OT: The FOFC Music Draft

[adubroff]

Originally Posted by lordscarlet

Nothing personal, of course, NoMyths. I am genuinely curious about the critera we're using for one-hit wonder.

I think it's up to the voters to punish the categorizations rather than the rule. Nobody would have stopped somebody from drafting Nate Robinson as a center.

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by adubroff

I think it's up to the voters to punish the categorizations rather than the rule. Nobody would have stopped somebody from drafting Nate Robinson as a center.

Esp. if we are permitted to "sell" our list before voting begins. You can make a case for one-hit wonders (when they are technically not) because that would be the only hit most can think of. With Imagine, I wanted that song (it's #1 on many lists) so I stretched love songs to mean ballads as well.

[ISiddiqui]

True... though I guess it will be pointed out by the voters that some choices are just horrible and don't fit. And anyway, "God Bless the U.S.A." is probably poorer than a number of one hit wonders left .

[oykib]

Right now, I think lordscarlet is slamming this draft up its ass. All he needs is the money shot.

It's like a fuckin;' coronation is coming up.

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by oykib

Right now, I think lordscarlet is slamming this draft up its ass. All he needs is the money shot.

It's like a fuckin;' coronation is coming up.

Except his Classic and Epic picks pale in comparison to some others and his Trendsetter definitely belongs in One-Hit. Just sayin'.

[st.cronin]

lordscarlet had a hall of fame first half, but his last few picks have been just meh. I still have him in the top group, though.

[Maple Leafs]

Re: one-hit wonders.

It's actually a very tough category to define. Most songs that we think of as one-hit wonders weren't there artist's only hit, especially if you look at artists from other countries or genres.

Wiki has a cool article on this topic:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_hit..._of_definition

[Buccaneer]

I think Subby is the only one that hasn't made a questional pick. The rest of us has to go on our strengths.

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

I think Subby is the only one that hasn't made a questional pick. The rest of us has to go on our strengths.

Lola as a love song is definitely questionable. But I think voters will think of it as the "oh, that's kind of cool" questionable instead of "he's just trying to cheat the system" questionable. It's a fine line but he should be OK.

I'd argue a bit with Madonna being a trendsetter only because I have a tough time thinking of much good music that followed her trend, other than her own. I guess female pop singers being skanks was a trend, and if so then may god bless her.

[st.cronin]

I'm not a fan of Subby's list, at all, including his first round pick.

[lordscarlet]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Except his Classic and Epic picks pale in comparison to some others and his Trendsetter definitely belongs in One-Hit. Just sayin'.

Now that is some campaigning!

Originally Posted by st.cronin

lordscarlet had a hall of fame first half

Originally Posted by st.cronin

but his last few picks have been just meh.

I knew Epic and Classic would run up a lot of good choices early. I decided to take things that were as strong as I could in shallow categories early. I hope the strategy works, and I think it has so far. I think my Epic and Classic picks are solid, but may not play as well to the voters as some other picks. I'm willing to accept that because I think they are quality picks. There are definitely some good lineups out there and hopefully I can round out my team with a good finish.

[Buccaneer]

I guess female pop singers being skanks

But there was a better one before that.

Even if voters generally give me low scores on Imagine, I am hoping some of my other picks will make up for it. A team can still win by hitting nothing but 3-run HRs among strikeouts.

[lordscarlet]

Speaking of Subby, where is he? It's his pick. Doesn't he know he should be online at 2 O'Clock on a Saturday afternoon?

[st.cronin]

I think the Madonna pick was the biggest stretch yet.

[ISiddiqui]

I think Maple Leafs is damn solid (Thriller in round 5 helped), but the cover could have been better. He's definately one of the top lists so far, IMO.

[lordscarlet]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

I think Maple Leafs is damn solid (Thriller in round 5 helped), but the cover could have been better. He's definately one of the top lists so far, IMO.

I agree.

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

I think Maple Leafs is damn solid (Thriller in round 5 helped), but the cover could have been better. He's definately one of the top lists so far, IMO.

Even with his lousy cover? Just sayin'.

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

I think Maple Leafs is damn solid (Thriller in round 5 helped), but the cover could have been better. He's definately one of the top lists so far, IMO.

It's becoming clear to me in hindsight that taking Johnny Cash as crossover instead of using Hurt as a cover was an enormous strategical error.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Even with his lousy cover? Just sayin'.

Says the guy with "Imagine" as his love song .

[Maple Leafs]

I do have some picks from Subby but they're a few days old so I'm going to hold off and give him a chance to drop in. No point rushing, especially since I don't have another pick for Lathum at this point.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

It's becoming clear to me in hindsight that taking Johnny Cash as crossover instead of using Hurt as a cover was an enormous strategical error.

Uh, this is like the Houston Texans saying that drafting David Carr was a mistake, they should have taken Joey Harrington.

[Subby]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I'm not a fan of Subby's list, at all, including his first round pick.

Proof positive that I have done a great job

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Subby

Proof positive that I have done a great job

My loins are girded.

[Subby]

Get out your lighters folks. It's Ozzfest time!
Arena Song: Ozzy Osbourne - Mama I'm Coming Home

Sing along with Ozzy now!

Classic - Stairway to Heaven, Led Zeppelin (1-1)
Epic - Freebird, Lynyrd Skynyrd (3-1)
Arena - Ozzy Osbourne, Mama I'm Coming Home (8-10)
Trendsetter - Like a Virgin, Madonna (6-10)
Love Song - Lola, The Kinks (5-1)
One-Hit Wonder -
Party - O.P.P., Naughty By Nature (7-1)
Crossover -
Cover - You Really Got Me, Van Halen (4-10)
Anti-Establishment - Tha Police, N.W.A. (2-10)

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Uh, this is like the Houston Texans saying that drafting David Carr was a mistake, they should have taken Joey Harrington.

No it isn't... especially considering how the lists are going to be judged (by voting). I guess it depends on the relative worths of the crossover and cover songs you have to pick from (and the one you actually do).

[Buccaneer]

Is this going to be a straight up-down vote or will there be scores involved?

[Subby]

You like country. You like it with a rock edge. You like when country guys go a little rock. And you like it when satan gets his ass served in a fiddlin' competition. Here's the best crossover from my youth:

The Charlie Daniels Band - The Devil Went Down to Georgia

Classic - Stairway to Heaven, Led Zeppelin (1-1)
Epic - Freebird, Lynyrd Skynyrd (3-1)
Arena - Ozzy Osbourne, Mama I'm Coming Home (8-10)
Trendsetter - Like a Virgin, Madonna (6-10)
Love Song - Lola, The Kinks (5-1)
One-Hit Wonder -
Party - O.P.P., Naughty By Nature (7-1)
Crossover - The Charlie Daniels Band, The Devil Went Down to Georgia (9-1)
Cover - You Really Got Me, Van Halen (4-10)
Anti-Establishment - Fuck Tha Police, N.W.A. (2-10)

[DolphinFan1]

Originally Posted by Subby

You like country. You like it with a rock edge. You like when country guys go a little rock. And you like it when satan gets his ass served in a fiddlin' competition. Here's the best crossover from my youth:

The Charlie Daniels Band - The Devil Went Down to Georgia

Classic - Stairway to Heaven, Led Zeppelin (1-1)
Epic - Freebird, Lynyrd Skynyrd (3-1)
Arena - Ozzy Osbourne, Mama I'm Coming Home (8-10)
Trendsetter - Like a Virgin, Madonna (6-10)
Love Song - Lola, The Kinks (5-1)
One-Hit Wonder -
Party - O.P.P., Naughty By Nature (7-1)
Crossover - The Charlie Daniels Band, The Devil Went Down to Georgia (9-1)
Cover - You Really Got Me, Van Halen (4-10)
Anti-Establishment - Fuck Tha Police, N.W.A. (2-10)

Now that's good.

[Maple Leafs]

Lathum's pick:

Classic -Foxy Lady- Jimi Hendrix- 3.2
Epic - BaBa O'reilly ( also known as teenage wasteland)- The Who - 2.9
Arena - Iron Man- Black Sabbath- 6.9
Trendsetter - Smells Like Teen Spirit- Nirvana- 1.2
Love Song - At Last- Eda James - 4.9 ( heard at every wedding)
One-Hit Wonder - Four Non Blondes - Whats Going On? - 9.2
Party - One Bourbon, One Scotch, One Beer - George Thorogood - 7.2
Crossover -
Cover - A little help from my friends - Joe Cocker - 8.9
Anti-Establishment -American Idiot-Green Day 5.2

[lordscarlet]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

It's becoming clear to me in hindsight that taking Johnny Cash as crossover instead of using Hurt as a cover was an enormous strategical error.

I was just looking around at covers and came across the "Hurt" video. Good stuff. hxxp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO9dbmJ_2zU&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eretrocrush%2Ecom%2Fcovers%2F1%2D25%2Ehtml

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Uh, this is like the Houston Texans saying that drafting David Carr was a mistake, they should have taken Joey Harrington.

I don't see that at all. You don't think "Hurt" would be a quality cover song?

[ntndeacon]

I like what Oilers has done so far. I don't see a mistep for him so far.

[NoMyths]

Classic - 1.3 - Like a Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan
Epic - 3.3 - The End - The Doors
Arena - 4.8 - Where the Streets Have No Name - U2
Trendsetter - 2.8 - Respect - Aretha Franklin
Love Song - 7.3 - Can't Get Enough of Your Love Babe - Barry White
One-Hit Wonder - 8.8 - God Bless the U.S.A. (I'm Proud To Be An American) - Lee Greenwood
Party -
Crossover - 6.8 - Lose Yourself - Eminem
Cover - 9.3 - Nothing Compares 2 U - Sinead O'Connor
Anti-Establishment - 5.3 - Fortunate Son - Creedence Clearwater Revival

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by lordscarlet

I was just looking around at covers and came across the "Hurt" video. Good stuff. hxxp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO9dbmJ_2zU&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eretrocrush%2Ecom%2Fcovers%2F1%2D25%2Ehtml



I don't see that at all. You don't think "Hurt" would be a quality cover song?

I think "cover song" is far and away the deepest position in the draft.

[Maple Leafs]

Butter_of_69's choice

Classic - Goodbye Yellow Brick Road - Elton John - 9.4
Epic - Bohemian Rhapsody - Queen, 1.4
Arena - Rock and Roll (Part Two) - Gary Glitter, 3.4
Trendsetter - Heart of Glass - Blondie - 8.7
Love Song - My Girl - The Temptations, 6.7
One-Hit Wonder -
Party - Celebration - Kool and the Gang, 5.4
Crossover - Superstition - Stevie Wonder, 4.7
Killing Me Softly - The Fugees - Cover, 7.4
Anti-Establishment - Anarchy in the UK - Sex Pistols, 2.7

[lordscarlet]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I think "cover song" is far and away the deepest position in the draft.

True.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I think "cover song" is far and away the deepest position in the draft.

Perhaps so, but there are plenty of this board who'd make the argument that Cash's "Hurt" is the greatest cover song of all time.

[Maple Leafs]

Classic - 8.6 - What a Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong
Epic - 5.5 - Thriller - Michael Jackson
Arena - 1.7 - Welcome to the Jungle - Guns N' Roses
Trendsetter - 2.4 - Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley
Love Song - 6.6 Unchained Melody - The Righteous Brothers
One-Hit Wonder - 9.5 - 99 Luftballons - Nena
Party - 4.6 - 1999 - Prince
Crossover - 3.5 - Ring of Fire - Johnny Cash
Cover - 7.5 - Burning Down the House - Tom Jones & The Cardigans
Anti-Establishment -

[Buccaneer]

I've been listening to my Epic pick on youtube.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Classic - 8.6 - What a Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong
Epic - 5.5 - Thriller - Michael Jackson
Arena - 1.7 - Welcome to the Jungle - Guns N' Roses
Trendsetter - 2.4 - Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley
Love Song - 6.6 Unchained Melody - The Righteous Brothers
One-Hit Wonder - 9.5 - 99 Luftballons - Nena
Party - 4.6 - 1999 - Prince
Crossover - 3.5 - Ring of Fire - Johnny Cash
Cover - 7.5 - Burning Down the House - Tom Jones & The Cardigans
Anti-Establishment -

Nice pick! Didn't stumble on the one-hit, so I think the list just improves in ranking.

[ntndeacon]

well darn it! now igotta find another one hit wonder.

[lordscarlet]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

well darn it! now igotta find another one hit wonder.

I had it on my short list as well.

[ntndeacon]

Some times I feel like I've got to
Run away I've got to
Get Away!

Classic -
Epic - 2.5 - Another Brick in the Wall — Pink Floyd
Arena - 6.5-Do You Feel Like We Do--Peter Frampton
Trendsetter - 1.6 - Good Vibrations - Beach Boys
Love Song -7.6 - Baby Love--The Supremes
One-Hit Wonder - 9.6--Tainted Love--Soft Cell
Party - 8.5-Shout--The Isley Brothers
Crossover - 4.5-I Can't Stop Loving You--Ray Charles
Cover - 5.6 - Proud Mary--Ike and Tina Turner
Anti-Establishment -3.6-London Calling--The Clash

[ntndeacon]

plus that gives me a chance to have supremes songs on my list twice since it is a medley with Where did my Love go?

[st.cronin]

A grand slam home run by the deacon. Brilliant pick.

[ISiddiqui]

Yeah, plenty of GREAT one hit wonder songs. No reason not to wait until the final few rounds to pick one.

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I think "cover song" is far and away the deepest position in the draft.

I strongly disagree. It's deep in the sense that there are a ton of songs out there that are covers. But I think a really good pick in this category needs to be:

- a song that everyone likes
- a song that everyone knows is a cover (i.e. they know the original too)
- a song that feels different enough from the original that it's not just a copy

The list of songs like that is pretty short. Proud Mary for sure. Hurt, definitely. Knockin on Heaven's Door, I think so. All Along the Watchtower, yes. A handful of others.

I don't think "I Love Rock and Roll", for example, is a great cover, I think of it as a great song that had orignally been recorded by someone else. There's a difference.

Of course, the voters may have their own ideas...

[Surtt]

Strangely, my top picks in 3 categories have not been called.
I get the feeling I would not have scored well if I was playing.

[vtbub]

One Hit Wonder- Walking on Sunshine- Katrina and the Waves- 9.7

[Maple Leafs]

As we head into the final rounds, please check your list and make sure you're going to wind up with two picks with female singers, as per the rules.

[lordscarlet]

I am amazed this song is still on the board. I almost didn't pick it because maybe there's something I'm missing that makes it a bad choice. For the 8th pick of the ninth round I select the One-Hit Wonder "Mickey" by Toni Basil.

Classic - 8.3 - "A Change is Gonna Come", Sam Cooke
Epic - 6.3 - "Space Oddity", David Bowie
Arena - 5.8 - "You Shook Me All Night Long", AC/DC
Trendsetter - 2.3 - "Rapper's Delight", The Sugarhill Gang
Love Song - 7.8 - "Unforgettable" - Natalie Cole with Nat King Cole
One-Hit Wonder - 9.8 - "Mickey", Toni Basil
Party - 4.3 - "(You Gotta) Fight for Your Right (to Party)", Beastie Boys
Crossover - 1.8 - "Walk This Way", Run-D.M.C. feat. Aerosmith
Cover -
Anti-Establishment - 3.8 - "Killing in the Name", Rage Against the Machine