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Great - above my expectations | 18 | 6.87% | |
Good - met most of my expectations | 66 | 25.19% | |
Average - so so, disappointed a little | 64 | 24.43% | |
Bad - sold us out | 101 | 38.55% | |
Trout - don't know yet | 13 | 4.96% | |
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04-01-2010, 11:07 PM | #9151 |
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In the grand scheme of things for this country, it really is. It will make for a couple of really bad years for a lot of people but in the end it would be for the best. SI
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04-02-2010, 07:48 AM | #9152 |
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Numbers are in for jobs. There were jobs added, though fewer than was forecast. Unemployment rate and underemployment rates both remained basically unchanged.
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04-02-2010, 09:15 AM | #9153 | |||
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Didn't you recently suggest in this thread that this health care bill would be a big deal in the 2010 and 2012 elections? As opposed to, say, the economy & jobs? Quote:
We've been at $3 before, so it's not as big news. If it makes you feel better, NPR did a story on it recently, and they are, of course, a bastion of liberal bias. |
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04-02-2010, 09:38 AM | #9154 | |
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Absolutely and I'd still say it is a big deal to many people. But I never said 'as opposed to' the economy and jobs. The health care issue will be a blip on the radar if the economy and jobs don't improve. That affects everyone regardless of class. |
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04-02-2010, 10:22 AM | #9155 | ||
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Oh look - the jobs are improving - albeit more slowly than everyone would like (obviously). Quote:
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04-02-2010, 10:32 AM | #9156 |
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04-02-2010, 10:59 AM | #9158 | |
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nope i didn't. been busy. or rather i saw that you posted a link to something, didn't have a chance to check out the substance of it.
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04-06-2010, 09:32 AM | #9159 | |
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Another nice piece on the GOP from David Frum's blog. This is long time Republican Chris Currey.
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04-06-2010, 09:36 AM | #9160 | |
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I wouldn't particularly disagree with the basic contention that Currey & I don't really belong in the same party. But much of the party he describes nostalgically isn't one I ever supported either. Perhaps his party of old has left the building in much the same way as the Democrats abandoned anything I could support. Political evolution maybe {shrug}.
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04-06-2010, 01:57 PM | #9161 | |
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I really like this quote and think is is appropriate:
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04-06-2010, 03:15 PM | #9162 |
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I'd be interested to see a comparison of Democratic standards over the decades like he did for the Reps in this piece.
I'm betting the Dems haven't changed nearly as much or as pathetically. |
04-06-2010, 03:34 PM | #9163 | |
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There's pretty much nothing recognizable left in the Dem party I was once associated with, or at least nothing of any particular value.
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04-06-2010, 03:35 PM | #9164 | |
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You've obviously never heard of a Dixiecrat.
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04-06-2010, 03:38 PM | #9165 | |
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It's interesting to go to Wikipedia and look at the list of governors for southern states like Mississippi and Alabama during the 50s and 60s... (hint: they were all Democrats)
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04-06-2010, 03:48 PM | #9166 | |
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Give your age, I have to ask if the Democratic party with which you once associated was the party of Carter, Mondale & Dukakis? Because if so you've changed more than the Democratic party has (and I think the Democratic party has changed plenty in the past 50 years). |
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04-06-2010, 03:49 PM | #9167 | |
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If I remember correctly, it was the Democrats that were against the abolition of slavery and segregation.
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04-06-2010, 03:57 PM | #9168 |
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Yes, the democrats of the civil war if I remember more or less moved to republican and the dems became the Republicans.
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04-06-2010, 04:03 PM | #9169 | |
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I dunno. Talk to my parents, who are on the bobo side of the yuppie-bobo divide. She talked about how her gen was a little miffed at how Gen X turned out- after they fought for women's rights, racial equality, and an end to war, nothing substantially liberal has really happened in the last 30 or 40 years despite having control for a decent amount of the time. SI
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04-06-2010, 05:24 PM | #9170 | |
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Somewhere along the way many of them decided that complaining about things was way easier than changing anything. |
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04-07-2010, 10:01 AM | #9171 | |
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Gen X's attitudes are more based on what their parents did during the 80s and 90s than what they did in the 60s and 70s. |
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04-07-2010, 10:56 AM | #9172 |
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Research shows that voting patterns are largely determined by the feelings for the president when the person was growing up. Negative feelings for Carter and positive feelings for Reagan built a solid foundation for Bush2. Likewise, if the economy turns around the combination of negative feelings for Bush2 and positive feelings for Obama will make a good foundation for Dem X twenty years from now.
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04-09-2010, 08:14 AM | #9173 |
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So Stupak serves us this shit sandwich of a health bill and then decides it's going to be too tough of a reelection race and decides to retire? Thanks for nothing, you moron. Must be tough making that decision while collecting your pension and full health care coverage.
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04-09-2010, 08:23 AM | #9174 |
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Stupak is a fuckwad
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04-09-2010, 09:38 AM | #9175 |
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CNN nor Fox have posted it online yet but ajc.com "breaking news" headline on the website says Justice Stevens is retiring.
Kind of saw that coming I guess, figured I'd throw it in here anyway.
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04-09-2010, 09:44 AM | #9176 |
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I doubt Ginsburg will stay through 2012, so we could likely have two confirmation battles coming up.
It will be interesting to see if the GOP would be willing to filibuster a SCOTUS nominee.
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04-09-2010, 09:49 AM | #9177 | |
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There's zero chance of that happening because they are philosophically opposed to filibustering judicial nominees.
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04-09-2010, 09:50 AM | #9178 | |
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04-09-2010, 10:29 AM | #9179 | ||
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04-12-2010, 10:32 PM | #9180 | |
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Except didn't all the polls show he was quite likely to win in November? SI
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04-12-2010, 11:32 PM | #9181 |
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I'm quite liberal and really dislike a lot of what the Tea Party has done, but I really hate how legitimate (or, at least, semi-legitimate) publications, journalists, and TV personalities continue to call them teabaggers.
It was a little funny the first time we all heard it, even though most folks had probably already come up with it on their own, but after a year + it has gotten stale. It is similar to how conservatives seem to get off on calling the Democractic Party the "Democrat Party." |
04-13-2010, 07:48 AM | #9182 | |
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I don't know about quite likely. He was elected in a district that was 53% for Obama. We also didn't have a change to judge a long-range effect of the health care bill and his decision to switch sides on his popularity. He was facing some heavy backlash both publicly and nationally. And while he wouldn't admit it, his wife all but came out and said that the efforts of the Tea Party movement (for better or worse) played a major role in his decision not to run for reelection. We'll obviously never know for sure, but he faced an uphill climb to say the least. |
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04-13-2010, 07:56 AM | #9183 | |
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what does "all but came out and said" mean to you? i haven't been following this at all, but i'm curious...
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04-13-2010, 08:07 AM | #9184 |
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Missed this last week amidst one thing or another
http://www.gallup.com/poll/127262/De...ecord-Low.aspx PRINCETON, NJ -- Americans' favorable rating of the Democratic Party dropped to 41% in a late March USA Today/Gallup poll, the lowest point in the 18-year history of this measure. Favorable impressions of the Republican Party are now at 42%, thus closing the gap between the two parties' images that has prevailed for the past four years. Gallup last measured party images in late August/early September of last year. At that point, the Democratic Party enjoyed an 11-point favorable image advantage over the Republican Party. Now, the favorable ratings of the two parties are essentially tied. The images of the two major parties have particular significance in a midterm election year. For example, the favorable rating of the Democratic Party exceeded that of the Republican Party by 52% to 37% just prior to the 2006 midterm elections, in which the Democrats gained 31 House seats. Americans' current 41% favorable rating of the Democratic Party is five points lower than the party's previous low, recorded twice in 2005. For those around here who like the whole "independent voters" thing, I'll note that one year ago Ind. had a 47 favorable for D's & 33 favorable for R's. This March? 30 for the D's and 37 for the R's. R favorable for D's? Down from 11 to 8. D favorable for R's? Pretty much steady between 12-15 since May '09.
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04-13-2010, 08:09 AM | #9185 | ||
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FYI - if nothing else, that was a shoddy piece of reporting by Gallup. The margin-of-error should have been up there in the body of the piece, not buried halfway down the page. Quote:
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04-13-2010, 08:10 AM | #9186 |
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or "quite likely" which should go in the file with "vast" in the MBBF dictionary and "uphill climb" with numbers that show the opposite to be true. Its like he's the anti-nostradamus.
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04-13-2010, 08:10 AM | #9187 |
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Yep. Meaning that the gap could be as much as 9 points in favor of the poor, but only, hope we've got.
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04-13-2010, 08:12 AM | #9188 | |
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You say that, I say 7 points the other way. *shrug*
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04-13-2010, 08:20 AM | #9189 | |
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Y'know, you really aren't telling me anything, there's not any new "I", I wrote stories like that for years. And yes, I looked for the margin of error in the body but at the same time it isn't uncommon for it to be absent from the body text of the results listing, it's included in the Survey Methods section of this poll same as it is on every other Gallup poll release. This was straight from Gallup, not from wire copy, which is where you typically find the margin of error included in the body text. Why? Because the link I saw referencing it sent me to Gallup's site not to a news article. If it had been the other way around then it would likely have shown up when I posted it.
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04-13-2010, 08:26 AM | #9190 | |
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Oh no - I wasn't trying to accuse you of shoddy reporting. I was saying that the writeup (which admittedly was on Gallup's site and not a wire-service site) was poor because it buried the margin-of-error. But maybe that's how Gallup's site always does things...I don't know.
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Something like this........ Stupak Retires, Hints At Successor | TPMDC Quote:
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Good to see your back. I missed these personal insults with no rebuttal related to the actual discussion. |
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04-13-2010, 08:41 AM | #9192 |
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I don't quite read that as "all but came out and said" MBBF.
That's also not something that we should be encouraging as part of our civilized political discourse (the personal harassment of Congressmen's families), as much as Tea Party folks seem to be embracing it. It makes us seem like some war-torn Central African nation.
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04-13-2010, 08:46 AM | #9193 | |
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Which is exactly why I noted 'for better or worse' in the original thread. I never endorsed the behavior. When your wife calls out political pressure from the opposition in your retirement speech but doesn't allow that opposition to have the satisfaction of knowing that their efforts broke down that individual, that's the definition of 'all but came out and said'. |
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04-13-2010, 08:59 AM | #9194 | |
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Ahem ... whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. If that means going after their support structure as well then so be it.
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04-13-2010, 09:05 AM | #9195 | |
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You know - ideologically i figured you would say that, but as an avowed family man I would have thought you'd be against such tactics. So I take it you were okay with those Tea Partiers who almost blew up the brother+family of that Congressman by fucking with his gas line? You really have no shame. I know...I know...big surprise. I should know this by now. Thought there might be a shred of humanity left somewhere down in there though.
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04-13-2010, 09:07 AM | #9196 | |
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While realizing where you usually stand in regards to this discussion, I do agree that government needs a major kick in the pants right now. There's a shocking amount of stupidity on both sides of the aisle right now and I think that Congress needs a major clean-out at this point. I don't approve of some of the methods, but I continue to be floored at the number of Congress members who act surprised at the outrage coming from both sides. People are pissed off right now. |
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04-13-2010, 09:10 AM | #9197 | |
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Felt like pointing out your spin....again. It isnt about rebutting. When you make a statement citing a statistic or fact, and it isnt so, then there isnt much to rebut other than to point out the spin.
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04-13-2010, 09:13 AM | #9198 | |
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That depends ... who was the Congressman? More importantly (although it isn't nearly as good as a one-liner), what was the brother's role in the Congressman's life & what were his (this brother) positions on the various key issues?
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Except that there wasn't any spin. But still, nice to have you back. |
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Right, you dont even know when you spin anymore.
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