COVID-19 - Wuhan Coronavirus (a non-political thread, see pg. 36 #1778)

[Edward64]

Hospitals rejecting transplant patient if they (and donor) do not get vaccinated. Video didn't play for me so not sure if I have the full context.

Overall, I'm okay with this. I can see the rationale because transplant kidney is valuable so give it to someone else who is willing to (1) trust science and (2) shows some responsibility for wanting to take care of him/herself.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/20...id-vaccine.cnn

A patient in dire need of a kidney transplant was told that if she and her donor refuse the Covid vaccine, she will be denied the procedure. Dr. Sanjay Gupta explains that vaccines help survival rates.

[GrantDawg]

One of my gaming friends is in the hospital right now recovering from Covid. He was a kidney transplant recipient a few years ago, and was encouraged to get a vaccine vut refused. Spent a week on a ventilator and is very lucky not to be dead.

[albionmoonlight]

Southwest Airlines with massive delays. Strong indication that it is a "sickout" by employees against the vaccine mandate.

So the workers finally discover they have power, and they use it for such a stupid reason.

[albionmoonlight]

dola:

Not sure when the firing date is for employees who aren't vaxxed.

If the Southwest people are like other MAGA, 99% of them will fold when forced to actually suffer a consequence for their position. But, like other MAGA, they are going to make life really annoying for everyone else before they do.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Southwest Airlines with massive delays. Strong indication that it is a "sickout" by employees against the vaccine mandate.

So the workers finally discover they have power, and they use it for such a stupid reason.

Airline workers are governed by the NRLB; they can only strike if it's approved (another republican gift), and any sort of coordinated "sick out" or anything that is even hinted at by the union can land union leadership in jail. So...the only thing they can do is just call in sick on their own. It's virtually nothing in terms of leverage.

[Edward64]

Lots of polls/charts on whether parents will let kids be vaccinated. If I had a kid, I would probably fall under the maybe category for now. Don't need my kid to be an early adopter but probably in 3-4 months.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/childre...-opinion-poll/
(can't insert the poll for whatever reason but vaccinated & unvaccinated parents are 26-27% maybe for kids)

On reasons why not yet vaccinated

[RainMaker]

Eh, most of those reasons change when it's convenient. Fealty to Trump/party should be on the list of reasons as it is by far the most popular.

[PilotMan]

That poll has some completely fucked data.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Southwest Airlines with massive delays. Strong indication that it is a "sickout" by employees against the vaccine mandate.

So the workers finally discover they have power, and they use it for such a stupid reason.

There is a weird thing in this country where a business is run poorly and we blame everyone else but the business for it being poorly run.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Eh, most of those reasons change when it's convenient. Fealty to Trump/party should be on the list of reasons as it is by far the most popular.

Yeah - I think at this point we know that the vaccine hesitancy and Trump Venn diagrams are not perfectly a circle but they're not the far away either.

SI

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Lots of polls/charts on whether parents will let kids be vaccinated. If I had a kid, I would probably fall under the maybe category for now. Don't need my kid to be an early adopter but probably in 3-4 months.

My kid's getting the shot as soon as available. If this follows a pattern similar to last year (not guaranteed at all), we're going to go into a lull for the next month or two and then start climbing again.

There's increasing evidence about significant increases in a lot of long term effects in kids, in particular, type 1 diabetes.

SI

[ISiddiqui]

Same. My son is 16 months old and as soon as he can get the shot, we'll get in line.

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[molson]

6.56 billion COVID vaccine shots have been given at this point, I'm definitely more concerned about anything I order at a restaurant than getting a shot. Hopefully I can get my Pfizer booster soon, a lot of people around me are now.

[Arles]

We got caught in the Southwest vortex on Sunday (had our San Fran - Phoenix flight cancelled). We switched to a monday flight (that also got cancelled) and settled on an American flight that got delayed from 2:15 to 6:30 (finally got home at 8:15 last night).

We talked with a bunch of people during this and here's what I can discern:

1. Southwest has been massively overbooking flights to staff and then consolidating/cancelling flights as they get closer to the date. As one guy said, imagine you have 12 flights from LAX to Phoenix. They only have the staff for 8 so they cut down to 8 flights and move people in the other four to those flights. In most cases, this means you go from leaving at 4 PM to leaving at 3:30 or 5:00 PM.
2. Some people (seems like in the southeast) called in sick over the weekend knowing it would screw the airline. Some say it's people that won't get Vaxed and want to use their sicktime before the mandated date (when they lose it if they are let go).
3. This weekend was an extremely busy weekend for fliers. Between fall break and Columbus day, a lot of people ended up flying.

So, if you add it all up, you had nearly all of the "overbooked" flights full, fewer people because of the sick call outs, your normal weather issues and a ton of people trying to fly. That equated a shit show for those of us traveling (esp using Southwest).

[JPhillips]

There should be regulations against airlines booking flights and cancelling them or moving them later without some sort of FAA approved delay. We got moved three times on a flight from JAX to LAG and none of them had anything to do with weather or mechanical problems.

[Atocep]

Multiple sources with direct knowledge of Irving’s decision have told The Athletic that Irving is not anti-vaccine and that his stance is that he is upset that people are losing their jobs due to vaccine mandates. It’s a stance that Irving has explained to close teammates. To him, this is about a grander fight than the one on the court and Irving is challenging a perceived control of society and people’s livelihood, according to sources with knowledge of Irving’s mindset. It is a decision that he believes he is capable to make given his current life dynamics. “Kyrie wants to be a voice for the voiceless,” one source said.

From the news breaking that Kyrie won't play until vaccinated. He continues to show he's nothing more than a professional contrarian. And does he really think the anti-vaxxers and those against the mandates are the voiceless? They're loudest people in our society right now.

[Lathum]

He's a fucking idiot

[JPhillips]

With all the other anti-science cuckoo beliefs Kyrie holds, we're really supposed to also believe he isn't anti-vax? I guess kudos to his publicity team for this story.

[21C]

Australia started our vaccination program quite late - mainly because infection rates were quite low and it wasn't deemed as a pressing need. Progress was fairly slow until around June-July of this year when infections spiked in Sydney and lockdowns returned. Many of the vaccines were diverted to Sydney and its state of NSW (New South Wales). Lockdown measures are only now being relaxed in NSW primarily for those that are double-vaxxed - we have only used vaccines that required two doses. Much of the rest of the country has avoided outbreaks due to hard borders between certain states. Melbourne and its state of Victoria are now experiencing a major outbreak.

As a result of vaccine requirements needed for the easing of restrictions, NSW has achieved a rate of 90.8% of people over the age of 16 (children over the age of 12 are eligible) having received at least one dose and 75.2% receiving both doses.

Across Australia, the figures are 82.8% (1 dose) and 63.4% (2 doses).

We are expecting an uptick in cases but hopefully a reduction in cases requiring hospitalization.

Singapore has been spoken about as a model for us since its population (5.6M) is similar to NSW (8.1M). They achieved 80% double vaccination and reduced restrictions. Unfortunately they are seeing a rise in Covid deaths so we will see how it pans out for us.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by Atocep

From the news breaking that Kyrie won't play until vaccinated. He continues to show he's nothing more than a professional contrarian. And does he really think the anti-vaxxers and those against the mandates are the voiceless? They're loudest people in our society right now.

See what happens when we ask for more than "It's a personal choice."?

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by 21C

Australia started our vaccination program quite late - mainly because infection rates were quite low and it wasn't deemed as a pressing need. Progress was fairly slow until around June-July of this year when infections spiked in Sydney and lockdowns returned. Many of the vaccines were diverted to Sydney and its state of NSW (New South Wales). Lockdown measures are only now being relaxed in NSW primarily for those that are double-vaxxed - we have only used vaccines that required two doses. Much of the rest of the country has avoided outbreaks due to hard borders between certain states. Melbourne and its state of Victoria are now experiencing a major outbreak.

As a result of vaccine requirements needed for the easing of restrictions, NSW has achieved a rate of 90.8% of people over the age of 16 (children over the age of 12 are eligible) having received at least one dose and 75.2% receiving both doses.

Across Australia, the figures are 82.8% (1 dose) and 63.4% (2 doses).

We are expecting an uptick in cases but hopefully a reduction in cases requiring hospitalization.

Singapore has been spoken about as a model for us since its population (5.6M) is similar to NSW (8.1M). They achieved 80% double vaccination and reduced restrictions. Unfortunately they are seeing a rise in Covid deaths so we will see how it pans out for us.

I read about Singapore and thought maybe they had the Tier-2 vaccines like the Sino ones. They did use them early on but they are now on the Pfizer & Moderna.

Yeah, they are still struggling but wonder if they (and Australia) had unrealistic expectations. I think its inevitable that there will be elevated deaths ... the question is how much is okay. I don't know what is acceptable but this is the new normal.

It'll be an interesting "experiment" in Australia to see how well you guys handle this.

[JPhillips]

Can we somehow alter time so that I can see what Jordan would do if Pippen refused to be vaccinated?

[Edward64]

Never really thought much about TSA but guess the 40% lines up with national average. I do hope the customer facing ones have been vaccinated and that policy has been in place for a while.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/13/polit...ine/index.html

The Transportation Security Administration says 4-in-10 members of its workforce, including screeners, remain unvaccinated against Covid-19 as its deadline looms.

The deadline for civilian federal government workers to be fully vaccinated is November 22 -- the Monday before Thanksgiving, one of the busiest travel times of the year.

"We have about 60% of our workforce has been vaccinated, that that number needs to go quite a bit higher over the next few weeks," TSA Administrator David Pekoske told CNN in an exclusive interview.

The November 22 deadline for being fully vaccinated is still six weeks away, but the deadlines for receiving the vaccines are rapidly approaching or, in the case of the Moderna vaccine, have already passed, since an individual has to receive the full schedule of doses and wait two weeks before being considered fully vaccinated.

[PilotMan]

TSA ain't exactly pulling from the top deck of the employment pool.

[Edward64]

3 hour battle royale - Rogan vs Gupta

Nice write up. Have to look up if Rogan had his own post mortem.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/13/healt...nce/index.html

[Ksyrup]

So my wife just read me a story about a 10 year old Texas kid who developed a rare condition after contracting Covid that restricted the ability of his heart to pump enough blood to support his extremities, resulting in him developing gangrene in his legs. Doctors told his mom that if they amputated his arms/legs, he had a 25% chance of survival, but no chance of survival if they didn't amputate. The mom decided to "let him go" rather than amputate.

Like... that's a choice?! That sounds like something you'd be given the option of regarding a pet, not a human. I'm not trying to downplay the quality of life issues a quadriplegic 10 year old would have growing up and living in that condition, but holy hell! I didn't realize that was even an option. I hope there is more to the story, because keeping your kid alive as an otherwise alert and functional human who just happens to not have limbs would certainly be preferable to letting him die. The mom apparently couched in "the most humane and compassionate thing for him" but I can't help but be a little judgmental here. Again, maybe there's more to the story but that just comes off as more of a "I don't want the burden of care" or "he won't be able to grow up as I imagined he would" decision.

[bronconick]

Wonder if it's the same condition as this one in West Michigan

11-year-old with ‘uplifting spirit’ recovers from quadruple amputation due to COVID-19 linked syndrome - mlive.com

[JPhillips]

The in-game performance of professional soccer players who had a recent COVID-19 infection, drops by 6%.

Performance is still 5% lower 6 months later with notable negative spillovers on team performance.

Cool paper by @schmal_w & @jjreade:https://t.co/JY6bJaVryq pic.twitter.com/cHBQsxkbIO

— Florian Ederer (@florianederer) October 14, 2021

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by KSyrup

Like... that's a choice?! That sounds like something you'd be given the option of regarding a pet, not a human. I'm not trying to downplay the quality of life issues a quadriplegic 10 year old would have growing up and living in that condition, but holy hell! I didn't realize that was even an option. I hope there is more to the story, because keeping your kid alive as an otherwise alert and functional human who just happens to not have limbs would certainly be preferable to letting him die. The mom apparently couched in "the most humane and compassionate thing for him" but I can't help but be a little judgmental here. Again, maybe there's more to the story but that just comes off as more of a "I don't want the burden of care" or "he won't be able to grow up as I imagined he would" decision.

This times infinity. I'm with you all the way on this, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

So my wife just read me a story about a 10 year old Texas kid who developed a rare condition after contracting Covid that restricted the ability of his heart to pump enough blood to support his extremities, resulting in him developing gangrene in his legs. Doctors told his mom that if they amputated his arms/legs, he had a 25% chance of survival, but no chance of survival if they didn't amputate. The mom decided to "let him go" rather than amputate.

Like... that's a choice?! That sounds like something you'd be given the option of regarding a pet, not a human. I'm not trying to downplay the quality of life issues a quadriplegic 10 year old would have growing up and living in that condition, but holy hell! I didn't realize that was even an option. I hope there is more to the story, because keeping your kid alive as an otherwise alert and functional human who just happens to not have limbs would certainly be preferable to letting him die. The mom apparently couched in "the most humane and compassionate thing for him" but I can't help but be a little judgmental here. Again, maybe there's more to the story but that just comes off as more of a "I don't want the burden of care" or "he won't be able to grow up as I imagined he would" decision.

There's got to be more to this story (e.g. maybe vegetative state). I don't see how this can be legal if otherwise.

[Atocep]

I guess this is where we're at in some areas.

Florida School: Vaxxed Kids Must Stay Home for 30 Days After Each Dose

[sterlingice]

When the aliens eventually get here, I wonder what they'll think. Will it be "sigh, we've seen this play out on so many worlds with so many undeveloped civilizations" or "dear god, what was with these hu-mans".

SI

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by Atocep

I guess this is where we're at in some areas.

Florida School: Vaxxed Kids Must Stay Home for 30 Days After Each Dose

The school has a history of anti vax positions.

Parent speaks out after pulling child from Centner Academy

[albionmoonlight]

It's pants-shittingly stupid. But as a private school, they should pretty much be able to do what they want, IMO.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

It's pants-shittingly stupid. But as a private school, they should pretty much be able to do what they want, IMO.

It's a bit off topic, but you're statement begs the question, since homeschooling is accepted and allowed, are you ok with parents teaching whatever they want? Even if it's nothing?

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

It's pants-shittingly stupid. But as a private school, they should pretty much be able to do what they want, IMO.

If they were truly a private school I'd agree. However, they took nearly a million dollars in covid funds and receive state funds through scholarships. They can go fuck themselves.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Atocep

If they were truly a private school I'd agree. However, they took nearly a million dollars in covid funds and receive state funds through scholarships. They can go fuck themselves.

Yeah, our definition of "private school" seems to have changed a lot. Now it's just a school that relies on public funds but can do whatever they want to turn a profit.

[Lathum]

Nick Rolovich worked his whole life to be head coach of a major program, even if it is Wazzou, and he just got let go because he refused to be vaccinated. Unreal.

[Atocep]

Moving my comment from the CFB thread to here since it probably fits this thread a bit better.

As funny as it is that it's happening to Wazzu, it's probably the best thing that could have happened to them. Dude's a Q-Supporting weirdo.

[albionmoonlight]

Individual instances of people quitting jobs over vaccine mandates is going to get a lot of media attention b/c it is strong clickbait. (In fairness to this story, though, a D1 coach doing it is pretty newsworthy).

But don't let that attention obscure the fact that the mandates are working. People are getting the shot instead of getting fired.

Vaccine mandates are working, with vaccination rates topping 90% : NPR

We are talking 99%+ in some instances.

The vaccine protestors are the loudest. But most of us just want to go to work.

[HomerSimpson98]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Nick Rolovich worked his whole life to be head coach of a major program, even if it is Wazzou, and he just got let go because he refused to be vaccinated. Unreal.

$3million per year!!!! Unreal is right.

[damnMikeBrown]

Originally Posted by HomerSimpson98

$3million per year!!!! Unreal is right.

I’m guessing he likely doesn’t embrace analytics

[molson]

There's a lot of things much less helpful than a COVID vaccine I would inject for $3 million a year.

[PilotMan]

No kidding, what a fucking dumbass.

[Kodos]

Lotta highly-paid coaches losing their jobs due to stupidity recently. Can Urban be far behind?

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by Kodos

Lotta highly-paid coaches losing their jobs due to stupidity recently. Can Urban be far behind?

I think Urban *really* wants to go back to CFB where he can be a dictator and not have all these team owners telling him what he can and can't do.

But he's also not going to resign and lose that money.

A negotiated settlement with the Jags in the offseason seems like a win/win for everyone.

[Kodos]

I wish everyone would just agree to a "No More Urban" pact.

[RainMaker]

Seems like a nice way to get out of a bad contract. Power 5 gigs don't grow on trees.

[Brian Swartz]

There's a lot of things I wouldn't do for $3 million. I think the allure of that money is overrated. People who are driven enough run a college football program are probably not doing it only for the money. What that job requires mandates a certain kind of person, and it's certainly clear that arrogance and stubbornness often go along for the ride. They may even be assets to a degree. Nothing about this surprises me.

[JPhillips]

They keep needing a stronger hit of anti-vax conspiracy. It's like a drug when the user develops a tolerance.

"They're putting eggs in people's bodies."

End Times conspiracy theorist Rick Wiles claims that COVID-19 vaccines contain "an egg that hatches into a synthetic parasite and grows inside your body." pic.twitter.com/mOUHaztXT0

— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) October 20, 2021