WW LXXIV Killer Kittens on Mount FujiMori day (GAME OVER- KITTENS WIN)

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I believe PurdueBrad is lying.

Originally Posted by Lathum

why, are you a wolf?

I wonder if this is what CW is thinking about.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I wonder if this is what CW is thinking about.

That'd be a big part of it there.

[Coffee Warlord]

Yay, hoops is on. I really wanna hear what he has to say about all of this.

[Coffee Warlord]

And I get the triple dola, for a retraction.

Upon reading the earlier posts by Lathum, I'm inclined to believe him.

[Lathum]

CW, thats pretty weak if its all you have.

[Lathum]

well it sounds like McCollins has something.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by Lathum

CW, thats pretty weak if its all you have.

It's irrelevant now. I went back earlier during the weekend to formulate a more detailed analysis, and I'm of the opinion that your claims mesh real well with your posts and your demeanor there. I simply didn't look back far enough originally. Laziness on my part.

[hoopsguy]

I did not hint that I was the fool. I said pretty clearly on Day 1 that if you lynched me that you would learn that I was a normal kittah. I sait that when I knew I wouldn't be around for the deadline and was worried about being sniped.

I pulled out PB's stuff because mccollins suggested that no one would have seen it if I didn't comment on it. I bolded the stuff in the post that was clear to me. I thought it was a very transparent attempt by PB, when he had votes on him emerging, to make a fake reveal.

I then asked him why he would make the seer claim on Day 2 when he didn't make it on Day 1. Generally when a seer is about to get lynched in WW they scream at the top of their lungs, "DON'T KILL ME - I'M THE FRIGGING SEER!!!!". But that didn't happen.

I then asked PB about this - he responded with posts where he had dropped hints. However, none of these transpired near the Day 1 deadline, despite the fact that he was in the thread. This made me pretty confident that his reveal was BS.

I'm not the fool, I'm not the seer. To the best of my knowledge, I have no role in this game.

Now, if there are any other questions about my actions over the last 12 or so hours, please fire away.


Oh, and looks like terrific results today. Got a key wolf role, no night kill. So far we've only had one bad result (one night kill) in two days of play. I would say that we are looking good in pre-season.

[RendeR]

Lathum has us rights wheres he wants us...

J/K =) I'm always nervous when people start trusting Lathum.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

These are tidbits from Day 2 from my boy.

I see a classic 'soft', non-combative reasoning, that is trying to give the illusion of some valid reasoning to vote someone. He states he wants to believe PB, but isn't satisfied and basically doesn't trust the reveal. Moving further down, he then basically pulls a 180 and apparently DOES believe PB, believing cronin to be good and quite concerned about the run on him.

There's just a lot of indecisive fluff there. It's the kind of non-combative stuff that you use when you want to appear to be involved in the conversation, but really aren't offering much of anything. Add that to what happeend on Day 1, and I firmly believe I'm on the right track.

Okay, I'm finally caught up though I'm still having intermittent problems with the forum.

This was the only post that irked me enough to actually reply to it.

Coffee Warlord, again, this is the first time we've played WW together and you don't know me. In all of life I'm a non-combative person who seeks to diffuse tension. In my first couple of games I would throw an idea out there and Lathum or Cronin (for example) would come after me. Let's just say that I've changed how I play slightly in each game so far.

Anways, on to teh xpluhnationz.

[mccollins]

Oh and another thing I noticed after reading through all of the day's posts just now.

Some might want to take another look at the rules because the difference in light/dark auras and cats/dogs can be confusing.

[mccollins]

Ok, I don't know how much I can say because I don't have a PM yet since the forum wasn't working for me. Claphamsa gave me the basics over IM.

The bodyguard was irrelevant last night because the dogs tried to nightkill me. However, I now know (I did not know at the start of the game) that I am the LolCat and the Lolcat is invincible, but I think that only refers to night kills.

I have secret power(s) that I will disclose at a later time as needed.

[jeheinz72]

What are your win conditions mccollins?

[KWhit]

Secret powers and invincible? Wow, mccollins, you're quite the stud.

[Coffee Warlord]

Well ain't I just smack dab in the middle of a dilema.

[Passacaglia]

So what does that have to do with the difference between light and dark auras, and dogs and cats? The LOLCAT doesn't really say what kind of aura it has.

[Passacaglia]

And why are you revealing this now?

[Passacaglia]

My bad, the LOLCAT is a light aura.

[jeheinz72]

I get the feeling that I'm going to end up as the lowest common denominator here.

[st.cronin]

Assuming that's true, I wonder why the dogs would attack mccollins?

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Assuming that's true, I wonder why the dogs would attack mccollins?

And you just hit on what I'm trying to explain myself.

The only reason I've hit on thus far is somehow trying to implicate me, as I think we're all in agreement I've been spearheading the push on him. But even then, I think I could have drummed up enough support to get him lynched today. Where's the incentive to gun for him?

[hoopsguy]

I've seen roles that have some elements of what mccollins is describing. Saldana had one in his Star Wars game that could not be night-killed, and I think it made a return appearance in NTN's crazy game. I had Lathum get an emerging, powerful role in my Necro game. So I can see happening and will be even more inclined to agree with him if no one challenges his version of events for the night action.

Also, I 100% believe Lathum's claim as it is consistent with his Day 2 posts.

So we are starting to have good roles emerge:
1.) Cronin (stray)
2.) Lathum (fool)
3.) Mccollins (LOLcat)

I would think that my COT starts right around here.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

I get the feeling that I'm going to end up as the lowest common denominator here.

I doubt it. 72 is very rarely a lowest common denominator. If you split your numbers, I can see 2 being the LCD, but that leaves 7, which is a bit of a stretch.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

What are your win conditions mccollins?

I presume, as a cat, that I win when the cats win. I will clarify this once I get a full PM from claphamsa.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

And you just hit on what I'm trying to explain myself.

The only reason I've hit on thus far is somehow trying to implicate me, as I think we're all in agreement I've been spearheading the push on him. But even then, I think I could have drummed up enough support to get him lynched today. Where's the incentive to gun for him?

You had my backing on mccollins, but I was looking at heinz much more.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I doubt it. 72 is very rarely a lowest common denominator. If you split your numbers, I can see 2 being the LCD, but that leaves 7, which is a bit of a stretch.

Ha, good one.

I meant more like people thinking "Well gee, we can't lynch Lathum, Cronin or Collins, eh, let's just lynch Heinz"

[st.cronin]

I wonder if they thought he was the bodyguard.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I've seen roles that have some elements of what mccollins is describing. Saldana had one in his Star Wars game that could not be night-killed, and I think it made a return appearance in NTN's crazy game. I had Lathum get an emerging, powerful role in my Necro game. So I can see happening and will be even more inclined to agree with him if no one challenges his version of events for the night action.

Also, I 100% believe Lathum's claim as it is consistent with his Day 2 posts.

So we are starting to have good roles emerge:
1.) Cronin (stray)
2.) Lathum (fool)
3.) Mccollins (LOLcat)

I would think that my COT starts right around here.

Last game, neither of the Kings could be night-killed, either.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Ha, good one.

I meant more like people thinking "Well gee, we can't lynch Lathum, Cronin or Collins, eh, let's just lynch Heinz"

Plus there's the fact that all those wolves have you on their suspect list.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Plus there's the fact that all those wolves have you on their suspect list.

I don't really think ALL of the wolves have me, but I think it's a pretty reasonable wolf strategy to see a name of a villager pop up on another villager's suspect list and to then propagate suspicion on that person.

Granted, I have played far from a stellar game thus far, but something such as that is pretty much out of How To Be a Wolf 101.

I'd be downright shocked if none of the people's whose list I made are wolves.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I did not hint that I was the fool. I said pretty clearly on Day 1 that if you lynched me that you would learn that I was a normal kittah. I sait that when I knew I wouldn't be around for the deadline and was worried about being sniped.

I pulled out PB's stuff because mccollins suggested that no one would have seen it if I didn't comment on it. I bolded the stuff in the post that was clear to me. I thought it was a very transparent attempt by PB, when he had votes on him emerging, to make a fake reveal.

I then asked him why he would make the seer claim on Day 2 when he didn't make it on Day 1. Generally when a seer is about to get lynched in WW they scream at the top of their lungs, "DON'T KILL ME - I'M THE FRIGGING SEER!!!!". But that didn't happen.

I then asked PB about this - he responded with posts where he had dropped hints. However, none of these transpired near the Day 1 deadline, despite the fact that he was in the thread. This made me pretty confident that his reveal was BS.

I'm not the fool, I'm not the seer. To the best of my knowledge, I have no role in this game.

Now, if there are any other questions about my actions over the last 12 or so hours, please fire away.


Oh, and looks like terrific results today. Got a key wolf role, no night kill. So far we've only had one bad result (one night kill) in two days of play. I would say that we are looking good in pre-season.

hoops, i still don't get it -- why does him not revealing on Day 1, instead waiting until Day 2, make it more likely he was a wolf?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Assuming that's true, I wonder why the dogs would attack mccollins?

i was wondering that also.

why night kill someone who will probably be on the chopping block anyway

[jeheinz72]

But hey, I likely deserve to get lynched. Even I have to admit, it ain't lookin' to purty.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Assuming that's true, I wonder why the dogs would attack mccollins?

The first thing I said to claphamsa when they nightkilled me was "Why did they do that? There are already villagers rallying around with suspicion on me. Shouldn't they let them kill me?"

After reading through things, I was prepared to lay off Coffee Warlord and call a truce, but I can't help but (somewhat sarcastically) suggest that he attempted to do during the night what he couldn't rally support to do during the day.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

You had my backing on mccollins, but I was looking at heinz much more.

Right, but that's kind of my point. I got the impression I could have gotten enough people to go along with me on killing mccollins today. I find it hard to believe the wolves didn't see the same writing on the wall. You don't usually night kill someone who is likely going to be competing for a lynch vote.

Which is why I'm kind of curious as to why the wolves would go after mcollins.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I wonder if they thought he was the bodyguard.

What would have given them this idea?

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

But hey, I likely deserve to get lynched. Even I have to admit, it ain't lookin' to purty.

if its any consolation I don't really suspect you much at all this game.

[jeheinz72]

I'd have to echo that I'm shocked collins was the night kill. It makes no sense. Heck, I was all prepared to vote for him today, just to get my self-defense going early.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by RendeR

if its any consolation I don't really suspect you much at all this game.

By any chance do you have a dozen or so friends who will vote with you?

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

By any chance do you have a dozen or so friends who will vote with you?

Dude, every cat has 9 lives you only need me

[Lathum]

wasn't McCollins on the block day 1 also, you would think he would have revealed then

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by Lathum

wasn't McCollins on the block day 1 also, you would think he would have revealed then

Nah, it was hoops, cronin, and PB on day 1.

And according to the rules, the LOLcat may not have known what they were to begin with. And still might not know, if Mc is lying.

[st.cronin]

Heinz, who are your top suspects and why?

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Lathum

wasn't McCollins on the block day 1 also, you would think he would have revealed then

As I understand it, I only found out that I am the Lolcat because I was nightkilled. My initial PM told me I was a regular kitten.

[st.cronin]

I kind of believe mccollins, but if the seer feels like scanning him, I don't think that would be a terrible idea.

[Passacaglia]

mccollins, can you explain your late vote switch Day 1 again?

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

mccollins, can you explain your late vote switch Day 1 again?

I hate day 1 voting for random people. As we approached deadline, I didn't think any of the leading parties were dogs and I didn't want to vote for any of them. The only person who had aroused my suspicion was CW so I voted for him because it was a vote I could live with.

As I said at the time, I was hoping to make my move early enough (~10 minutes before dealine) to allow other people to make whatever moves they felt they needed.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Heinz, who are your top suspects and why?

My top suspect is probably EagleFan. I just have had a wolf ping for awhile now and his somewhat strange behavior during Day 2 just confirmed it (hence my vote for him in between my votes for you and PB). Just the way his reasoning seemed contrived in a lot of cases. Like he called my Day One switch late, when it was hardly late at all. I *talked* about making a late switch, but I never actually did it.

A close #2 on the hit list would be olie. Her group of 4 was me, Lathum, PB and Collins. And while it appears she was on the mark of course with PB, she was equally off it with Lathum and Mccollins. I think she just wanted me, Lathum and collins outta here and figured PB was a dead duck sooner or later anyways, and including him would strengthen her case.

Additionally, her whole response to me on why I was in that group didn't add up. First it was because we all voted together. Then she is on me because I guaranteed the tie (we've been over that multiple people meant to but didn't), Then she admitted I was correct when I said I was the 1st voter (on you) and goes back to how I was in this group of voters again. Plus she fits my personal pet theory of a wolf putting me on a subsequent list to propagate suspicion on me (granted, I've helped in that respect more than enough myself)

I have minor concerns about CW. Part of me thinks that one reason he might try to night kill mccollins instead of get him lynched is that if he leads the charge on getting him lynched he's going to look bad for it. Whereas if he's night killed before that he can play the "Why would I night kill him" card.

Then there is the bevy of quiet and/or inexperienced players that I don't have much read on: dangarion, Jackal, Seolian, Chief Rum

That help?

[Passacaglia]

Then why did you have your vote on cronin in the first place?

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Then why did you have your vote on cronin in the first place?

I stand by my reasoning and thought process at the moment of my initial vote:

Originally Posted by mccollins

I think Cronin has made that same argument in every game I've played with him. Kinda crazy to go against it so obviously.