The Democrat Party Headquarters Thread (No Repubs Allowed!!) - Page 19

KWhit · 07-25-2008, 01:24 PM

And we need to write 2 bills today. Any ideas?

PackerFanatic · 07-25-2008, 01:28 PM

I have tried asking too, KWhit, to no avail.

KWhit · 07-25-2008, 01:30 PM

Do we know what the tie-breaker for lynch is? We could write a bill about that (not that I know exactly what that would be)...

KWhit · 07-25-2008, 01:35 PM

Or we could have a sabatage bill which makes anyone who uses their power to rig someone else's election to either 1) have it possibly backfire on themselves or 2) have it released to the media so that everyone knows who sabotaged it.

PackerFanatic · 07-25-2008, 01:36 PM

I think the released to media piece would be quite interesting, I like that.

KWhit · 07-25-2008, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

I think the released to media piece would be quite interesting, I like that.

Yeah, I was thinking that my election tonight could be interesting. A wolf might want to get me out of office now that I'm cleared (although that's less important now since I'd still be able to vote for wolves).

Lathum · 07-25-2008, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit

Or we could have a sabatage bill which makes anyone who uses their power to rig someone else's election to either 1) have it possibly backfire on themselves or 2) have it released to the media so that everyone knows who sabotaged it.

I have that power so I am a little hesatant on the backfire piece of it.

When you sabatouge someones election they are told who did it in a PM so a bill like that may be redundant but a good way to confirm it.

chesapeake · 07-25-2008, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit

Yeah, I was thinking that my election tonight could be interesting. A wolf might want to get me out of office now that I'm cleared (although that's less important now since I'd still be able to vote for wolves).

Interesting thought and interesting bill suggestion. I like it.

Lathum · 07-25-2008, 01:48 PM

I really need someone to explain to me why we arent voting for a republican today.

We have a 9-6 advantage, if we take out another republican it is 9-5.

KWhit · 07-25-2008, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

I have that power so I am a little hesatant on the backfire piece of it.

When you sabatouge someones election they are told who did it in a PM so a bill like that may be redundant but a good way to confirm it.

Yeah, but if someone were to rig your election tonight to get you out of the game, you wouldn't be able to tell us who did it because you'd be out of the game.

And (not trying to be too suspicious here), we only have your and Chubby's word on that, and the fact that you guys are saying that you were sabotaged by the 2 players who are currently out of the game (they can't answer the charges) leaves me wanting more.

Lathum · 07-25-2008, 01:49 PM

what about something where each parties leaders wolf vote counts double?

KWhit · 07-25-2008, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

I really need someone to explain to me why we arent voting for a republican today.

We have a 9-6 advantage, if we take out another republican it is 9-5.

I'm not voting for a Republican because I think EF is a wolf.

Lathum · 07-25-2008, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit

Yeah, but if someone were to rig your election tonight to get you out of the game, you wouldn't be able to tell us who did it because you'd be out of the game.

And (not trying to be too suspicious here), we only have your and Chubby's word on that, and the fact that you guys are saying that you were sabotaged by the 2 players who are currently out of the game (they can't answer the charges) leaves me wanting more.

my ability allows me to guarentee my own re election tonight.

And what are the odds that chubby and I are both wolves and concocted this fake ability?

thats quite a stretch.

Lathum · 07-25-2008, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit

I'm not voting for a Republican because I think EF is a wolf.

then go after him once the republican party is decimated

PackerFanatic · 07-25-2008, 01:55 PM

I think we need to focus on wolves more than the parties right now. There will be plenty of time to take down that party.

KWhit · 07-25-2008, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

my ability allows me to guarentee my own re election tonight.

And what are the odds that chubby and I are both wolves and concocted this fake ability?

thats quite a stretch.

I'm not saying that I believe that's what happened. It's just a weird coincidence that has me thinking.

And I think it's good to have the sabotage announced publicly to the congress. I don't think I'd want to sabotager to be announced to the media because that would imply a popularity hit. There may be times when we want to try to use this to ouster a suspected wolf and wouldn't want the person doing it to have to take a pop hit as long as everyone knew.

The way I see it is that the rigging of elections is another possible tool in the toolbox of the wolves. If we make it less likely they can use it on us and getting away with it, we're better off.

KWhit · 07-25-2008, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

then go after him once the republican party is decimated

The repubs have shown a lot of bipartisanship this game. I say we reciprocate that for now. I'm not saying that I want us to even things up with them, but we're much more likely to get a wolf by voting Dem today.

Lathum · 07-25-2008, 02:00 PM

like I said, I am fine with making the sabatour public.

I am not fine with the possibility of backfire.

KWhit · 07-25-2008, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

like I said, I am fine with making the sabatour public.

I am not fine with the possibility of backfire.

Oh, I see. I missed that distinction.

I think I agree with you , but the original intent was that the law would only impact sabatage of someone ELSE'S election. Not if you affect your own.

path12 · 07-25-2008, 02:02 PM

I see merit in Lathum's suggestion regarding going after the Reps hard and then focusing on our own wolves.

I'd like to hear the reasoning for taking turns (R-D) on wolf votes -- my impression from the main thread was that they are the ones pushing that idea but I'll have to read back.

Lathum · 07-25-2008, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit

The repubs have shown a lot of bipartisanship this game. I say we reciprocate that for now. I'm not saying that I want us to even things up with them, but we're much more likely to get a wolf by voting Dem today.

I say bolloks.

We have a chance to snuff them out.

If we lynch EF today and then a Dem gets night killed we are pretty much even again

Lathum · 07-25-2008, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit

Oh, I see. I missed that distinction.

I think I agree with you , but the original intent was that the law would only impact sabatage of someone ELSE'S election. Not if you affect your own.

right.

but I also one time can effect someone re election.

I wanted to do it tonight but I cant guarentee my own re election and sabatouge someone elses in the same day

KWhit · 07-25-2008, 02:10 PM

Congressional Electoral Oversight Bill

WHEREAS, allegations of tampering in prior elections undermines the democratic process.

BE IT RESOLVED:

Additional oversight shall be provided to enable elections to proceed with full accountability.

If a congressperson abuses his power to impact a fellow congressperson's election (positively or negatively), it will become immediately known to the rest of the Congress. The media will not be alerted (so there will be no popularity impact from the action).

In addition, if a Congressperson uses his power to infuence his or her OWN election, this will not be made public to the Congress.

-----------------------------------

Question: Should we include the bolded part? Or do we want to know when somebody affects their own election too?

Lathum · 07-25-2008, 02:15 PM

i think it's good

chesapeake · 07-25-2008, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit

Congressional Electoral Oversight Bill

WHEREAS, allegations of tampering in prior elections undermines the democratic process.

BE IT RESOLVED:

Additional oversight shall be provided to enable elections to proceed with full accountability.

If a congressperson uses his power to impact a fellow congressperson's election (positively or negatively), that Member's identity will become immediately known to the rest of the Congress in connection with that action. The media will not be alerted (so there will be no popularity impact from the action).

In addition, if a Congressperson uses his power to infuence his or her OWN election, this will not be made public to the Congress.

-----------------------------------

Question: Should we include the bolded part? Or do we want to know when somebody affects their own election too?

Bolded part is fine.

henry296 · 07-25-2008, 02:23 PM

I also have the ability to help out another person's election positively. Would that be subject to our bill?

KWhit · 07-25-2008, 02:23 PM

Should I go ahead and post it? I'm gonna leave pretty soon and I want to get it out for votes early since it's friday.

KWhit · 07-25-2008, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henry296

I also have the ability to help out another person's election positively. Would that be subject to our bill?

Yes.

KWhit · 07-25-2008, 02:24 PM

My thinking on this is that secrecy benefits wolves. This just gets stuff out into the open more.

chesapeake · 07-25-2008, 02:28 PM

Post it

KWhit · 07-25-2008, 02:37 PM

I put mccollins and chesapeake as sponsors since it seems they could use a little help.

mccollins · 07-25-2008, 03:05 PM

Thanks, I went ahead and voted for it just in case.

Any suggestions for PackerFan's bill proposal?

Chesapeake, any word from Pass. on their bill or when it will be announced?

chesapeake · 07-25-2008, 03:11 PM

Pass says they are looking at an anti-thief bill, whereby a thief couldn't use his powers against a non-wolf. They apparently are hoping we offer a thief bill

chesapeake · 07-25-2008, 03:32 PM

Since the GOP is floating an anti-thief bill and PF still has the opportunity to offer one:

Be it resolved:

The role of the Sergeant-at-Arms is created. The Sergeant-at-Arms, will be selected at random from all Members of Congress who are not members of the Wolf Party and do not already have a role as created by an Act of Congress.

Once per night, the Sergeant-at-Arms may select one other player. There is an X% chance that the selected player's nighttime actions are nullified.

Thoughts? I know CR discouraged new roles but didn't rule them out.

Lathum · 07-25-2008, 03:38 PM

CR basicly told us no more roles will be created so why even bother going for a bill that will get shot down

Chubby · 07-25-2008, 03:46 PM

catching up

chesapeake · 07-25-2008, 04:04 PM

I'm working with Olie to satisfy the court on KWhit's bill.

McC, will you be around for the next hour? You'd have to resubmit it.

mccollins · 07-25-2008, 04:06 PM

Oh, is KWhit gone? I'm walking out the door and won't be back till around 8:30pm.

If allowed, I hereby name Chesapeake to be the Democratic Whip for the rest of the day.

mccollins · 07-25-2008, 04:07 PM

Pass posted a bill on Day 1 or 2 in the absence of the GOP Leader / Whip. You should be good to go.

chesapeake · 07-25-2008, 04:11 PM

KWhit said he would be back at some point, but as soon as I get an OK from the court, we need to get it up so folks can vote.

Chubby · 07-25-2008, 04:15 PM

i voted for eaglefan as well as everyone is making sense and I don't have a good read on him and i trust kwhit more than anyone not counting myself.

chesapeake · 07-25-2008, 04:26 PM

This, BTW, is the revised text I sent to oliegirl and CR
Congressional Electoral Oversight Bill

CONGRESSIONAL SPONSORSHIP: Mccollins and Chesapeake

WHEREAS, allegations of tampering in prior elections have undermined the democratic process.

BE IT RESOLVED:

Additional oversight shall be provided to enable elections to proceed with full accountability.

If a congressperson uses his power to impact a fellow congressperson's election (positively or negatively), there is an X% chance that a staffer will squeal and it will become immediately known to the rest of the Congress who attempted to affect the campaign.

The media will not be alerted (so there will be no popularity impact from the action).

In addition, if a Congressperson uses his power to infuence his or her OWN election, this will not be made public to the Congress.

chesapeake · 07-25-2008, 04:30 PM

McC, given oliegirl's statement, we should withdraw our bill regardless of whether we can revise it. No reason to doubt she is telling the truth.

PackerFanatic · 07-25-2008, 04:47 PM

So we got anything to submit for today? I know we can't really do any more roles, but there has got to be something we can come up with...

chesapeake · 07-25-2008, 04:49 PM

I'm blowing this popstand in 12 minutes. I haven't heard back from Oliegirl. Given that she essentially declared that it would be overturned by the courts, I'm going to withdraw it, pending affirmation by McC or KWhit. Hopefully she gets back to me with an up or down on the revised bill.

chesapeake · 07-25-2008, 05:01 PM

oliegirl gave me the goahead on a bill. Please revote.

EagleFan · 07-25-2008, 07:21 PM

How about the we have no idea what we are doing so we'll lynch a good guy bill?

Chubby · 07-25-2008, 07:25 PM

I'm heading to bed. I'm using my ability tonight on myself to swing my election in my favor. I don't feel I have any other choice. Hopefully we all get reelected and will be in good shape.

I'll check in before I head into work (6am-4pm again). Not sure what is going on after work tomorrow. I will DEFINATELY check in when I get home from work but after that I dont know. I was supposed to go to Harborfest with the girlfriend but the weather may play havok with that. If we do go it's only for the evening and we'll be back sunday midday. Just fillin' everyone in.

EagleFan · 07-25-2008, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit

I'm not voting for a Republican because I think EF is a wolf.

You are WRONG!!! Oh well, good luck all, hopefully you'll find some better leadership.

Lathum · 07-26-2008, 10:58 AM

well we all got re elected which was nice.

I had a feeling EF was good, the wolves are going to try and take out of of us again tonigh and most likely succed this time so we basicly fucked ourselvs and gave up control of the numbers game.

I suggest we vote along party lines, especialy considering they are gunning hard core for me, and I think Heinze is leading the charge and I really want to stick it to him.

07-25-2008, 01:28 PM	#902
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	I have tried asking too, KWhit, to no avail. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

07-25-2008, 01:36 PM	#905
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	I think the released to media piece would be quite interesting, I like that. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

07-25-2008, 01:55 PM	#915
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	I think we need to focus on wolves more than the parties right now. There will be plenty of time to take down that party. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

07-25-2008, 02:02 PM	#920
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	I see merit in Lathum's suggestion regarding going after the Reps hard and then focusing on our own wolves. I'd like to hear the reasoning for taking turns (R-D) on wolf votes -- my impression from the main thread was that they are the ones pushing that idea but I'll have to read back. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

07-25-2008, 02:23 PM	#926
henry296 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	I also have the ability to help out another person's election positively. Would that be subject to our bill? __________________ "It's a great day for hockey" - "Badger" Bob Johnson

07-25-2008, 01:24 PM	#901
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	And we need to write 2 bills today. Any ideas?

07-25-2008, 01:30 PM	#903
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Do we know what the tie-breaker for lynch is? We could write a bill about that (not that I know exactly what that would be)...

07-25-2008, 01:35 PM	#904
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Or we could have a sabatage bill which makes anyone who uses their power to rig someone else's election to either 1) have it possibly backfire on themselves or 2) have it released to the media so that everyone knows who sabotaged it.

07-25-2008, 01:48 PM	#909
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I really need someone to explain to me why we arent voting for a republican today. We have a 9-6 advantage, if we take out another republican it is 9-5.

07-25-2008, 01:49 PM	#911
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	what about something where each parties leaders wolf vote counts double?

07-25-2008, 02:00 PM	#918
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	like I said, I am fine with making the sabatour public. I am not fine with the possibility of backfire.

07-25-2008, 02:10 PM	#923
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Congressional Electoral Oversight Bill WHEREAS, allegations of tampering in prior elections undermines the democratic process. BE IT RESOLVED: Additional oversight shall be provided to enable elections to proceed with full accountability. If a congressperson abuses his power to impact a fellow congressperson's election (positively or negatively), it will become immediately known to the rest of the Congress. The media will not be alerted (so there will be no popularity impact from the action). In addition, if a Congressperson uses his power to infuence his or her OWN election, this will not be made public to the Congress. ----------------------------------- Question: Should we include the bolded part? Or do we want to know when somebody affects their own election too?

07-25-2008, 02:15 PM	#924
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	i think it's good

07-25-2008, 02:23 PM	#927
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Should I go ahead and post it? I'm gonna leave pretty soon and I want to get it out for votes early since it's friday.

07-25-2008, 02:24 PM	#929
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	My thinking on this is that secrecy benefits wolves. This just gets stuff out into the open more.

07-25-2008, 02:28 PM	#930
chesapeake College Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arlington, VA	Post it

07-25-2008, 02:37 PM	#931
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	I put mccollins and chesapeake as sponsors since it seems they could use a little help.

07-25-2008, 03:05 PM	#932
mccollins College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nicholasville, KY	Thanks, I went ahead and voted for it just in case. Any suggestions for PackerFan's bill proposal? Chesapeake, any word from Pass. on their bill or when it will be announced?

07-25-2008, 03:11 PM	#933
chesapeake College Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arlington, VA	Pass says they are looking at an anti-thief bill, whereby a thief couldn't use his powers against a non-wolf. They apparently are hoping we offer a thief bill

07-25-2008, 03:32 PM	#934
chesapeake College Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arlington, VA	Since the GOP is floating an anti-thief bill and PF still has the opportunity to offer one: Be it resolved: The role of the Sergeant-at-Arms is created. The Sergeant-at-Arms, will be selected at random from all Members of Congress who are not members of the Wolf Party and do not already have a role as created by an Act of Congress. Once per night, the Sergeant-at-Arms may select one other player. There is an X% chance that the selected player's nighttime actions are nullified. Thoughts? I know CR discouraged new roles but didn't rule them out.

07-25-2008, 03:38 PM	#935
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	CR basicly told us no more roles will be created so why even bother going for a bill that will get shot down

07-25-2008, 03:46 PM	#936
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	catching up

07-25-2008, 04:04 PM	#937
chesapeake College Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arlington, VA	I'm working with Olie to satisfy the court on KWhit's bill. McC, will you be around for the next hour? You'd have to resubmit it.

07-25-2008, 04:06 PM	#938
mccollins College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nicholasville, KY	Oh, is KWhit gone? I'm walking out the door and won't be back till around 8:30pm. If allowed, I hereby name Chesapeake to be the Democratic Whip for the rest of the day.

07-25-2008, 04:07 PM	#939
mccollins College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nicholasville, KY	Pass posted a bill on Day 1 or 2 in the absence of the GOP Leader / Whip. You should be good to go.

07-25-2008, 04:11 PM	#940
chesapeake College Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arlington, VA	KWhit said he would be back at some point, but as soon as I get an OK from the court, we need to get it up so folks can vote.

07-25-2008, 04:15 PM	#941
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	i voted for eaglefan as well as everyone is making sense and I don't have a good read on him and i trust kwhit more than anyone not counting myself.

07-25-2008, 04:26 PM	#942
chesapeake College Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arlington, VA	This, BTW, is the revised text I sent to oliegirl and CR Congressional Electoral Oversight Bill CONGRESSIONAL SPONSORSHIP: Mccollins and Chesapeake WHEREAS, allegations of tampering in prior elections have undermined the democratic process. BE IT RESOLVED: Additional oversight shall be provided to enable elections to proceed with full accountability. If a congressperson uses his power to impact a fellow congressperson's election (positively or negatively), there is an X% chance that a staffer will squeal and it will become immediately known to the rest of the Congress who attempted to affect the campaign. The media will not be alerted (so there will be no popularity impact from the action). In addition, if a Congressperson uses his power to infuence his or her OWN election, this will not be made public to the Congress.

07-25-2008, 04:30 PM	#943
chesapeake College Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arlington, VA	McC, given oliegirl's statement, we should withdraw our bill regardless of whether we can revise it. No reason to doubt she is telling the truth.

07-25-2008, 04:47 PM	#944
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	So we got anything to submit for today? I know we can't really do any more roles, but there has got to be something we can come up with... __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

07-25-2008, 04:49 PM	#945
chesapeake College Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arlington, VA	I'm blowing this popstand in 12 minutes. I haven't heard back from Oliegirl. Given that she essentially declared that it would be overturned by the courts, I'm going to withdraw it, pending affirmation by McC or KWhit. Hopefully she gets back to me with an up or down on the revised bill.

07-25-2008, 05:01 PM	#946
chesapeake College Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arlington, VA	oliegirl gave me the goahead on a bill. Please revote.

07-25-2008, 07:21 PM	#947
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	How about the we have no idea what we are doing so we'll lynch a good guy bill?

07-25-2008, 07:25 PM	#948
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	I'm heading to bed. I'm using my ability tonight on myself to swing my election in my favor. I don't feel I have any other choice. Hopefully we all get reelected and will be in good shape. I'll check in before I head into work (6am-4pm again). Not sure what is going on after work tomorrow. I will DEFINATELY check in when I get home from work but after that I dont know. I was supposed to go to Harborfest with the girlfriend but the weather may play havok with that. If we do go it's only for the evening and we'll be back sunday midday. Just fillin' everyone in.

07-26-2008, 10:58 AM	#950
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	well we all got re elected which was nice. I had a feeling EF was good, the wolves are going to try and take out of of us again tonigh and most likely succed this time so we basicly fucked ourselvs and gave up control of the numbers game. I suggest we vote along party lines, especialy considering they are gunning hard core for me, and I think Heinze is leading the charge and I really want to stick it to him.