No Doubt

[duckman]

Originally Posted by Ramzavail

But I did agree with you - if you want to give them originality points for putting a hot girl in front of a ska influenced band. Fine. It just doesn't go far for me.

You obviously missed my point. I was talking about Gwen's voice. Nobody sounds like them when Gwen is singing the lyrics. I personally don't care what she looks like in regards to the music. People get to stuck with the looks of a band. "Do they put out a solid performance?" is what I'm looking for.

Being influenced is not a bad thing. Metallica and Anthrax were influenced by Motorhead. Yet, they have their own originial sound. You hear a No Doubt, Metallica, or Anthrax song and you can tell who is who. That is originality, my friend.

[ageofquarrel]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Why do they have to?

I mean as a release. Best way I can describe it as,some people golf in their free time. Some people go fishing. Some people play music.

[duckman]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Why do they have to?

No shit.

[duckman]

Originally Posted by ageofquarrel

There is a ton of bands that play music that we never be played on the radio, never sell more than 2000 records, quit there jobs and do tours that lose thousands of dollars, but they do it because it is fun and they have to.

Originally Posted by ageofquarrel

I mean as a release. Best way I can describe it as,some people golf in their free time. Some people go fishing. Some people play music.

No, you said that they have to quit their jobs and play. You better re-read your statement.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by ageofquarrel

I mean as a release. Best way I can describe it as,some people golf in their free time. Some people go fishing. Some people play music.

Yes but the ones that do it professionally are far, far better. The "mainstream" artists talent should not be shortchanged because they are getting paid.

Kudos to those that can dedicate themselves to fun and tours while losing money. I respect them for their choice but you shouldn't denegrade others who choose to not do that. The "sellouts" are no less genuine.

[ageofquarrel]

Originally Posted by Ramzavail

Actually no - I didn't think they had one, I thought they were done.

I adored them when I was younger.

You got linkage?

hxxp://www.descendentsonline.com/

Yeah basically they play every few years with the other guys doing ALL with Dave Smalley(DYS, 1st Dag Nasty record) in between. Milo takes a break from teaching(he is a college proffeser I think). This time they recorded a new album and our touring. They are on the Warped tour, and I refuse to go to one of those large all day outdoors events. Im too old for that shit.

[Ramzavail]

Originally Posted by duckman

You obviously missed my point. I was talking about Gwen's voice. Nobody sounds like them when Gwen is singing the lyrics. I personally don't care what she looks like in regards to the music. People get to stuck with the looks of a band. "Do they put out a solid performance?" is what I'm looking for.

Being influenced is not a bad thing. Metallica and Anthrax were influenced by Motorhead. Yet, they have their own originial sound. You hear a No Doubt, Metallica, or Anthrax song and you can tell who is who. That is originality, my friend.

I got your point. Gwen's voice is OK, but (like I said) there haven't been that many female ska or ska-influenced singers. So, like I said now for the third time, I'd give them originality for that. But just because you have a female singer in a ska-influenced band , to me , doesn't make you original. The sound, the beats, the melodies, are based on what has already been done. They didn't create the sound - the sound, the beats have been around since the 60's and just because a female sings it - doesn't make you original.

I'm sure they put out a good performance, but good performances don't deem you original either.

I never said being influenced is bad - I just think it takes away from the originality of it all. Since you were influenced by a previous band(s) that you now play similar sounds, beats, melodies - takes away from the originality of your band.

You can tell who No Doubt, Metallica and Anthrax are because either you are a fan or because it is played on mainstream radio. I guarantee if I played some Skatalites for you - you wouldn't be able to tell me who they are. They are original, my friend.

[Ramzavail]

Originally Posted by ageofquarrel

hxxp://www.descendentsonline.com/

Yeah basically they play every few years with the other guys doing ALL with Dave Smalley(DYS, 1st Dag Nasty record) in between. Milo takes a break from teaching(he is a college proffeser I think). This time they recorded a new album and our touring. They are on the Warped tour, and I refuse to go to one of those large all day outdoors events. Im too old for that shit.

excellent - thanks.

I am too old as well and prefer not to come back as a mud ball with pounds of dirt in every orifice

[ageofquarrel]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Yes but the ones that do it professionally are far, far better. The "mainstream" artists talent should not be shortchanged because they are getting paid.

Kudos to those that can dedicate themselves to fun and tours while losing money. I respect them for their choice but you shouldn't denegrade others who choose to not do that. The "sellouts" are no less genuine.

I just cant agree with your point about something being better because it is professional. It is just my prefence(sp?). I own a record by a band called Judge they have two versions of it. One was recorded at a studio in NYC that was a dump , and one was recorded at Normandy Sound a "professional" place. I hardly ever listen to the one with the so called better recording and I know plenty of Judge fans who agree with me.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by ageofquarrel

I just cant agree with your point about something being better because it is professional. It is just my prefence(sp?). I own a record by a band called Judge they have two versions of it. One was recorded at a studio in NYC that was a dump , and one was recorded at Normandy Sound a "professional" place. I hardly ever listen to the one with the so called better recording and I know plenty of Judge fans who agree with me.

I don't mean individual cases; I just mean the overall perception sometimes of suckiness attached to mainstream performers when contrasted to those "keeping it real".

Also, you talk about golf, fishing ect. Professsionals in those fields are far superior across the board to their amatuer competitors.

[ageofquarrel]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

I don't mean individual cases; I just mean the overall perception sometimes of suckiness attached to mainstream performers when contrasted to those "keeping it real".

Also, you talk about golf, fishing ect. Professsionals in those fields are far superior across the board to their amatuer competitors.

I agree that there is people who act like that. If I like something I listen to it. I have a shitload of mainstream records Black Sabbath, AC/DC, Rolling Stones, and stuff like that. But If I had to take 10 records with me to a deserted island. Im bringing records with me of bands that you never heard of.

I think you cant compare sports to music. There is a set way to determine who is better. If I played Tiger Woods he can put the ball in the hole in 3 strokes while i would take like 12 or more(never played golf). Obviously you can tell who is better but how can you do that with music? Whos is the better drummer John Bonham, Neil Peart, or Keith Moon the most popular one? Its just a matter of taste,dude.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by ageofquarrel

I agree that there is people who act like that. If I like something I listen to it. I have a shitload of mainstream records Black Sabbath, AC/DC, Rolling Stones, and stuff like that. But If I had to take 10 records with me to a deserted island. Im bringing records with me of bands that you never heard of.

I think you cant compare sports to music. There is a set way to determine who is better. If I played Tiger Woods he can put the ball in the hole in 3 strokes while i would take like 12 or more(never played golf). Obviously you can tell who is better but how can you do that with music? Whos is the better drummer John Bonham, Neil Peart, or Keith Moon the most popular one? Its just a matter of taste,dude.

The only way to do it in music is dollars and awards which is why mostly the cream will rise to the top.

You can love off broadway productions and they have merit but the best resides on broadway.

[McSweeny]

excuse me for mentioning green day with the Ramones... it was early and i was struggling to come up with another similar band.

the Ramones were one of the very first pop-punk bands. They were very successful at it. Green Day does not sell 10 million albums unless the mold themselves to the Ramones sound. Blink 182 does not even exist were it not for the Ramones. So please don't tell me that Blink 182 invented pop punk or was origanal. And of course there were dozens of bands in the Ramones era that played with a very similar sound and can be credited with advancing punk rock and pop punk as well

and that integrity comment wasn't directed at Green Day. Their tour with Blink 182 was being billed as the two biggest sell outs selling out... again

[SlapBone]

Originally Posted by McSweeny

oh come off it

that sound was around far longer than Blink. It certainly is not a 'brand new genre' of punk. Let's talk about the Ramones and let's talk about Green Day and bands that did it right without sacrificing any integrity

I agree. I always thought Good Charlotte sounded a little too much like Social Distortion.

[Daimyo]

I hope all the people who complain about musicians "selling out" keep it real and work for non-profits, volunteer organizations, or at least are in business for themselves...

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by McSweeny

excuse me for mentioning green day with the Ramones... it was early and i was struggling to come up with another similar band.

the Ramones were one of the very first pop-punk bands. They were very successful at it. Green Day does not sell 10 million albums unless the mold themselves to the Ramones sound. Blink 182 does not even exist were it not for the Ramones. So please don't tell me that Blink 182 invented pop punk or was origanal. And of course there were dozens of bands in the Ramones era that played with a very similar sound and can be credited with advancing punk rock and pop punk as well

and that integrity comment wasn't directed at Green Day. Their tour with Blink 182 was being billed as the two biggest sell outs selling out... again

Too funny. I think I was laughing for a few minutes reading this over. No Blink-182 without the Ramones? You can say that for a ton of bands.

Who influenced the Ramones? Who influenced the Stones? The Beatles? Et Al? Everyone influenced someone else.

Please.

[McSweeny]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Too funny. I think I was laughing for a few minutes reading this over. No Blink-182 without the Ramones? You can say that for a ton of bands.

Who influenced the Ramones? Who influenced the Stones? The Beatles? Et Al? Everyone influenced someone else.

Please.

i totally i agree. so don't go saying that blink 182 invented pop-punk and are a totally inovative sound when it is quite obvious that neither is true

[McSweeny]

dola

Originally Posted by Daimyo

I hope all the people who complain about musicians "selling out" keep it real and work for non-profits, volunteer organizations, or at least are in business for themselves...

i work for a non-profit organization

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by McSweeny

i totally i agree. so don't go saying that blink 182 invented pop-punk and are a totally inovative sound when it is quite obvious that neither is true

I guess we just have different opinions on what is called a "sound". You consider a genre a sound as I don't.

[Ramzavail]

what is a sound then?

[judicial clerk]

random thoughts:

Aren't you selling out if you read Entertainment Weekly?

I work for a non-profit organization

This post would make Alex Keaton cry.

The problem with popular music today is that music videos are so important. I don't think Britteny Spears is very talented, but she looks cute and so everyone in America knows who she is.

Does anyone listen to the howard Stern show. It is doing an interesting contest where singers and musicians must create a song out of some lyrics written by one of Stern's sycophants. I am a musical novice and it is very intersting to hear different performers create a completely different song using the same lyrics. Some of the versions were pretty good and the people who created them must be very talented.