NFL Week 16

[ColtCrazy]

Impressed with the Colts today. Best performance since their Bronco win.

In fantasy, I'm up 70. But he still has Foles, McCoy, Vernon Davis, and Crabtree.
I have either Cutler or Kaepernick. I'm thinking Kaepernick right now to offset anything Davis/Crabtree do.
Will feel better after the Eagles game about things.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

So, if Tomlin potentially costing the Ravens 4 potential points is allegedly going to cost a 4th round pick, what will the league owe the Steelers for outright botching a call that became 7 points?

A "tough shit"?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

Strange to see a guy with two Super Bowl MVPs going through a season where a lot of his troubles are with his decision-making.

This is going to sound like an excuse since most of us know I am a huge Giants fan, but he has had no time to throw the ball, the O- Line has been terrible.. That being said he does try to force it to much instead of taking a sack, but that is just the way he is. I will also say probably 10-13 of his picks were receivers running the wrong route, tipped passes, etc...Still though, a brutal season.

[Jon]

Originally Posted by Radii

GO CARDS!!

So apparently if Seattle loses next week (at home vs St Louis), Carolina wins, and San Francisco wins out, Carolina can still get the 1 seed in the NFC. Seems incredibly unlikely, but this was a start!

Or if Carolina loses and the rest happens, San Francisco gets the number one overall seed....

[EagleFan]

Poor call in that Seattle game. That ball clearly hit the ground.

[Solecismic]

Originally Posted by Lathum

This is going to sound like an excuse since most of us know I am a huge Giants fan, but he has had no time to throw the ball, the O- Line has been terrible.. That being said he does try to force it to much instead of taking a sack, but that is just the way he is. I will also say probably 10-13 of his picks were receivers running the wrong route, tipped passes, etc...Still though, a brutal season.

That last one, though. He misread the coverage and overthrew into cover-2 on first down when they needed about 15 yards for a winning field-goal try. I don't think Eli of past years makes those mistakes. Something's wrong with his game prep.

[EagleFan]

Today we've secretly swapped Eli Manning and Tony Romo, let's see if anyone notices...

[kingfc22]

Does anybody want the NFC North?

[mckerney]

Matt Flynn! Woo woo woo!

[Lathum]

Why on earth are the Giants throwing the ball?

[Lathum]

I am very conflicted. I can't root against the Giants but I want them to lose to get a better draft pick.

Plus my 2 up boss is a huge Lions fan so it will be fun to needle him.

[jbergey22]

Stafford doesnt have the X-factor to be great. Talent yes.

[mckerney]

Anyone want to strangle the announcer in the Steelers - Packers game when he kept going on about how, "Tomlin didn't want to have to burn that timeout and stop the clock for the Packers," when the previous play was an incomplete pass? Because I did.

[Solecismic]

I don't see Green Bay as having beaten Pittsburgh. Yet the announcers are calling Detroit eliminated. Is there just a delay in results out of the tundra?

[mckerney]

Nick Perry! Woo woo woo!

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

I don't see Green Bay as having beaten Pittsburgh. Yet the announcers are calling Detroit eliminated. Is there just a delay in results out of the tundra?

Giants beat the Lions

[EagleFan]

Looks like the Packers let them score there. Gives them some time at least.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Looks like the Packers let them score there. Gives them some time at least.

When you have Flynn you can afford to do that

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Giants beat the Lions

But the Lions should have the tiebreaker over Chicago if they both finish 8-8 and Green Bay goes 7-8-1.

Edit: Ah, nevermind. Forgot Green Bay and Chicago play next week so one of those team will finish ahead of Detroit.

[Solecismic]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Giants beat the Lions

Yes. That's the game I had on. So Chicago is 8-6, Detroit 7-8, Green Bay 7-6-1, Detroit holds the tie-breaker over Chicago at 8-8. If Green Bay wins, Detroit's out, but what am I missing?

[EagleFan]

Nice return, rough face-plant at the end.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I am very conflicted. I can't root against the Giants but I want them to lose to get a better draft pick.

Plus my 2 up boss is a huge Lions fan so it will be fun to needle him.

Yeah, this situation pretty much sucks. Vikings have been there since week 3. I just try to think of all of the busted draft choices so it makes me feel better when they win.

[Solecismic]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

Yes. That's the game I had on. So Chicago is 8-6, Detroit 7-8, Green Bay 7-6-1, Detroit holds the tie-breaker over Chicago at 8-8. If Green Bay wins, Detroit's out, but what am I missing?

Oh... Green Bay plays Chicago next week. That's what I'm missing.

[EagleFan]

What are they doing? They could have had 4 shots at the endzone.

[mckerney]

5 yard penalty and 10 second run off? NICE!

[bhlloy]

What the hell was Flynn doing letting 6 seconds run off the clock before snapping the ball? That whole last minute was braindead but he just decided not to snap it for some reason. Inexcusable.

[EagleFan]

That end game was a complete cluster. 1st and goal with plenty of time for 4 tries and they end it that way, wow.

[SirFozzie]

Man, THREE Eff You TDs for the Pats in the final three minutes (2 of them defensive).

That's nuts.

[tucker rocky]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

What the hell was Flynn doing letting 6 seconds run off the clock before snapping the ball? That whole last minute was braindead but he just decided not to snap it for some reason. Inexcusable.

I guess the ref had to wake Flynn up there at the end.
Still though, Flynn could've spike the ball for one last shot on 4th down.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by tucker rocky

I guess the ref had to wake Flynn up there at the end.
Still though, Flynn could've spike the ball for one last shot on 4th down.

That was the other odd thing, almost seemed like the ref at least wanted to say... "dude, wtf, the clock is running"

[weegeebored]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

Yes. That's the game I had on. So Chicago is 8-6, Detroit 7-8, Green Bay 7-6-1, Detroit holds the tie-breaker over Chicago at 8-8. If Green Bay wins, Detroit's out, but what am I missing?

The Bears play the Packers the last week so one of them has to win (although I suppose there could be another tie).

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by weegeebored

The Bears play the Packers the last week so one of them has to win (although I suppose there could be another tie).

A tie between GB and Chicago would put Chicago in at 8-7-1 over Detroit's 8-8.

[TroyF]

There are plenty of diverse fans here and we don't have 100% agreement about a lot of things.

That said, outside of a couple of Packers/Bears/Vikings fans, is there anyone here that thinks Jim Schwartz gets the most out of his players and should remain coach for another season of the Detroit Lions?

[weegeebored]

Yeah, I missed the previous posts about Chi and GB playing the last week in replying to Jim's post. And to paraphrase Denny Green, "The Lions are who we thought they were."

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by TroyF

There are plenty of diverse fans here and we don't have 100% agreement about a lot of things.

That said, outside of a couple of Packers/Bears/Vikings fans, is there anyone here that thinks Jim Schwartz gets the most out of his players and should remain coach for another season of the Detroit Lions?

I was kind of hoping he'd hang around long enough to get into a fist fight with Jim Harbaugh.

[SirFozzie]

Ok, Here's I think the playoff scenarios

(note: In a weird twist of fate, NO team controls their own destiny, they all need help from other teams)

And no, I'm not throwing ties in there, because.. well fuck ties

Baltimore qualifies with:

WIN and loss by either Miami or San Diego
LOSS and Miami, San Diego and Pittsburgh Losses

Miami Qualifies with
WIN and either loss by Baltimore OR Baltimore and San Diego wins (three way tiebreaker)

San Diego Qualifies with:
WIN and Baltimore and Miami Losses

Pittsburgh Qualifies with
WIN, Chargers, Ravens and Dolphins All Lose.

[Vince, Pt. II]

What a crazy day of football. I believe the scenario for the 1-2-5-6 seeds in the NFC is thus:

Seattle:
-1 with a win next week
-2 with a loss next week, a Carolina win and one or more 49er losses
-5 with a loss next week and 2 49er wins

Carolina:
-1 with a win next week, a Seattle loss next week and 2 49er wins
-2 with a win next week and at least one loss by the 49ers
-2 with a loss next week and a loss by the Saints next week
-5 with a loss next week, a win by the Saints next week and at least 1 49er loss
-6 with a loss next week, 2 49er wins and a Saints win next week

San Francisco:
-1 with 2 wins and a loss by Carolina and Seattle next week
-2 with 2 wins, a loss by Seattle and a win by Carolina next week
-5 with 2 wins OR 1 win and a loss by the Saints next week
-6 with 1 win and a win by the Saints next week OR 2 losses and a Saints loss next week
-Out of the playoffs with 2 losses AND a Saints win next week

New Orleans:
-2 with a win next week and a Carolina loss next week
-5 with a win next week, a Carolina win and at least one 49er loss
-6 with a win next week, a Carolina win and 2 49er wins
-Out of the playoffs with a loss and an Arizona win next week

Arizona:
-5 with a win next week, a 49er loss tonight and a Saints loss next week
-6 with a win next week, a 49er win tonight and a Saints loss next week
-Out of the playoffs with a loss next week

Does that about cover it, not accounting for ties?

[Lathum]

I wonder if the distractions are getting to Seattle

[cartman]

It is crazy with as bad as the Cowboys have played at times this season, they are only a total of 6 points away from being 12-3 right now instead of 8-7. Also crazy that for the third straight season, they have a win or go home game for both teams on the last day of the season against a fellow NFC East opponent.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

That last one, though. He misread the coverage and overthrew into cover-2 on first down when they needed about 15 yards for a winning field-goal try. I don't think Eli of past years makes those mistakes. Something's wrong with his game prep.

Eli has always been:

1) Inaccurate
2) Turnover prone

All these are career numbers:

QB A: 63.5% completion rate, 3.01% (INT+Fumble/drop back rate)
QB B: 65.4%, 3.14%
QB C: 58.6%, 4.59%
QB D: 62.0%, 3.83%
QB E: 64.6%, 3.60%

A is Brady, B is P. Manning, D is Brett Favre, E is Tony Romo, C is Eli.

Sure, he's played in Jersey, but Favre and Brady haven't exactly had great weather either. He had a couple of years where he got the turnovers in control AND completed a good rate of passes. In 2008, 2009 and 2011 he was pretty damned good. Still could have been more accurate, but the people who say he isn't a top 5 QB actually had a tough time getting around those stats. The problem the supporters face is he's been a QB for 9 seasons, not 3. (full time starter in 9, I'm not counting his rookie season of 9 games)

Problem for those of us who think these problems have been present forever is the 2 Super Bowls and those amazing 4th quarters. Those cannot be denied. So do I say he's a great QB because he has the two titles and a guy caught a football on the side of his head or do I say he's been pretty damned average for much of his career?

Neither. I'll say he's an above average QB with some monumental flaws who overcame them to win two titles. If he had the back story of Romo and not the back story of being in QB royalty, that's the story that would be played. The Eli haters can't stand him being compared in the same breath as his brother and they are right. They are just missing the overall narrative and aren't enjoying the things he has done enough.

[Vince, Pt. II]

Also, tonight in my fantasy football championship:

Team A (+11 right now):
Jay Cutler
Martellus Bennet

Team B (-11):
Nick Foles
Brandon Marshall

[tucker rocky]

Originally Posted by TroyF

There are plenty of diverse fans here and we don't have 100% agreement about a lot of things.

That said, outside of a couple of Packers/Bears/Vikings fans, is there anyone here that thinks Jim Schwartz gets the most out of his players and should remain coach for another season of the Detroit Lions?

Marvin Lewis comes to mind, but the Bengals have stuck with him.
Lions should do the same with Schwartz.

GM for the Lions(whomever it is), needs to do a better job of drafting, and bringing in better players out of FA.

[Vince, Pt. II]

Originally Posted by TroyF

Eli has always been:

1) Inaccurate
2) Turnover prone

All these are career numbers:

QB A: 63.5% completion rate, 3.01% (INT+Fumble/drop back rate)
QB B: 65.4%, 3.14%
QB C: 58.6%, 4.59%
QB D: 62.0%, 3.83%
QB E: 64.6%, 3.60%

A is Brady, B is P. Manning, D is Brett Favre, E is Tony Romo, C is Eli.

Eli's not in the same universe as the other guys posted, statistically. I'd be interested to see statistical comps in these categories. What QBs are similar to him, even historically? Eli's a really hard guy to slot when it comes to legacy, because he DOES have those rings.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by tucker rocky

Marvin Lewis comes to mind, but the Bengals have stuck with him.
Lions should do the same with Schwartz.

So they can have the same amount of playoff success the Bengals have under Lewis?

[DaddyTorgo]

If Eli doesn't have the last name that he has I'm pretty confident he doesn't have a starting QB job with that sort of completion % and turnover rate.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

If Eli doesn't have the last name that he has I'm pretty confident he doesn't have a starting QB job with that sort of completion % and turnover rate.

Jesus what an ignorant statement. I guess we just throw out the 2 titles, most 4th quarter comebacks in a season, Superbowl MVPs, etc...

[Lathum]

Can someone tell Philly fans occasionally the other teams players are actually hurt.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by tucker rocky

Marvin Lewis comes to mind, but the Bengals have stuck with him.
Lions should do the same with Schwartz.

GM for the Lions(whomever it is), needs to do a better job of drafting, and bringing in better players out of FA.

I thought Marvin would get fired, bur I wasn't sure he deserved it. I guess we didn't get the 100% consensus. I think the Lions should have won that division with ease this year. I don't think it was about the players he had at his disposal.

[Thomkal]

Holy Crap my beloved Cards win in Seattle and are still alive for the playoff race! That's with Palmer throwing 4 INT's and perhaps a gift from the refs on not one but two calls. Two crazy kicks from the Seattle kicker-on a chip shot FG after a penalty called back the first try which was successful, and then the almost missed XP when Seattle scored its TD.

Cardinals defense was absolutely incredible, especially after last week when they gave up all those yards to Tenn and let them back in the game.

[Coffee Warlord]

North is ours for the taking and it's looking like blowout. C'mon.