Katrina hits Category 5. - Page 19

WSUCougar · 09-01-2005, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

WSUCougar, that post made me laugh and I was about to reply to it, but it looks like you deleted it. Anyway, I took it in the humorous light that it was intended

Glad to see you say that! I lost my nerve after seeing it up there on the screen, and thought, "Oh, man, what an insensitive asshat I am."

Buzzbee · 09-01-2005, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by WSUCougar

Glad to see you say that! I lost my nerve after seeing it up there on the screen, and thought, "Oh, man, what an insensitive asshat I am."

Well, since he took it in a humorous light, re-post it!!

DaddyTorgo · 09-01-2005, 03:36 PM

sorry, i should have mentioned that the "this is not my america" line was something i snagged off one of those viewer e-mails that was a lot more venemous then i wanted to post here, didn't want to turn this thread partisan. but it's how i feel pretty much, i mean how can we not be doing more to help these people. How does the mayor have to come onto CNN and issue a desperate SOS saying "we are running out of supplies and buses. we have nothing. help us." what's up with THAT?? If we can't even get the legitmate authorities supplies etc., then how well prepared were we? And all I'm saying is we should have been a hell of a lot better prepared.

JonInMiddleGA · 09-01-2005, 03:36 PM

Airdrops would create an even worse situation than already exists, or at least a more dangerous one, especially for those who need them most.

I am starting to get the feeling that the tug-of-war for power behind the scenes is MUCH bigger than even a skeptic like me might have imagined. What's unfolding is starting to smell to me like a case where everytime someone says "why don't we do XYZ", three other people say "no, you can't do that because QRS".

So, anybody here a savvy enough legal mind to spell out who has jurisdiction over what in a situation like this? I'm happy to admit that this would be about 3 large layers over my head minimum when it comes to figuring that out. Is it as simple (and inefficient) as everybody being in charges of their own resources but there's no single point of command that isn't a glorified committee?

Simms · 09-01-2005, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

I've been trying to figure this out the last couple of days. Where is WWL operating out of? Do they have a spot in outlying New Orleans or did they move to a nearby city or what?

SI

I've noticed that a lot of their footage has the KHOU call letters across the bottom. Since they are both part of the same network of stations (BELO -- also KVUE in Austin, WFAA Fort Worth, KTVK Phoenix, etc.), I imagine they're playing a large role in assisting them.

All the BELO stations are actually clients of the company I work for...we'd been dealing with folks at many of these stations, including WWL, for the last couple of weeks in the run-up to football season.

GoldenEagle · 09-01-2005, 03:40 PM

The destruction of the casinos in Mississippi is amazing. I am not going to clutter this thread with pictures, but if you want to take a look I provided a link below. It is from the Memphis Tigers message board, so it is safe for all.

http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/memphi...&f=10&t=33277&

JonInMiddleGA · 09-01-2005, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

sorry, i should have mentioned that the "this is not my america" line was something i snagged off one of those viewer e-mails that was a lot more venemous then i wanted to post here, didn't want to turn this thread partisan. but it's how i feel pretty much, i mean how can we not be doing more to help these people. How does the mayor have to come onto CNN and issue a desperate SOS saying "we are running out of supplies and buses. we have nothing. help us." what's up with THAT?? If we can't even get the legitmate authorities supplies etc., then how well prepared were we? And all I'm saying is we should have been a hell of a lot better prepared.

DT, see the last bit of my post immediately after yours for part of my response.

Also add to that: prepared doesn't always equal effective, in ANY situation.

And I don't believe for a minute that there was adequate planning or preparation for the level of violence against the rescue workers nor resident against resident. And I'll bluntly blame that on planning documents that had to be watered down (no pun intended) in order to avoid offending people.

WSUCougar · 09-01-2005, 03:46 PM

In a lot of ways I think it simply boils down to a general disdain for doing what is really necessary, as opposed to doing what is affordable when it comes to such things. It's a "pay me now or pay me later" thing, with Mother Nature Incorporated on the invoice. Too often the price-tag on appropriate safety measures (or whatever) is prohibitive; people see the price tag and shrink away. Only the tragic bite of reality makes people realize the error of their ways.

Farrah Whitworth-Rahn · 09-01-2005, 03:49 PM

I know y'all were really worried....but Britney Spears and her family made it through Hurricane Katrina safely.

http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/art...ritney-ON.html

Buzzbee · 09-01-2005, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

sorry, i should have mentioned that the "this is not my america" line was something i snagged off one of those viewer e-mails that was a lot more venemous then i wanted to post here, didn't want to turn this thread partisan. but it's how i feel pretty much, i mean how can we not be doing more to help these people. How does the mayor have to come onto CNN and issue a desperate SOS saying "we are running out of supplies and buses. we have nothing. help us." what's up with THAT?? If we can't even get the legitmate authorities supplies etc., then how well prepared were we? And all I'm saying is we should have been a hell of a lot better prepared.

No problem, and I can understand your frustration. I feel it too. I guess I'm much to analytical and can step away from the human side to a slight degree. When the mayor says "we need supplies, we need busses" my thought is where are the busses going to come from, who is going to drive them, who is going to keep them safe, how are they going to get where they need to go, who is going to tell them where they need to go, where are they going to go when they pickup their load, who is going to take care of that load once they arrive at a safe place?

That's kinda why I jumped on Flasch a little bit. There is a bit more to it than just jumping in and grabbing somebody. On a small scale that might be effective, but on a larger scale it becomes much more difficult.

I think this is where the breakdown has occurred. There isn't one authority who steps in and says "we have assumed control." FEMA can do that to some extent, in providing search and rescue and aid, but they can't/aren't/won't deal with the instability caused by the looters/rioters.

Granted we can't just sit there and think them out, but rushing in seems just as foolish. I guess that kinda sums up my feelings.

Buzzbee · 09-01-2005, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by WSUCougar

In a lot of ways I think it simply boils down to a general disdain for doing what is really necessary, as opposed to doing what is affordable when it comes to such things. It's a "pay me now or pay me later" thing, with Mother Nature Incorporated on the invoice. Too often the price-tag on appropriate safety measures (or whatever) is prohibitive; people see the price tag and shrink away. Only the tragic bite of reality makes people realize the error of their ways.

I agree. No wait.

5 - Strongly agree

Eaglesfan27 · 09-01-2005, 03:55 PM

The rental agent for those apartments in Shreveport was very nice to me early today on the phone. She just called me to tell her that her boss (before she could even ask her boss) has just told her to waive the animal fee that was required on the executive apartments that we will be staying in starting in early-mid September. That is a 1200 dollar (300 dollars per pet is their standard fee) savings to us since we have 4 pets. It is just nice to see people do decent things and I'm quite thankful to her and her boss

CamEdwards · 09-01-2005, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by NoMyths

The major gas pipeline for the East Coast is back online, but only operating at 50% capacity.

That's actually good news. This morning it was only running at 25% capacity. That's the Colonial pipeline, btw. The Plantation pipeline will be up and running as soon as power's restored to Collins, MS.

gstelmack · 09-01-2005, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by WSUCougar

In a lot of ways I think it simply boils down to a general disdain for doing what is really necessary, as opposed to doing what is affordable when it comes to such things. It's a "pay me now or pay me later" thing, with Mother Nature Incorporated on the invoice. Too often the price-tag on appropriate safety measures (or whatever) is prohibitive; people see the price tag and shrink away. Only the tragic bite of reality makes people realize the error of their ways.

Yup. For example, we don't have a large contingent of snow plows on hand here, because snow and ice only hit a couple of days out of the year. It's cheaper to shut everything down for a few days. But we got hammered this past winter, when a "surprise" storm (one of those "surprises that happens every other year where the meteorologists say we'll get a 1/4" of precip and it turns into 18" of snow) plastered ice on the streets during the afternoon, and parents could not get their kids out of school. We had gridlock, with 20 minute drives home taking 12+ hours on some of the major thoroughfares. Hundreds (thousands?) of kids spent the night in their schools, which fortunately were set up to deal with it.

Of course, we also have an area that only has a handful of major arteries. Fortunately, my wife and I don't have to take one to get home, so it took us about 25 minutes instead of 15 to get home, mostly because we went slow in case we hit an icy patch.

People were screeching about what could have been done differently. Well, for starters, we could eliminate sprawl, but since that isn't happening all you can do is go home before any snow or ice fall. Not much else to do when ice comes-a-knockin'. Only real valid criticism was as the snow and ice started, they let the schools out, and sent a whole bunch of young 16-year-old drivers out into it. Would have been better off just keeping ALL the kids at school unless parents came for them.

But I digress. People need to keep in mind that this storm was only a threat to New Orleans for about 24 hours before it hit, and after it went through it looked like New Orleans came through okay. Everyone breathed a huge sigh of relief, started lining things up, and the next day the levees broke. It's been just over 48 hours since the flooding really started in earnest, 24 hours since the looting began, and something like 12 hours since the shooting got seriously rolling. Groups like the Red Cross were lined up and prepared (note all the reports of supply convoys being attacked; everyone is focusing on "attack" and not "there was a supply convoy"), but no one expected this level of violence. So they've had to switch gears twice in a little over 2 days on what exactly was needed to respond to this crisis, as the precise crisis has changed twice.

Monday night praise was being heaped upon Homeland Security for how quickly they were able to organize things and get them in place to repair from the hurricane. Within 2 days the situation COMPLETELY changed on everybody, and now people are yelling at how ineffective the response has been. How about a little dose of realism, folks?

JonInMiddleGA · 09-01-2005, 03:59 PM

And I think I'm as distressed by anything all week by the news that they're forcing people to abandon their pets before boarding the buses.

Wolfpack · 09-01-2005, 04:01 PM

The other great headache that's been induced is the fact that there is a very limited ability to get into and out of New Orleans right now (only I-10 west, right?). I'm fairly certain most of FEMA's disaster coping abilities can better handle more traditional locations (the recent spate of hurricanes in Florida, for example...how much complaining was there against FEMA for all those storms?). However, New Orleans is so unique geographically, I'm not sure FEMA (or any other agency at any level) could truly have been able to figure out what the best way to cope with what has happened. You can gameplan and drill all you want, but this situation is so unique I would wager that until it actually happened, nobody anywhere could truly appreciate how bad it was going to get. Sure, there were papers written about such scenarios, but it's another thing to actually have it happen and react to it. Just as in the military, planning never survives contact with the enemy (in this case a natural disaster and its aftermath).

Farrah Whitworth-Rahn · 09-01-2005, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

And I think I'm as distressed by anything all week by the news that they're forcing people to abandon their pets before boarding the buses.

Me too. I couldn't do it. My pets are family.

dawgfan · 09-01-2005, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Airdrops would create an even worse situation than already exists, or at least a more dangerous one, especially for those who need them most.

I am starting to get the feeling that the tug-of-war for power behind the scenes is MUCH bigger than even a skeptic like me might have imagined. What's unfolding is starting to smell to me like a case where everytime someone says "why don't we do XYZ", three other people say "no, you can't do that because QRS".

So, anybody here a savvy enough legal mind to spell out who has jurisdiction over what in a situation like this? I'm happy to admit that this would be about 3 large layers over my head minimum when it comes to figuring that out. Is it as simple (and inefficient) as everybody being in charges of their own resources but there's no single point of command that isn't a glorified committee?

I'm sure you're right, and this disaster will likely be the blueprint upon which all future contingency plans are based off, at least in terms of response and jurisdiction issues.

I would think that FEMA has the greatest jurisdiction here, but imagine how difficult given the circumstances it would be to establish that chain of command - virtually no power in the city, very few places within the city to mount a staging area, the growing anarchy in the streets with armed civilians - it's a total nightmare.

I suspect the biggest problem here is simply that of establishing who's in charge and having a well thought out response. Given the immediacy of need, this is extremely hard to do. I expect in the coming days and weeks we'll hear about wasted rescue supplies, too much food/water/sleeping bags in one area and not enough in another, simply because of the massive logistics in trying to respond to this tragedy.

Eaglesfan27 · 09-01-2005, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

And I think I'm as distressed by anything all week by the news that they're forcing people to abandon their pets before boarding the buses.

Me too. Mrs. Eaglefan works for Wyndham and they offer rooms for 25 dollars per night to employees, but they won't waive their no pet policy for employees. One of the service people in her company suggested that we leave our pets behind. Instead, we are paying what we need to pay to keep our pets safe.

Franklinnoble · 09-01-2005, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Me too. Mrs. Eaglefan works for Wyndham and they offer rooms for 25 dollars per night to employees, but they won't waive their no pet policy for employees. One of the service people in her company suggested that we leave our pets behind. Instead, we are paying what we need to pay to keep our pets safe.

That's a luxury that not a lot of people have.

I think if someone has already taken the trouble to rescue their dog, cat, hamster, whatever... then the relief organizations could be just a little bit more accomodating.

cthomer5000 · 09-01-2005, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

And I think I'm as distressed by anything all week by the news that they're forcing people to abandon their pets before boarding the buses.

Given the circumstances I think this is quite reasonable.

Eaglesfan27 · 09-01-2005, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

That's a luxury that not a lot of people have.

I think if someone has already taken the trouble to rescue their dog, cat, hamster, whatever... then the relief organizations could be just a little bit more accomodating.

I agree. I didn't mean to sound callous or anything. I'm outraged that the Wyndham did that. I'm equally outraged that relief organizations are doing it.

I'm just happy that this apartment complex in Shreveport is being nice and waiving their pet fee.

gstelmack · 09-01-2005, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

I think if someone has already taken the trouble to rescue their dog, cat, hamster, whatever... then the relief organizations could be just a little bit more accomodating.

How? What if their dog doesn't get along with other dogs? What if in the stressful conditions the dog bites somebody's kid? Have you ever TRIED keeping a cat from wandering around? What about other rescuees with allergies to the pets? Are you expecting the buses to stop twice as often to let the pets do their business?

It's not a simple equation.

JonInMiddleGA · 09-01-2005, 04:12 PM

Okay, somebody fill in the blanks for me (which, btw, is something I think we've done an outstanding job of here at FOFC this week - our combined numbers & different viewing / listening/reading habits cut a pretty wide swath across the media.). Anyway ...

I caught the end of a press conference with some guy in uniform (not sure if he was NG or RA or what), discussing the 24,000 (?) Guard troops due to arrive from various states over the next 3 days. What I think he was trying to explain, just before they cut away from him, was that each state's troops would remain under the direct control of their home state governor.

If I understood that right (and I may not have, that's why I'm asking) it sounds like a perfect model of inefficiency. I believe I know that the President can Federalize NG forces as needed under certain circumstances, but I'm assuming that if he did so, it would revert right back to limiting their ability to be deployed as was discussed a little bit earlier today. Right? Wrong? Anybody here a former HQ batallion staffer who can sort this out for me?

JonInMiddleGA · 09-01-2005, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack

How? What if their dog doesn't get along with other dogs? What if in the stressful conditions the dog bites somebody's kid? Have you ever TRIED keeping a cat from wandering around? What about other rescuees with allergies to the pets? Are you expecting the buses to stop twice as often to let the pets do their business?

It's not a simple equation.

I guarantee that there would have been an ample supply of pet crates delivered within 48 hours, you tag 'em, box 'em & move 'em, if not at the time then 2-3 days later. No matter what the conditions in the area, no matter what the transportation situation, I have zero doubt that enterprising pet people would have found a way to get it done. And they would have staffed any sort of "pet holding area" until hell froze over if need be.

cthomer5000 · 09-01-2005, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I guarantee that there would have been an ample supply of pet crates delivered within 48 hours, you tag 'em, box 'em & move 'em, if not at the time then 2-3 days later. No matter what the conditions in the area, no matter what the transportation situation, I have zero doubt that enterprising pet people would have found a way to get it done. And they would have staffed any sort of "pet holding area" until hell froze over if need be.

Ok, fine... but what does that have to do with the buses? I'm sure getting the people out has been the only focus of all operations.

There's a lot of serious shit going down, I have no problem forcing people to say goodbye to their dog.

JonInMiddleGA · 09-01-2005, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

There's a lot of serious shit going down, I have no problem forcing people to say goodbye to their dog.

Then we're very different people.

sterlingice · 09-01-2005, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I guarantee that there would have been an ample supply of pet crates delivered within 48 hours, you tag 'em, box 'em & move 'em, if not at the time then 2-3 days later. No matter what the conditions in the area, no matter what the transportation situation, I have zero doubt that enterprising pet people would have found a way to get it done. And they would have staffed any sort of "pet holding area" until hell froze over if need be.

Oh, c'mon. If your choice is "bring extra food" or "bring pet crates" to New Orleans using the limited ways into town, I hate to say it, but I'd rather the pets get left behind. And at this point, the issue really is "using the limited ways into town" and "limited space and people to hand stuff out"- that's not the crazy hyperbole it is in most situations (EDIT: or the "put people on the bus or allow pets in the aisle, etc")

EDIT2: This is provided you're talking about NO, not Lafayette or Baton Rogue or surrounding areas.

SI

WSUCougar · 09-01-2005, 04:22 PM

I think the use of the army (and thereby federalized NG units) by the President stems from a federal declaration of martial law, the suspension of habeus corpus, and whether Congress accedes to such a declaration. Lincoln did these things, of course.

cthomer5000 · 09-01-2005, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Then we're very different people.

It's opportunity cost. It's not worth spending time crating and feeding pets at the expense of getting people medication, getting people out of town, and rescuing those still in danger.

To me this is a no-brainer. We all love our pets, but I'd have no problem petting my dog goodbye and hopping on a bus if I genuinely felt my life was in danger.

sterlingice · 09-01-2005, 04:26 PM

Haha. Hastert said they should look at not rebuilding N.O. (at least in it's current situation) and while I think it's actually a viable question, now is probably not the time. The WWL people are understandably pissed.

SI

JonInMiddleGA · 09-01-2005, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

but I'd have no problem petting my dog goodbye and hopping on a bus if I genuinely felt my life was in danger.

Like I said, we're obviously different people.

To give you an example, our in-home fire plan has one of us getting our son out first, once he's safe, my wife & I are both in agreement that we get the pets out next, even if it means leaving each other to fend for ourself. It's been discussed over the years numerous times, we've always been in complete accord on that subject (which is pretty rare for us), and we both come down to the exact same place each time.

Each of the pets I've had over the past 15 years or so is as much family in my heart as anyone else. And higher on the list than the vast majority of the people I know (which would not bode well for all but less than a dozen people, relatives or otherwise).

CamEdwards · 09-01-2005, 04:32 PM

gotta side with cthomer on this one. pets are going to require food that could be given to refugees. hell, pets are going to be used as food for some people who can't get OUT of new orleans.

Wolfpack · 09-01-2005, 04:33 PM

And yet I'm sure you'd have no conscience when it comes to destroying wildlife habitats and eating KFC knowing (knowing, I tell you!) that PETA is screaming bloody murder about how the chickens are treated before death. Right? Hypocrite.

JonInMiddleGA · 09-01-2005, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfpack

And yet I'm sure you'd have no conscience when it comes to destroying wildlife habitats and eating KFC knowing (knowing, I tell you!) that PETA is screaming bloody murder about how the chickens are treated before death. Right? Hypocrite.

Yes, I know you're joking (and not a half-bad wisecrack IMO), but I'll kinda give a serious comment anyway: I believe there's a "contract" that's implied when you have a pet. I believe abandoning them violates that contract, which basically is that you accept responsibility for their care & well-being regardless of cost.

My wife actually made this comment earlier, but I'm pretty much in total agreement: if the choice was live & leave them or stay with them & die, then I'm dead. I couldn't, and moreso wouldn't choose to, live with knowing what I had done. Only the responsibility to our son & I imagine to our parents/grandparents outweighs the responsibility we feel toward the pets.

capsicum · 09-01-2005, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Farrah Whitworth-Rahn

Me too. I couldn't do it. My pets are family.

On a lighter note...Me 3!

For a smile just picture me commandeering a bus for my 3 kids, multiple horses,gaggle of geese and ducks, multitude of cats,ferrets,fish,3 dogs,iguanna,and our 2,500 pound bull named "Herman" that I bottle fed until he was 8 months old..... cause it'd break my heart to leave anyone of them behind...oh ..and of course I'd bring you too honey

WSUCougar · 09-01-2005, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

My wife actually made this comment earlier, but I'm pretty much in total agreement: if the choice was live & leave them or stay with them & die, then I'm dead. I couldn't, and moreso wouldn't choose to, live with knowing what I had done. Only the responsibility to our son & I imagine to our parents/grandparents outweighs the responsibility we feel toward the pets.

Which is fine, of course, if that's the choice you want to make. But the expectation that rescue workers should allow pets on buses is (IMO) beyond reason.

Klinglerware · 09-01-2005, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfpack

And yet I'm sure you'd have no conscience when it comes to destroying wildlife habitats and eating KFC knowing (knowing, I tell you!) that PETA is screaming bloody murder about how the chickens are treated before death. Right? Hypocrite.

Just train those pets to start looting. Jon's head explodes. Equilibrium restored.

Wolfpack · 09-01-2005, 04:42 PM

FWIW, I understand. Pets can be so much a part of family that it'd be hard to picture life without them (the cats we have were our "kids" before we finally had our daughter). I'm not sure I, myself, would simply accept death to die with them, though, and I think that's what others have said. Obviously, what I say now and what I do in an actual emergent situation could be two different things and I hope to never find out the answer.

JonInMiddleGA · 09-01-2005, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Klinglerware

Just train those pets to start looting. Jon's head explodes. Equilibrium restored.

Nah, that one is easy -- once they turn to looting, they've violated the terms of the social contract & I'm all about three shots to center mass.

Franklinnoble · 09-01-2005, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by capsicum

On a lighter note...Me 3!

For a smile just picture me commandeering a bus for my 3 kids, multiple horses,gaggle of geese and ducks, multitude of cats,ferrets,fish,3 dogs,iguanna,and our 2,500 pound bull named "Herman" that I bottle fed until he was 8 months old..... cause it'd break my heart to leave anyone of them behind...oh ..and of course I'd bring you too honey

On that bus? I might decide to stay at home and, err, protect the house from looters... yeah.

JonInMiddleGA · 09-01-2005, 04:45 PM

From radioandrecords.com

BroadcastUnity Day Set For Sept. 9 By NAB

The NAB has designated Friday, Sept. 9 as "BroadcastUnity Day," when local radio and TV station talent will "roadblock" specific times of the day for fundraising relief efforts, telephone banks, radiothons and telethons. "Broadcasters are a lifeline to communities in times of crisis, and Hurricane Katrina has touched America's soul like no natural disaster in our history," NAB President/CEO Eddie Fritts said. A national target of $100 million in donations has been set, and Fritts expressed confidence that goal would be exceeded. A $1 million cash donation from the NAB to the American Red Cross has already been made.

edit to add: This is just a partial list, just some of the bigger ones:
* Infinity parent Viacom is donating $1 million to the American Red Cross Disaster Relief Effort.
* Citadel stations in 48 markets have raised hundreds of thousands of dollars in relief funds for Katrina victims and have donated much-needed water that is already enroute to the Baton Rouge area from several points, including Colorado Springs, CO; Lansing, MI; and Knoxville. The company plans to continue fund-raising efforts through Labor Day weekend and throughout all of next week.
* KHKS/Dallas-based syndicated morning host Kidd Kraddick yesterday postponed the kick-off of his annual "Kidd's Kids" charity campaign to move into hurricane relief mode across his network of 37 affiliates. As of this morning, exactly $270,147.35 has been raised.
* Veteran WRQX (Mix 107.3)/Washington morning host Jack Diamond has singlehandedly raised more than $200,000 from listeners by holding a "pay for play" benefit. The feat was made in just six hours this morning. The top bid: A local realtor pledged $10,000 and requested the Moody Blues' "Nights In White Satin." The American Red Cross is the beneficiary, and donations will be accepted throughout the Labor Day holiday weekend.
* Entercom's Norfolk stations yesterday raised $250,000 for Hurricane Katrina relief. The money will be donated to the Red Cross. More money is arriving at the stations today, cluster Marketing & Promotions Director Chris Wilson tells R&R.

I remember Radio Relief, the large-scale benefit in the wake of Andrew, that was easily the most cooperative the Atlanta radio community ever was before or since. Virtually every station in the market, large & small, gathered in the Cumberland Mall parking lot, people interviewing other stations talent on air, it was an amazing feat to pull off & was, as I recall, a pretty effective fund-raiser.(anyone who isn't amazed by that underestimates the level of animosity that exists between some stations)

Honolulu_Blue · 09-01-2005, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Then we're very different people.

I'm with Jon on this one.

Farrah Whitworth-Rahn · 09-01-2005, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CamEdwards

gotta side with cthomer on this one. pets are going to require food that could be given to refugees. hell, pets are going to be used as food for some people who can't get OUT of new orleans.

Naw, I'd eat the fat people first.

capsicum · 09-01-2005, 04:47 PM

Im sure before I made it 5 miles someone would have grafitied Noahs Ark on the side ...

Klinglerware · 09-01-2005, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Farrah Whitworth-Rahn

Naw, I'd eat the fat people first.

Tender meat. Yum!

JeeberD · 09-01-2005, 05:02 PM

Some folks after Jon's own heart...

Radii · 09-01-2005, 05:28 PM

That brings up a question my wife asked me before we were married, the old "if your house is burning down, do you save the pets or the family picture album, assuming you can only save one thing."

She said the pictures, I said the pets. We were both suprised at the other's answer b/c we thought it was so obvious.

cody8200 · 09-01-2005, 05:33 PM

This blogger is watching first hand what is happening in New Orleans. It sounds ridiculously horrible. He mentions rapes, rapes/murders, and in general-brutality. I'm sorry if its been posted but its a really horrible yet eye opening read.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/

I got the link from the dubious quality blog.

dawgfan · 09-01-2005, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cody8200

This blogger is watching first hand what is happening in New Orleans. It sounds ridiculously horrible. He mentions rapes, rapes/murders, and in general-brutality. I'm sorry if its been posted but its a really horrible yet eye opening read.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/

I got the link from the dubious quality blog.

I brought this up in the looting thread, but is there any reason to trust what this "interdictor" guy is posting as true and not heresay, or worse yet simply made up?

09-01-2005, 03:36 PM	#904
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Airdrops would create an even worse situation than already exists, or at least a more dangerous one, especially for those who need them most. I am starting to get the feeling that the tug-of-war for power behind the scenes is MUCH bigger than even a skeptic like me might have imagined. What's unfolding is starting to smell to me like a case where everytime someone says "why don't we do XYZ", three other people say "no, you can't do that because QRS". So, anybody here a savvy enough legal mind to spell out who has jurisdiction over what in a situation like this? I'm happy to admit that this would be about 3 large layers over my head minimum when it comes to figuring that out. Is it as simple (and inefficient) as everybody being in charges of their own resources but there's no single point of command that isn't a glorified committee? __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

09-01-2005, 03:40 PM	#906
GoldenEagle Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Little Rock, AR	The destruction of the casinos in Mississippi is amazing. I am not going to clutter this thread with pictures, but if you want to take a look I provided a link below. It is from the Memphis Tigers message board, so it is safe for all. http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/memphi...&f=10&t=33277& __________________ Xbox 360 Gamer Tag: GoldenEagle014

09-01-2005, 03:46 PM	#908
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	In a lot of ways I think it simply boils down to a general disdain for doing what is really necessary, as opposed to doing what is affordable when it comes to such things. It's a "pay me now or pay me later" thing, with Mother Nature Incorporated on the invoice. Too often the price-tag on appropriate safety measures (or whatever) is prohibitive; people see the price tag and shrink away. Only the tragic bite of reality makes people realize the error of their ways. __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

09-01-2005, 03:55 PM	#912
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	The rental agent for those apartments in Shreveport was very nice to me early today on the phone. She just called me to tell her that her boss (before she could even ask her boss) has just told her to waive the animal fee that was required on the executive apartments that we will be staying in starting in early-mid September. That is a 1200 dollar (300 dollars per pet is their standard fee) savings to us since we have 4 pets. It is just nice to see people do decent things and I'm quite thankful to her and her boss __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

09-01-2005, 03:59 PM	#915
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	And I think I'm as distressed by anything all week by the news that they're forcing people to abandon their pets before boarding the buses. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

09-01-2005, 03:36 PM	#903
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	sorry, i should have mentioned that the "this is not my america" line was something i snagged off one of those viewer e-mails that was a lot more venemous then i wanted to post here, didn't want to turn this thread partisan. but it's how i feel pretty much, i mean how can we not be doing more to help these people. How does the mayor have to come onto CNN and issue a desperate SOS saying "we are running out of supplies and buses. we have nothing. help us." what's up with THAT?? If we can't even get the legitmate authorities supplies etc., then how well prepared were we? And all I'm saying is we should have been a hell of a lot better prepared.

09-01-2005, 03:49 PM	#909
Farrah Whitworth-Rahn Red-Headed Vixen Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ	I know y'all were really worried....but Britney Spears and her family made it through Hurricane Katrina safely. http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/art...ritney-ON.html

09-01-2005, 04:01 PM	#916
Wolfpack Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Raleigh, NC	The other great headache that's been induced is the fact that there is a very limited ability to get into and out of New Orleans right now (only I-10 west, right?). I'm fairly certain most of FEMA's disaster coping abilities can better handle more traditional locations (the recent spate of hurricanes in Florida, for example...how much complaining was there against FEMA for all those storms?). However, New Orleans is so unique geographically, I'm not sure FEMA (or any other agency at any level) could truly have been able to figure out what the best way to cope with what has happened. You can gameplan and drill all you want, but this situation is so unique I would wager that until it actually happened, nobody anywhere could truly appreciate how bad it was going to get. Sure, there were papers written about such scenarios, but it's another thing to actually have it happen and react to it. Just as in the military, planning never survives contact with the enemy (in this case a natural disaster and its aftermath).

09-01-2005, 04:12 PM	#924
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Okay, somebody fill in the blanks for me (which, btw, is something I think we've done an outstanding job of here at FOFC this week - our combined numbers & different viewing / listening/reading habits cut a pretty wide swath across the media.). Anyway ... I caught the end of a press conference with some guy in uniform (not sure if he was NG or RA or what), discussing the 24,000 (?) Guard troops due to arrive from various states over the next 3 days. What I think he was trying to explain, just before they cut away from him, was that each state's troops would remain under the direct control of their home state governor. If I understood that right (and I may not have, that's why I'm asking) it sounds like a perfect model of inefficiency. I believe I know that the President can Federalize NG forces as needed under certain circumstances, but I'm assuming that if he did so, it would revert right back to limiting their ability to be deployed as was discussed a little bit earlier today. Right? Wrong? Anybody here a former HQ batallion staffer who can sort this out for me? __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

09-01-2005, 04:22 PM	#929
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	I think the use of the army (and thereby federalized NG units) by the President stems from a federal declaration of martial law, the suspension of habeus corpus, and whether Congress accedes to such a declaration. Lincoln did these things, of course. __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

09-01-2005, 04:26 PM	#931
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Haha. Hastert said they should look at not rebuilding N.O. (at least in it's current situation) and while I think it's actually a viable question, now is probably not the time. The WWL people are understandably pissed. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

09-01-2005, 04:32 PM	#933
CamEdwards Stadium Announcer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Burke, VA	gotta side with cthomer on this one. pets are going to require food that could be given to refugees. hell, pets are going to be used as food for some people who can't get OUT of new orleans. __________________ I don't want the world. I just want your half.

09-01-2005, 04:33 PM	#934
Wolfpack Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Raleigh, NC	And yet I'm sure you'd have no conscience when it comes to destroying wildlife habitats and eating KFC knowing (knowing, I tell you!) that PETA is screaming bloody murder about how the chickens are treated before death. Right? Hypocrite.

09-01-2005, 04:42 PM	#939
Wolfpack Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Raleigh, NC	FWIW, I understand. Pets can be so much a part of family that it'd be hard to picture life without them (the cats we have were our "kids" before we finally had our daughter). I'm not sure I, myself, would simply accept death to die with them, though, and I think that's what others have said. Obviously, what I say now and what I do in an actual emergent situation could be two different things and I hope to never find out the answer.

09-01-2005, 04:45 PM	#942
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	From radioandrecords.com BroadcastUnity Day Set For Sept. 9 By NAB The NAB has designated Friday, Sept. 9 as "BroadcastUnity Day," when local radio and TV station talent will "roadblock" specific times of the day for fundraising relief efforts, telephone banks, radiothons and telethons. "Broadcasters are a lifeline to communities in times of crisis, and Hurricane Katrina has touched America's soul like no natural disaster in our history," NAB President/CEO Eddie Fritts said. A national target of $100 million in donations has been set, and Fritts expressed confidence that goal would be exceeded. A $1 million cash donation from the NAB to the American Red Cross has already been made. edit to add: This is just a partial list, just some of the bigger ones: * Infinity parent Viacom is donating $1 million to the American Red Cross Disaster Relief Effort. * Citadel stations in 48 markets have raised hundreds of thousands of dollars in relief funds for Katrina victims and have donated much-needed water that is already enroute to the Baton Rouge area from several points, including Colorado Springs, CO; Lansing, MI; and Knoxville. The company plans to continue fund-raising efforts through Labor Day weekend and throughout all of next week. * KHKS/Dallas-based syndicated morning host Kidd Kraddick yesterday postponed the kick-off of his annual "Kidd's Kids" charity campaign to move into hurricane relief mode across his network of 37 affiliates. As of this morning, exactly $270,147.35 has been raised. * Veteran WRQX (Mix 107.3)/Washington morning host Jack Diamond has singlehandedly raised more than $200,000 from listeners by holding a "pay for play" benefit. The feat was made in just six hours this morning. The top bid: A local realtor pledged $10,000 and requested the Moody Blues' "Nights In White Satin." The American Red Cross is the beneficiary, and donations will be accepted throughout the Labor Day holiday weekend. * Entercom's Norfolk stations yesterday raised $250,000 for Hurricane Katrina relief. The money will be donated to the Red Cross. More money is arriving at the stations today, cluster Marketing & Promotions Director Chris Wilson tells R&R. I remember Radio Relief, the large-scale benefit in the wake of Andrew, that was easily the most cooperative the Atlanta radio community ever was before or since. Virtually every station in the market, large & small, gathered in the Cumberland Mall parking lot, people interviewing other stations talent on air, it was an amazing feat to pull off & was, as I recall, a pretty effective fund-raiser.(anyone who isn't amazed by that underestimates the level of animosity that exists between some stations) __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis Last edited by JonInMiddleGA : 09-01-2005 at 05:14 PM.

09-01-2005, 04:47 PM	#945
capsicum Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: w/Franklin	Im sure before I made it 5 miles someone would have grafitied Noahs Ark on the side ...

09-01-2005, 05:02 PM	#947
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Some folks after Jon's own heart... __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO Last edited by JeeberD : 09-01-2005 at 05:03 PM.

09-01-2005, 05:28 PM	#948
Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	That brings up a question my wife asked me before we were married, the old "if your house is burning down, do you save the pets or the family picture album, assuming you can only save one thing." She said the pictures, I said the pets. We were both suprised at the other's answer b/c we thought it was so obvious.

09-01-2005, 05:33 PM	#949
cody8200 High School Varsity Join Date: Nov 2000	This blogger is watching first hand what is happening in New Orleans. It sounds ridiculously horrible. He mentions rapes, rapes/murders, and in general-brutality. I'm sorry if its been posted but its a really horrible yet eye opening read. http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/ I got the link from the dubious quality blog.

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