Another Friday Puzzle

[Bee]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

Since the final set of numbers are all 25 or less, it could work in similar fashion.

what FNLNLN to use though?

[gstelmack]

There's a possibility of a band here. Searching on September 19, 1970 (Blysma's birthday, so the start of his journey) reveals lots of concerts. Maybe a band that played in the Midwest as part of a tour?

[Simms]

Jim said the first part of the puzzle is done, but there still really hasn't been a conclusion as to what 1-1-1-1-1-2-1-1-3-1-1-4 means. Or did I miss it being used somehow?

[QuikSand]

Hmmm... I don't think we have yet used the 111112113114 material yet. Perhaps that is the "key" to solving the last set of numbers?

[Simms]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

There's a possibility of a band here. Searching on September 19, 1970 (Blysma's birthday, so the start of his journey) reveals lots of concerts. Maybe a band that played in the Midwest as part of a tour?

That was the date of the MTM Show premiere. I'm not sure any other connections are necessary beyond that one.

[rkmsuf]

Come on guys, it's so simple. Maybe you need refresher course.

[Simms]

Thinking out loud (and building slightly on what somebody posted earlier), could that be a sequence of four numbers?

111, 112, 113, 114

[JeeberD]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

Hmmm... I don't think we have yet used the 111112113114 material yet.

That's probably why it was solved, "albeit through an unusual route."

[QuikSand]

For what it's worth (maybe nothingn at all) there is yet another song entitled "Love Is All Around" that is reasonably familiar:

- - -

Love is all Around
written by Reg Presley


I feel it in my fingers
I feel it in my toes
The love that's all around me
And so the feeling grows
It's written on the wind
It's everywhere I go
So if you really love me
Come on and let it show
You know I love you, I always will
My mind's made up by the way that I feel
There's no beginning, there'll be no end
'Cause on my love you can depend
I see your face before me
As I lay on my bed
I cannot get to thinking
Of all the things you said
You gave your promise to me and I gave mine to you
I need someone beside me in everything I do
You know I love you, I always will
My mind's made up by the way that I feel
There's no beginning, there'll be no end
'Cause on my love you can depend
I got to keep it moving
It's written in the wind
Oh everywhere I go
So if you really love me
Come on and let it show
Come on and let it,
Come on and let it,
Come on and let it,
Come on and let it show

[Simms]

Even if we didn't use it for the first part, understanding what they mean might help us solve the second part.

[QuikSand]

Just reposting the second part, for ease of reference:

Originally Posted by Solecismic

The first part of this puzzle contains the keys to unlocking the second. But that's not all you'll need. You'll also need to hunt down a reference. And apply it to this fine piece of numerology.

4-5-3-2-23-5-7-19-2-3-20-10-5-10-2-1-13-2-3-10-7-2-12-5-7-20-3-5-12-1-3-6-3-3-21-3

[Simms]

Reg Presley is a member of the Troggs, the band who did Wild Thing.

Again, just fwiw...

[Buzzbee]

You'll also need to hunt down a reference.


A reference book? Such as a dictionary, encyclopedia, thesaurus? I'm sure I'm just tossing out red herrings, but I'm trying to help. Really I am.

*Actually I'm being paid an INSANE amount of money by Jim to throw everyone off track so that his puzzles don't seem too easy. So far I'm doing a pretty good job.*





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[Buzzbee]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Come on guys, it's so simple. Maybe you need refresher course.

refresher course

reference


There's a hint here, I'm just too dense to see it.

[QuikSand]

I tried using the letters of "LOVE IS ALL AROUND" as a key like above, and adding or subtracting the numerals in the list -- but nothing promising results.

[Simms]

The MTM theme of the same title was performed by Sonny Curtis, who, among other things was a member of Buddy Holly's band, The Crickets, and wrote I Fought the Law.

Totally useless info, no doubt...just brainstorming here.

[Buzzbee]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

4-5-3-2-23-5-7-19-2-3-20-10-5-10-2-1-13-2-3-10-7-2-12-5-7-20-3-5-12-1-3-6-3-3-21-3

If this is a simple substitution, then there is only one instance of repeating letters, in the 3rd and 4th from the last positions.

Of course if it is a formulaic substitution such as the first part, this is meaningless.

[Bad-example]

Since a couple people have mentioned songs they think might be relevant, is there any chance that Jim's use of the word Journey twice could be important?

[Buzzbee]

36 letters seems like it might be too long for a band name, or even a song title. Just my thought.

[Simms]

Not necessarily, if we assume the FNLNLN combination from part one.

[Solecismic]

I think the worst thing that happened here was that the first part of the puzzle was solved out of order.

[VPI97]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

We'll open with a story of an author who happens to be an athlete. Or an athlete who happens to be an author. At any rate, he is a wingman, a family man and often a Thalassorninae and the proud owner of 19 career tallies at the highest level. Most recently, this member of the Anatidae family was spotted with a 27 on his back, though in his prouder days, you could find an A for effort.

Step 1 - Determine who is being described.
Answer - Dan Bylsma

Originally Posted by Solecismic

Part One. Is it a simple substitution, or is there more?

1-1-1-1-1-2-1-1-3-1-1-4
FNLNLN
081408031007082511251903020103

Step 2 - Figure out the complex substitution
Answer -

1-1-1-1-1-2-1-1-3-1-1-4 = ???
FNLNLN = First name, last name, last name
081408031007082511251903020103 = 15 numbers

Process used:
FNFNFN corresponds to DANBYLSMABYLSMA. Take value of each letter (1-26) and add to 15 numbers from the line listed above to get:

12-15-22-05-09-19-01-12-12-01-18-15-21-14-04
aka
LOVEISALLAROUND

Obviously, 1-1-1-1-1-2-1-1-3-1-1-4 should be relevant somewhere, but if the answer to part One was 'LOVEISALLAROUND', was it necessary?

[Buzzbee]

Perhaps it described the way to breakdown the string of numbers. QS just kinda intuitively broke it down into groups of two.

1-1-1
1-1-2
1-1-3
1-1-4

Could also be:
Row 1 - 1,1
Row 2 - 1,1
Row 3 - 1,1
Row 4 - 1,1

Again, just thinking out loud.

[digamma]

Love is all around is also the title to the first episode of MTM.

Is it too elementary to think the new key might be MaryMooreMoore or maybe MaryRichardsRichards?

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by digamma

Is it too elementary to think the new key might be MaryMooreMoore or maybe MaryRichardsRichards?

Starting with MARY and either adding or subtracting gets me gobbledygook...

[Bee]

Interesting that the numbers in the second part is not in the same format as those in the first part. Could be just for clarity sake though.

[Buzzbee]

Originally Posted by Bee

grasping at more straws...that probably aren't even there...

if FNLNLN = firstname, lastname, lastname as some type of code for solving the 3rd line then Dan Bylsma Bylsma would have 15 letters (the same number of number sets in the 3rd line). Just a wild thought. Not sure how it would fit...

I'm confused as to why we think there is a FNLNLN connection for the 2nd step.

It worked for the first step because there was a 1 to 1 correlation between the number of letters in DanBylsmaBylsma and the number of digits in the string of numbers (when broken down by two).

However, the string of numbers in the second step is already broken down, an it is 36 numbers. It just doesn't seem to fit.

[Bee]

Originally Posted by Buzzbee

I'm confused as to why we think there is a FNLNLN connection for the 2nd step.

It worked for the first step because there was a 1 to 1 correlation between the number of letters in DanBylsmaBylsma and the number of digits in the string of numbers (when broken down by two).

However, the string of numbers in the second step is already broken down, an it is 36 numbers. It just doesn't seem to fit.

I think the thinking has been that the FNLNLN is one of the "keys" from part 1 to be used to solve part 2. Of course, that may be a false assumption considering the lack of success we've had so far.

[Bee]

Something that might be just coincidence or might be meaningful...but there's 12 numbers in the 1-1-1-1-1-2-1-1-3-1-1-4 number string and 36 numbers in the second part number string. They might somehow fit together if we can figure out what the first part actually meant.

[Bee]

Also, just grasping again...

But isn't there a famous line in the MTM theme song...something about making it and "your going to do it" or something like that? Perhaps that's 36 letters?

Sorry, I'm old but MTM was even before my time.

[VPI97]

'You're going to make it after all' or 'You're gonna make it after all'

[Solecismic]

I've made a slight addition to the puzzle description to try and illustrate my recent comments a little better. I don't want to give too much away, so I'm going to leave for a while.

[QuikSand]

Regrettably, i don't have a pasted version of the original... but I believe this is new:

Part Two. Why do we care?

I'm not sure how much that clears up.

What else is new in there, anyone?

[Buzzbee]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

I think the worst thing that happened here was that the first part of the puzzle was solved out of order.

Originally Posted by Solecismic

I've made a slight addition to the puzzle description to try and illustrate my recent comments a little better. I don't want to give too much away, so I'm going to leave for a while.

Originally Posted by solecismic

Why do we care?

As far as I'm aware, "why do we care" was the only addition.

Any ideas how or why that relates to the puzzle being solved out of order?

[Buzzbee]

Why do we care about what? The fact that Dan Bylsma and the MTM show were both "born" on 9-17-1970? That love is all around?

Is there a connection between Dan Bylsma and MTM?

[VPI97]

The proper context for the addition is probably:

Love is all around

Why do we care?

[Buzzbee]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

Here's another puzzle to torture you. It may turn out very easy, as the solving part will go very quickly once you have the keys figured out. Or it may have you completely stuck. I hope this goes over well...

There are some familiar elements to this puzzle and many that aren't.

We'll open with a story of an author who happens to be an athlete. Or an athlete who happens to be an author. At any rate, he is a wingman, a family man and often a Thalassorninae and the proud owner of 19 career tallies at the highest level. Most recently, this member of the Anatidae family was spotted with a 27 on his back, though in his prouder days, you could find an A for effort.

Part One. Is it a simple substitution, or is there more?

1-1-1-1-1-2-1-1-3-1-1-4
FNLNLN
081408031007082511251903020103

Breaking it up, we get the "answer" Love is all around. But we don't know what to do with it or why it is important. So, step 2 below helps us make the connection between Dan Bylsma and Love is all around - Love is all around is the theme song and title of the first Mary Tyler Moore episode, which first aired on Bylsma's birthday. Of course we still don't know how to use Love is all around/Dan Bylsma/ Mary Tyler Moore to "convert" the string of numbers into a string of letters.

Part Two. Why do we care?

The first hint of fall was in the air, nothing unusual about this western Michigan day more than 30 years ago. Only it was a day with two beginnings. One important only to his family and select friends. The other important to millions in a classic sense, though only to those following a journey continued, that day, elsewhere in the Midwest. We now turn our focus toward that latter journey.

The first part of this puzzle contains the keys to unlocking the second. But that's not all you'll need. You'll also need to hunt down a reference. And apply it to this fine piece of numerology.

4-5-3-2-23-5-7-19-2-3-20-10-5-10-2-1-13-2-3-10-7-2-12-5-7-20-3-5-12-1-3-6-3-3-21-3

Best of luck.

I got nothin'

[dacman]

1-1-1-1-1-2-1-1-3-1-1-4

The first part of this puzzle contains the keys to unlocking the second.

Double keyed? Maybe we have to solve the first thing because the last step requires 2 keys?

[Solecismic]

It looks like momentum is gone here.

There have been several individual insights, enough that I've thought a couple of times that someone would make the breakthrough. But they've been ignored.

I'll push a bit more. I added the note about "Part Two" because Quik went ahead and solved part of part two by brute force (searching on the birthdate) before part one was completed. By doing so, almost everyone has missed a piece of vital information.

Look at VPI's summary of part one and you'll see what I mean.

[Buzzbee]

Originally Posted by vpi97

Step 1 - Determine who is being described.
Answer - Dan Bylsma

Step 2 - Figure out the complex substitution
Answer -

1-1-1-1-1-2-1-1-3-1-1-4 = ???
FNLNLN = First name, last name, last name
081408031007082511251903020103 = 15 numbers

Process used:
FNFNFN corresponds to DANBYLSMABYLSMA. Take value of each letter (1-26) and add to 15 numbers from the line listed above to get:

12-15-22-05-09-19-01-12-12-01-18-15-21-14-04
aka
LOVEISALLAROUND

Obviously, 1-1-1-1-1-2-1-1-3-1-1-4 should be relevant somewhere, but if the answer to part One was 'LOVEISALLAROUND', was it necessary?

For easy reference...

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

...By doing so, almost everyone has missed a piece of vital information.

Look at VPI's summary of part one and you'll see what I mean.

Is that so?

[QuikSand]

So, Friday has come and gone. Any new set of eyes have a better shot with this one?

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by dacman

Double keyed? Maybe we have to solve the first thing because the last step requires 2 keys?

Musical keys (notes)?

[BillyNYC]

We have perhaps 111-114 and something with MTM.

Episodes 111-114 were:
111 - An Affair to Forget
112 - Mary Richards: Producer
113 - The System
114 - Phyllis Whips Inflation

Taken from: http://tvland.classictvhits.com/Mary...re/EpList.html

Don't know if this has to do with anything, but figured I'd throw it out there

[cuervo72]

Ooooohhhh......nice association.

[Raven Hawk]

Somebody mentioned it earlier, but I bet the reference that we need to "hunt" down is Helen Hunt, who played Lori Slaughter on the MTM show. That's all I got.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by BillyNYC

We have perhaps 111-114 and something with MTM.

Episodes 111-114 were:
111 - An Affair to Forget
112 - Mary Richards: Producer
113 - The System
114 - Phyllis Whips Inflation

Taken from: http://tvland.classictvhits.com/Mary...re/EpList.html

Don't know if this has to do with anything, but figured I'd throw it out there

I'm really grasping at straws here....but MTM was set in Minnesota. I can't recall, but is Jim a Vikings fan? Because the air dates for MTM episodes 111, 112, 113 and 114 were 12/21/74, 1/4/75, 1/11/75, 1/18/75. Right around this time, the Vikings were in the playoffs; 12/21 they beat the Cardinals 30-12, 12/29 they beat the Rams 14-10 in the NFC Championship, and 1/12/75 they lost Super Bowl IX to the Steelers, 16-6.

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

You'll also need to hunt down a reference. And apply it to this fine piece of numerology.

4-5-3-2-23-5-7-19-2-3-20-10-5-10-2-1-13-2-3-10-7-2-12-5-7-20-3-5-12-1-3-6-3-3-21-3

I tried to use HELEN HUNT in the same way we did DAN BYLSMA, but again got gibberish.

[cuervo72]

Oh, not relevant, but found this interesting (and remember it from Nick at Night, now that I'm reminded):

#113 "The System"

gs: Tom Pedi [ Al ], John Gabriel [ Andy Rivers ]

rc: Georgette

When Ted astonishes everyone by coming up with a winning system for betting on football games, Lou goes into partnership with him, and bets all their winnings for the season on the Super Bowl, without telling Ted.
Note: In this episode, Lou bets on the Pittsburgh Steelers, who lose the Super Bowl. In real life, he would have won. In Super Bowl IX, played in New Orleans the day after The System was first broadcast, the Steelers beat the Minnesota Vikings by a score of 16-6.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

I tried to use HELEN HUNT in the same way we did DAN BYLSMA, but again got gibberish.

I was going to try LAURIE SLAUGHTER, but I don't think that would work; FNLNLN would be 24 letters, but Jim lists 36 numbers.