will be steered in a helpful direction.


Slightly Corrected Clue List

+15 Before the flash, harden your heart
+14 Double comes before final
+10 Grand and petit
+9 Memorable Mrs. Hart
+9 Survivor interim objective
+7 The original rock and roll deejay
+5 Apparently not four wrongs
+3 Boone meant this, not a saloon
+2 Sweet, but watch the amino acid
+2 The exhibition must have retired
+1 Jack the Dripper’s objective
+1 The king says don’t be
-1 Places a burden on your shoulders
-2 Twelve more just like you
-3 Elected, like our Texan friend
-3 Every poet’s inevitable source of knowledge
-4 Mr. T vehicle, without the cab
-4 Which way is the wind blowing, I wonder?
-4 Food and words get the same treatment
-9 Start eating your orange again
-10 Who exactly sits on the throne next?
-10 Tuesday morning duty
-11 Kids know we were suffering through
-12 One more to Hardcastle’s average
-15 These are my conditions, take it or leave it
-21 Academic freedom really starts here
-22 Before the day of a peanut bar
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Gee, thanks.
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Old 05-24-2005, 03:58 PM   #90
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It's the 'food and words' clue. Now -4
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Maybe this'll help:

Article [I.]



Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Article [II.]



A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Article [III.]



No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Article [IV.]



The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Article [V.]



No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Article [VI.]



In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

Article [VII.]



In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Article [VIII.]



Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Article [IX.]



The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Article [X.]



The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

[Article XI.]



The Judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to extend to any suit in law or equity, commenced or prosecuted against one of the United States by Citizens of another State, or by Citizens or Subjects of any Foreign State.

[Article XII.]



The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;--The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;--The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President. (See Note 14)--The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

Article XIII.



Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Article XIV.



Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age,(See Note 15) and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

Article XV.



Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Article XVI.



The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

[Article XVII.]



The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each State shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the State legislatures.

When vacancies happen in the representation of any State in the Senate, the executive authority of such State shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies: Provided, That the legislature of any State may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct.

This amendment shall not be so construed as to affect the election or term of any Senator chosen before it becomes valid as part of the Constitution.

Article [XVIII]



Section 1. After one year from the ratification of this article the manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors within, the importation thereof into, or the exportation thereof from the United States and all territory subject to the jurisdiction thereof for beverage purposes is hereby prohibited.

Section. 2. The Congress and the several States shall have concurrent power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Section. 3. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of the several States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission hereof to the States by the Congress.

Article [XIX].



The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Article [XX.]



Section 1. The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin.

Section. 2. The Congress shall assemble at least once in every year, and such meeting shall begin at noon on the 3d day of January, unless they shall by law appoint a different day.

Section. 3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.

Section. 4. The Congress may by law provide for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the House of Representatives may choose a President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them, and for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the Senate may choose a Vice President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them.

Section. 5. Sections 1 and 2 shall take effect on the 15th day of October following the ratification of this article.

Section. 6. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission.

Article [XXI.]



Section 1. The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.

Section 2. The transportation or importation into any State, Territory, or possession of the United States for delivery or use therein of intoxicating liquors, in violation of the laws thereof, is hereby prohibited.

Section 3. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by conventions in the several States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission hereof to the States by the Congress.

Amendment XXII



Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

Section 2. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several states within seven years from the date of its submission to the states by the Congress.

Amendment XXIII



Section 1. The District constituting the seat of government of the United States shall appoint in such manner as the Congress may direct:

A number of electors of President and Vice President equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives in Congress to which the District would be entitled if it were a state, but in no event more than the least populous state; they shall be in addition to those appointed by the states, but they shall be considered, for the purposes of the election of President and Vice President, to be electors appointed by a state; and they shall meet in the District and perform such duties as provided by the twelfth article of amendment.

Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Amendment XXIV



Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Amendment XXV



Section 1. In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.

Section 2. Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.

Section 3. Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President.

Section 4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.

Amendment XXVI



Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States, who are 18 years of age or older, to vote, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state on account of age.

Section 2. The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Amendment XXVII

No law varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives shall take effect until an election of Representatives shall have intervened. [/quote]
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Old 05-24-2005, 09:32 PM   #92
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Are we operating under the assumption that there is no 'wrapping' of the alphabet? If there is no wrapping, then we know that -21 and -22 HAVE to be Amendments 21/22 thru 27 since Amendment 20 - 21 would take us past the letter A. Likewise, +14 for food and words would have to be Amendment 11 or under.

Of course if the alphabet seems to wrap, then never mind.

I was thinking the 12th Amendment might fit the -21 clue--Academic freedom relating to the electoral college, but it's a tenuous answer at best, and wouldn't fit your assumption.
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Old 05-24-2005, 09:56 PM   #93
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In general, maybe some reverse-solving would help to fill in the remaining blanks: see what amendments are left unattached, and consider possible "keywords" for them. That might help to inspire some solutions to the remaining puzzle bits.

Possible key words for amendments I'm not convinced we've got nailed down.

6th--Speedy Trial
9th--??? Reservation of rights to the people.
12th--Electoral College? Election of President?
15th--Voting (race)
16th--Income Tax
20th--Lame Duck
22nd--Term Limits
24th--Poll Tax
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enigma,

Can you verify that +2 Sweet, but watch the amino acid is correct? It would make much more sense to me if it were -2
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Old 05-24-2005, 11:13 PM   #95
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Anyway, if that was -2 instead of +2, my figuring leaves me with"

Bernstein's title on the last one

if that indeed should be a + 2 then I have:

Bernstein's tit peon, the last one

Which is interesting, although I doubt correct.
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I tried "Maestro," but no go
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Either way, it's definately Bernstein. Carl or Leonard?
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David Bernstein is apparently one of the figures of this "Constitution in Exile" movement, I wonder if that's somehow related
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Anyway, if that was -2 instead of +2, my figuring leaves me with"

Bernstein's title on the last one

Go with that. Sorry for the sign slip-up.
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The puzzle has been solved.
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