Kramer goes crazy - Page 2

JPhillips · 11-20-2006, 06:46 PM

It sure came off as staged to me on the first viewing.

sterlingice · 11-20-2006, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

In fairness, Richards spent most of his career working on NBC Must-See Thursday nights. These were probably the first black people he'd ever seen.

Absolutely brilliant, ML

SI

lighthousekeeper · 11-20-2006, 07:48 PM

meh - i really don't see what the big deal is.

i love how the crowd just walked out on him though

Rizon · 11-20-2006, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

It sure came off as staged to me on the first viewing.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Eaglesfan27 · 11-20-2006, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

In fairness, Richards spent most of his career working on NBC Must-See Thursday nights. These were probably the first black people he'd ever seen.

This is one of the best posts ever.

Just watched the clip, and I don't think it was staged.

JeffNights · 11-20-2006, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Although I think using the n-word is in bad taste, people are way over the top in their sensitivity toward it; HOWEVER, the fact that he mentioned lynching was absolutely horrific. I really hope he was trying to be Kauffman-esque and doesn't truly hold that much hate in his heart.

well, that and the fact that the crowd there is mostly young college kids who I doubt nowadays know who the hell Kauffman was.

Karlifornia · 11-20-2006, 08:58 PM

Man..Richards should probably hire a bodyguard...because there are probably a few people around LA that wouldn't mind leaving Richards a little memento....right in his ribs.

SFL Cat · 11-20-2006, 09:51 PM

I think Richards lost it...he was getting some laughs talking the hecklers down 'til he dropped the N-bomb. Then it almost seemed he was like "O sh*t"...but then, he didn't want to look like he was backing down and kept digging himself in deeper. I think when he realized there was no recovery from what he had done, he just walked off the stage.

Of course, the guy who's calling Richards an effin' cracker-ass white boy didn't win any sympathy points from me either. If he really was causing a distrubance by talking, management should have gone over to him and told him to shut up during the performance or leave.

TheOhioStateUniversity · 11-20-2006, 09:58 PM

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Although I think using the n-word is in bad taste, people are way over the top in their sensitivity toward it; HOWEVER, the fact that he mentioned lynching was absolutely horrific. I really hope he was trying to be Kauffman-esque and doesn't truly hold that much hate in his heart.

Um schmidty that has to be the most ignorant statement I have ever heard. If the history of that word doesnt explain why people are so sensitive towards it for you, I dont know what will.

CraigSca · 11-20-2006, 10:40 PM

I haven't watched Letterman in years, but I'm watching it now to see the apology.

stevew · 11-20-2006, 10:55 PM

This almost has to be a 100% work. Friday was november 17, which was I believe was the anniversary of one of Kaufman's more famous appearances on Letterman. May have just been a coincidence though.

ISiddiqui · 11-20-2006, 11:00 PM

Wow... they actually have Richards on from satellite... and its the day before Seinfeld's season 7 comes out... that's interesting timing. But he seems sincere.

Swaggs · 11-20-2006, 11:01 PM

Talk about uncomfortable...

ISiddiqui · 11-20-2006, 11:02 PM

Yeah, but very newsworthy at any rate.

Swaggs · 11-20-2006, 11:06 PM

Jerry is a good friend to do that for him.

I think we can forget the thoughts of it being an act.

amdaily · 11-20-2006, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Talk about uncomfortable...

Very, really seemed sincere.

ISiddiqui · 11-20-2006, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

I think we can forget the thoughts of it being an act.

Yep, it seemed that he was on the verge of saying that he was a racist (has those demons), but didn't want to say the words and wanted some help and personal work.

timmynausea · 11-20-2006, 11:19 PM

That was strange, especially when the crowd started laughing.

ISiddiqui · 11-20-2006, 11:22 PM

I think it was more nervous laughter.

dime · 11-20-2006, 11:42 PM

I was really hoping jerry would say:

"...good luck with all that."

Swaggs · 11-20-2006, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by timmynausea

That was strange, especially when the crowd started laughing.

I think they probably expected a few quips by Dave, at least. Very serene exchange, though.

Lorena · 11-20-2006, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe

Seinfeld is on Letterman tonight.. and Richards will be apologizing via satellite.

The apology:

http://vidclick.blogspot.com/2006/11...-outburst.html

Young Drachma · 11-21-2006, 01:02 AM

I watched it and it did look staged at first and then it seemed like he lost his mind. That said, I don't think there is an excuse for it. The guy who argued with him didn't need to open his freakin' mouth, though. Though, interacting with the person on stage isn't really new, it just seems weird that he'd go that route. And yet, not really surprising at all.

Not that he needs "sympathy" points or anything...the whole outburst was in poor taste and no apology changes that.

Schmidty · 11-21-2006, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOhioStateUniversity

Um schmidty that has to be the most ignorant statement I have ever heard.

Apparently you haven't heard a lot of things in this world.

I am a lot of things, but I am certainly not ignorant in regard to this word. Granted, I am not african-american like you, but I guarantee that I know as much or more than you do regarding the history of the word.

The word is negative and mean, and people that have actually had it used against them in a violent, hateful manner have every right to be seriously offended, as do their families and friends (and their community). I do not condone the use of the word (or any other racial epitaph), nor have I EVER uttered one or wrote one. Any hateful word grouping people by race, religion or whatever is wrong, and reprehensible. I believe in God, and I believe that He created every person equally and in His image.

I have a lot more to say on the subject, especially regarding hypocrisy, and racial slurs hurled at me at various times, especially during my basketball sessions (mostly in high school and college), but it's obvious that a civil and even-headed discourse isn't acceptabe in this culture, at this time.

TheOhioStateUniversity, I don't think it was fair for you to call me ignorant, but if you are truly offended because I have an actual objective opinion on this subject, I apologize. I realize that that wasn't a strong apology, but I guess I just don't think I have much to apologize for, except for the fact that I somehow upset you.

Phototropic · 11-21-2006, 06:18 AM

I don't think it's been said but -- drugs.

Joe · 11-21-2006, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Jerry is a good friend to do that for him.

I think we can forget the thoughts of it being an act.

Well I assume Jerry did it as damage control, with the new DVD set coming out today.

wade moore · 11-21-2006, 07:08 AM

A) On another board I read I expected there to be people defending Richards/downplaying this. I never expected it here, that is scary.

B) Schmidty - I mean this with the utmost respect... your comment was ignorant. Do you maybe have some points that there are other words that people use that shouldn't be used either? Yes. Do you maybe have a point that there are people that use the N* word and it is acceptable and it shouldn't be? Yes. However, to try and say that people overreact at it being used - particular in a manner like it was here? That is ignorant imo. This was the worst possible way it could be used. It was used directly as a slander, screaming it in anger, while combining it with discussings of lynchings and saying that "that's what you get when you heckle a white man" or whatever he said.

panerd · 11-21-2006, 07:14 AM

Didn't Jerry reverse-heckle Kremer's girlfriend at work and cause her to lose her pinky toe? You would have thought that Kremer would have learned about hecklers and how to deal with them.

Groundhog · 11-21-2006, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I think this Paul Rodriguez quote pretty well sums up the rules:
"Once the word comes out of your mouth and you don't happen to be African-American, then you have a whole lot of explaining,"

What I found funny is that when Rodriguez said that he paused before saying African-American, and for a split second I thought he was going to accidently drop the N-word too.

Noop · 11-21-2006, 08:05 AM

Wow. I am amazed... the good ole boys are out in full force.

Eaglesfan27 · 11-21-2006, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Noop

Wow. I am amazed... the good ole boys are out in full force.

Thanks a lot. Now, I have the Dukes of Hazzard Theme running in my head.

Seriously. I agree with Wade in that I'm surprised (and dismayed) that anyone here is defending Richards/downplaying his comments.

duckman · 11-21-2006, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Noop

Wow. I am amazed... the good ole boys are out in full force.

Look, High-and-Mighty shows up!

rkmsuf · 11-21-2006, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe

Seinfeld is on Letterman tonight.. and Richards will be apologizing via satellite.

Is that really necessary. I mean come on.

First of all what is he apologizing for...being racist?

Second is the world really hanging on every word of seinfeld and richards? Yes Seinfeld was a great show but I could give a rats ass if Richards hates black people or not.

Oilers9911 · 11-21-2006, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Is that really necessary. I mean come on.

First of all what is he apologizing for...being racist?

Second is the world really hanging on every word of seinfeld and richards? Yes Seinfeld was a great show but I could give a rats ass if Richards hates black people or not.

Then don't watch. But just because you don't care, and that is fine, doesn't mean others dont care. Maybe people want an explanation or to find out what is going on in his head. And yes I think a public apology is necessary at this point.

Pumpy Tudors · 11-21-2006, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Is that really necessary. I mean come on.

Well, sort of.

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

First of all what is he apologizing for...being racist?

Well, sort of.

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Second is the world really hanging on every word of seinfeld and richards? Yes Seinfeld was a great show but I could give a rats ass if Richards hates black people or not.

No, of course the world isn't really hanging on every word of theirs. As far as Jerry Seinfeld is concerned, I think he's trying to avoid guilt by association. That was pretty much his show (along with being Larry David's), and unless he says something, it looks like he doesn't care that he had an apparent racist on his show. On the other side of that, though, Michael Richards is his friend, and he wanted to help his friend by giving up some of his own time for an apology. Now, whether that apology really means anything, I don't know, but Seinfeld did what he could.

I'm not going to pretend like there isn't money involved here. Obviously, Seinfeld wants the DVDs to sell, and he also wants to protect his own image so he doesn't lose work. He seems like a good guy, and I think he did as well as he could with this, in protecting his image and helping his friend.

As far as Michael Richards is concerned, I don't really care if he's a racist either. It's not like I had plans to invite the guy over to my house or anything. This whole incident is going to have some effect on his career, though, and I guess he's trying to keep the damage to a minimum. If he goes down in flames, well, he did it to himself. If he doesn't go down in flames, well, being a racist isn't a crime, so more power to him, I guess.

rkmsuf · 11-21-2006, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Oilers9911

Then don't watch. But just because you don't care, and that is fine, doesn't mean others dont care. Maybe people want an explanation or to find out what is going on in his head. And yes I think a public apology is necessary at this point.

What's going on in his head? What do you think? In spite of the apology do you really think he's done a complete 180 in a matter of a couple days?

"I'm sorry...I'll never get loaded and call someone the n word out loud ever again"

All better now. And Mel Gibson really does like Jewish people. It was the booze talking.

I guess they have to do damage control but I'm amazed anyone would buy it.

ISiddiqui · 11-21-2006, 09:01 AM

He never said he was drunk. Perhaps if you actually paid attention you'd have known that

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rkmsuf · 11-21-2006, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

He never said he was drunk. Perhaps if you actually paid attention you'd have known that

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He looked loaded and sounded loaded to me. Maybe he wasn't. No idea but is largely irrelevant.

Kodos · 11-21-2006, 09:04 AM

Hopefully his career evaporates and he will learn a lesson.

ISiddiqui · 11-21-2006, 09:04 AM

Have you seen many people loaded in your life?

rkmsuf · 11-21-2006, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Have you seen many people loaded in your life?

yes but most of the time they look normal because I'm loaded as well

Pumpy Tudors · 11-21-2006, 09:07 AM

I can see where rkmsuf is coming from. To me, Michael Richards' apology can only go so far. He can apologize for saying those things, but he said what he felt. I only heard part of the apology, and if he's really trying to get some kind of help, that's good for him. However, if someone like Jerry Seinfeld (who probably has/had a close friendship with Richards) was surprised by Richards' outburst, that pretty much just tells me that Richards is just sorry that he exposed his feelings and failed to hide them any longer. He's not sorry for having those feelings.

I'm sure that a lot of people heard Michael Richards apologize and are willing to give him a pass. They might say that it was a moment of anger and he didn't really mean it. To me, that's shortsighted thinking. If he didn't mean those things, they never, ever, ever would have even come to his mind.

Anyway, I guess he kinda has to apologize if he wants to appear to have any kind of heart, but the apology is going to be somewhat hollow, no matter how sincere he thinks it is.

Noop · 11-21-2006, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by duckman

Look, High-and-Mighty shows up!

One if its proudest members...

Maple Leafs · 11-21-2006, 09:08 AM

I have to say, I'm impressed with the way Seinfeld handled this. He still has a career. Richards barely did, even before this. It would have been incredibly easy to let him hang, but he did what he could to help a friend even though he's risking some of his own credibility to do it.

Kodos · 11-21-2006, 09:11 AM

I think Seinfeld was honestly just trying to help out a friend, regardless of whatever effect it might have on his career or DVD sales. Is there anyone amongst us who doesn't have a friend or relative that they love despite some sort of major personal flaw?

Pumpy Tudors · 11-21-2006, 09:13 AM

By the way, did anyone else expect this thread to be about Erik Kramer after seeing the thread title for the first time?

Oh, it was just me?

Subby · 11-21-2006, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Noop

Wow. I am amazed... the good ole boys are out in full force.

You shouldn't judge so harshly, since you and he have so much in common.

Okay, not really. He just hates one race...you hate an entire gender...

BrianD · 11-21-2006, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

I'm sure that a lot of people heard Michael Richards apologize and are willing to give him a pass. They might say that it was a moment of anger and he didn't really mean it. To me, that's shortsighted thinking. If he didn't mean those things, they never, ever, ever would have even come to his mind.

I'm not sure I agree with this (in a general sense, not specifically to this event). If people are hurt enough, or angry enough, they will seek out anything to use in an attack. They may not believe it, but it could be good ammunition. I think you have to look at these things on a case by case basis and try to determine what is really going on inside.

Noop · 11-21-2006, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Subby

You shouldn't judge so harshly, since you and he have so much in common.

Okay, not really. He just hates one race...you hate an entire gender...

You think I hate women correct? Something about my mom abusing me or some shit like that. Sorry Subby I don't not hate women so don't project your homosexual feelings on me.

Subby · 11-21-2006, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Noop

You think I hate women correct? Something about my mom abusing me or some shit like that. Sorry Subby I don't not hate women so don't project your homosexual feelings on me.

Nothing to do with your mom - just how all your posts about women involve treating them like RealDolls.

I guess I can add gays to your hate list too, Kramer Jr...

11-20-2006, 07:48 PM	#53
lighthousekeeper College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	meh - i really don't see what the big deal is. i love how the crowd just walked out on him though __________________ ... Last edited by lighthousekeeper : 11-20-2006 at 07:48 PM.

11-20-2006, 08:58 PM	#57
Karlifornia Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	Man..Richards should probably hire a bodyguard...because there are probably a few people around LA that wouldn't mind leaving Richards a little memento....right in his ribs. __________________ Look into the mind of a crazy man (NSFW) http://www.whitepowerupdate.wordpress.com

11-20-2006, 09:51 PM	#58
SFL Cat College Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: South Florida	I think Richards lost it...he was getting some laughs talking the hecklers down 'til he dropped the N-bomb. Then it almost seemed he was like "O sht"...but then, he didn't want to look like he was backing down and kept digging himself in deeper. I think when he realized there was no recovery from what he had done, he just walked off the stage. Of course, the guy who's calling Richards an effin' cracker-ass white boy didn't win any sympathy points from me either. If he really was causing a distrubance by talking, management should have gone over to him and told him to shut up during the performance or leave. Last edited by SFL Cat : 11-20-2006 at 09:53 PM.*

11-20-2006, 10:40 PM	#60
CraigSca Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Not Delaware - hurray!	I haven't watched Letterman in years, but I'm watching it now to see the apology. __________________ She loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah! She loves you, yeah! how do you know? how do you know?

11-20-2006, 11:00 PM	#62
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Wow... they actually have Richards on from satellite... and its the day before Seinfeld's season 7 comes out... that's interesting timing. But he seems sincere. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

11-20-2006, 10:55 PM	#61
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	This almost has to be a 100% work. Friday was november 17, which was I believe was the anniversary of one of Kaufman's more famous appearances on Letterman. May have just been a coincidence though.

11-20-2006, 11:01 PM	#63
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Talk about uncomfortable... __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

11-20-2006, 11:02 PM	#64
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Yeah, but very newsworthy at any rate. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

11-20-2006, 11:06 PM	#65
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Jerry is a good friend to do that for him. I think we can forget the thoughts of it being an act. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

11-20-2006, 11:19 PM	#68
timmynausea College Starter Join Date: Dec 2002	That was strange, especially when the crowd started laughing.

11-20-2006, 11:22 PM	#69
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	I think it was more nervous laughter. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

11-20-2006, 11:42 PM	#70
dime High School JV Join Date: Sep 2006	I was really hoping jerry would say: "...good luck with all that."

11-21-2006, 01:02 AM	#73
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	I watched it and it did look staged at first and then it seemed like he lost his mind. That said, I don't think there is an excuse for it. The guy who argued with him didn't need to open his freakin' mouth, though. Though, interacting with the person on stage isn't really new, it just seems weird that he'd go that route. And yet, not really surprising at all. Not that he needs "sympathy" points or anything...the whole outburst was in poor taste and no apology changes that.

11-21-2006, 06:18 AM	#75
Phototropic Mascot Join Date: Nov 2006	I don't think it's been said but -- drugs.

11-21-2006, 07:14 AM	#78
panerd Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: St. Louis	Didn't Jerry reverse-heckle Kremer's girlfriend at work and cause her to lose her pinky toe? You would have thought that Kremer would have learned about hecklers and how to deal with them.

11-21-2006, 08:05 AM	#80
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Miami	Wow. I am amazed... the good ole boys are out in full force. __________________ Subby's favorite woman hater.

11-21-2006, 09:01 AM	#87
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	He never said he was drunk. Perhaps if you actually paid attention you'd have known that . __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

11-21-2006, 09:04 AM	#89
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Hopefully his career evaporates and he will learn a lesson.

11-21-2006, 09:07 AM	#92
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	I can see where rkmsuf is coming from. To me, Michael Richards' apology can only go so far. He can apologize for saying those things, but he said what he felt. I only heard part of the apology, and if he's really trying to get some kind of help, that's good for him. However, if someone like Jerry Seinfeld (who probably has/had a close friendship with Richards) was surprised by Richards' outburst, that pretty much just tells me that Richards is just sorry that he exposed his feelings and failed to hide them any longer. He's not sorry for having those feelings. I'm sure that a lot of people heard Michael Richards apologize and are willing to give him a pass. They might say that it was a moment of anger and he didn't really mean it. To me, that's shortsighted thinking. If he didn't mean those things, they never, ever, ever would have even come to his mind. Anyway, I guess he kinda has to apologize if he wants to appear to have any kind of heart, but the apology is going to be somewhat hollow, no matter how sincere he thinks it is. __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor.

11-21-2006, 09:08 AM	#94
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	I have to say, I'm impressed with the way Seinfeld handled this. He still has a career. Richards barely did, even before this. It would have been incredibly easy to let him hang, but he did what he could to help a friend even though he's risking some of his own credibility to do it. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

11-21-2006, 09:11 AM	#95
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	I think Seinfeld was honestly just trying to help out a friend, regardless of whatever effect it might have on his career or DVD sales. Is there anyone amongst us who doesn't have a friend or relative that they love despite some sort of major personal flaw?

11-21-2006, 09:13 AM	#96
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	By the way, did anyone else expect this thread to be about Erik Kramer after seeing the thread title for the first time? Oh, it was just me? __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor.

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