2016-17 NFL Coaching Carousel/ Offseason Thread

[tgray649]

Was Vance Joseph the DC at Texas last year that Charlie Strong fired?

[cartman]

Originally Posted by tgray649

Was Vance Joseph the DC at Texas last year that Charlie Strong fired?

Vance Bedford

[CrescentMoonie]

Originally Posted by tgray649

Was Vance Joseph the DC at Texas last year that Charlie Strong fired?

No, he's been in the NFL since 05.

[tgray649]

Ok, was just too lazy to do the research...In my opinion I would think Denver would go for an offensive coach. Shanahan seems the favorite.

[CrescentMoonie]

Originally Posted by tgray649

Ok, was just too lazy to do the research...In my opinion I would think Denver would go for an offensive coach. Shanahan seems the favorite.

I've seen probably a dozen articles that say the opposite. Joseph is a Wade Phillips protege, which probably carries more weight these days than a Mike Shanahan protege. Kyle Shanahan's strongest argument is the similarity in the offensive scheme.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

I think that Peter King had the best advice for Chip Kelly. He needs to take a year off to figure out why all of the front office people for whom he has worked end up hating him so much.

I think he knows that already. He knows they hate him because those front office people don't know as much about personnel and how that personnel fits into his system as much as he does. Not saying he is that much different than any other NFL coach. Chip just has the fatal flaw of having to let the front office know what they don't know.

I am super intrigued by the possibility of him becoming an offensive coordinator whether it is with the Patriots or some other team. I doubt any team would allow him to implement his entire system. Tom Brady is not running the read option. That would mean Kelly would be making adjustments and running a more traditional offense while sprinkling in a percentage of his own style. That sounds like a lot of fun. That also sounds like something that would pissed of fans in Philly and SF.

[bhlloy]

Grigson and Pagano staying with the Colts - how you can possibly justify keeping Grigson is completely beyond me

[miami_fan]

Justification--It took eight years to put a Super Bowl winning team around Peyton Manning.

I did not say it was a good justification but it is one that I think Jim Irsay would buy.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Grigson and Pagano staying with the Colts - how you can possibly justify keeping Grigson is completely beyond me

Two words: Prescription Pills

But honestly as a Colts fan I'm conflicted.

On the plus side the Colts do have a winning record under Grigs/Pags and after watching the Browns and Lions for the last couple decades that should count for something. The Colts also have an AFC championship appearance.

On the down side the team does seem to be at it's ceiling. Grigs has squandered every 1st round pick except for Luck (The book is still out on Ryan Kelly afaic). The team seems to losing talent. You could also replace this paragraph with "Trent Richardson".

On the neutral side who are you going to replace Grigson with? I have no idea what Gm talent there is waiting in the wings that will do better.

[bhlloy]

Anyone can do better than Grigson. He found what was supposed to be a generational talent at 1st overall, has completely failed to put any talent around him, had arguably the worst drafts in the entire league outside of Luck and his teams have put together a couple of decent seasons in the worst division in the NFL

I'm prone to hyperbole, but I'm pretty sure the majority of posters on this board could do a better job

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

But honestly as a Colts fan I'm conflicted.

...

On the neutral side who are you going to replace Grigson with? I have no idea what Gm talent there is waiting in the wings that will do better.

No, you're not conflicted. You're simply too close to see clearly. Try this:

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Anyone can do better than Grigson.

See how easy that was?

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Anyone can do better than Grigson.

You've never heard of the Cleveland Browns

[bhlloy]

If the Browns had the #1 pick when Andrew Luck was on the board, I think they might not be a much worse team than the Colts

Seriously, Grigson is awful

[NobodyHere]

The Browns would've picked RG3.

[tgray649]

Originally Posted by CrescentMoonie

I've seen probably a dozen articles that say the opposite. Joseph is a Wade Phillips protege, which probably carries more weight these days than a Mike Shanahan protege. Kyle Shanahan's strongest argument is the similarity in the offensive scheme.

From the Denver games I have watched this year defense didn't seem to be the problem, granted they had a second year quarterback and a revolving door at running back but if Elway wants a defensive minded HC promote Phillips...Anyway like I said, imo.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Excited to see this. The guy just wins football games and I'd love to see him close out his career right here.

Kansas City Chiefs will try to sign Andy Reid to an extension this offseason

[TroyF]

commenting about many things in the thread:

1 - The Colts GM is simply Dreadful. Take away the dream pick of Luck and this IS the Cleveland Browns.

2 - The Broncos have loved Joseph for a long time. They wanted him for the DC job before Wade was hired and the Bengals didn't allow him to interview for the job. I think Shanahan is the favorite, but it wouldn't shock me at all if we went with Joseph and then hired a high profile OC.

3 - Said it in the other thread, Reid is a good coach. KC should sign him to an extension.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by TroyF

1 - The Colts GM is simply Dreadful. Take away the dream pick of Luck and this IS the Cleveland Browns.

Agree

A GM should be judged on head coach hirings, free agency, and the draft. Not the ability of his QB to make the team respectable in an awful division.

[CrescentMoonie]

Gregg Williams the new DC in Cleveland.

[Bobble]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Anyone can do better than Grigson.

Well, I DID just win a Superbowl with my FOF8 team. I accept. Is Trent Richardson still on the board? I'm gambling on X-factor.

[CrescentMoonie]

I doubt he'll ever stop being Joey Porter.

[Abe Sargent]

Jacksonville Jaguars planning to hire Tom Coughlin as executive VP, Doug Marrone as head coach


http://www.jaguars.com/media-gallery...c-275c782c64d6

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Jacksonville Jaguars planning to hire Tom Coughlin as executive VP, Doug Marrone as head coach


Inside the Jaguars: Making moves

Ummm. . . . say what? What a horrific hire.

[CrescentMoonie]

Originally Posted by TroyF

Ummm. . . . say what? What a horrific hire.

The guy won at Syracuse and Buffalo. Why wouldn't he be able to in Jacksonville?

[bhlloy]

Won as in "lost over half his games" won?

[CrescentMoonie]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Won as in "lost over half his games" won?

Won as in went to two bowl games in four years at Syracuse and won both. Won as in took the Bills to their first winning season in ten years in his second year there.

[stevew]

Yeah, I'm fairly certain that Marrone is a solid hire. Maybe teams aren't knocking down his door but he was solid in Buffalo. Remember that he only quit cause he had the option of getting paid when ownership switched hands. His record was 15-17 with (a rookie) EJ Manuel, Thad Lewis, Jeff Tuel and 75 year old Kyle Orton as his starters.

[JPhillips]

And given the insanity in Buffalo at the end of the season, it surely looks like he made a good decision to get out with his reputation intact.

[albionmoonlight]

Marrone has a solid reputation. He quit in Buffalo--he wasn't fired. He may or may not work out, but I'd rather him than a lot of the other names being thrown around out there.

[albionmoonlight]

If I had to pick a coach from the current crop, I think I'd go Kyle Shanahan. Matt Ryan was an underachiever till he showed up; now he's neck and neck with Brady for MVP. And he also seems a little ahead of the curve, building a high-power offense in the post-spread world. He's doing it with base personnel and a running game. And his dad was a coach, so you got that whole "been around football his whole life" thing going on.

[CrescentMoonie]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

If I had to pick a coach from the current crop, I think I'd go Kyle Shanahan. Matt Ryan was an underachiever till he showed up; now he's neck and neck with Brady for MVP. And he also seems a little ahead of the curve, building a high-power offense in the post-spread world. He's doing it with base personnel and a running game. And his dad was a coach, so you got that whole "been around football his whole life" thing going on.

He also coaxed a good year out of RGIII who can't read a defense, drop back in the pocket, or slide.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by stevew

Yeah, I'm fairly certain that Marrone is a solid hire. Maybe teams aren't knocking down his door but he was solid in Buffalo. Remember that he only quit cause he had the option of getting paid when ownership switched hands. His record was 15-17 with (a rookie) EJ Manuel, Thad Lewis, Jeff Tuel and 75 year old Kyle Orton as his starters.

I guess we'll see. Maybe I'm wrong about him. I really thought the Jags would try to get a proven NFL winner this time, not go down retread AVE or new coach Blvd. Not saying there are a ton of those guys out there, but I thought there were better than Marrone. Maybe I'm just underestimating how good of a coach he is. We'll see next year.

[stevew]

The Jags surely should have some continuity since Marrone has already been on staff. At this point his fate is tied into Bortles. If Bortles shows improvement they should go 9-7 or so next year. If he's a dumpster fire, the Jags will start over in 2 years

[Fidatelo]

As a Broncos fan I'm crossing my fingers for Shanahan.

[Kodos]

Vance Joseph expected to be hired as Broncos coach - NFL.com

Looks like the Broncos will hire Vance Joseph.

[albionmoonlight]

Vance Joseph is a good young coach. Happy for him to get the plum coaching gig open.

Now I just hope that some team takes Shanahan out of the NFC West.

[CrescentMoonie]

Bills closing in on hiring Sean McDermott as coach

Interesting move. Supposedly he's going to try and bring McCoy in as the OC.

[Coffee Warlord]

Is it wrong to hope for some sort of horrible scandal that forces the Bears to fire John Fox?

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Is it wrong to hope for some sort of horrible scandal that forces the Bears to fire John Fox?

What?

I really like the job John Fox is doing with the Bears.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Is it wrong to hope for some sort of horrible scandal that forces the Bears to fire John Fox?

That is the way I felt when he was here as the Broncos coach.

[albionmoonlight]

So now that L.A. is full, what city will owners use to blackmail cities into bad stadium deals? San Diego? Las Vegas? Oakland if the Raiders leave? Saint Louis? London?

None of those have quite the same cache as "We're gonna move to L.A."

[ISiddiqui]

Chargers plan to play at StubHub Center in 2017-18 | ProFootballTalk

If you were to tell me 10 years ago that "until their stadium is built, a football team is playing in an MLS stadium", I never would have believed you. It's usually the other way around. Great news for the Galaxy and MLS, to be honest. Should be fun to see a football game (on TV) in such a cozy setting as well.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Chargers plan to play at StubHub Center in 2017-18 | ProFootballTalk

If you were to tell me 10 years ago that "until their stadium is built, a football team is playing in an MLS stadium", I never would have believed you. It's usually the other way around. Great news for the Galaxy and MLS, to be honest. Should be fun to see a football game (on TV) in such a cozy setting as well.

Yea I have been trying to figure out if this was some ploy to get another venue (like the Rose Bowl) to jump in, since that almost seems too small to be worth it.

BTW, it can't be the Rose Bowl, anyway, unless the City of Pasadena has changed its rules about how it allows the Rose Bowl to be operated.

[ISiddiqui]

If it can't be the Rose Bowl, that's really the only other place they can play in LA, right?

[albionmoonlight]

I think that it's a fun gimmick for a couple of years. Tickets will be scarce, which will contrast to the acres of empty seats at Rams games. And it might let them build up a bit of a cool scrappy outsidery kind of image.

And the franchise will double in value, so a couple years of shitty ticket revenue isn't that big of a deal.

[murrayyyyy]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Chargers plan to play at StubHub Center in 2017-18 | ProFootballTalk

If you were to tell me 10 years ago that "until their stadium is built, a football team is playing in an MLS stadium", I never would have believed you. It's usually the other way around. Great news for the Galaxy and MLS, to be honest. Should be fun to see a football game (on TV) in such a cozy setting as well.

Should have just moved to Vegas and played at Sam Boyd for two years like the Oilers did when they stopped off in Memphis for two year while Nashville built the stadium.

[murrayyyyy]

and they already have a new logo out? Jesus they moved on quick... Just make our stuff look like the Dodgers fam.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

If it can't be the Rose Bowl, that's really the only other place they can play in LA, right?

The other option is the Coliseum, switching off with the Rams.

They could also try to get either local baseball stadium to be a temporary home, but there are always problems when you combine the two usages.

[Chief Rum]

Wait...so I go to work for the day and when I come back, I find that my team has hired the kid who played Dan Quayle on those old SNL skits to be the new head coach?

[CrescentMoonie]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Wait...so I go to work for the day and when I come back, I find that my team has hired the kid who played Dan Quayle on those old SNL skits to be the new head coach?

McVay is brilliant. I've not heard a single person say otherwise. The moment Gruden handed over playcalling to Sean, the Redskins offense took off. You'll almost definitely end up with Wade Phillips to run the D. Wes Phillips, Wade's son, may leave the Redskins with McVay and he's been really good with our TEs. I've even heard a rumor of Norv Turner coming on at the OC there. That's a pretty smart way to go for the youngest HC ever.