2007 NBA Draft/Offseason Thread - Page 18

Sublime 2 · 07-30-2007, 03:13 PM

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wtf. how can anyone think this? he's 5-10, can't shoot and is an asshat. he's managed to be 3rd string on Portland and then even worse, 3rd string on a Celtic team devoid of any talent at all at the position.

Hey, I never said he was Nash 2.0, and there are a lot of ppl who still see talent in Telfair. The beginning of his Celtic career he looked good, then lost all confidence and crashed. He's certainly no sharp shooting pg, but there are plenty of successful pg's who can't shoot...see Rondo. He did well when he didn't try to score, but was driving and dishing. lol In no way was I saying he's a dealbreaker...this whole time Ainge and co. have been talking him up just to unload him and I'll be glad to see him go, but I would like to see him succeed. I think he is another of the unfairly hyped NYC ballers.

larrymcg421 · 07-30-2007, 04:32 PM

Wow, I really don't want to give up Jefferson, especially with all the extra stuff they're giving up.

mckerney · 07-30-2007, 04:47 PM

And I am disappointed in not getting Rondo, as the Wolves still need a point guard.

bulletsponge · 07-30-2007, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mckerney

And I am disappointed in not getting Rondo, as the Wolves still need a point guard.

arnt you getting Telfair???

MikeVic · 07-30-2007, 05:05 PM

Under the sea, under the sea! Something something something something, under the sea!

JeeberD · 07-30-2007, 05:45 PM

Yay, he's not going anywhere in the West!

Izulde · 07-30-2007, 07:10 PM

Yes!!!!

Garnett in a C's uniform makes me super super happy!!!

Even better that the Wolves basically got hosed in the deal imo.

Joe · 07-30-2007, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Izulde

Even better that the Wolves basically got hosed in the deal imo.

Not really.

mckerney · 07-30-2007, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by bulletsponge

arnt you getting Telfair???

Well, he probably is better than Troy Hudson or Marco Jaric, and more of a point guard than Foye.

Oh fuck, he could be the best point guard the Wolves have.

Some good news from the trade is that with the Wolves first round pick being top 5 protected next year, there's almost no chance that they'll be giving up their pick next year.

miami_fan · 07-30-2007, 07:57 PM

Is the deal done?

If the Wolves get Jefferson, Green, Gomes, Ratliff's contract and two 1st rounders, I think McHale did a very good job. A helluva lot better that I ever thought possible as long as McHale was GM.

I guess it's okay for him to take Telfair also

Groundhog · 07-30-2007, 08:05 PM

I don't mind this trade for either team really, but Boston are the clear winners at this point.

I actually quite like how they've handled things this offseason, even if I don't admire how they went about it. They tanked for Oden or Durant, got neither, and decided that the only way they were going to win games and take advantage of Paul Pierce while he's still in his prime is to win now, so they packaged off a couple of young assets for 2 proven all-stars, and instantly should become a contender in the East - perhaps the entire NBA if it all comes together.

Sure, Al Jeff showed a lot last season, but he's still not nearly at KG's level, and most probably never will be. Neither KG, Allen, or Pierce are "past their prime", and all have at least 3 years of high level play left in them, perhaps more for Garnett.

As for the Wolves, well, they needed to rebuild, and this gives them lots of assets. They find themselves in a similar position to the Celtics over the past couple of seasons (not surprising, considering just about every player on their roster has worn Green at some point in his career). With a better GM at the helm they'd have the pieces to get something done over the next couple of offseasons.

Sublime 2 · 07-30-2007, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

I don't mind this trade for either team really, but Boston are the clear winners at this point.

I actually quite like how they've handled things this offseason, even if I don't admire how they went about it. They tanked for Oden or Durant, got neither, and decided that the only way they were going to win games and take advantage of Paul Pierce while he's still in his prime is to win now, so they packaged off a couple of young assets for 2 proven all-stars, and instantly should become a contender in the East - perhaps the entire NBA if it all comes together.

Sure, Al Jeff showed a lot last season, but he's still not nearly at KG's level, and most probably never will be. Neither KG, Allen, or Pierce are "past their prime", and all have at least 3 years of high level play left in them, perhaps more for Garnett.

As for the Wolves, well, they needed to rebuild, and this gives them lots of assets. They find themselves in a similar position to the Celtics over the past couple of seasons (not surprising, considering just about every player on their roster has worn Green at some point in his career). With a better GM at the helm they'd have the pieces to get something done over the next couple of offseasons.

An absolutely perfect summary!

rkmsuf · 07-31-2007, 08:35 AM

How long before McHale is named Assitant to Danny Ainge's travelling secretary in Boston?

Who knew he was still a Celtic at heart!!!!!!!!

Ryche · 07-31-2007, 11:57 AM

I'm all for this trade as a mild Timberwolves fan. They were basically stuck in mediocrity at best if they didn't move Garnett this year. Now they'll probably be flat out bad, but with Jefferson, Randy Foye and Corey Brewer, along with a few other young players they have, a lot of salary room for the future and a probable high draft pick in the 2008 draft, at least there is reason for optimism in the future.

Now that he's dealt Garnett, McHale can step aside and let someone else, probably Fred Hoiberg, take over rebuilding the team.

rkmsuf · 07-31-2007, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryche

I'm all for this trade as a mild Timberwolves fan. They were basically stuck in mediocrity at best if they didn't move Garnett this year. Now they'll probably be flat out bad, but with Jefferson, Randy Foye and Corey Brewer, along with a few other young players they have, a lot of salary room for the future and a probable high draft pick in the 2008 draft, at least there is reason for optimism in the future.

Now that he's dealt Garnett, McHale can step aside and let someone else, probably Fred Hoiberg, take over rebuilding the team.

Don't forget the veteran leadership of Ricky Davis and Mark Blount.

Ryche · 07-31-2007, 12:44 PM

Ricky Avis (he plays no D) can score 40 a night now. Right. Actually, I think that McHale has had a deal lined up for him contingent on Garnett being traded. He definitely needs to be gone. Blount isn't actually so bad, at least as long as you don't expect any rebounding from him. But Jefferson and Craig Smith can make up for the rebounding.

Sublime 2 · 07-31-2007, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryche

Ricky Avis (he plays no D) can score 40 a night now. Right. Actually, I think that McHale has had a deal lined up for him contingent on Garnett being traded. He definitely needs to be gone. Blount isn't actually so bad, at least as long as you don't expect any rebounding from him. But Jefferson and Craig Smith can make up for the rebounding.

Be prepared for Jefferson to knock Blount out during practice.

mckerney · 07-31-2007, 02:25 PM

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Be prepared for Jefferson to knock Blount out during practice.

That would be awesome.

MikeVic · 08-01-2007, 10:11 AM

So this Jefferson guy in the trade... I didn't pay any attention to him last year, but is he really THAT good? Simmons called him the best young low post player in the league in his latest column.

rkmsuf · 08-01-2007, 10:25 AM

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So this Jefferson guy in the trade... I didn't pay any attention to him last year, but is he really THAT good? Simmons called him the best young low post player in the league in his latest column.

He doesn't play a lot of defense and has shown zero ability to pass out of the post. Huge black hole last year. Maybe he was told to play that way...don't know.

He has a ways to go for sure but has potential. Minnesota will have to make a big call on him soon since his rookie deal will be up.

MikeVic · 08-01-2007, 10:46 AM

Hey, did you hear that Garnett got traded to Boston?

miami_fan · 08-01-2007, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

So this Jefferson guy in the trade... I didn't pay any attention to him last year, but is he really THAT good? Simmons called him the best young low post player in the league in his latest column.

Last I checked Dwight Howard plays in the post, so we can throw out the "best young low post player in the league." comment I think Jefferson is a nice player. He has the potential (dangerous word I know) to be a very good player in this league. He averaged a double double last year and made a similar type of jump that Jermaine O'Neal made when he began to get playing time. Is he KG? No! Will he be KG? No! But remember this. C's fans desparately wanted to keep Jefferson earlier this offseason UNLESS he was the guy they had to trade to get KG.

Groundhog · 08-01-2007, 05:33 PM

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He doesn't play a lot of defense and has shown zero ability to pass out of the post. Huge black hole last year. Maybe he was told to play that way...don't know.

He has a ways to go for sure but has potential. Minnesota will have to make a big call on him soon since his rookie deal will be up.

To be fair, I think he had to be a black hole without Pierce on the court. The biggest question mark on AlJeff will be whether he can stay healthy or not. So far, the jury is out on that one.

I only saw a couple of Celtics games last year, but I quite like what I saw from AlJeff offensively. He had a nice little jump hook from the high post, and can back his man in using his strength. Definately agree about the defense side of his game though... needs some work. I believe it was a Denver-Boston game I caught, and either Eduardo Najera or Linas Kleiza took him to school a few times IIRC.

Sublime 2 · 08-01-2007, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

Last I checked Dwight Howard plays in the post, so we can throw out the "best young low post player in the league." comment I think Jefferson is a nice player. He has the potential (dangerous word I know) to be a very good player in this league. He averaged a double double last year and made a similar type of jump that Jermaine O'Neal made when he began to get playing time. Is he KG? No! Will he be KG? No! But remember this. C's fans desparately wanted to keep Jefferson earlier this offseason UNLESS he was the guy they had to trade to get KG.

I think Simmons was referring to Jefferson's offense post game, not overall post player. Howard is by far better defensively and athletically, but I agree that Jefferson has better post moves right now. Dwight can certainly pick that up though, Jefferson is going to have trouble becoming 3/4 of the defense player Howard is however.

Groundhog · 08-01-2007, 06:43 PM

Celtics pick up Eddie House for 1.5m/1. Nice pickup this one IMO. He doesn't really give them what they need most, but they dumped Allan Ray - a homeless-man's Eddie House - and replaced him with the real thing, and he straight away addresses some of the depth they lost in that trade.

DaddyTorgo · 08-01-2007, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

Celtics pick up Eddie House for 1.5m/1. Nice pickup this one IMO. He doesn't really give them what they need most, but they dumped Allan Ray - a homeless-man's Eddie House - and replaced him with the real thing, and he straight away addresses some of the depth they lost in that trade.

nice pickup for depth purposes yes. And veteran depth at that.

the thing that encourages me (if it's true and not BS) is the article in the herald (hey I read it at lunch...it was on the table, didn't hafta buy it) where it was talking about how since the announcement of KG coming to town the C's have actually been taking incoming calls from FA vets and agents who WANT to play in Boston.

hell of a turn-around if it's true

Groundhog · 08-01-2007, 06:48 PM

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nice pickup for depth purposes yes. And veteran depth at that.

the thing that encourages me (if it's true and not BS) is the article in the herald (hey I read it at lunch...it was on the table, didn't hafta buy it) where it was talking about how since the announcement of KG coming to town the C's have actually been taking incoming calls from FA vets and agents who WANT to play in Boston.

hell of a turn-around if it's true

Brevin Knight and PJ Brown should be their targets IMO. Both are the ideal role players for this roster.

Sublime 2 · 08-01-2007, 06:55 PM

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Brevin Knight and PJ Brown should be their targets IMO. Both are the ideal role players for this roster.

Been talking to Deke Mutumbo as well.

Sublime 2 · 08-01-2007, 06:57 PM

dola

The C's also added former ACC defensive player of the year Jackie Manuel. He was in the D-League last year, but seems like an okay pickup for defensive purposes.

Groundhog · 08-01-2007, 07:01 PM

Mutumbo is still alive?!

Manuel could be a nice pickup. His best shot of sticking in the league is as a defensive specialist, and the only teams that need players like that are winning teams. Could be a good opportunity for him.

Atocep · 08-03-2007, 07:19 PM

Elton Brand ruptured his achilles today during a workout. I'm guessing this puts him out for the year? Not too familiar with the injury, but I know its pretty bad.

Karlifornia · 08-03-2007, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

Elton Brand ruptured his achilles today during a workout. I'm guessing this puts him out for the year? Not too familiar with the injury, but I know its pretty bad.

And the Clippers are fucked yet again.

Eaglesfan27 · 08-03-2007, 07:26 PM

Yeah, I'm sure that puts Brand out for the year. One of my favorite players, too.

Logan · 08-03-2007, 07:34 PM

There are so many assholes in sports...it sucks when bad shit happens to one of the seemingly good ones.

Chief Rum · 08-03-2007, 10:59 PM

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And the Clippers are fucked yet again.

stevew · 08-03-2007, 11:32 PM

Clippers looking good in preseason.

Chief Rum · 08-04-2007, 12:27 AM

Even without Brand, they could get the five seed in the East. Too bad we're not in the East.

Boy, looks like Thornton is going to get a crash course. He just went from backup forward to starting power forward.

Look, I'm not going to gloss over this and say we're not screwed, because we are, especially in the West and without Livingston, too. But we'll still be dangerous if Kaman steps up the his game a bit offensively (he'll have the low block to himself now, for what good that's worth) and we get better health from the rest of the roster.

The lineup now projects to Cassell/Mobley/Maggette/Thornton or Thomas/Kaman. We still need to find coverage for Cassell, and we'll need to add a decent forward to the mix to help Maggette, Thornton and Thomas, but if we do that, we won't be an easy out for anyone short of the top three in the west.

Still, we were a struggle to make the playoffs anyway in the West, and now we're more likely to be with the Wolves and Grizz then we are the Nuggets, Lakers and Warriors.

Actually, I have an immediate suggestion. Sign Matt Barnes. And trade for a decent backup point guard.

Groundhog · 08-09-2007, 11:50 PM

Some choice quotes from Kevin McHale on Garnett:

"Kevin is such a gifted player. He rebounds like he's 8 feet tall. But he plays offense like he's 6-4"

"Kevin was always more of a finesse guy. When he came into the league, he was so slender. Al's a different type of player. But, for me, I like the way he roots around in the post and stays int he paint. I like the game being played in the paint. For me, I'd take a hundred shots in the paint. I wouldn't take a jump shot the whole game. But that's just me."

He could have just summed his thoughts up in 3 slightly less subtle words: "Garnett is soft". I'm sure that'll help keep fans confidence high as Garnett and the Celtics compete for the championship while the Timberwolves hope the lottery balls bounce the right way in 2008. At least Jefferson doesn't float around the perimeter while averaging a measley 22pts 13rebs a game, right?

Not saying that I think the trade was a particularily bad one for the Wolves all things considered, but McHale just comes across as a complete ass.

stevew · 08-10-2007, 12:00 AM

Cavs still have made no moves this offseason. Other than tendering qualifying offers, anyways.

TazFTW · 08-10-2007, 12:06 AM

Heat signed Penny Hardaway.

BLUE CHIPS 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Groundhog · 08-10-2007, 12:07 AM

Alonzo Mourning. Shaquille O'Neal. Gary Payton. Anfernee Hardaway. I tell ya what, the Miami Heat would have been an awesome team back in 1995.

mckerney · 08-10-2007, 12:34 AM

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Not saying that I think the trade was a particularily bad one for the Wolves all things considered, but McHale just comes across as a complete ass.

He comes off as a complete ass an awful lot; with recent statements that seem to put all the blame for the Wolves playoff failures on Saunders coaching instead of the team that he'd put together, firing Dwayne Casey saying he was the reason the team was inconsistent when they were 20-20 and then hiring a country club guy and giving him an extension after finishing the season 12-30 and talking about how he'd struggled after taking over because some of the players were inconsistent.

I really can't wait for this team to get rid of McHale, Wittman, Ricky Avis, and Marco Jaric.

Sublime 2 · 08-10-2007, 08:17 AM

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I really can't wait for this team to get rid of McHale, Wittman, Ricky Avis, and Marco Jaric.

I'm praying you just forgot to add Blount to that list.

MikeVic · 08-10-2007, 09:13 AM

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Alonzo Mourning. Shaquille O'Neal. Gary Payton. Anfernee Hardaway. I tell ya what, the Miami Heat would have been an awesome team back in 1995.

Reggie Miller should come here. And Malone/Stockton should come out of retirement. Maybe Barkley and The Dream too.

mckerney · 08-10-2007, 10:43 AM

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I'm praying you just forgot to add Blount to that list.

He's on the second tier guys I'd like to get rid of, but at least I see some value in him. As a starting center he's abysmal, but even though he's being paid to much I can live with his scoring ability playing 10-15 minutes a night. I don't really like him and would much rather have a center with a more physical presence than one who prefers the 15 foot jumper, but if he stays so be it. Certainly better than bringing someone else from Kevin McHale's Big Man Camp

Groundhog · 08-13-2007, 08:45 PM

Clips sign Brevin Knight, one of my favourite under-rated players, but without Brand it'll take much more than a steady PG to guide this ship to the playoffs.

More interestingly, Warriors waive Foyle. Foyle did not fit the Warriors style of play at all and is pretty limited in what he does, but I imagine it won't take long for someone to pick him up.

Battier and Hinrich withdraw from USA Basketball as well for personal reasons, and USA Basketball is quick to bring in Nick Collison to refill their Kansas alumni quota.

Chief Rum · 08-14-2007, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

Clips sign Brevin Knight, one of my favourite under-rated players, but without Brand it'll take much more than a steady PG to guide this ship to the playoffs.

More interestingly, Warriors waive Foyle. Foyle did not fit the Warriors style of play at all and is pretty limited in what he does, but I imagine it won't take long for someone to pick him up.

Battier and Hinrich withdraw from USA Basketball as well for personal reasons, and USA Basketball is quick to bring in Nick Collison to refill their Kansas alumni quota.

Yeah, we're pretty much snookered for this season. It sucks knowing that three months before tip off.

MikeVic · 08-14-2007, 12:08 PM

So... did the NBA just move to three divisions in a conference, or have I really not paid attention to divisions at all?? I was reading an NBA preview, and the guy had predicted standings for three divisions... that kind of caught me off-guard.

rkmsuf · 08-14-2007, 12:09 PM

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So... did the NBA just move to three divisions in a conference, or have I really not paid attention to divisions at all?? I was reading an NBA preview, and the guy had predicted standings for three divisions... that kind of caught me off-guard.

I think the guy was just pulling your leg.

stevew · 08-14-2007, 08:34 PM

*ahem*

I'd like to take this moment and announce the big Cavs move for the summer.
RIP Reverse Hitler, you will be missed.

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Links: BREAKING NEWS: Drew Gooden’s Ducktail Is Dead

Never has a clean neck looked so good.

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Drew Gooden’s ducktail haircut has spawned millions of blog posts this season. It became a trademark of sorts…a very weird, strange trademark. Drew arrived at training camp this season with the haircut — basically a lone, insolent patch of hair on his neck — and rode it out all season long. It was an homage, he said, to the ’80s, a popular haircut in the Bay Area back in the day.

(One of my favorite moments at the Finals this year came before one of the games when I was talking to Tony Parker and he asked me about Drew’s hair. I explained that it was some sort of homage to the ’80s, and Tony said, “But this is 2007.” Oui, Tony.)

Anyway, I have it on very good authority that the ducktail is now gone, dead, deceased. I heard about it earlier today and then I confirmed it with the man himself. Cavs fans, begin your crying.

The ducktail is dead. Long live the ducktail.

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miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	Is the deal done? If the Wolves get Jefferson, Green, Gomes, Ratliff's contract and two 1st rounders, I think McHale did a very good job. A helluva lot better that I ever thought possible as long as McHale was GM. I guess it's okay for him to take Telfair also __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

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Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	I don't mind this trade for either team really, but Boston are the clear winners at this point. I actually quite like how they've handled things this offseason, even if I don't admire how they went about it. They tanked for Oden or Durant, got neither, and decided that the only way they were going to win games and take advantage of Paul Pierce while he's still in his prime is to win now, so they packaged off a couple of young assets for 2 proven all-stars, and instantly should become a contender in the East - perhaps the entire NBA if it all comes together. Sure, Al Jeff showed a lot last season, but he's still not nearly at KG's level, and most probably never will be. Neither KG, Allen, or Pierce are "past their prime", and all have at least 3 years of high level play left in them, perhaps more for Garnett. As for the Wolves, well, they needed to rebuild, and this gives them lots of assets. They find themselves in a similar position to the Celtics over the past couple of seasons (not surprising, considering just about every player on their roster has worn Green at some point in his career). With a better GM at the helm they'd have the pieces to get something done over the next couple of offseasons. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

07-30-2007, 04:47 PM	#853
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Ryche College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Highlands Ranch, CO, USA	Ricky Avis (he plays no D) can score 40 a night now. Right. Actually, I think that McHale has had a deal lined up for him contingent on Garnett being traded. He definitely needs to be gone. Blount isn't actually so bad, at least as long as you don't expect any rebounding from him. But Jefferson and Craig Smith can make up for the rebounding. __________________ Some knots are better left untied.

08-01-2007, 10:11 AM	#869
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	So this Jefferson guy in the trade... I didn't pay any attention to him last year, but is he really THAT good? Simmons called him the best young low post player in the league in his latest column.

08-01-2007, 10:46 AM	#871
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Hey, did you hear that Garnett got traded to Boston?

08-01-2007, 06:43 PM	#875
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	Celtics pick up Eddie House for 1.5m/1. Nice pickup this one IMO. He doesn't really give them what they need most, but they dumped Allan Ray - a homeless-man's Eddie House - and replaced him with the real thing, and he straight away addresses some of the depth they lost in that trade. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

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Sublime 2 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: New Hampshire	dola The C's also added former ACC defensive player of the year Jackie Manuel. He was in the D-League last year, but seems like an okay pickup for defensive purposes.

08-01-2007, 07:01 PM	#880
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	Mutumbo is still alive?! Manuel could be a nice pickup. His best shot of sticking in the league is as a defensive specialist, and the only teams that need players like that are winning teams. Could be a good opportunity for him. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

08-03-2007, 07:19 PM	#881
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	Elton Brand ruptured his achilles today during a workout. I'm guessing this puts him out for the year? Not too familiar with the injury, but I know its pretty bad.

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08-03-2007, 07:34 PM	#884
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	There are so many assholes in sports...it sucks when bad shit happens to one of the seemingly good ones.

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stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Clippers looking good in preseason.

08-04-2007, 12:27 AM	#887
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Even without Brand, they could get the five seed in the East. Too bad we're not in the East. Boy, looks like Thornton is going to get a crash course. He just went from backup forward to starting power forward. Look, I'm not going to gloss over this and say we're not screwed, because we are, especially in the West and without Livingston, too. But we'll still be dangerous if Kaman steps up the his game a bit offensively (he'll have the low block to himself now, for what good that's worth) and we get better health from the rest of the roster. The lineup now projects to Cassell/Mobley/Maggette/Thornton or Thomas/Kaman. We still need to find coverage for Cassell, and we'll need to add a decent forward to the mix to help Maggette, Thornton and Thomas, but if we do that, we won't be an easy out for anyone short of the top three in the west. Still, we were a struggle to make the playoffs anyway in the West, and now we're more likely to be with the Wolves and Grizz then we are the Nuggets, Lakers and Warriors. Actually, I have an immediate suggestion. Sign Matt Barnes. And trade for a decent backup point guard.

08-09-2007, 11:50 PM	#888
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	Some choice quotes from Kevin McHale on Garnett: "Kevin is such a gifted player. He rebounds like he's 8 feet tall. But he plays offense like he's 6-4" "Kevin was always more of a finesse guy. When he came into the league, he was so slender. Al's a different type of player. But, for me, I like the way he roots around in the post and stays int he paint. I like the game being played in the paint. For me, I'd take a hundred shots in the paint. I wouldn't take a jump shot the whole game. But that's just me." He could have just summed his thoughts up in 3 slightly less subtle words: "Garnett is soft". I'm sure that'll help keep fans confidence high as Garnett and the Celtics compete for the championship while the Timberwolves hope the lottery balls bounce the right way in 2008. At least Jefferson doesn't float around the perimeter while averaging a measley 22pts 13rebs a game, right? Not saying that I think the trade was a particularily bad one for the Wolves all things considered, but McHale just comes across as a complete ass. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

08-10-2007, 12:00 AM	#889
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Cavs still have made no moves this offseason. Other than tendering qualifying offers, anyways.

08-10-2007, 12:06 AM	#890
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	Heat signed Penny Hardaway. BLUE CHIPS 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! __________________ "Teams don't want to make the trip anymore," says Hawaii coach June Jones. "They come here, we kick their ass, they go home." Fire Ron Lee.

08-10-2007, 12:07 AM	#891
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	Alonzo Mourning. Shaquille O'Neal. Gary Payton. Anfernee Hardaway. I tell ya what, the Miami Heat would have been an awesome team back in 1995. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

08-13-2007, 08:45 PM	#896
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	Clips sign Brevin Knight, one of my favourite under-rated players, but without Brand it'll take much more than a steady PG to guide this ship to the playoffs. More interestingly, Warriors waive Foyle. Foyle did not fit the Warriors style of play at all and is pretty limited in what he does, but I imagine it won't take long for someone to pick him up. Battier and Hinrich withdraw from USA Basketball as well for personal reasons, and USA Basketball is quick to bring in Nick Collison to refill their Kansas alumni quota. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

08-14-2007, 12:08 PM	#898
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	So... did the NBA just move to three divisions in a conference, or have I really not paid attention to divisions at all?? I was reading an NBA preview, and the guy had predicted standings for three divisions... that kind of caught me off-guard.

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