2012 NFL Offseason thread

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Samdari

Having Matt Moore and David Garrard signed in no way equals "set"

They would take a rookie to groom versus adding Tebow.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Matthean

I watched a clip with Skip Bayless saying 6-8 teams would look into getting Tebow. Now that Miami is set, I want him to name one outside of Jacksonville.

I think several teams could be interested in him as a back-up and specialty player. Philly or NE wouldn't shock me.

If Peter King's sources are correct that Peyton was turned off of the Titans because he thought the "coming home to Tennessee" thing would be bad because of the circus atmosphere it might create, then I'm even more confident in my belief about him wanting Tebow gone. Maybe he didn't call Elway and give him the "I'll only sign with you if you trade Tebow" ultimatum, but my guess is it was discussed. And I'm sure when it was brought up, Elway said, "I'm already 6 steps ahead of you on that issue."

[spleen1015]

Skip Bayless makes my brain ache.

[flounder]

Of all the crimes against humanity ESPN has perpetrated, the elevation of Skip Bayless to a national figure has to be the worst.

[Ksyrup]

No shit.

I regularly listen to the 7am segment of M&M as I drive into work, but this morning, the moment I realized who was talking, I switched it off. Golic's clumsy enough as it is being the "PBP" guy when Greeny isn't there, but Bayless? Really?

Could you imagine if they paired Bayless with Stephen A .Smith? Holy shit, the world would end.

[bronconick]

Originally Posted by flounder

Of all the crimes against humanity ESPN has perpetrated, the elevation of Skip Bayless to a national figure has to be the worst.

He's stepping into the "Lord, please make him go away" position at ESPN that Craig James had pretty well.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Former Steelers WR Hines Ward expected to retire Tuesday

[Rizon]

Originally Posted by Samdari

Having Matt Moore and David Garrard signed in no way equals "set"

Knowing the Dolphins front office, they're 100% certain they have two Dan Marinos.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I think several teams could be interested in him as a back-up and specialty player. Philly or NE wouldn't shock me.

If Peter King's sources are correct that Peyton was turned off of the Titans because he thought the "coming home to Tennessee" thing would be bad because of the circus atmosphere it might create, then I'm even more confident in my belief about him wanting Tebow gone. Maybe he didn't call Elway and give him the "I'll only sign with you if you trade Tebow" ultimatum, but my guess is it was discussed. And I'm sure when it was brought up, Elway said, "I'm already 6 steps ahead of you on that issue."

NE is a convenient boogyman here b/c of McDaniels, but I submit that there is ZERO chance that they take 1 SNAP away from TOM M'FN BRADY to give to Tebow. Not even to mention all the changes to the offense you'd have to make for a "Tebow package." It makes no goddamn sense. If teams were willing to do that then there'd be no incentive for the Broncos to keep him...they would just do the same thing you're proposing the Pats do, but with Manning.

I heard a Denver sports guy on the radio this morning asking the NE guys what they thought of a Tebow-Mallet swap. I wanted to reach through the radio and beat his ass for asking such a stupid goddamn question.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Yeah, it says there are a lot of really f'n stupid GM's in the league. Or at least a sizable number who'd rather consistently lose pretty than at least have a chance to win ugly.

Say what you will but Tebow has one more playoff win than (among others) Matt Ryan. And if you built a team & staff around both guys to maximize the sum total of their abilities, I absolutely believe you'd get more playoff wins out of Tebow over their lifetime.

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

You mean the one that actually matters?

Look, I'm not at all suggesting that Tebow would make every team better. But there isn't the slightest doubt in my mind that, in a situation where you had both mgmt & coaching on board with it, he'd produce better results than at least 8-10 of them will get otherwise.

I agree with Jon.

Bradford has been mediocre at best and I see no one ready to write him off yet (except me ).

Tebow has been in the league for two seasons and has had two different Head Coaches and two different Offensive Coordinators and had one truncated off-season. Neither season did he enter as the starter getting reps with the first team offense. If RGIII experiences similar circumstances, are we ready to write him off after year two?

In my opinion, there is vast room for growth for Tebow in the pro game. But if you measure competitiveness, I'd put him up with Brady and the Manning's in a heartbeat.

Send him to Miami, at worst I get entertained for a couple of seasons...

[Ksyrup]

In an alternate universe, it would be really entertaining to see what McDaniels, as head coach and with a big say in personnel decisions, would do with Tebow and how he would respond to it. Because if there's anyone in the pro game today who I tihnk would have said 'fuck it' and built a team around Tebow, it is McDaniels. I'm glad it didn't happen with my team, but I'm at least a little sad that scenario never got to play itself out.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by BillJasper

I agree with Jon.

Bradford has been mediocre at best and I see no one ready to write him off yet (except me ).

Tebow has been in the league for two seasons and has had two different Head Coaches and two different Offensive Coordinators and had one truncated off-season. Neither season did he enter as the starter getting reps with the first team offense. If RGIII experiences similar circumstances, are we ready to write him off after year two?

In my opinion, there is vast room for growth for Tebow in the pro game. But if you measure competitiveness, I'd put him up with Brady and the Manning's in a heartbeat.

Send him to Miami, at worst I get entertained for a couple of seasons...

RGIII has some room for concern in how he adapts to the NFL game, but considering one of them is not the *inability to throw a spiral*, I don't think it's a huge deal.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by BillJasper

If RGIII experiences similar circumstances, are we ready to write him off after year two?

These are different situations. Tebow coming into the draft was thought to have a slow release and to be very inaccurate. In the sample size we have seen of Tebow this appears to be the case. If you dont believe that the guy will ever fix this problem, why waste more time finding out?

RGIII that I know of doesnt have these weaknesses. It would depend on how bad he struggled as well. Ryan Leaf for as much talent as he supposedly had was out of the league in 3-4 years I believe. They dont get forever.

[JPhillips]

I can't think of a player that has performed as poorly as Tebow and gotten significantly better. There are examples of players not getting a chance and then playing well, but Tebow has gotten his chance.

[Ksyrup]

What I loved was reading various articles analyzing what teams might be in play for him, and after all of this discussion about who the coach was, offensive schemes, current QBs, etc., inevitably the first line of analysis would go something like, "Tebow's completion percentage is 45.5%, and that's not going to work for X's offense."

No shit, sherlock! But tell me, who's offense will that work for?!

[Ksyrup]

Lions re-sign Tulloch.

[Qwikshot]

Eagles get DeMeco Ryans from the Texans.

[cartman]

Geez. First the Texans lose Super Mario, now they trade DeMeco Ryans. I guess with Peyton out of their division, they aren't worried about a pass rush anymore.

[Crapshoot]

Originally Posted by cartman

Geez. First the Texans lose Super Mario, now they trade DeMeco Ryans. I guess with Peyton out of their division, they aren't worried about a pass rush anymore.

Yeah, I don't get that. Maybe because they were up against a salary cap crunch, but losing Williams seems like it might have helped that.

[Matthean]

Smith back at San Fran.

[Apathetic Lurker]

WTF????? Why the Jets? I can understand Jacksonville as a possible home for Tebow but why are the Jets now in the picture? Didnt they just extend Sanchez? At least Jax only has Henne and Gabbert......Sometimes I don't understand the suits in power.......

[Logan]

Because everything - yes, everything - the Jets do is moronic.

[Ksyrup]

Probably looking to finally replace Brad Smith?

[Apathetic Lurker]

I was thinking of that Brad thing too but you risk shattering the fragile ego of Mr Sanchez. And thats not counting the whiplash he's going to be dealing with from looking over his shoulder everytime he throws an incompletion.

[Ksyrup]

I agree. But from where I sit, the combination of Sanchez, Tebow, Rex Ryan, the New York media/fans, and the Tebow Disciples would be a helluva lot of fun to watch. They'd be nuts to bring him in just because of that. There are other, much more low-key ways to add that kind of threat to the team.

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I agree. But from where I sit, the combination of Sanchez, Tebow, Rex Ryan, the New York media/fans, and the Tebow Disciples would be a helluva lot of fun to watch. They'd be nuts to bring him in just because of that. There are other, much more low-key ways to add that kind of threat to the team.

I agree with this analysis. PLEASE MAKE THIS HAPPEN PEOPLE. I haven't heard any other scenario that sounds half as entertaining as this.

[MrBug708]

Great interview from Chris Kluwe to reddit.

Chris Kluwe AMA : nfl

[–]BrownsJesteroftheApocalyps 58 points 17 hours ago

You ever hear a gunner yell out "LEEEEEEROOOY JENKINS!" when gunning?


[–]Vikings playerLoate 73 points 16 hours ago

No, but that would be awesome. I think I'll suggest it to them.

[Ksyrup]

Can you imagine the level of booing and the chants for Tebow when Sanchez is 6-19 for 98 yards and 2 INTs at the end of the 3rd quarter, and the Jets are down 19-10 to the Bills?

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Can you imagine the level of booing and the chants for Tebow when Sanchez is 6-19 for 98 yards and 2 INTs at the end of the 3rd quarter, and the Jets are down 19-10 to the Bills?

I can't believe I'm saying this, and I'll pause for laughter after...but I think Jets fans are too intelligent for that.

I've seen nothing that indicates the fans would have any interest in Tebow, or think he would be able to come in and solve anything. I've felt that the Tebow adoration is much, much more toned down in this area of the country. Of course you get it from shows like Good Morning America and The Today Show, but not from actual sports programming.

Jets fans I know are disgusted at the thought of bringing Tebow in, and that's among probably a 70/30 split who are doubting Sanchez long term.

[SteveMax58]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

I can't think of a player that has performed as poorly as Tebow and gotten significantly better. There are examples of players not getting a chance and then playing well, but Tebow has gotten his chance.

Steve Young says, "oh hai"

Steve Young NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com

[SteveMax58]

Tebow to Philly or Washington makes the most football sense to me with Jax as a 3rd option for selling tickets. I know Tebow's game is a bit different from Vick or RGIII but its more adaptable to their games then Peyton Manning's.

Vick is brittle and will miss at least 3-4 games a season (or push it and play ineffectively) and they could use somebody that is adaptable for that stretch of games. Washington makes sense to me given the likelihood of RGIII. You install an offense geared towards RGIII and have Tebow try to run it for a little while until you feel RG is ready.

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by SteveMax58

You install an offense geared towards RGIII and have Tebow try to run it for a little while until you feel RG is ready.

Um.. wha?

RGIII is more ready right now than Tebow is.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Great interview from Chris Kluwe to reddit.

Chris Kluwe AMA : nfl

[–]BrownsJesteroftheApocalyps 58 points 17 hours ago

You ever hear a gunner yell out "LEEEEEEROOOY JENKINS!" when gunning?


[–]Vikings playerLoate 73 points 16 hours ago

No, but that would be awesome. I think I'll suggest it to them.

hahahahahahah

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by SteveMax58

Steve Young says, "oh hai"

Steve Young NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com

Steve Young was a lot better than Tebow in his first two years.

[Ksyrup]

Rams rumored to be "strongly interested" in trading for Tebow.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Payton suspended for a year, loss of 2nd round draft picks it looks like.

edit: Greg Williams suspended indefinitely.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Tebow to the Jets for 4th rounder, per Glazer.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Payton suspended for a year, loss of 2nd round draft picks it looks like.

edit: Greg Williams suspended indefinitely.

Sounds good.

[Crapshoot]

Payton for the year, Saints lose a 2nd round pick in 2012 and 2013, Loomis for 8 games; Williams in basically perpetuity.

[spleen1015]

Tebow has been traded to the Jets.

Edit - I am a bit slow.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Tebow to the Jets for 4th rounder, per Glazer.

I kind of like this spot for Tebow.

Sanchez is losing basically everyone except the coaching staff right now and if Tebow should get the chance this good defense/ball control type team fits him well.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

This will destroy any chance that Sanchez has, I would say. Right after they extend him. Makes zero sense to me.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

This will destroy and chance that Sanchez has, I would say. Right after they extend him. Makes zero sense to me.

It will either destroy his fragile ego or make him step up his game. Could go either way. Perhaps they want to try and motivate him to become the player they are expecting, who knows.

[Tigercat]

Suspending a head coach a full year, including through a draft? We still don't know the real details of what Payton and Loomis knew and did/didn't do. But damn, it better have been CLEAR negligence. They just fucked up an NFL team for an entire year. And that means you fuck with all the employees of said team. And that, in turn, creates a domino effect that lasts beyond a year.

[Samdari]

Originally Posted by Tigercat

We still don't know the real details of what Payton and Loomis knew and did/didn't do.

I bet the NFL has a pretty good idea of this.

EDIT: Just like spygate, the NFL is under no obligation to reveal to the public the complete details of their investigation.

[Rizon]

Tebow to the Jets??? BAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

[jbergey22]

So if Payton got an entire year the probably means Williams will never coach again?

[spleen1015]

Anyone else think the Jets are getting desperate?

[Rizon]

I do feel bad for Tebow, though. As bad as a QB dude is, he doesn't deserve that mess.

[molson]

It's kind of weird that a general manager can be suspended games. I guess that just means he can't do anything work for the team those 8 weeks.

And Tebow to the Jets is just awesome for some reasons already touched on. Two very flawed but very famous QBs on one team in the New York market. I can't wait.